CON BUSTERS! A thread to find a consensus of what Avalonians DO find plausible

[Ultima Thule]

No apologies needed! Openness is something that I am pursuing here - perhaps the thread name "Con busters", that somehow felt intriguing, might be misleading as I am first and foremost looking forward to people presenting what sources of information they have found to work for them - finding them plausible in essence. I am not so much looking forward the busting, but agreed to it, as in cases perhaps that is something that may be of value.

In answer to your post: I am not searching for a complete truth here, I am searching for many, varied facets of truth, that might help people(especially recently awakened ones) to create as complete image as possible and hasten their personal process of discernment as they can relate to what other people have come up with.

Juha

[Simonm]

The only thing I feel sure about is the universal consciousness. For a long time now I believed that everything is just energy that resonates at a frequency that makes it appear what it is. However, I was telling my bro in law about this (which I hasten to add I came to the conclusion from, not only my feelings, but actual science as told by Hawkins, Einstein etc) and he was listening to me explain it. He then threw me a curve ball by asking about ghosts. He asked if this energy was sentient? I couldn't answer but concluded it must be.

I then hear Icke talking about the energy that makes up the universe, but the fact it was conscious and aware and that we are just an experience and we are neither alive or dead. Death does not mean the end, it merely means and end of the physical but WE return to the consciousness. It made me then sort of confirm my own belief of everything. To cement my feelings was a documentary about Bill Hicks and in it he was telling of the time he and a friend took magic mushrooms at his home in the desert. He went on to explain how a tunnel of light enveloped them both and he could sense "beings" in the light. He thought he'd died, but the energy spoke to him and explained that this is what we are and he was experiencing his time now in the physical. As he felt the "beings" speak to him his friend was experiencing the very same thing. His thought that it was a trip was blown away when he realised that BOTH of them were having the same trip. They both realised that they were seeing and hearing everything at the same time.

Once I heard that, it suddenly hit me that my questions were answered and what I had thought about the universe was the truth. Well, to me it is anyway.

[markpierre]

Posted by Juha (here)
@ Markpierre

In the end, all one can do that is REAL, is to try to find out who am I?


Juha

Thanks Juha

I think I'm just not clear to the purpose of it, or how it's a help.

You are, so that's good.

But the bit of quote I pinched directed me to what I know my purpose is,
and I agree, "in the end" but I'd nudge it further and say 'being' who or what we are is the only REAL thing we can be doing.

I'm pretty certain that what anyone thinks, or believes, or considers acceptable has nothing whatever to do with consciousness, but more importantly how or why we associate with others in the big picture, which is what I presume we're meant to be teaching to, if we consider ourselves to be teachers.

I don't know, and I think that if I were going to consider what someone else should know or hear, or how they should react, or attempt to evaluate anything at all on the basis of consensus or agreement, I'd have to be very careful in what I would convey. It's such a big responsibility. I've spent years taking back things I've said.

I think that we'll all discover 'in the end' that whatever we chose to believe was still not quite right. It lead us somewhere but primarily it led us out of the grip of whatever it was. I think that is how we manage to evolve consciously.

I think I would say consensus is an illusion. I think I would say 'I don't know', because that would be the only honest thing I could say.

In healing we put our hands on someone. That's all we do. Sometimes we say hello to strangers.

Hey, that's not to challenge anything, it's just what comes to mind. Maybe that would be my POV. Whatever comes to mind.

[DNA]

I agree with everything you said Juha in just about the right proportions that you spoke in.


I was on the fence with Bob Dean,,,well,,,no, I was on the side of the fence that felt he was a bit full of poo.
But after watching the S4 Video, with my hero Wendelle Stevens, I've decided to change stances and give Dean a bigger benefit of the doubt.
My original problem with Bob Dean was I honestly felt he might have been a strategically placed agent. I know I might sound paranoid, but the fact that he was a whistle blower who just happened to move in to a house across the street from Wendelle Stevens struck me as to much of a coincidence.
It must be stated that Wendelle Stevens did all of his work "outside" of any conventional UFO groups and as such, it was hard to place an agent into his proximity, being as Wendelle was involved in "the most important" UFO cases in the world, it only made sense in my mind that TPTB would do whatever it took to attempt to place some kind of agent in his midst.

I admit I'm probably wrong now, because if I'm right, that would make Bob Dean one hell of a dedicated agent being as he has lived next to Wendelle and remained one of his most trusted friends for over 20 years.
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On a tad more of a controversial note, I believe Billy Meiers to be legit.
There are controversial issues with Meier that I am well aware of. The wedding cake ship, the laser gun, the dinosaur pics, the girl from the Dean Martin show.
I am also aware that Meier took all of his photos to a commercial devoloper, a street corner photo mat.
Wendelle was told by folks who divulged information regarding info gathering tactics that included but were not limited to intercepting Meier's photos and examining them before he retrieved them. It's not hard to take the next step and make the plausible guess that disinfo was practiced here, and that some of his pics were intercepted and replaced with fraudulant pics.

Meier offers an orgy of evidence, and if anyone else had 1% of what Meier is offering, folks would have no problem buying their stories hook line and sinker.
The problem is, that Meier offers so much, that it is easy to throw a little unnoticed dissinfo in and it get passed off as genuine.
All folks need is a little evidence of deception to throw the whole case out and come to a rash judgement.
I personally don't think it is that simple.
If Meier had only pics and no predicitions or retellings of ancient history, he would probably be believed.
If Meier had only predictions and no pics he would probably be believed.
Meier stands as an attack and uncomfortable front to soo many paradigms people hold dear, that it acts as another reason to latch on to a little disinfo.
I don't think Meier is without fault, I think some where along the way he become a bit of a egotistical megalomaniac, and I say this because he can not offer any more pics, all his photos are from the 1970s. As a result, we can come to the conclusion that he either fell out of favor with these folks, or they have out and out stopped communicating with him.
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I'm a huge fan of Graham Hancock myself, and I've often stated if God offered me the ability to live anyone's life in the world, I would probably choose Graham Hancock's, he is just so awesome.
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I dig Jordan Maxwell, but more than Jordan Maxwell, I dig Charles Forte, of whom the Project Camelot interview turned me on to. Charles Forte's statement in his book from 1919 that the earth and mankind have been owned and ruled over by differing alien cultures and we have probably been traded many times over between them for so many beads "a reference from the white man buying the new world from the native americans" truelly stands out in my mind when looking into the past.
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I like Jim Marrs and Joseph Farrell.
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I really like Dr. Pete Peterson.
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I think the Ralph Ring interview is one of the most underrated interviews out there, I really liked it a lot.
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I like Ben Fullford.
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I like Richard Dolan. I like and believe Jim Sparks. I love Sgt Clifford Stone. I like Bill Hamilton. I like John Lear. I like Mr. X. Jane Burgermiester. And I like Stewart Swerdlow but that guy scares the crap out of me.
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I like the Lacerta Interview and if it's a hoax, which it probably is, then my hat is off to the people who gathered that info and deseminated it that way, because that information pinged with me on every level.
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I like Val Valarien.
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I really like Carlos Castaneda, and if I had to choose everybody else or Castaneda, I would choose Castaneda. His techniques provided me with the ability to see into the astral and see things for myself as far as ghosts and non-organic entities are concerned. I don't really care what is said about Castaneda. His data may have been fudged, I don't really care. The techniques outlined in his books, if practiced, they absolutely work.
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I think Phil Schnieder is 100% legit. His stories are amazing, they are the type of stories that make you want to buy a map of the world and start coordinating possible underground/underwater alien bases with stick pins that are color referenced for race and likelihood that a base is there.
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I believe Bob Lazar. I guess I believe Richard Hoagland, but man, what an infuriating interviewee, that guy always has to be difficult and other than a few faces on mars what the hell is he talking about. Hoagland always pissed me off because he would talk about ancient artificats that obviously were made by a space fairing race and yet he would never say the word alien.
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For folks who have not got into Bill Uhouse I highly recomend him. He worked at area 51 for many many years, and his stories are legendary.
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For folks looking to play catch up on any of this, there is no volume of videos I can recomend more than the S4 link at the top of this page. There are three volumes and you really really really have to watch all three to get the full impact of what is being said. By the way, S4 is what the insiders call Area 51. S4 Volume 2 and here is S4 Volume 3
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I have to give Wiliam Cooper props for bringing me into the fold with his book "on a pale horse" back in 1996.
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And lastly and I'll cut this off, I have to give much respect to Ingo Swann's "Penetration". That book gives a lot of excellent data with which to grow from. It also gave me a personal revelation in a story he told that was exactly like a story I had in that he saw a human being that he just "knew" was an alien, and he later got confirmation of this. This data and my personal experience that is akin to this is why I give the outlandish tale in the Lacerta Interview credence. In that tale, Lacerta is said to be a female reptilian, she states that her race can not shape shift, but in fact they can through ESP+, which is something Swann discusses, they can project whatever image they want into our mind. Crazy I know. I don't expect folks to make sense of that, but there it is.
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Good luck all
Take Care
DNA

[TraineeHuman]

Where to begin? Here’s a partial list of people I would judge 90% credible or better:

Richard Hoagland
Jim Marrs
Max Igan
John Mack
Carol Rosin
Bob Dean
Wendelle Stevens
Phillip Corso
Edgar Mitchell
Gordon Cooper
James Horak
Niara Isley
Mary Rodwell
David Icke (but only when he’s not talking about reptoids or anything metaphysical)
David Wilcock (when he’s not relying on his insider sources)
Clifford Stone
Bob Lazar
Drunvalo Melchizedek
Paola Harris
Colin Andrews
Charles Hall
Barry King

And that's only a partial list, off the top of my head!

[KosmicKat]

Posted by Juha (here)
One idea in this thread indeed would be to encourage people to search themselves and "output" what it is that they can find plausible at the end of the day - even though most certainly the best we can get is 60% right - 50% wrong ratio
Juha

I like that! We will have 110% of the information

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by DNA (here)
I agree with everything you said Juha in just about the right proportions that you spoke in.



On a tad more of a controversial note, I believe Billy Meiers to be legit.
There are controversial issues with Meier that I am well aware of. The wedding cake ship, the laser gun, the dinosaur pics, the girl from the Dean Martin show.
I am also aware that Meier took all of his photos to a commercial devoloper, a street corner photo mat.
Wendelle was told by folks who divulged information regarding info gathering tactics that included but were not limited to intercepting Meier's photos and examining them before he retrieved them. It's not hard to take the next step and make the plausible guess that disinfo was practiced here, and that some of his pics were intercepted and replaced with fraudulant pics.

Meier offers an orgy of evidence, and if anyone else had 1% of what Meier is offering, folks would have no problem buying their stories hook line and sinker.
The problem is, that Meier offers so much, that it is easy to throw a little unnoticed dissinfo in and it get passed off as genuine.
All folks need is a little evidence of deception to throw the whole case out and come to a rash judgement.
I personally don't think it is that simple.
If Meier had only pics and no predicitions or retellings of ancient history, he would probably be believed.
If Meier had only predictions and no pics he would probably be believed.
Meier stands as an attack and uncomfortable front to soo many paradigms people hold dear, that it acts as another reason to latch on to a little disinfo.
I don't think Meier is without fault, I think some where along the way he become a bit of a egotistical megalomaniac, and I say this because he can not offer any more pics, all his photos are from the 1970s. As a result, we can come to the conclusion that he either fell out of favor with these folks, or they have out and out stopped communicating with him.

I have loooong pondered Meier ever since reading Gary Kinder's book 'Light Years' when it came out. But I do wonder about the subsequent criticisms that were fired Meier's way, namely the future photograph of San-Francisco devastated by earthquake (the same picture found in a book as an 'artist’s impression of an earthquake), and of course the dubious laser gun and dinosaur photos.

Do you have any information as to where I could find an in-depth (impartial) analysis of these incongruities, or perhaps share what is the present day thinking / stance of researchers regarding the whole Meier business? It seems he's been out of the spotlight a long while.

thanks

[DNA]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I have loooong pondered Meier ever since reading Gary Kinder's book 'Light Years' when it came out. But I do wonder about the subsequent criticisms that were fired Meier's way, namely the future photograph of San-Francisco devastated by earthquake (the same picture found in a book as an 'artist’s impression of an earthquake), and of course the dubious laser gun and dinosaur photos.

Do you have any information as to where I could find an in-depth (impartial) analysis of these incongruities, or perhaps share what is the present day thinking / stance of researchers regarding the whole Meier business? It seems he's been out of the spotlight a long while.

thanks

There was a Japanese Documentary that was pretty good. Other than that, I bought the two Wendelle Stevens books, but those are pricey being as he self published and theirs a limited supply of them on the market. The cool thing now is, you can ussually find the two "UFO contact from the Plieadies" books on a utorrent file sharing program. Happy hunting.

[jagman]

I like Graham Hancock. A lot of people find him and his work highly credible! I hope the op adds him to the list.

[Ultima Thule]

Jagman - I gave Graham an APPLE©

Juha