Why the Illuminati killed Michael Jackson

[Lord Sidious]

Excellent point there about Randy Quaid.

[Cartomancer]

I remember laughing at conservative Christians that talked about the satanic music industry when I was a kid. Really if you look into it this is the only conclusion you can come to. Maybe not satanic in the classic definition but the occult overtones are hard to dismiss. This does fit the paradigm of artists always being controlled by the occult powers. Art did not become an object of aesthetic appeal until around the beginning of the twentieth century. Prior to that it was always used and controlled for political reasons. This is one of the concepts the ruling class has always understood. Art appeals to a part of your brain that you are not consciously aware of kind of like the way advertising does. This is why all media is controlled by those preoccupied with manipulating you in ways you do not even understand. More than once in my life I have seen people fighting over what kind of music is better. Ridiculous when you really think about it.

Also interesting is the phenomena of the African American blues musician meeting Lucifer at the crossroads to trade his soul for fame and fortune. Even this legend has a basis in the religion of the Greeks and Romans. Athena/Hecate was the triple headed goddess of the crossroads among other things. This is a direct Luciferian reference. It has to be more than a coincidence that this activity developed with the reference to the crossroads. It makes you wonder who the ringmasters were that developed this tradition. My next youtube movie will be on this subject.

At first, years ago I fed into the bad hype about Michael Jackson. Recently I did look into it more given the other info I learned about the music business. I have gained a whole new respect for Michael Jackson and do believe he was worked over by these people because later in his career he didn't want to play ball anymore. I'm not saying the dude was "normal" or anything but that just made it easier to smear him. There are several objective views of what happened to Michael on the internet.

[Black Panther]

Posted by Jenci (here)
When you start to wake up to the Illuminati symbolism in the music industry, you see it everywhere. You don't get to make big money in that business unless you promote their agenda. And those that want to break out of that........well, Michael is not the only one they have killed.

When you watch the young, rising stars with a spirit in their eyes being replaced with something very dark indeed as their fame grows, it's difficult to watch. But we must see what they are doing to wake up to what is really going on. Michael tried to tell us.

Lauryn Hill was a rising star, destined for the big time but she got out. The lyrics of this song are well worth listening to.
Jeanette

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xnA1kSY6VlA

I've just looked at the YouTube video of Lauryn Hill. It's pretty obvious: "I get out, you can't hold me in these chains". Thank you for pointing that one out. I've watched a lot of videos where people exposes the music industry as I said before, but it's weird we don't talk about it more often. But maybe other people think the same as you do, Jeanette:

I had better stop there, I am in danger of getting up on a soap box

I don't think we are getting on a soap box. It's very real. They are all real people being used as puppets
to brainwash all of us. We were talking about Amy Winehouse too in another thread and people
said: "it's very tabloid and i'm surprised to find it here" . She was brilliant and it's a shame she 'died' so young!

Yesterday ktlight started a thread about John Lennon's song "I found out". Looks very similar to "I get out".
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...non#post365556

There are a lot more examples of musicians who expose the industry or musicians who love to be a slave.
Imo it's very important to talk about them, because they expose the industry in their songs. By listening to those songs and spreading them on the internet we help them. They don't want to kill them, because
it will wake people up. That's why people like David Icke and Alex Jones are still alive.

In this YouTube video you'll see Eminem, Jay Z, Rihanna, Bob Dylan, 50 Cent, Snoop Dog, Tupac
amongst others. Imo it's very important to know the truth. Did they die or have they been killed.
We have to bring out the truth in the world about them, because some of them can't tell it themselves anymore....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-iDq0Tdja4A

[Mark]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
Also interesting is the phenomena of the African American blues musician meeting Lucifer at the crossroads to trade his soul for fame and fortune. Even this legend has a basis in the religion of the Greeks and Romans. Athena/Hecate was the triple headed goddess of the crossroads among other things. This is a direct Luciferian reference. It has to be more than a coincidence that this activity developed with the reference to the crossroads. It makes you wonder who the ringmasters were that developed this tradition. My next youtube movie will be on this subject.

It's basis is not in Greece, it's the other way around. The Greek legends basis is in Africa, such has been the migratory pattern of culture, even considering the extraterrestrial origins. A Luciferian reference as you say is just a lazy way of discussing ancient religious practices and giving them the veneer of evil as dictated by a strictly Christian - thusly limited - perspective. I look forward to seeing what you speak of in this video and critiquing it if you're coming from this same perspective.

Here is a song I did that is directly related to your comment, called Crossroads, quite appropriately.

Here's another, older video that I created some years ago that is directly related to your erroneous comment about Luciferianism/Satanism:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iKq0YPjcWag

[Cartomancer]

[QUOTE=Rahkyt;366695]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
Also interesting is the phenomena of the African American blues musician meeting Lucifer at the crossroads to trade his soul for fame and fortune. Even this legend has a basis in the religion of the Greeks and Romans. Athena/Hecate was the triple headed goddess of the crossroads among other things. This is a direct Luciferian reference. It has to be more than a coincidence that this activity developed with the reference to the crossroads. It makes you wonder who the ringmasters were that developed this tradition. My next youtube movie will be on this subject.

"It's basis is not in Greece, it's the other way around. The Greek legends basis is in Africa, such has been the migratory pattern of culture, even considering the extraterrestrial origins. A Luciferian reference as you say is just a lazy way of discussing ancient religious practices and giving them the veneer of evil as dictated by a strictly Christian - thusly limited - perspective. I look forward to seeing what you speak of in this video and critiquing it if you're coming from this same perspective."

Hey, Thanks for the tip. What you say makes a lot of sense and some of the things I read suggested this too. Most sources say it derived from the African religions that you spoke of that kind of evolved into "Voodoo" in the Caribbean and America. When I noticed the similarities to Greek and Roman religion it was kind of mind blowing. Some of the things we take as being myths are really based in reality. In addition I'm sure these practices had manipulative aspects as well. It is just wild to think that this phenomena has been around for so long and still seems to exist in one form or another today. I will send you a message when the video is done so you can check it out.

To me selling your soul for success is evil no matter what your faith is.

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm sad to say that I believed all the lies about him, too. Now that I'm aware of how Lame Stream and their masters work, I question the validity of almost everything now.
Rest in Peace, Michael. Your message got out in spite of THEM...

[Mark]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
Hey, Thanks for the tip. What you say makes a lot of sense and some of the things I read suggested this too. Most sources say it derived from the African religions that you spoke of that kind of evolved into "Voodoo" in the Caribbean and America. When I noticed the similarities to Greek and Roman religion it was kind of mind blowing. Some of the things we take as being myths are really based in reality. In addition I'm sure these practices had manipulative aspects as well. It is just wild to think that this phenomena has been around for so long and still seems to exist in one form or another today. I will send you a message when the video is done so you can check it out.

To me selling your soul for success is evil no matter what your faith is.

Selling your soul isn't really what happens. You offer libations, which is really offering an honorific, considering that the entities are non-physical and therefore cannot really partake of what you offer in any way that we can understand. Often the honorific is in the form of food, drink, or something else physical.

An understanding of not just African religious traditions but indigenous traditions the world across is really necessary if you wish to speak authoritatively about these subjects. In Tibet, the traditions are similar, in Mesoamerica, the traditions are similar as well. Often these dieties are available to certain genetic lineages, my most recent studies are bringing me swiftly to the conclusion that the same energetic practices that we ascribe to the Illuminati are only reflective of these deeper, ancient relationships with disembodied entities that humans have been engaged in since time immemorial.

I could write much, much more about this but I really don't want to hijack the thread. Perhaps another thread might be appropriate. Suffice it to say, when the blues musicians go to the crossroads, they'er not meeting the devil, they're meeting Papa Legba, which is a form of the Yoruban Elegba, a diety which has its counterparts in Vodun, Santeria, Sangoma and all other African-descended spiritual practices. The ancient traditions state that many of the dieties were once physical beings, that is why they are offered food and alcohol and smokes.

You're not selling anything to them, basically. It's just a way of saying you've entered into a relationship with a non-corporeal entity which requires some form of physical libation in order to cement the relationship. You give, and they give back to you.

It certainly isn't as symbolically horrific as the ritualistic cannibalism that the Eucharist of pretty much all forms of Christianity represents. Eat your god and drink its blood? Really?

[Cartomancer]

Wow. Now the myth is shattered. I'm sure people put a bad spin on this and made it seem evil. This will be good to show in the video to make the point.

What really interests me in that I am researching geomancy is the need for the ritual/ceremony to be at the crossroads itself. This physical location of things in a gridded pattern is an odd little understood aspect of many things considered to be occult or secret philosophies. Any insights there?

[Mark]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
What really interests me in that I am researching geomancy is the need for the ritual/ceremony to be at the crossroads itself. This physical location of things in a gridded pattern is an odd little understood aspect of many things considered to be occult or secret philosophies. Any insights there?

All of these spiritual practices are very geometrically and mathematically precise. They are fractal in nature, numerological and also incorporate sacred geometry. The basic form of a crossroads is, of course, a cross. A cross means many things, but in its most basic form it is a symbol of manifestation, the dichtomy of potentiality, positive and negative spaces, externalization of what is internal. The intersection itself is the point of dimensional intensification and the location where your greatest chance of breaking through the barrier exists. Again, there is much more to the symbology ... have fun with your research.

[Jenci]

Posted by Black Panther;366679Thank you for pointing that one out. I've watched a lot of videos where people exposes the music industry as I said before, but it's weird we don't talk about it more often. But maybe other people think the same as you do, Jeanette:
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I had better stop there, I am in danger of getting up on a soap box

Hi BlackPanther, I downloaded that Lauryn Hill song today and listened to it when I was out on repeat and my heart wept for all of them. They are up there in the big, bright lights as stars......but they are just victims.

Michael Jackson said Tommy Mottola was a devil

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Z8632lVgVs

....and Tommy Mottola was married to Mariah Carey and this is what she had to say about him

"I am thankful to [Mottola] in a lot of ways. I try not to vilify him. I have to forgive him for being so restrictive. I understand him not wanting me to go out and hang out all night, but going to a spa with friends every now and then, or doing things on my own would have made a world of difference. And I'd probably still be with him if I had. Maybe it's for my own good that I wasn't 'allowed' to do those things, but that's not how it felt."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/156...trictive.jhtml

How does a woman supposedly at the top of her profession end up saying that maybe it was for her own good that she was not allowed out to the spa with her friends?

This is a picture of Monarch butterfly. Monarch was the name of a mind control programme.


Mariah made an album called Butterflies. She has a large tattoo of one on her back. She's been in and out of rehab for "breakdowns". And she is not allowed out with her friends when married to the man Michael called the devil. Here's her greatest hits album. Does the butterfly look familiar?



Incidently there is supposedly a porcelain face mind control programme where the victim has a hot mask put on their face until in the end they only see the mask when looking in the mirror. I remember Michael saying that he was unable to look at himself in the mirror in an interview and with regards to his face, we never understood what he did.......but there was plenty of ridcule. Who knows what he endured.

We were talking about Amy Winehouse too in another thread and people
said: "it's very tabloid and i'm surprised to find it here" . She was brilliant and it's a shame she 'died' so young!

really..I didn't see that.

The whole celebrity thing is a big part of the conspiracy. It's funny, it was only when I saw all the illuminati and mind control symbolism with celebrities that I started to look wider issues. Seeing through it was a big part in waking me up to it all.

Yesterday ktlight started a thread about John Lennon's song "I found out". Looks very similar to "I get out".
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...non#post365556

Interesting lyrics. He was a very awake and aware man

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aMqau8U1j5s

About his death, was it part of the conspiracy and how big was it? Dare I mention the subject of Paul McCartney and whether he died and was replaced. I know it brings up a lot of disinfo claims ....but then again that can suggest it's worth looking at.

What I know for fact is that here in the UK Heather Mills was absolutely slated in our media when she was divorcing him. I never understood why and people would tell me that they absolutely really hated her. I never understood that either. I actually felt sorry for her.

This was an interesting interview with Heather where she says that she was lied to in a way that was not infidelity but was so big it pushed her towards suicide and that "people don't want to know the truth because they could never, ever handle it, they would be too devastated". What was she talking about?

...But by this time she was a crazy goldigger, ridiculed by everyone so no one (almost) was listening.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8

Imo it's very important to talk about them, because they expose the industry in their songs.

I agree and while some people may not be interested in the industry angle on the conspiracy, it may be the one thing which wakes another up - when they see through the facade of their star or idol.

And yes many of these artists are telling us what is going on in their music.
Jeanette

[TargeT]

Jenci, have you seen www.theindustryexposed.com ?

quite facinating it delves into more current pop-stars & how almost every concert is really a massive ritualistic cerimony...

that web site &

http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/

have changed "entertainment" a lot for me; infact I find spotting the symbols & trying to figure out the hidden messages the whole reason for watching movies now... hahaha

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Jenci, have you seen www.theindustryexposed.com ?

quite facinating it delves into more current pop-stars & how almost every concert is really a massive ritualistic cerimony...

that web site &

www.hollywoodinsiders.com

have changed "entertainment" a lot for me; infact I find spotting the symbols & trying to figure out the hidden messages the whole reason for watching movies now... hahaha

The last link appears to be no good.
Looks like the domain name may have expired.

[TargeT]

the problem with working from memory is... well mine's not the best for details.. haha

http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by TargeT (here)
the problem with working from memory is... well mine's not the best for details.. haha

http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/

Don't tell me, you have a memory like a steel trap, but the springs are cactus?

[Cartomancer]

This is a phenomena that has been in pop music for a long time. I got a clue when I started to realize that one of my favorite bands had nothing but gnostic and masonic imagery in all their album covers and songs. Not to mention their name: The Grateful Dead

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[CivilDawn]

Another good one crosses over:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs

VS

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sjSG6z_13-Q

All kinds of dark imagery in the second one. Couldn't have just let her sing about positivity and self growth, could they?

PS. Thank you to everyone who has posted valuable information about this painfully real tragedy with Michael.

[ghostrider]

he always spoke with words like awareness, awakening... to raise awareness. he was ahead of time it seems.

[Jenci]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Jenci, have you seen www.theindustryexposed.com ?

quite facinating it delves into more current pop-stars & how almost every concert is really a massive ritualistic cerimony...

that web site &

http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/

have changed "entertainment" a lot for me; infact I find spotting the symbols & trying to figure out the hidden messages the whole reason for watching movies now... hahaha

Thanks for the links. I hadn't seen those sites and I agree, it changes the "entertainment" when you start to watch for all the hidden symbols and messages.......and not so hidden
Jeanette

[Jenci]

Posted by CivilDawn (here)
Another good one crosses over:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs

VS

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sjSG6z_13-Q

All kinds of dark imagery in the second one. Couldn't have just let her sing about positivity and self growth, could they?

PS. Thank you to everyone who has posted valuable information about this painfully real tragedy with Michael.

The Miley videos are excellent example of what "they" are doing - it's this type of change that I was talking about.

Miley hooked in a whole generation of young girls with her pink, fluffy Hannah Montana series and merchandise and once they are all following her, she takes them to the dark side. No, they couldn't let her sing about positivity and self growth - it seems that they are saying that growth from child to adult is this type of change. I noticed too that in the 'innocent' video of Miley on the Climb she is standing in front of a huge pyramid. A sign of things to come.

They are getting more blatent. This is the lastest Disney star, China Ann McClain. Born in 98, she only just has become a teenager. She has her own TV series and a few weeks ago this video was playing every ad break on the Disney Channel. It's got 5 million views on youtube. It's very much like Michael's Thriller. The music is very hypnotic and all the dance moves with hip thrusting and the facial expressions with the way she uses her mouth are not what you would expect from such a young girl.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bmSpn3EnsE0

Jeanette

[Black Panther]

Posted by Jenci (here)
This is a picture of Monarch butterfly. Monarch was the name of a mind control programme.


Mariah made an album called Butterflies. She has a large tattoo of one on her back. She's been in and out of rehab for "breakdowns". And she is not allowed out with her friends when married to the man Michael called the devil. Here's her greatest hits album. Does the butterfly look familiar?



Incidently there is supposedly a porcelain face mind control programme where the victim has a hot mask put on their face until in the end they only see the mask when looking in the mirror. I remember Michael saying that he was unable to look at himself in the mirror in an interview and with regards to his face, we never understood what he did.......but there was plenty of ridcule. Who knows what he endured.

That's a good one. If they are talking about 'breakdowns' or 'rehab' maybe they are actually
updating the mind control program. So they come back 'fresh' and 'energised'.
Maybe that's why Amy sang: I don't go to 'rehab'!

There are two threads about Amy:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-and-howling--
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...use#post332703

Interesting lyrics. He was a very awake and aware man

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aMqau8U1j5s

I started a thread about John: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...93-John-Lennon

About his death, was it part of the conspiracy and how big was it? Dare I mention the subject of Paul McCartney and whether he died and was replaced. I know it brings up a lot of disinfo claims ....but then again that can suggest it's worth looking at.

There is a thread about Paul McCartney:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...artney-a-CLONE

I haven't got time to study Paul McCartney, but there are some wild stories out there.
I know for sure John and Paul weren't friends in the end anymore. Haven't studied Heather Mills
too. By believing the lamestream media she is just a golddigger, but I guess the truth will be totally
different again.