David Icke 2011

[Mike]

i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little too eager to prove something will present their evidence a bit overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

[Calz]

All points of view are fine as long as they are done with respect.

I think there has been plenty enough of emotional posting lately to last for awhile.

I am trying to pull up Bob Dean's testimoney on Camelot but getting really slow response. Hopefully in a bit.

[Mark]

Posted by Carmody (here)
I hate it when all the evidence fits, it tends to drag you down the rabbit hole, whether you want to go or not.

In the soul harvester thread, I posited that the ley lines are weakened dimensional crossing areas, ie, the blue ghost tunnel and now the 'mohawk' burial of the children by the church on that given line, how wynderer (forum member) had large amounts of issues with invading spirits and lived in the finger lakes area, which is a ley line nexus point. And on..and on...

So, I do not know where they camped but this is about as close a guess as we are going to get, methinks.

I'm assuming this is the story about the family who was out camping and witnessed a ritual, and then were accosted by a Reptilian. Thanks for doing the energetic research, Carmody, it is interesting that research into geomancy has shown an association between these types of sightings and others of an ultra/extra-dimensional sort and very specific earth locations. My question has always been, if the tilt of the earth upon its access really fluctuates between 23.5 and 21.2 or something like that, then does that also mean that ley lines move as well in relation to solar and galactic focal points?

Ancient stories about the earth being perpendicular also come to mind, straight up and down on its axis, during earlier eras of human habitation of this planet. In my mind, the physical record is wiped clean with every cataclysm and the planet itself shifts, creating new relationships with the other planets and stars, so each Age has its own peculiar interaction that is unique and ephemeral, dependent upon time and space in its multi-dimensional resonant spiraling.

Higher dimensional realities and our interactions with them must also shift as well. So ceremonies, incantations and such must mirror these changes. If one is on the horizon, serious earth changes of this magnitude, then perhaps the Earth Grid is shifting now in preparation with the magnetic pole shift currently underway only being one sign of something much larger.

[1derer]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little to eager to prove something will present their evidence a little overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

Good comments chiniceski, at least someone sees the point being made and has the maturity to tell it like it is...I also do not consider this a battle, I am certainly open to the idea that something might be going on behind the scenes but to claim Icke is right, or anyone else for that matter without a smidgen of evidence is a very isolated position to be in. At least the UFO phenomena has objects in the sky, and I believe that aliens might exist based on the improbability of earth being the only planet to harbour life and based upon the size of the universe, but a reptillian based on video degredation, lighting effects or paitings on a wall of a snake? LMAO!

Anyhoo, what do you think of the video of the girl I placed here that noone had the balls to comment on? do you perceive that as being an example of a repltilian, or is it what I believe a small coincidence that her pupils formed differently?

Also you said you think they exist, do you know what it is that makes you feel that way?

[Carmody]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by 1derer (here)
You claim to have done your research, yet with ZERO evidence have now decided upon the misguided notion that reptiles exist? Bravo!

LOL You're funny. The thing is, I do not have to prove anything to you. It makes no difference to me what you know or what you do not know, as I do not know you nor do I have any vested interest in your knowledge or ignorance. You came to this thread as a debunker and with an attitude of challenge and derision, which means that you came here spoiling for a fight. And now you are utilizing belligerent language and deriding forum members in order to belittle us and paint yourself as better because you "do not believe in Reptilians".

There is no cause for me to interact with you at all, as your lack of respect and negativity is an energy drain, and does not help anyone in any way but you.

Again, I wish you the best of luck with your research! I'm sorry that I cannot help you with it any further.

How base, that a member accuses another of derision and challenging attitude, along with being a debunker if they should not agree with the very post, and then to act as mother hen and speak on behalf of everyone!

Go experience it for yourself. Get involved to the point that something happens to you, or around you.

Try harder.

Get out there and poke your nose in places where you think it does not belong, specifically concerning these subjects. Search out direct contact.

Best of luck to you.

If you are lucky, the worst that will happen is the experience will scare the crap out of you.

I personally do not rate reptilians, if they exist, as being 'specifically' evil. Whatever that entirely human concept means.

Regardless, the situation does indeed exist in some form or another.

[Mark]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
All points of view are fine as long as they are done with respect.

I think there has been plenty enough of emotional posting lately to last for awhile.

LOL My name is Emmit, I ain't (no longer) in it. I'm here to talk about the subject at hand, not do someone else's research, so I'm not interested in continuing any kind of disagreement. Truthfully, there is just sooooooooo much information that you have to process to even come to some kind of logical and rational understanding of this phenomenon that there is no way I'm going to list resources or write out information trying to explain it to anybody unless it is in a book. You're exactly right, I certainly have had enough of debate energy lately. SMFH.

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

LOL It's not a battle! Just me "speaking for everybody" and bowing out of basic paranormal education and argumentation for a while and trying to do so quickly and with humor.

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

And, really, this is the case with everything, even a lot of the stuff that goes into scientific journals. Finding that out was the final straw in my sojourn into academia. Once I learned how to learn, I no longer needed the titles and degrees. Or the system.

Intuition is best, as is that resonation that fills one's body when one is filled with Truth. For me, that is more of an indicator of what is 'real' and what is not than any form of 'proof', no matter how quantitative or scientifically valid, whatever that really means.

[Jonathon]

Nothing can be proven as there is no proof - not even the most mundane and universally accepted 'truths'. I have seen a UFO. Is that proof to anyone outside myself? If 4 others saw it at the same time, does that prove it to the rest of you? Of course it doesn't. Sorry to be trite - I've said this over and over - facts are not truth and there is no proof (nice rhyme ). The only truth is in your own experience. Until which time we can collectively experience and disseminate another's experience 1st hand, no such proof will ever exist.

If you are unable to accept something, that's quite alright, however it has nothing to do with truth or proof. It simply means it doesn't conform to your sense of identity (that which is the culmination of your experience).

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation. For all I know the reptilian form is simply a representation (what isn't after all) occurring at a level of perception 'unlocked' by an astute observer - a manifested 6th sense of some sort. I've had something close in my experience - just not quite to perception of physical manifestation... but darned close.

The reptilian brain and serpent form is worshiped in all aspects. This includes ceremony with the intention of drawing 'divine' manifestation of form and power to the subject. Energetic as well as physical vampirism is one of many realms this enters. You are what you eat and become what you willfully intend. Further, the serpent form is not only called into manifestation, it is and has been diligently evolving through the bloodline for ages with the intention of maintaining/divining all of those hard-earned traits. You think these bloodlines are just some leisure fancy? They are trying to evolve into something via selective breeding, genetic management and through 'dark will' (and whatever assistance that brings). It's a very nasty game of service. Doubt it not. These people may be F*****d Up, but they are definitely not stupid. These aren't college kids with a candle and black lipstick. This is ANCIENT tradition with all the bells and whistles thousands of years ahead of scientific advancement in ALL areas grants them. Consider it from that angle.

[Carmody]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
I hate it when all the evidence fits, it tends to drag you down the rabbit hole, whether you want to go or not.

In the soul harvester thread, I posited that the ley lines are weakened dimensional crossing areas, ie, the blue ghost tunnel and now the 'mohawk' burial of the children by the church on that given line, how wynderer (forum member) had large amounts of issues with invading spirits and lived in the finger lakes area, which is a ley line nexus point. And on..and on...

So, I do not know where they camped but this is about as close a guess as we are going to get, methinks.

I'm assuming this is the story about the family who was out camping and witnessed a ritual, and then were accosted by a Reptilian. Thanks for doing the energetic research, Carmody, it is interesting that research into geomancy has shown an association between these types of sightings and others of an ultra/extra-dimensional sort and very specific earth locations. My question has always been, if the tilt of the earth upon its access really fluctuates between 23.5 and 21.2 or something like that, then does that also mean that ley lines move as well in relation to solar and galactic focal points?

Ancient stories about the earth being perpendicular also come to mind, straight up and down on its axis, during earlier eras of human habitation of this planet. In my mind, the physical record is wiped clean with every cataclysm and the planet itself shifts, creating new relationships with the other planets and stars, so each Age has its own peculiar interaction that is unique and ephemeral, dependent upon time and space in its multi-dimensional resonant spiraling.

Higher dimensional realities and our interactions with them must also shift as well. So ceremonies, incantations and such must mirror these changes. If one is on the horizon, serious earth changes of this magnitude, then perhaps the Earth Grid is shifting now in preparation with the magnetic pole shift currently underway only being one sign of something much larger.

The current grid is tied to the vibrational hot spots for the bell ring or oscillatory shaping of the earth, according to the known hot spots. the primary starting points are the Great Pyramid, etc. There are different geometric points depending on on the frequencies involved..that the earth would shape itself or ring at, according to 'cymatics'.


The lines, in our ground based perception, do tend to wander at bit.

for example, where one ley line comes from a large body of water to the shore line at the place/location I am at.... a small truncated pyramid is located there, along with Freemason symbology.

The entire area along that ley line, that is occupied by people via buildings and what not... is covered with lighting rods. But no where outside of that area. And so on.

[Mike]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little to eager to prove something will present their evidence a little overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

Good comments chiniceski, at least someone sees the point being made and has the maturity to tell it like it is...I also do not consider this a battle, I am certainly open to the idea that something might be going on behind the scenes but to claim Icke is right, or anyone else for that matter without a smidgen of evidence is a very isolated position to be in. At least the UFO phenomena has objects in the sky, and I believe that aliens might exist based on the improbability of earth being the only planet to harbour life and based upon the size of the universe, but a reptillian based on video degredation, lighting effects or paitings on a wall of a snake? LMAO!

Anyhoo, what do you think of the video of the girl I placed here that noone had the balls to comment on? do you perceive that as being an example of a repltilian, or is it what I believe a small coincidence that her pupils formed differently?

Also you said you think they exist, do you know what it is that makes you feel that way?

ok, i just watched the video, and my initial thoughts are: that chick is kinda cute! and the accent isn't hurting her either. at all.

well yeah, seriously though, i'm with you here 100%. these youtube vids of the flickering eyes are dubious at best.

what is it that makes me feel reptilian entities exist? my honest and short answer is: i don't know. but the way you phrased your question leads me to believe that you have an idea as to why people believe in such things...yes? no?

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sorry guys, 'battle', was a bad choice of words. how's 'debate'?

[Asyloth]

Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

[Jonathon]

Posted by Asyloth (here)
Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

I tend to agree Asyloth, however I would say too that I can TOTALLY appreciate how and why reptilians are so hard to accept - it's reeealllly far out there. You have to really get into the nasty places that most people dare not go. I also agree that the difficulty in it being accepted does in fact hurt David's believability. Of course, that has nothing to do (once again) with truth. I think he would have drawn 3 to 10 times more of an audience without it... but once again, your truth is your truth. He wouldn't be David Ike if he wasn't David Ike. I respect him fully and completely and appreciate every level of his contribution - far out or not.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

During the early 90's Barbara Marciniak was my introduction to the reptilian agenda and Earth's ancient history. Information about the reptilians has come from other sources as well, but Barbara Marciniak's information is still my favorite. It resonates with me.

There are "dark side" reptilians and "light side" reptilians according to Barbara and others. My gut feeling is that this info is true.

The only reptilians I've (knowingly) met were in dreams.

[Mike]

you make a good point Asyloth.

when it comes to the paranormal, we have to consider what i like to call "relative outrageousness" before we label something outrageous simply for the sake of marginalizing it.

for if we believe in fairies and poltergeists and ufo's, is it really that much of a stretch to consider reptilians?

[ponda]

Reptilians are probably just the tip of a very big iceberg.There are most likely beings/entities out there that defy the imagination imho

[Carmody]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

[Aetheric Traveler]

The following is my opinion: Remember, just my opinion. Opinion because "playing the game" requires separating fact from fiction, truth from misdirection, real information from ingeniously planted falsehoods woven around a few truths. Perceptioneering is a complex game played by the Powers to mold and manipulate minds, future thoughts and behaviors. Ok, here goes.

1.) There are such beings as Reptilians because there are too many ancient bas relief depictions to call them coincidence, fantasy, hoaxes or purposefully planted diversionary infomation bits. They are only one of many species of creatures that I simply call "Other-World-Life" depicted on ancient artwork that never seems to find a place in the average school textbook.

2.) The "powers that be" are doing their damnest to undermine all avenues of true and verifiable sources of information, people who spread truth and web sites that share truth regarding those species of "Other-World-Life".

3.) You can bet those "powers" are going to sow dissension, disinformation, misdirection and outright lies woven into bits of truth to give those lies the appearance of credibility, so people will not really know what to believe. If you can't fool them totally and get the masses to believe the lie(s) you want, then at least confuse the living crap out of their simple little minds with conflicting info.

4.) Their most common tactic is Problem, Reaction, Solution and it leaves a telltale trail that is visible as a "You will know them by their fruits" signature. Once you get used to seeing this signature, it becomes easier to spot.

5.) The next touted Problem, Reaction, Solution "Created Enemy" (after spending decades and Zillions of $$$- read, our $$$, to convince us ET's don't exist) is supposed to be " The Alien Threat". The signature is the same as Terrorist, War on Terror, Can't trust that foreign Dictator, WMD, etc, Just the new bad guy on the block to cover up their nefarious activities while they steal us blind.

6.) David Icke has been railing against the Powers for years and they have been unsuccessful in their attempts to discredit, debunk, disempower him. What better way to make him seem the fool than by painting him as the man who tells people "Reptilians are bad guys"???. (when they are not)

7.) Reptilians, like many other life forms, participate in the Cosmic Non-Interference Directive: (now hear this) If they were the bad guys, they would have taken over the Earth long ago and eaten all the humans for lunch if that's what they really do, which I simply do not believe. The depictions of these creatures in ancient tablets and graphics shows a cooperative and acknowledging relationship, not one of Lordship, Slavery, destruction or subservience or conflict.

8.) Since the Powers do not want the average Dumb-Joe to believe the Reptilians are good guys, they are going to paint them as bad guys in an all out effort to make sure that Reptilians do not start teaching humans about the Djed Pillar, the Torus Free Energy Equations, Zero Point Energy devices and other concepts like Faster than Light Travel, the Hollow Earth and the Grid Pattern of the planet. What better way to discredit them than to create mass fear of them?

9.) The "Powers" timetable for springing the trap on all us dopey little humans who helplessly watch the Powers manipulate the worlds economies into the toilet is nearing its final phase where all the productivity of the planet practically comes to a grinding halt, creating mass chaos, Marshall Law inception and activation and the usage of all the Presidential Executive Orders that completely enslave people in the USA to the New World Order so that we can all have a nice little RFID chip implanted in our bodies for electronic money, constant surveillance and complete obedience to the Powers. Anyone who tries to "educate" others to the reality of any space travelers or alternative energy methods will find themselves removed from society electronically and financially.

If information was ever so simple as to say this is good, that is bad, this is true, that is false, then, nobody would have the freedom to be a free thinker just as nobody would have the opportunity to attempt ruling the world. My first impression of the link from StuartWilde is that heresay is or has become the latest, newest form of persuasvie yellow cyber-journalism aka, my friend got a visit and said he got scared. Oh, pllllllllllease!!!

Sorry, not buying it.

And that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it like 5 day old underwear until someone comes along and tells me it smells .... well, like 5 day old underwear!!! :>)

Cheers,
AT

[Mark]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The current grid is tied to the vibrational hot spots for the bell ring or oscillatory shaping of the earth, according to the known hot spots. the primary starting points are the Great Pyramid, etc. There are different geometric points depending on on the frequencies involved..that the earth would shape itself or ring at, according to 'cymatics'.


The lines, in our ground based perception, do tend to wander at bit.

for example, where one ley line comes from a large body of water to the shore line at the place/location I am at.... a small truncated pyramid is located there, along with Freemason symbology.

The entire area along that ley line, that is occupied by people via buildings and what not... is covered with lighting rods. But no where outside of that area. And so on.

Very interesting. I believe Coral Castle down in Florida was built close to such a location I think. I don't belong to any secretive organizations or anything like that but it has always struck me as peculiar to learn about ancient organizations and to find their modern-day equivalents engaging in the very same behavior with just an advance in technology.

There are a couple of theories regarding the earth's shape. It's bulge at the equators being considered an oblate spheroid rather than a circle, making it a bit squashed at the poles, for instance. Was that caused by some sort of expansion that is going on with the earth, or was it a side-effect of the earth's spin on its axis, as the traditional explanation goes? Considering the fact that it's size and measurements are very important in the determination of these hot spots and their dispersal across the globe, they must of necessity be quite dynamic, much as we see the magnetosphere and ionosphere to be, in relation to the current intensity of solar flares and extra-solar emanations in the form of cosmic ray influx into earth system.

The energetic mathematics necessary to take advantage of these energy vortices has been traditionally managed by invocation/Logos/the Word/aural ossilations and also by the maneuvering of space with hand gestures, or spells, which are a form of technology so advanced as to be considered magic, which is what the people mentioned in the original thread witnessed, drawing the attention of those ultra-dimensional reptilians who were present. The fact that they only engaged in threatening behavior and did nothing to hurt the people is telling. That always stands out to me in many of these occurrences. The reasons seem to be obvious: either they can't or they aren't allowed to. Which speaks to the potential existence of some greater law or practice being observed in these inter-dimensional interactions that I think has a lot to do with the types of interactions that may occur at these terminal points.

I wonder, for those locations that are close to human habitations, if there must have been some sort of agreement between the Reptilian factions and human factions to continue utilizing those points, or whether there is some simultaneous ultra-dimensional usage occurring, where both may have facilities overlapping at the same point in space but different dimensional access nexuses.

Posted by Asyloth (here)
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.

Hi Asyloth! Nice to meet you. What I said was:

The evidence for Reptilians is ancient.

Which was not a statement of belief or disbelief. At the time, I was willing to share a few resources. Then, after the next response, I was no longer willing. I am by nature very skeptical of many things myself, actually. I try to research in order to find out what can be possible and what cannot. I determine the validity of my sources and I cross-reference with multiple types of sources in order to find any correlations or similarities. For this particular topic, my research has taken me from cosmology to mythology, from quantum physics to string theory, from dimensional theories to density channelings, from human biology to astral biophysics, on and on and on to and through much, much more. I am not willing to engage in a confrontory debate where I'm forced to back up my assertions with links, quotes, blah blah blah blah blah. I did that for years online back in the 90s and early 00s and in school for another decade. No more. Folks can do their own research.

[1derer]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little to eager to prove something will present their evidence a little overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

Good comments chiniceski, at least someone sees the point being made and has the maturity to tell it like it is...I also do not consider this a battle, I am certainly open to the idea that something might be going on behind the scenes but to claim Icke is right, or anyone else for that matter without a smidgen of evidence is a very isolated position to be in. At least the UFO phenomena has objects in the sky, and I believe that aliens might exist based on the improbability of earth being the only planet to harbour life and based upon the size of the universe, but a reptillian based on video degredation, lighting effects or paitings on a wall of a snake? LMAO!

Anyhoo, what do you think of the video of the girl I placed here that noone had the balls to comment on? do you perceive that as being an example of a repltilian, or is it what I believe a small coincidence that her pupils formed differently?

Also you said you think they exist, do you know what it is that makes you feel that way?

ok, i just watched the video, and my initial thoughts are: that chick is kinda cute! and the accent isn't hurting her either. at all.

well yeah, seriously though, i'm with you here 100%. these youtube vids of the flickering eyes are dubious at best.

what is it that makes me feel reptilian entities exist? my honest and short answer is: i don't know. but the way you phrased your question leads me to believe that you have an idea as to why people believe in such things...yes? no?

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sorry guys, 'battle', was a bad choice of words. how's 'debate'?

No harm done with the battle, I just speak what is obvious, shame others need to attack a member just because they disagree, instead of having an intelligent discussion about it !!

Anyhoo, this is my take on it

We are all in a way reptilian! (cue twilight zone theme tune!)

Here's why...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AXyp9p1UDPg

As for the french girl, I also agree with your initial thoughts! You see, the reppie brain is in full effect there!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The reptilians I've met in the dream state have been both "dark side" and "light side". The snakes I find in my dreams may represent biped reptilians. I am always very careful to identify and not hurt the non-threatening snakes.

In one very significant dream the snakes radiated so much love, that for a very long time, when I talked of the dream, my tears would flow. Incredible.

[1derer]

Here is President Obama talking about a reptilian side of our brains...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X2rQE2q_2kA

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Posted by Cjay (here)
1derer, Have you ever seen air? By your definition, air must not exist.

Yes, if you throw a colorant into the sky, you will see it move and also I breathe it too.

Have you breathed a reptilian? LMAO