David Icke 2011

[Jonathon]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Asyloth (here)
Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

Come come Asyloth, a beligerent attitude? I see no reason to fight over something that lacks such credibility yet everyone thinks exists!

I'm sorry if in this thread people cannot handle it if someone disagrees with something, nor can I help it that people are accepting another's words as the biblical truth without a smidgen of any circumstantial evidence whatsoever and then comforting each other as they huddle around a fire looking at shadows in a cave.

To attack someone and accuse them of being challenging, or debunking or whatever uneccesary reptilian reponses of fear were presented is not what one should expect in a thread of so called open minds, nor is a condescending manner required just becuase no evidence is forthcoming.

All I want to do is question the basis of the belief that people think reppies exist, because what I find incredulous, is that the basis of their belief is ancient imagery or videos with cats eyes which to me do not in any way whatsoever account for reppy existence.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (I don't mean any offense) - my impression here is that you are more interested in proving to yourself that you are right (in spite of your admitted ignorance on the subject) than to create a discussion about the ins and outs of what everyone else has experienced or researched. You seem to be looking for lobs that you can smack down - a defensive gesture. If you really want to discuss it then do some homework and then lets all talk about it. I can't teach you how to fish over the phone. You kinda have to get a pole and drop a line in the water. Once again, I think I can (and want to) appreciate where you're coming from, but I'm not sure the intention is mutual. That's not a good place to start if we plan on being serious about it.

[Carmody]

I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers.

Micheal Newton's regression hypnosis books on the subject of 'lives between lives' might have something to say about that.

Basically that the duality humans ARE containers. end. stop.

That this is a school.

and there may be some feeding going on at this school. a bit of theft, one might say. Since the being or bit lost is not a whole soul, it is a shard from a soul, well, this may constitute a feeding of a sort. Consequences... I'm not sure of.

They eat the equivalent of a leg, and it grows back. eventually.

however, according to Dolores cannon and her issuances in regression work, our 'enemy' may be aligned to take the world down a dark path of not graduating ...or taking as many as possible.

the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...and thus.... get a new body and remain as the damaged shard, which has gone bad..and does not want to 'die'. The tales of soul capture and soul transference. Humanity as a lesson learning system, gone bad..with an aid or help from nefarious quarters.

Remember, my trick (of recall) is to step inside the when they die in difficult situations...and get them to the right vibration so they go back to the source. Overlay.

They cannot be forced to go back....but if it is like that....it is corruption.

[1derer]

Posted by Jonathon (here)
You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

If you really want to find value in a book, you have to 'get into it' - or buy into the 'truth' of it. Once you accept the reality of it (regardless), you are naturally inclined to consider it for what it is, not what you are. You cannot integrate and learn what you resist. If you aren't interested, that's OK too... but no sense beating around the bush about it. Move on to something that is more to your resonant level and maybe come back some other time. Your readiness for it doesn't have to be a point of friction with others' journey within it.

If we were to blindly follow without quesitioning, then we would end up buying mortgages that are ponzi schemes, and lose our very homes.....DOH

Well, my point is why fear being questioned, if you are so committed to the very suspension of belief you give, and why not admit to the fact that this is not actually as factual as you are being led up the garden path to believe?

Just as much as reppies living, why cant werewolves or faires or vampires live? And if you beleieve they do, then why cant I ask you your opinion on the matter without being belittled?

[Jonathon]

Posted by ponda (here)

1derer said:

So they are not physical at all? This is why I question when ppl say that reppies are real, as every video on the net shows reppie eyes right?

Well it might depend on what 'physical' is.They might not be physical in 3d but are physical in their own reality.

I find the eye changes on some of the utube vids very interesting.Either people are going to a lot of trouble to fake them or there might be more to it.Anything is possible

There's certainly no shortage of faking going around. From my imagined perspective of the faker, it's darned funny that someone might actually take it seriously.

[gripreaper]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.

So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In the remote Rwandan mountains in Africa, according to credo Mutwa.

[1derer]

Posted by Carmody (here)

I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers.

Micheal Newton's regression hypnosis books on the subject of 'lives between lives' might have something to say about that.

Basically that the duality humans ARE containers. end. stop.

Indeed, John Lear makes much mention of the greys as being caretakers of the souls, and that the moon is linked into all of this, but one thing he has never done, is state who the greys are caretakers for.... However, with so many sightings of alien ufos, abductions and even bodies lying strewn across the moonscape, it is an interesting concept.

[161803398]

I'm not an Obama fan but he is not talking about that kind of "reptilian". He is talking about another concept. You would understand that if you were familiar with Robert Bly, the American poet. The idea is that the brain consists of three parts: the part just above the neck being the reptilian part (not side) which is fight or flee; the middle brain being the emotional part; and then the top part which they say we only use one tenth of. Energy can be channeled up and down through these parts by music; poetry; art; architecture etc. Listening to Frank Sinatra, for example, would stimulate the emotional brain; listening to heavy metal would stimulate the reptilian part; listen to Bach would stimulate the upper portion of the brain. That is what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with what David Icke is talking about.

If you can understand the above; you will know a great deal about how to communicate with people. For instance, have you noticed if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone they will get angry at you; but if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone with humour, they won't get angry. That is because you have stimulated the upper part of the brain with humour so they can't react with the lizard part of the brain.

However, you have to be careful with this or at least honest with it. Sometimes people use this type of humour in a kind way to let people know truths gently. I think also the old court jesters used to get away with a lot with this method. However, you might have experienced some real assholes who do this in a mean way and have the experience of laughing at something you later find highly insulting...when that happens people can start to really hate the person who did it.

[1derer]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.

So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In the remote Rwandan mountains in Africa, according to credo Mutwa.

I would suggest all mountainous regions, cave systems and other underground hideouts!

[ponda]

Jonathon said:

There's certainly no shortage of faking going around. From my imagined perspective of the faker, it's darned funny that someone might actually take it seriously.

They might take it seriously because it fits in with many different peoples experiences of seeing other peoples eyes change appearance right in front of them.

[Carmody]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.

So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In the remote Rwandan mountains in Africa, according to credo Mutwa.

I would suggest all mountainous regions, cave systems and other underground hideouts!

Please investigate, don't be insulting.

I'm out.

[1derer]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.

So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

How much of the light spectrum is visible to the (human) naked eye???

Put on some of the military grade night vision goggles (aka Ed Grimsley) and you see a whole bunch of "stuff" going on that you would not otherwise.

Correct?

Not sure if that is correct, or else anyone with military grade night vision goggles have never ever reported seeing a reppy.

I didn't suggest you could see "reptiles" with them ... I was using that as an example of viewing beyond the 2 or 3%.

Are you denying night vision goggles (or infrared telescopes) show more than that which is available to the naked human eye???

That question is moot.

[Calz]

Posted by 1derer (here)
That question is moot.

Oh ... thank you for clearing up that one

[1derer]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
I'm not an Obama fan but he is not talking about that kind of "reptilian". He is talking about another concept. You would understand that if you were familiar with Robert Bly, the American poet. The idea is that the brain consists of three parts: the part just above the neck being the reptilian part (not side) which is fight or flee; the middle brain being the emotional part; and then the top part which they say we only use one tenth of. Energy can be channeled up and down through these parts by music; poetry; art; architecture etc. Listening to Frank Sinatra, for example, would stimulate the emotional brain; listening to heavy metal would stimulate the reptilian part; listen to Bach would stimulate the upper portion of the brain. That is what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with what David Icke is talking about.

If you can understand the above; you will know a great deal about how to communicate with people. For instance, have you noticed if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone they will get angry at you; but if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone with humour, they won't get angry. That is because you have stimulated the upper part of the brain with humour so they can't react with the lizard part of the brain.

I suggest you go back and view my video on page 2, yoi may have missed it........

I find that if you lie outright, it usually avoids all types of conflict

eg: "Oh your hair looks lovely today!" (it doesn't and I am dying to let you know...must stop base comments form emerging....must re...si...st!) Repsonse: Oh thanks (person gets a major boost, is happy and zero conflict)

[Carmody]

Posted by Carmody (here)

I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers.

Micheal Newton's regression hypnosis books on the subject of 'lives between lives' might have something to say about that.

Basically that the duality humans ARE containers. end. stop.

That this is a school.

and there may be some feeding going on at this school. a bit of theft, one might say. Since the being or bit lost is not a whole soul, it is a shard from a soul, well, this may constitute a feeding of a sort. Consequences... I'm not sure of.

They eat the equivalent of a leg, and it grows back. eventually.

however, according to Dolores cannon and her issuances in regression work, our 'enemy' may be aligned to take the world down a dark path of not graduating ...or taking as many as possible.

the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...and thus.... get a new body and remain as the damaged shard, which has gone bad..and does not want to 'die'. The tales of soul capture and soul transference. Humanity as a lesson learning system, gone bad..with an aid or help from nefarious quarters.

Remember, my trick (of recall) is to step inside them when they die in difficult situations...and get them to the right vibration so they go back to the source. Overlay.

They cannot be forced to go back....but if it is like that....it is corruption.

I expanded my post, so I'm going to post it again, in case some miss it.



Thus Dolores cannon's mentioned plan of adding huge numbers of incarnates...and moving the entire planet, as a way of staying within the boundaries of the bargain.

For you see...in Newton's books..he says that returning souls that have been evil..need to purge that out. And that is well, turned into something akin to interdimensional dust.

Neutralized.

The brutally evil, in ego, fear death greatly...and might become willingly connected to such nefarious and world defeating purposes.

Little doubt of that - if the conundrum became plain to them.

[Mark]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
If you can understand the above; you will know a great deal about how to communicate with people. For instance, have you noticed if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone they will get angry at you; but if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone with humour, they won't get angry. That is because you have stimulated the upper part of the brain with humour so they can't react with the lizard part of the brain.

Ahhhhhhhhh ... so that is the explanation for why comedians can say so many true things and make people laugh and not get in trouble for it. Thank you.

As an aside, there are many who do hold that the reptilian brain is actually a relic of genetic manipulation by Reptilians, implanted into the human genome in order to limit us. I do not know the truth of it of course, but it is another thing that is said.

[DNA]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out myself. If the Reptilians (whatever planet they're from, if they're Annunaki or not, if they're descendants of dinosauras or not)

I've read a lot of crazy sh!t in my time. And, it might sound weird, but I kind of pride myself in being able to see through the bull and recognizing truth, regardless of how outlandish the source.
One such source was the Lacerta Interview. It demands one to be capable of suspending one's disbelief to get anything out of it, and it kind of pushes one's thresh hold in that sense.

It only makes sense that reptillians are descendents of dinosaurs. If DNA is affected and orchestrated by tortion fields as David Wilcock suggests, then not only humans would be popping up all over the universe, but reptillians as well. So they having dinosaurs for ancestors does not mean they are necassarily of earth.

In the Lacerta interview it is stated that there are home grown earth reptillians, who try and mostly keep to them selves, and there are other races of reptillians throughout the universe doing their own thing just as there are humans out there doing their own thing.

Lacerta states that her race lives underground, and that they have evolved from a dinosaur creature some 65 million years ago.
She states that a very short while ago, about 200,000 years ago, the Annunaki (she didn't call them that) came down and manipulated our primitive ancestors.
She stated that this has gone on for quite some time, and that as the Annunaki would come and tinker with the race, they would comit genocide with the remaining members they did not want muddying up their experiment. It was said that this took place seven times before.
She didn't seem to think they were trying to perfect us so much as make us more controllable. She stated that telepathy for instance is practiced by most races, but we earth humans seem to have had the capacity for it genetically removed.
Further, earth humans seem to have had a switch installed in it's place, and the flipping of it is possible by some one with telepathy.
This makes it easy for them to appear to us as humans if they want to.
This ability would not extend to photo or video.

She said subsequent races have come and tinkered with our genetics and this agrees very much with what Charles Forte has said on this subject.

One of the reasons the Lacerta Interview sold me, was the little tid bits of information that corresponded with other tid bits of information I have come across.
For instance she mentioned that her people fly in cigar shaped craft, cylindrical craft.
It is widely believed by folks that the superstition mountains where I live very close to, have a reptillian base underneath.
I personally know 2 people, not from the internet, but from my personal life who have seen cigar shaped craft on that mountain.

Her descriptions of how they appear to shape shift being a form of telepathy not actual shape shifting, agrees very much with the work of Ingo Swann.
Her description of their sentry point station rooms above ground agree very much with a young woman's testimonial who had the misfortune of stumbling upon one while hiking in the superstition mountains one afternoon.

Also, her statement about UFOs being difficult to photograph due to the field that surrounds all true UFOs is echoed by the contacts Billy Meier has who was told by these contacts the same thing, and that the only reason he can photograph them is because they let him photograph them by turning the field off and making photography of a UFO possible.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

are all corporeal or astral or both.

I think it is important to never underestimate the power of technology when discussing these folks. Whitley Strieber talks about these folks being able to walk through walls, as does Jim Sparks. So I'm pretty sure they have some kind of phase technology.
It may sound impossible or ludicrous, but anything is possible if you give some science guys enough time, technology and money.

[Mike]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

[Jonathon]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Jonathon (here)
You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

If you really want to find value in a book, you have to 'get into it' - or buy into the 'truth' of it. Once you accept the reality of it (regardless), you are naturally inclined to consider it for what it is, not what you are. You cannot integrate and learn what you resist. If you aren't interested, that's OK too... but no sense beating around the bush about it. Move on to something that is more to your resonant level and maybe come back some other time. Your readiness for it doesn't have to be a point of friction with others' journey within it.

If we were to blindly follow without quesitioning, then we would end up buying mortgages that are ponzi schemes, and lose our very homes.....DOH

Well, my point is why fear being questioned, if you are so committed to the very suspension of belief you give, and why not admit to the fact that this is not actually as factual as you are being led up the garden path to believe?

Just as much as reppies living, why cant werewolves or faires or vampires live? And if you beleieve they do, then why cant I ask you your opinion on the matter without being belittled?

Why the particular choice of words? Why does someone need fear your questioning and what leads you to believe this is the case? From what I have seen, you aren't really asking anything so I'm not sure what there is to fear. This experience is conjuring up memories of playground "prove-it" challenges. My impression is that you feel you are backed into a corner somehow - if this is the case, please don't feel that way on my account. I with you for the win regardless.

Facts have nothing to do with truth - as fact is mere agreement - a representation of 'truth'. Your existence is no more or less factual. You are looking for physical proof from outside your self - it doesn't exist. That comes from within, which means you are going to have to do the work. Plenty of material on vamps and fairies too, if you are so bold

And yes, pardon my 'pop-up tent' comment - it seemed to be the level of answer you were seeking at the time.

[ponda]

DNA said:

In the Lacerta interview it is stated that there are home grown earth reptillians, who try and mostly keep to them selves, and there are other races of reptillians throughout the universe doing their own thing just as there are humans out there doing their own thing.

Very interesting DNA.

Here's a link to some of that interview transcript for anyone who is interested:

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/t...erta_files.htm

[DNA]

Posted by Carmody (here)
the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...

Wow, it's weird you would go here. I've been of the same opinion for a long time.
It is obvious to me that there is a fourth dimension. This fourth dimension is populated by the souls of those who wish to circumvent the natural order of things, they do not wish to participate in reincarnation. These souls ussually power their activities in the fourth dimension by "cording" a 3d life form.

In the fourth D, there is no connection to source, as such, you are not fed, you must feed your thinking mind with energy and to do so become a parasite.
The fourth D is very malleable, and very much responsive to the "Power of Intention". So it could be like a paradise if you had enough energy to sustain the environment you wished to create.

You make mention of moving souls from one body to another and I do not doubt that possibility. In so far as the realm of technology is concerned. But I propose that no body would be needed in many instances. If the greys were working for "fill in the blank" and wished to offer a power source of spiritual energy to these folks, they could circumvent the natural order of things for a very long time, and live in the fourth D.

Also,,,I'm a big fan of Michael Newton as well.