David Icke 2011

[modwiz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

I was being sincere. There is a good question in that comment.

well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer

When one considers the velociraptor and its mobility and seeming intelligence, coupled with the fact dinosaurs were warm blooded and not exactly the same as modern reptiles you can come up with intriguing musings. Even if they are not the correct story they do have some parallel validity in the way this Universe unfolds.

That is a whole other discussion that Carmody would be perfect for joining into.

[jackovesk]

Posted by modwiz (here)

When one considers the velociraptor and its mobility and seeming intelligence, coupled with the fact dinosaurs were warm blooded and nor exactly the same as modern reptiles you can come up with intriguing musings. Even if they are not the correst story they do have some parallel validity in the way this Universe unfolds.

That is a whole other discussion that Carmody would be perfect for joining into.

Just like humans have pets, so did the Repitilians...

[Calz]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer

Yes ... but can you ***prove it***???

[modwiz]

Posted by noprophet (here)
On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon.

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/p...fdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post366168

This post by Jacko has an answer to your question about the Romans. A very interesting one too.

[Mike]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer

Yes ... but can you ***prove it***???


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only if you have a functional alternate reality time machine, Calz

[Jonathon]

Thank you Cjay - I appreciate your comment. I would like to add too before I crawl into bed... let's no let this get too out of hand. I'm finding it difficult to say this without it being interpreted as condescending by 1Derer or any other (certainly don't intend to be), but we need to allow ourselves to empathize with all points of views. Facades such as forums sometimes create thicker 'walls' within. Not unlike the large metal boxes we drive in daily as we spew unmentionables at other metal boxes LOL. The sense of anonymity and protection can bring out the worst in people... they say and do things they would never do face to face. It's easy for us to forget who we are sometimes... and even easier to forget who someone else is.

I have been in what I believe to be 1Derer's position - I'm pretty sure I get where he is coming from. I have been shown a whole spectrum of reactions to what I would call now 'worthless' comments or responses I have made in the past. The ones I remember are the few most loving and constructive responses and quite a few of the not so nice ones (confrontive, humiliating etc). I can say without a doubt, the loving and constructive responses did me the absolute most good while those that humiliated or attacked worked to reinforce the problem by creating pain in some form. I'm also working on this as a parent - it's not so easy! =) I don't know that I've done that here, but my intention is to work on it.

Looks like the thread is moving on nicely.

Anyway - just wanted to share. Night all.

[Cjay]

Thanks Jonathon.

I would also like to acknowledge and thank 1derer for softening his communication style and showing an open mind.

[DNA]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...

Wow, it's weird you would go here. I've been of the same opinion for a long time.
It is obvious to me that there is a fourth dimension. This fourth dimension is populated by the souls of those who wish to circumvent the natural order of things, they do not wish to participate in reincarnation. These souls ussually power their activities in the fourth dimension by "cording" a 3d life form.

In the fourth D, there is no connection to source, as such, you are not fed, you must feed your thinking mind with energy and to do so become a parasite.
The fourth D is very malleable, and very much responsive to the "Power of Intention". So it could be like a paradise if you had enough energy to sustain the environment you wished to create.

You make mention of moving souls from one body to another and I do not doubt that possibility. In so far as the realm of technology is concerned. But I propose that no body would be needed in many instances. If the greys were working for "fill in the blank" and wished to offer a power source of spiritual energy to these folks, they could circumvent the natural order of things for a very long time, and live in the fourth D.

Also,,,I'm a big fan of Michael Newton as well.

I just wanted to add to this.

The Essenes stated as said by John Lash to have witnessed these "archons" when their meditations were the must succussful. They would warn their students about it. For it seemed these entities were drawn to folks who had attained a certain level and were intent upon disturbing this success.

The same can be said for Ayahuasca visionaries. Pablo Amaringo a famous painter of ayahuasca visions said he began to see UFOs more and more frequently, and the arrival of these intruders into his visions caused him to stop the ayahuasca meditations.

This follows suit with what Wilhelm Reich was saying about negative ETs showing up in saucers when he was conducting his experiments. He was convinced these saucers were parasatyzing the earth of it's orgon energy, and his use of this energy had drawn their attention.

This also stands to reason why Charles Forte would state that "differing alien cultures have traded us like so many beads through the course of the centuries, and that we are owned", this was why he called his 1919 book "the damned", this is a reference to our being owned, and our institutions and governments having been infiltrated by human agents for these folks.

I myself had a incident that was very remnicent of what the Essenes warned about. I had reached a place in my meditations were I witnessed something, and then seemed to be the recepient of some focused attacks for having had reached this place. The result was I didn't want to meditate anymore. And for the most part, I still don't. The full narrative is here on Avalon.

After about a year of interaction (with the folks) I had made some real break throughs so to speak.
Powerfull break throughs in consciousness and the arrangement of powers that over see our planet.
I became aware that we are multidimensional beings, but, it wasn't just that I was aware of that, it was that I was becoming capable of actualizing and manifesting into some of these dormant layers. At one point, I awoke in a setting where atrophied higher D layers of mankind stood still and lifeless and there before me was a type of walking stick humanoid, this walking stick humanoid was toiling amungst the higher D atrophied humans, he was harvesting a prize from these people,,,a energetic prize.
Intuitivelly I felt that mankind was a resource for alien cultures we know nothing of.
Wether this energy is used for casual day to day life I do not know,,,,but I don't think so.
Some part of me thinks it is used to sustain those who wish to live forever. Wether these long lived alien folks attempt their immortallity in physical bodies,,,or astral type bodies I do not know......................

It is worth noting I think, that I was coming out of a meditation, and I was still wearing my meditative vision.
And this is going to sound a little crazy, but, I saw what looked like energetic tentacles coming through the ceiling, searching for something.
When they seem to have found me, these attacks began.
These attacks were focused on my cerebellum,,,the top of the spine, where the second brain is so to speak.................

It really took the wind out of my meditations,,,and even now I don't really do them anymore................

The whole thing is very Matrix like.

[Calz]

To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.

Of particular interest to this thread is that under a controlled study (I believe the only one of it's kind to be "allowed") some of the subjects experienced "alien abductions" while in their beds. Make of that what you will.


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In 1990, I began the first new human research with psychedelic, or hallucinogenic, drugs in the United States in over 20 years. These studies investigated the effects of N,N-dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, an extremely short-acting and powerful psychedelic. During the project's five years, I administered approximately 400 doses of DMT to 60 human volunteers. This research took place at the University of New Mexico's School of Medicine in Albuquerque, where I was a tenured Associate Professor of Psychiatry.

I was drawn to DMT because of its presence in all of our bodies. Perhaps excessive DMT production, coming from the mysterious pineal gland, was involved in naturally occurring "psychedelic" states. These states might include birth, death and near-death, psychosis, and mystical experiences. Only later, while the study was well under way, did I also begin considering DMT's role in the "alien abduction" experience.

The DMT project was founded on cutting-edge brain science, especially the psychopharmacology of serotonin. However, my own background powerfully affected how we prepared people for, and supervised, their drug sessions. One of these was a decade-long relationship with a Zen Buddhist training monastery.

"DMT: The Spirit Molecule" reviews what we know about psychedelic drugs in general, and DMT in particular. It then traces the DMT research project from its earliest intimations through a maze of committees and review boards to its actual performance.

Our research subjects were healthy volunteers. The studies were not intended to be therapeutic, although all of us believed in the potentially beneficial properties of psychedelic drugs. The project generated a wealth of biological and psychological data, much of which I have already published in the scientific literature. On the other hand, I have written nearly nothing about the volunteers' stories. I hope these many excerpts from over 1000 pages of my bedside notes provide a sense of the remarkable emotional, psychological, and spiritual effects of this chemical.

Problems inside and outside of the research environment led to the end of these studies in 1995. Despite the difficulties we encountered, I am optimistic about the possible benefits of the controlled use of these drugs. Based upon what we learned in the New Mexico research, I offer a wide-ranging vision for DMT's role in our lives, and conclude by proposing a research agenda and optimal setting for future work with DMT and related drugs.

The late Willis Harman possessed one of the most discerning minds to apply himself to the field of psychedelic research. Earlier in his career, Willis had published the first and only scientific study using psychedelics to enhance the creative process. When I met him 30 years later in 1994, he was President of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, an organization founded by the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell. Mitchell's mystical experience, stimulated by viewing the Earth on his return home, inspired him to study phenomena outside the range of traditional science, which, nevertheless, might yield to a broader application of the scientific method.

During a long walk together along the central California coastal range one day, Dr. Harman said firmly, "At the very least, we must enlarge the discussion about psychedelics." It is in response to his request that I include highly speculative ideas and my own personal motivations for performing this research. This approach will satisfy no one in every respect. There is intense friction between what we know intellectually or even intuitively, and what we experience with the aid of DMT. As one of our volunteers exclaimed after his first high-dose session, "Wow! I never expected that!" Or, as Dogen, a thirteenth-century Japanese Buddhist teacher said, "We must always be disturbed by the truth." Enthusiasts of the psychedelic drug culture may dislike the conclusion that DMT has no beneficial effects in and of itself; rather, the context in which people take it is at least as important. Proponents of drug control may condemn what they read as encouragement to take psychedelic drugs and a glorification of the DMT experience. Practitioners and spokespersons of traditional religions may reject the suggestion that spiritual states can be accessed, and mystical information gained, through drugs. Those who have undergone "alien abduction," and their advocates, may interpret as a challenge to the "reality" of their experiences my suggestion that DMT is intimately involved in those events. Opponents and supporters of abortion rights may find fault with my proposal that pineal DMT release at 49 days after conception marks the entrance of the spirit into the fetus.

Brain researchers may object to the suggestion that DMT affects the brain's ability to receive information rather than generate those perceptions themselves. They also may dismiss the proposal that DMT can allow our brains to perceive dark matter or parallel universes, realms of existence inhabited by conscious entities.

However, if I did not describe all the ideas behind the DMT studies, and the entire range of our volunteers' experiences, I would not be telling the entire tale. At best, The Spirit Molecule would have little effect on the scope of discussion about psychedelics; at worst, the book would reduce the field. Nor would I be honest if I did not share my own speculations and theories based upon my decades of study, and listening to hundreds of DMT sessions. That is why I did it. That is what happened. And that is what I think about it.

In sum, it is so important for us to understand consciousness. It is just as important to place psychedelic drugs in general, and DMT in particular, into a personal and cultural matrix where we do the most good, and the least harm. In such a wide-open area of inquiry, it is best that we reject no ideas until we actually disprove them. It is in the interest of enlarging the discussion about psychedelic drugs that I have written "DMT: The Spirit Molecule."

http://www.rickstrassman.com/index.p...d=54&Itemid=54

[Mike]

wow, i can certainly relate to the attack on the cerebellum DNA. reading that gave me the shivers.

i have, since childhood, had a recurring experience - though it hasn't occurred for some time now. it happens usually while laying down to sleep. there is this sensation that i'm being dragged into what i can only describe as a dream-state, though i know it's something far more sinister than that. and i fight like hell to regain consciousness. this battle takes a massive effort, and each time i feel exceedingly fortunate to have snapped out of it.

it always occurs in the same spot too - the area right where my spine meets my skull. i feel like i'm being dragged into some black hole located right in this area. this seems to be the battleground.

[DNA]

Posted by noprophet (here)
On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon.

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/p...fdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing.

I'm only making a correlation here. The Terra Papers by Robert Morning Sky (free pdf) state some pretty crazy stuff, but, the correlation is in keeping with the thread topic.

Morning Sky wrote a alternative history to the earth. This alternative history is star wars meets Zacharia Sitchin, but for those who can suspend their disbelief there is some amazing reading here. The same story is given in so much that the Annunaki came to earth and inserted their own genetics into primitive man to create a new race of humans.

The interesting thing, is that Morning Sky claimed to have gotten the story from his Grandfather, an Apache Indian living in the American South West on a Reservation. The story goes that a UFO crash landed in the vicinity of the reservation, and that an injured alien was found their by MorningSky's grandfather. The being was taken back to camp and hidden from the American Government. As the being was nursed back to health he told an alternative story of creation and the history of man to Morningsky's grandfather and fellow tribesmmen.

He told Morningsky's grandfather that a war has been waged over the planet earth, and this war continues to this day.

The being said that the folks responsible for starting mankind were the SIRIANS, a mammalian race evolved from a wolf like animal.
They were said to be ferocious warriors.
So ferocious that they carved out a territory in the reptillian controlled galaxy that we live in.

So, to get back to the deal with Rome. Is it possible that some of these folks arrived on earth and influenced this culture being born?
Is the story of romulos and remus being raised by a wolf mother some how connected to the SIRIANS being evolved from a wolf like animal?

[modwiz]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by noprophet (here)
On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon.

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/p...fdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing.

I'm only making a correlation here. The Terra Papers by Robert Morning Sky (free pdf) state some pretty crazy stuff, but, the correlation is in keeping with the thread topic.

Morning Sky wrote a alternative history to the earth. This alternative history is star wars meets Zacharia Sitchin, but for those who can suspend their disbelief there is some amazing reading here. The same story is given in so much that the Annunaki came to earth and inserted their own genetics into primitive man to create a new race of humans.

The interesting thing, is that Morning Sky claimed to have gotten the story from his Grandfather, an Apache Indian living in the American South West on a Reservation. The story goes that a UFO crash landed in the vicinity of the reservation, and that an injured alien was found their by MorningSky's grandfather. The being was taken back to camp and hidden from the American Government. As the being was nursed back to health he told an alternative story of creation and the history of man to Morningsky's grandfather and fellow tribesmmen.

He told Morningsky's grandfather that a war has been waged over the planet earth, and this war continues to this day.

The being said that the folks responsible for starting mankind were the SIRIANS, a mammalian race evolved from a wolf like animal.
They were said to be ferocious warriors.
So ferocious that they carved out a territory in the reptillian controlled galaxy that we live in.

So, to get back to the deal with Rome. Is it possible that some of these folks arrived on earth and influenced this culture being born?
Is the story of romulos and remus being raised by a wolf mother some how connected to the SIRIANS being evolved from a wolf like animal?

How about Sirius being the Dog Star. Dogs are wolf like. The people who claim decent from the Sirians and knew of Sirius-B before science did are the Dogon. Doggonit, there is that wolf thingy again.

I like your questions DNA. I am sure this is one of the threads of the unknown tapestry of our history.

[DNA]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspiscion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

[Carmody]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Let's assume for a moment that this is indeed true. Let's also assume that Sitchin was right about the human race being tampered with, nudged, and prodded by some kind of Annunaki or Prometheus or whatever. Then it becomes easy to speculate that the reptiles have also been tampered with and nudged. The question then becomes, by whom and for what purpose? How do these agendas intersect, compliment , or conflict? Fun to think about.

Heheh, indeed. Ever heard the term, panspermia?

Perhaps it has been occurring since time immemorial, as the movies, channeling and common lore are beginning to agree upon. That the seeding of a planet and the genetic manipulation of lower-order primates is done in order to house evolving souls. That it continues from system to system, planet to planet, race to race. I personally am coming to the conclusion that we ALL here are descended partly from earth stock, but that we have been manipulated with different degrees of alien stock at different times for different purposes. Add to that our own intermingling and you've got quite the potpourri of genetic wealth.

If the aliens in external merkabas (UFOs) are here just to mine that, it would be enough, imho. This planet and its biology must be a gold mine of potentiality.

We are on the beach, we are the turtles, they are the seagulls.

Or something like that.

[Carmody]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspicion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is part of the topic of this thread.

Which goes into northern Scotland.


Obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

Obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

The line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

On a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

[DNA]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is the topic of this thread.

which goes into northern Scotland.

obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

the line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

on a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

That's so cool. The superstitions have an immense amount of energy coming off of them in my opinion. I find the energy much more satisfying than say Sedona.
Folks rave about the energy in Sedona but me personally I'll take the superstitions any day.
I've heard some ley lines carry different energy. And some folks are more receptive to one energy or another.

Thanks Carmody, Take Care

[Carmody]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is the topic of this thread.

which goes into northern Scotland.

obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

the line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

on a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

That's so cool. The superstitions have an immense amount of energy coming off of them in my opinion. I find the energy much more satisfying than say Sedona.
Folks rave about the energy in Sedona but me personally I'll take the superstitions any day.
I've heard some ley lines carry different energy. And some folks are more receptive to one energy or another.

Thanks Carmody, Take Care

It's all about additive harmonics, the earth being struck like a bell..and all these different shapes being excited in the 'shpere' that the earth is. I've put that all in other threads.... somewhere on this forum.


each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

This is why bases and the like are on the main UVG grid points, as they are like portals to the larger number of destinations and dimensions. A central station of sorts, if you will. These points also allow certain amount of command/access/influence of the earth grid or energy levels and types.

the Great pyramid is located in the center pint of the mass of the earth's surface. it is the starting point for the grid proper, the original one considered. So far, it is holding true, with regard to explaining the rest. as you can abundantly see.

If you take a sphere and place a small tip of external material of the right resonant shape..and then use that sphere as the top of a huge 'van de graaff ' generator, all the electricity will spike and discharge off that one tip..and any energetic flow and forms will originate and be connected to that tiny bump. For it is the leakage point of the surface, the electrostatic connection to the entire outer charge differential that is outside of the sphere proper.

Since the pyramid was at the most important point, it might be considered the greatest access point and then the whole star pointing thing about Sirius and Orion, etc,involving the pyramid.

The center mass point of the SURFACE of the earth is that point of the great pyramid.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

So... the earth cannot vibrate dimensionally or or have any sort of access that is not involved in that point on the globe. Everything, dimensionally, access wise..is connected to the great pyramid's specific location in 3d space and time, on this globe we call earth.

It could have also served as a lock on our evolution, or something else entirely.

My third life memory was of my last day on earth, in the roman occupation of Egypt. I broke that thing so it could never be used again. Good or bad, I don't know, but break it I did. Cost me my life.

also that if one inverts Einstein's equations, which remain valid (Eisenstein admitted that he could have gotten the 'sign' wrong. ie +/- aspect being incorrect), they get to a situation where mass dissolves, in one conceptual aspect ... becomes ephemeral. which John hutchison's experiments seem to be indicating--as they are all about additive harmonics.

That not the mass of the universe is required to reach light speed..but that as one approaches light speed, mass and 3d time/space dimensional connection of said materials or atomic particles...decreases to zero.

The structure of differentials between various atomic particles is measured in electron volts but this is also translatable, regarding light speed connections, to rate of change, or delta.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.

The pyramid is a giant physical piezoelectric accelerator/resonator of such dimensional energies. Due to it's location, and 3d construction.

Then back to these localized ley line aspects and issues. The same, but milder, different. Specific frequencies/harmonics, specific dimensional involvements.

[1derer]

So I found this video on the toobs, and wondered what the reppy fans think of it?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kur36SWZhsA

Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

[Kristin]

1derer,
I understand completely how you feel. I would also be having the same things to say about this seemingly insane premise... Reptilians ruling the Earth, COME ON!!! However, I have one issue that led me to this thread in the first place. I've seen a reptilian up close and personal. Now I am left trying to place that experience in what was once my perception of reality. What happened is that my perception had to change and expand. The other choice I have is to ignore completely what I experienced; which I know is fact, and pretend for the rest of my life when in my heart I know what I saw. I do not know who the reptilians are or what their agenda is first hand, but I know they exist. Plan and simple. So I live my truth as best I can. I would rather be honest about it then hide and feel afraid to ask questions and explore the subject. I hope this helps you to understand that some of us do not have a choice as you do.

I honestly would find it easier to have not seen a reptilian; however that would not leave me to discredit the work that Icke is doing. If you take out the word "Reptilian" and replace it with something less floral I would still agree with a majority of what Icke says. I realize that this is a hot and cold subject. I hope that this post helps in that we need to talk about our disagreements with respect for all opinions. I really respect yours and where you are coming from on this... I wish I could fell the same... but since I got the evidence I needed to believe, without looking for it, I guess I'm stuck here wondering why, who, and what.

Happy Hunting,
Wormhole

[Carmody]

Posted by 1derer (here)
Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

I suggest you get ahold of yourself.

You are either unaware, or semi-aware and deliberately causing interference, or still in the pre-panic stage of finding this stuff ...and trying to figure it out.