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    Quote Posted by Zillah (here)
    PS: Obama only has a few days to make up his mind. Will you urge your friends to pressure him too?[/I]
    How is Obama going to veto anything if he´s going on a 17 days vacations?

    http://www.infowars.com/barack-obama...ll-around-him/

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    Kindred-just tried link and it said webpage not found. I would enjoy reading that info though- maybe it will work for you and you can post it here. - I'm out of spare time right now, I'll check back later today.
    I've just updated the link in that post, and I'll provide it here: http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/prophesy.html

    I've noted several sites that have minor variations of this same article, some reflect the original I had exactly, this one appears to call the 'angel', "a singularly beautiful being", whereas the original described the angel as "a singularly beautiful woman". Still another described this angel as "a singularly beautiful thing". Hard to say exactly which is correct, but lean to either the first or second 'interpretation'.

    On Another Note! I've come across an article that may put a terribly new spin on the objections posed by the White House:
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/...t-liberty.html

    I don't know how accurate this is, but if so, then it portends of a Terrible Fraud upon the American Public.

    In Unity and Peace

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    Quote Posted by Zillah (here)
    PS: Obama only has a few days to make up his mind. Will you urge your friends to pressure him too?[/I]
    How is Obama going to veto anything if he´s going on a 17 days vacations?

    http://www.infowars.com/barack-obama...ll-around-him/

    Cheers,

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    That is certainly a good question...let's see!

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    I've read the article of Benjamin and thought that eventhough the whole thing would be a pure bluff of Benjamin and cs., I do think a lot of corrupt people in high places could become somewhat paranoid because of his writings. That along with the implicit messagesa about the corrupt people's actions will make a lot of people more aware. For me that is a reason to cheer for Benjamin. I really believe he is trying for the best atm. Though skeptic if everything he says will be met eventually, nontheless full of hope.

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    Obama was also against illegal spying by telecoms on citizens, until he was later ok with it.

    Concerning a veto possibility, I will quote from my favorite constitutional lawyer blogger:

    http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_gr...aumf/singleton

    Quote President Obama’s possible veto of Levin/McCain

    Most media discussions of Levin/McCain assert that President Obama has threatened to veto it. That is not quite true: the White House’s statement on this bill uses language short of a full-on veto threat: “the President’s senior advisers [will] recommend a veto.” Moreover, former Bush DOJ official Jack Goldsmith makes a persuasive (though not dispositive) case that it is unlikely that the President would veto this bill. Most likely, it seems to me, is that the veto threat will be used to extract concessions in order to have a bill that the President will sign.

    Let’s be very clear, though, about what the “veto threat” is and is not. All things considered, I’m glad the White House is opposing this bill rather than supporting it. But, with a few exceptions, the objections raised by the White House are not grounded in substantive problems with these powers, but rather in the argument that such matters are for the Executive Branch, not the Congress, to decide. In other words, the White House’s objections are grounded in broad theories of Executive Power. They are not arguing: it is wrong to deny accused Terrorists a trial. Instead they insist: whether an accused Terrorist is put in military detention rather than civilian custody is for the President alone to decide. Over and over, the White House’s statement emphasizes Executive power as the basis for its objections to Levin/McCain:

    Broadly speaking, the detention provisions in this bill micromanage the work of our experienced counterterrorism professionals, including our military commanders, intelligence professionals, seasoned counterterrorism prosecutors, or other operatives in the field. These professionals have successfully led a Government-wide effort to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qa’ida and its affiliates and adherents over two consecutive Administrations. The Administration believes strongly that it would be a mistake for Congress to overrule or limit the tactical flexibility of our Nation’s counterterrorism professionals.

    It’s certainly possible that the administration is simply offering these Executive Power arguments as a fig leaf to hide their more politically difficult substantive objections to expanding the War on Terror. But that seems unlikely in the extreme, given that — as I have documented — most of these powers are ones expressly claimed and used already by the Obama administration. Does anyone believe that the same President who kills his own citizens without a whiff of due process or transparency is suddenly so concerned about the imperatives of due process? Indeed, Marcy Wheeler has repeatedly suggested that, in some important respects, Levin/McCain could actually limit Executive Power beyond what the Obama DOJ has seized, and for that reason, has mixed feelings about the Udall amendment to remove it:

    As I have repeatedly described, I have very mixed feelings about the debate over Detainee Provisions set to pass the Senate tonight or tomorrow. I view it as a fight between advocates of martial law and advocates of relatively unchecked Presidential power. And as I’ve pointed out, the SASC compromise language actually limits Presidential power as it has been interpreted in a series of secret OLC opinions.

    I’m willing to believe that there is genuine White House opposition to having the military detain and imprison U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, and that’s commendable if true (though it’s a sign of just how extremist our government is that we’re grateful for that). Indeed, the Obama administration has opted for civilian trials for accused Terrorists captured on U.S. soil (outside of Padilla, so, too, did the Bush DOJ, and even Padilla was eventually charged). But by and large the White House’s objections are not to these powers but — explicitly — to the idea that Congress rather than the President can dictate how they are exercised. The White House isn’t defending due process or limited war; it’s defending broad Executive prerogatives to prosecute the war without Congressional interference.

    In that regard, the “debate” over this bill has taken on the standard vapid, substance-free, anti-democratic form that shapes most Washington debates. Even Democratic opponents of the bill, such as Mark Udall, have couched their opposition in these Executive Power arguments: that it’s better for National Security if the CIA, the Pentagon and the DOJ decides what is done with Terrorists, not Congress. In other words, the debate has entailed very little discussion of whether these powers are dangerous or Constitutional, and has instead focused almost entirely on which of Our Nation’s Strong National Security Experts should make these decisions (one of the few exceptions to this is Rand Paul, who, continuing in his New-Russ-Feingold role on these issues, passionately argued why these powers are such a menace to basic Constitutional guarantees). In sum, the debate is over who in the National Security Priesthood should get to decide which accused Terrorist suspects are denied due process, not whether they should be.

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    Quote Posted by Zillah (here)
    I just got this in my inbox:

    Obama has days to decide whether to veto the National Defense Authorization Act.

    It's an unimaginable violation of due process: The Senate just voted to allow the military to detain American citizens indefinitely -- without even charging them with a crime -- if they are said to be suspected of terrorism.

    Will join more than 80,000 others by urging President Obama to veto this legislation? He only has a few days to make up his mind.

    As Senator Dianne Feinstein put it, "Congress is essentially authorizing the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein."

    Thankfully, President Obama has threatened to veto the bill, noting that:

    Applying this military custody requirement to individuals inside the United States, as some Members of Congress have suggested is their intention, would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets.

    Obama only has a few days to make up his mind: Will you urge him to make good on his veto threat? Just click here -- we're already 80,000 strong.

    We live in interesting times.

    -Demand Progress

    PS: Obama only has a few days to make up his mind. Will you urge your friends to pressure him too?
    Shiiiiiiiiiiiit 80,000 strong , how about 80,000 weak , theres 360 million people living in the U.S

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    More confusion. I thought amendment No. 1274 which would have allowed the U.S. government to detain an American citizen indefinitely, was voted down and is not in the bill?

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    Misreading the Fight over Military Detention: The Obama Regime Has No Constitutional Scruples

    The amendment permits indefinite detention of US citizens by the US military...

    Paul Craig Roberts
    December 5, 2011

    During an interview with RT on December 1, I said that the US Constitution had been shredded by the failure of the US Senate to protect American citizens from the detainee amendment sponsored by Republican John McCain and Democrat Carl Levin to the Defense Authorization Bill.

    The amendment permits indefinite detention of US citizens by the US military. I also gave my opinion that the fact that all but two Republican members of the Senate had voted to strip American citizens of their constitutional protections and of the protection of the Posse Comitatus Act indicated that the Republican Party had degenerated into a Gestapo Party.

    These conclusions are self-evident, and I stand by them.

    However, I jumped to conclusions when I implied that the Obama regime opposes military detention on constitutional grounds.

    Ray McGovern and Glenn Greenwald might have jumped to the same conclusions.

    An article by Dahlia Lithwick in Slate reported that the entire Obama regime opposed the military detention provision in the McCain/Levin amendment. Lithwick wrote: “The secretary of defense, the director of national intelligence, the director of the FBI, the CIA director, and the head of the Justice Department’s national security division have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the bill are a bad idea. And the White House continues to say that the president will veto the bill if the detainee provisions are not removed.”

    I checked the URLs that Lithwick supplied. It is clear that the Obama regime objects to military detention, and I mistook this objection for constitutional scruples.

    Quote However, on further reflection I conclude that the Obama regime’s objection to military detention is not rooted in concern for the constitutional rights of American citizens. The regime objects to military detention because the implication of military detention is that detainees are prisoners of war. As Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin put it: Should somebody determined “to be a member of an enemy force who has come to this nation or is in this nation to attack us as a member of a foreign enemy, should that person be treated according to the laws of war? The answer is yes.”

    Detainees treated according to the laws of war have the protections of the Geneva Conventions. They cannot be tortured. The Obama regime opposes military detention, because detainees would have some rights. These rights would interfere with the regime’s ability to send detainees to CIA torture prisons overseas. This is what the Obama regime means when it says that the requirement of military detention denies the regime “flexibility.”
    The Bush/Obama regimes have evaded the Geneva Conventions by declaring that detainees are not POWs, but “enemy combatants,” “terrorists,” or some other designation that removes all accountability from the US government for their treatment.

    By requiring military detention of the captured, Congress is undoing all the maneuvering that two regimes have accomplished in removing POW status from detainees.

    A careful reading of the Obama regime’s objections to military detention supports this conclusion.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...s_20111117.pdf

    The November 17 letter to the Senate from the Executive Office of the President says that the Obama regime does not want the authority it has under the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), Public Law 107-40, to be codified. Codification is risky, the regime says. “After a decade of settled jurisprudence on detention authority, Congress must be careful not to open a whole new series of legal questions that will distract from our efforts to protect the country.”

    In other words, the regime is saying that under AUMF the executive branch has total discretion as to who it detains and how it treats detainees. Moreover, as the executive branch has total discretion, no one can find out what the executive branch is doing, who detainees are, or what is being done to them. Codification brings accountability, and the executive branch does not want accountability.

    Those who see hope in Obama’s threatened veto have jumped to conclusions if they think the veto is based on constitutional scruples.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is the father of Reaganomics and the former head of policy at the Department of Treasury. He is a columnist and was previously an editor for the Wall Street Journal.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/misreadi...-scruples.html
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    I don't know if any of you have seen the blog from Kerry on Project Camelot from December 1...The Truth is Out There : Layers of the Onion and Richard C. Hoagland. It's about Richard Hoagland but this is an except from that blog:

    Quote People have got to realize that in this quest for the truth there are two major aspects... one is gathering and reporting the data, another is interpreting it!! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMEONE'S CONCLUSIONS OR INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA IS NO REASON TO THROW OUT THE ACTUAL FACTS PRESENTED. Learning to discern, cross-correlate and understand the complexities of right and wrong, who the good guys are etc is an intense discipline and takes years of experience, a level of detachment and discernment that few people are able to master at this time.

    For example, both David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland prefer to see Obama as a good guy... They are fighting against all odds and appearances to maintain this perspective but this doesn't make them "liars". What it does indicate is that they are seeing levels of secrecy beyond the obvious. And, they are coming to this conclusion based on what they think they know.

    My take on Obama is that as a soul he has a choice, he came in to play the game on the side of the masters (so-called) and in order to stay alive and move through the levels of the game he must appear to be on the dark side. He may in the process have been compromised and joined them. On the other hand he may at some point reveal himself to be on the side of the light by, in some strategic moment coming out with something so devastating he will get himself killed doing it. This is the Kennedy dilemma facing him. Now, all indicators are that he has gone over to the dark side and is completely compromised. However, this game is nothing if not a Hall of Mirrors. So I keep an open mind in regard to all players and all information going forward... watch and listen carefully.

    There is no doubt if you follow the White Hat Reports that Obama is taking pay-offs, stealing money and stashing it... but why? This is the question you need to ask. Many White Hats MUST PARADE THEMSELVES AS OF THE DARK in order to complete their mission. So keep this in mind.
    I'm no longer sure what to think about Obama...but I find Kerry's take on it something to consider. I believe everything is not all black and white, and like it's been said...the lie (truth) is different at every level.

    Thanks for the info jackovesk.

    ooops... sorry about the name.
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    Quote Posted by Zillah (here)
    I just got this in my inbox:

    Obama has days to decide whether to veto the National Defense Authorization Act.

    It's an unimaginable violation of due process: The Senate just voted to allow the military to detain American citizens indefinitely -- without even charging them with a crime -- if they are said to be suspected of terrorism.

    Will join more than 80,000 others by urging President Obama to veto this legislation? He only has a few days to make up his mind.

    As Senator Dianne Feinstein put it, "Congress is essentially authorizing the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein."

    Thankfully, President Obama has threatened to veto the bill, noting that:

    Applying this military custody requirement to individuals inside the United States, as some Members of Congress have suggested is their intention, would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets.

    Obama only has a few days to make up his mind: Will you urge him to make good on his veto threat? Just click here -- we're already 80,000 strong.

    We live in interesting times.

    -Demand Progress

    PS: Obama only has a few days to make up his mind. Will you urge your friends to pressure him too?
    She still voted for the bill she is complaining about here. I'd like to clean out my cat box and throw something at her.

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    Quote Posted by jp11 (here)
    I don't know if any of you have seen the blog from Kerry on Project Camelot from December 1...The Truth is Out There : Layers of the Onion and Richard C. Hoagland. It's about Richard Hoagland but this is an except from that blog:

    Quote People have got to realize that in this quest for the truth there are two major aspects... one is gathering and reporting the data, another is interpreting it!! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMEONE'S CONCLUSIONS OR INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA IS NO REASON TO THROW OUT THE ACTUAL FACTS PRESENTED. Learning to discern, cross-correlate and understand the complexities of right and wrong, who the good guys are etc is an intense discipline and takes years of experience, a level of detachment and discernment that few people are able to master at this time.

    For example, both David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland prefer to see Obama as a good guy... They are fighting against all odds and appearances to maintain this perspective but this doesn't make them "liars". What it does indicate is that they are seeing levels of secrecy beyond the obvious. And, they are coming to this conclusion based on what they think they know.

    My take on Obama is that as a soul he has a choice, he came in to play the game on the side of the masters (so-called) and in order to stay alive and move through the levels of the game he must appear to be on the dark side. He may in the process have been compromised and joined them. On the other hand he may at some point reveal himself to be on the side of the light by, in some strategic moment coming out with something so devastating he will get himself killed doing it. This is the Kennedy dilemma facing him. Now, all indicators are that he has gone over to the dark side and is completely compromised. However, this game is nothing if not a Hall of Mirrors. So I keep an open mind in regard to all players and all information going forward... watch and listen carefully.

    There is no doubt if you follow the White Hat Reports that Obama is taking pay-offs, stealing money and stashing it... but why? This is the question you need to ask. Many White Hats MUST PARADE THEMSELVES AS OF THE DARK in order to complete their mission. So keep this in mind.
    I'm no longer sure what to think about Obama...but I find Kerry's take on it something to consider. I believe everything is not all black and white, and like it's been said...the lie (truth) is different at every level.

    Thanks for the info jackovest.
    IMHO this is where (David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland & Kerry Cassidy's) opinion/argument becomes 'Unstuck'..!

    Obama is a 'Puppet' who reads a 'Teleprompter' Nothing More, Nothing Less..!

    ...at the end of the day Obama says e.g. "My job is done, now when is my next holiday"...






    Obama 'Playing Golf' on (Memorial Day)..!

    (Cheers Guys)
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    ok...got it. glad that's just your opinion though.

    me I'm still waiting to see. And about the next vacation, Obama hasn't taken as much time as Bush at this point...but then what does that have to do with anything right?

    I'm not into politics, just want the damn mess to change.

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    The article on George Washingtons vision gave me goosebumps and shivers down the spine,also some hope for a decnt outcome of our current prediciment. There should be no doubt that we're riding the most evil rollercoaster ever, and things will get worse before we get finished. Long ago I read a article about during the writing of constitution during a point of impass a mysterious unknown figure showed up on the balcony. The figure spoke and gave the solution for the problem and they were able to finalise the document. When everyone went to find and thank him he had vanished. There were armed guards at every door, yet nobody entered or exited during that time. Divine Intervention indeed!!

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    Sometimes the truth (lack there of) hurts. Time to detox, n'est-ce pas?


    Just sayin....
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    ok...got it. glad that's just your opinion though.

    me I'm still waiting to see. And about the next vacation, Obama hasn't taken as much time as Bush at this point...but then what does that have to do with anything right?

    I'm not into politics, just want the damn mess to change.
    sounds like your polorized; you need to dis-engauge yourself from the democratic party.. don't even think of your SELF as a democrat (brand identification is a control mech.)

    no politician will EVER make it onto the mainstream media with out first completely selling out.... Obama will not do anything out of the norm; he cannot; he's been groomed for a long time to be what he is & its working perfectly.
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    Quote Posted by crested-duck (here)
    The article on George Washingtons vision gave me goosebumps and shivers down the spine,also some hope for a decnt outcome of our current prediciment.
    Divine Intervention indeed!!
    Yes... humankind is watched over. Not completely, nor interfering with Free Will, but only when necessary.

    I remain hopeful and committed to Unity and Peace.

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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    I mean, the key persons inside these places are indeed indicated by the presidential office itself, which makes harder (even deadly) for insiders with good intentions to take serious actions against the government.
    That is actually the leverage point, that the most criminal elements are at the key positions. So if the vast numbers of underlings withdraw their support and participation in a concerted effort, the house of card collapses.

    It's the often repeated point:
    Rise like Lions after slumber
    In unvanquishable number,
    Shake your chains to earth like dew
    Which in sleep had fallen on you -
    Ye are many - they are few.
    PS
    This teleprompter picture allegedly in front of 6th graders is not real, is it?
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    If Obama was good; something good would be happening. Its not. That's it.

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    I think we all know what TPTB want to do with the constitution

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    They can spray it over all they like, What they forget is it is written not only on paper but in the hearts of millions of American Citizens and many of those in authority.

    Have no doubt, Hearts will overcome.

    Peace

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    If Obama was good; something good would be happening. Its not. That's it.
    I'd like to see just one good thing Obama has done for people to continue to have so much faith in him.

    I think it was a dream of a few years ago, when people were so desperate for a nice story that they were easily sold a fake one. But it's time to wake up now. Obama has failed to deliver ANYTHING that we hoped he would. Not one thing. So to entertain fantasies about 'oh, but maybe he's really light pretending to be dark, or temporarily caught up in the dark...etc..." are just fairy stories we're entertaining ourselves with in order to put off the inevitable ...although they are a shining example, if we need one, of the labyrinthine hoops the mind is capable of jumping through when it doesn't want to WAKE UP!

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