David Icke 2011

[eric charles]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Maybe, Eric IS a reptile and he is trying to cover for his buddies. He doth protesteth too much, methinks.

How's that for a conspiracy theory, eh? I threw that last word in for you, Canadian Nugget.

hihihihhihi Ill protest to rubbish thats for sure modwiz , I agree with His zionists and their control mechanism views , and even believe about some sort of E.T agenda behind it , but to say that he personally seen a person transforme into a reptile hmmmmm not sure about that , i have a hard time grasping these types of claims

[Carmody]

Posted by childs hood end (here)
Its working fine now,

Yeah! mine says; Buy Viagra from David Icke and dazzle your Reptilian girlfriend!
Ha Ha,,, Nice one,,,,,

was no pop up calz as it had a pic of D.I. on the page,,

peace.

Never waste your time on and in the act of attempting to return and invigorate the cold and frigid.

[DNA]

Posted by Violet (here)
Can't believers give us a simple and practical guide for recognizing reptilians. I've heard they don't like orgonite and then there was some other tool to do with frequencies and stuff...

Just, you know, something we can work with.

That would be counter prodcutive to the extreme in my opinion.

We are talkiing about folks who can read your mind. Possess superior strength and apparently vast superior technology, such that would make them indistinguishable to fictional characters that can practice magic.

It has been stated by Val Valarien in his second Matrix book that there is a correlation between the Harry Potter movies and the reptilian conspiracy.

I suppose this is true.

If you look at a group of humans living on planet who know the "truth" and are acting as agents for a group of beings controlling the earth's sector of the galaxy then yes it seems there are parrallels.

Would these beings have "blood" relations to the controllers of this sector of space and feel it important to dwell upon the concentration of that blood in the body in the same way as illustrated in the Potter movies?

All in all you can't really go hunt for these folks. What you would need to do is start by genetically altering a human being so as to not be constrained by the apparent genetic modifications made by the Annunaki. You would need to start on an organic basis.
You would need humans who are telepathic themselves and who would not be so easilly controlled via telepathy as Ingo Swann has pointed out and to some degree as David Jacobs has pointed out.

I think Ingo Swann said it best when he described seeing an alien that appeared to be a woman at a grocery store in his book "penetration". It is a bodily knowing. If your a sensitive and you pick up on stuff, then you would just know.

This happened to me "only once" I was fifteen, working in a 4 star restaurant and a imaculant beautifull women came in with her beautifull imaculannt daughter of three or four.

I "knew" beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not human. And here is the clincher,,,,I recieved a polite request in my mind to "keep your distance". So I did, I was working the section those folks were in and I did the bare minimum, stayed away and never directly looked at them after that.

This is what Ingo states is your best indicater,,,if your a senstive it is something you feel on a bodily level.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

And if the groups that have not figured out higher dimensional access are subject to control by the Archons who seem to be fully incorporeal .

let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?


only in good standing with God can we stand against evil spirits in this cosmic conflict between the powers of good and the forces of evil

God came down to destroy the works of the devil and his legions and Christ on the Cross accomplished this


God can of course destroy the devil and evil in the twinkling of an eye but God plays by the Book

meaning God respects His spiritual and physical laws

[Carmody]

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.
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Attachment 11738

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Excellent book. I would like to share some personal observations. Due to the nature of the study, the experiences people had while under the influence of DMT were limited. As shamans have used this neurotransmitter in ayahuasca brews for thousands of years, they have applied a much more sacred and ritualistic approach to imbibing it. Mental schema, mind-set and physical setting all play a role in the nature of the journey that is experienced while using these substances. One particularly horrifying result written about by Mr. Strassman in this book involves a vision that one of his test subjects had, who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles. Another person started seizing during their journey and saw Mr. Strassman and his assistant in an entirely different way. The doctor had taken on a more mechanical appearance, resembling a cold-emotionless android who was allowing a bunch of test subjects to board an alien ship for unscheduled examinations. His assistant's face had mutated into a horrifying and decaying clown-face and I'm fairly certain the lighting had also changed into the topographical noir-scale of waking tryptamine consciousness. It should be noted that these tests were performed intravenously, instead of consuming the neurotransmitter orally with an MAO inhibitor or by smoking it. Their excuse was that they wanted to control the exact dosage.

If anything, this second vision provided me valuable insight as to why so (relatively) little was accomplished through these studies. Because of the doctors lack of personal involvement with the patients (explorers), he was not able to figure out what was going on symbolically and integrally regarding his patients.

Magic is simply not conducive to the rigid scientific method in a corporate and sterile environment. If one really wants to know more about DMT and dark shamanism, I would suggest reading Terence McKenna.

"who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles"

If I'm in a highly sensitive state,and I eat meat..deepening on how much the meat was processed, etc..I can and do sometimes take on the death moment and death throes of the mind set and emotions of the given animal that I'm consuming.

It lasts for about 1.5 to 2 hours, in most instances.

Vibration, chemical, DNA and Lamarckism. Sheldrake's Morphic fields, etc.

[Lisab]

For those that may find difficulty in believing that the Royal Family are in any way reptilian, satanic or just plain evil ask the Mohawk's of Canada on whose intelligence is being insulted. I pray for justice.

[DNA]

Posted by RedeZra (here)


let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?


only in good standing with God can we stand against evil spirits in this cosmic conflict between the powers of good and the forces of evil

God came down to destroy the works of the devil and his legions and Christ on the Cross accomplished this


God can of course destroy the devil and evil in the twinkling of an eye but God plays by the Book

meaning God respects His spiritual and physical laws

Red, God doesn't love you or I anymore than he loves the reptilians, or the archons, or the greys.


If God is the component in the torsian fields that affect all genetic manifestation, then God is pretty equal opputunity on who he lavishes his attentions on.

[Mark]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?

Love that quote. It's actually a mis-translation, but close enough. It always resonated with me and I've used it quite a bit in discussing issues of the Archons. Have you read the Nag Hammadi, RedeZra? The Dead Sea Scrolls? Your beliefs seem quite Gnostic to me.

There does seem to be some confusion between Archons and Reptilians and Greys. If the Archons are both or if they are beyond them. If they are beyond, are they also influencing those groups? Interesting stuff.

[RedeZra]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)


let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?

Red, God doesn't love you or I anymore than he loves the reptilians, or the archons, or the greys.

this sounds like a personal opinion or an emotional imagination


according to the Bible God made a special mansion for these fallen spirits into which they try to trick us to join them

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath

[Kristin]

My experience was in the middle of the afternoon, I turned to find one of these reptiles (HUGE) crouched down so it was at my eye level and grinning at me. I was not only shocked but I felt like a turkey in a cage with a tiger. It was only five feet away from me. It had a long tail and was swishing it back and forth like a cat about to strike (VERY HEAVY AND SOLID). I had a verbal WTF reaction as my heart was ponding out of my chest, then poof... it was gone in seconds. Never saw it again. I was NOT on drugs, I was NOT drinking or anything... I was very clear and in control of myself.
Years later I was shocked as I ran into this while investigating UFO's. In fact I had forgotten about it for some time as 20 years had passed. Now I find that I'm not the only one... I have no idea as to who they are or what they are up to, but I find some things interesting and congruent with my story in terms of my family background and the Masonic connection.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[RedeZra]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?

Love that quote. It's actually a mis-translation, but close enough.

that depends on which version we read ; )

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Your beliefs seem quite Gnostic to me.

i'm Christianity mainstream whatever that means hehe

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
There does seem to be some confusion between Archons and Reptilians and Greys.

perhaps Archons or fallen spirits who can manifest are collaborating with the PTB in underground labs making humanoid hybrids

[Mark]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
perhaps Archons or fallen spirits who can manifest are collaborating with the PTB in underground labs making humanoid hybrids

Perhaps that is so. I have no problems equating discarnate entities with demons. Whatever is going on, these entities beyond the ken of regular sight know us humans intimately. They know our thoughts, they know our true history, they know how we think and they know exactly what our weakenesses are. Whether they are high-technology entities who are billions of years or aeons old, who are magical/scientific/spiritual adepts that manipulate humanity for energetic or physical reasons, whether they are in a battle with other entities of another orientation, whether there really is no difference between science fiction, fantasy or the real world beyond the illusion, it makes no difference when it comes down to us and our connection to that Higher Source that you choose to recognize through the lens of "mainstream Christianity".

i've read your posts elsewhere and smile when I see people trying to argue with you when they pretty much believe the same thing, they just don't use the same language you do.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
perhaps Archons or fallen spirits who can manifest are collaborating with the PTB in underground labs making humanoid hybrids

Perhaps that is so. I have no problems equating discarnate entities with demons. Whatever is going on, these entities beyond the ken of regular sight know us humans intimately.

i think you're right in that they know us very well

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
i've read your posts elsewhere and smile when I see people trying to argue with you when they pretty much believe the same thing, they just don't use the same language you do.

i've noticed this too

it's hard to be Christianity mainstream in an Alternative setting

but it's just a label

[1derer]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
There is plenty of information and resources out and about the Net across about the Reptilians, both material and ethereal. If you would like more information about them, all you have to do is go to google and wade through the links. After a while of doing so you will be able to determine what is held in common among the articles and what is outlandish. Once you have determined that, you then follow up on the beliefs that are held in common. You follow them up by attempting to correlate myths from around the world and science. Then you look past traditional science into the alternative fields of science, such as the electric sun/universe, beyond conventional physics to string theory and quantum physics. Look at time travel and extra-dimensional access, then you look at architecture and the evolution of human society. You then examine the origins of human society and biology, then archeology. You look at egypt, mesopotamia, mesoamerica, you determine whether mainstream history has it right or not. Then you go back again and you attempt to synthesize all of the information into one big, holistic brew. You again find what is in common and then you come back and re-examine David Icke and his primary source of indigenous information about the Reptilians, Credo Mutwah. You listen to the entire first interview that he did with Credo:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Then you come back here and tell us what you think. Ask questions, deride the existence of Reptilians, do whatever you choose to do. But make sure that you bring more to the table than skepticism, if you wish to be taken seriously. I assume that since you are all here, then you have traveled past where most seek to go as far as attempting to find out what is true and what is not. I congratulate you on that and wish you all luck upon your journey even further down the rabbit hole.

Tes, do all that and more, and you will still arrive at the same conclusion, that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of their existence, there are people making money form saying this and people are being fooled into believing that notable people are in fact green lizard chameleons that have slit pupils and scaly skin, providing sufficient evidence for a small bunch of people to convince themselves and others of a collective delusion.

and ANYONE eric charles, who dare to think for themselves is ridiculed and joked at by the band of disillusioned members who want to keep their ideas true. It is like when they called those who thought the world were round as heretics just because they went again the blind faith of the norm.

I regard your thinking as perfectly acceptable and no doubt for saying this, there will be a backlash that will result in this post being deleted just for stating an alternative view!

[Rantaak]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.
...

Attachment 11738

...

Excellent book. I would like to share some personal observations. Due to the nature of the study, the experiences people had while under the influence of DMT were limited. As shamans have used this neurotransmitter in ayahuasca brews for thousands of years, they have applied a much more sacred and ritualistic approach to imbibing it. Mental schema, mind-set and physical setting all play a role in the nature of the journey that is experienced while using these substances. One particularly horrifying result written about by Mr. Strassman in this book involves a vision that one of his test subjects had, who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles. Another person started seizing during their journey and saw Mr. Strassman and his assistant in an entirely different way. The doctor had taken on a more mechanical appearance, resembling a cold-emotionless android who was allowing a bunch of test subjects to board an alien ship for unscheduled examinations. His assistant's face had mutated into a horrifying and decaying clown-face and I'm fairly certain the lighting had also changed into the topographical noir-scale of waking tryptamine consciousness. It should be noted that these tests were performed intravenously, instead of consuming the neurotransmitter orally with an MAO inhibitor or by smoking it. Their excuse was that they wanted to control the exact dosage.

If anything, this second vision provided me valuable insight as to why so (relatively) little was accomplished through these studies. Because of the doctors lack of personal involvement with the patients (explorers), he was not able to figure out what was going on symbolically and integrally regarding his patients.

Magic is simply not conducive to the rigid scientific method in a corporate and sterile environment. If one really wants to know more about DMT and dark shamanism, I would suggest reading Terence McKenna.

"who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles"

If I'm in a highly sensitive state,and I eat meat..deepening on how much the meat was processed, etc..I can and do sometimes take on the death moment and death throes of the mind set and emotions of the given animal that I'm consuming.

It lasts for about 1.5 to 2 hours, in most instances.

Vibration, chemical, DNA and Lamarckism. Sheldrake's Morphic fields, etc.

Very cool. I personally am too squeamish to experience this energy anymore, as I had a particularly violent awakening involving fractalline clock-eyed monsters (with my eyes) endlessly eating one and another in a vicious chain of carnage. I only eat meat on occasion and in very small quantities, also never poultry (birds are the trigger for my PTSD).

Sheldrake is the man, there are some excellent trialogues between him, terence mckenna (the cosmic christ, right next to don juan mathus) and ralph abraham.

[ponda]

Rahkyt said:

There does seem to be some confusion between Archons and Reptilians and Greys. If the Archons are both or if they are beyond them. If they are beyond, are they also influencing those groups? Interesting stuff.

Yes it is interesting.

My guess is that the Archon phenomena is multi layered.At one level you might have what John Lash describes as the 'mind parasites or psychic parasites'.These could be located in the nearest plane/dimension to us.I think they have also been mentioned in the Gnostic texts.

Then there are the Greys,Reptilians and probably assorted 'others'.These guys might be in a higher plane of reality than the mind parasites but might still be able to influence them or be influenced by them.

In my opinion both of these groups can be connected to and influenced by a much larger non physical entity that is located in a yet higher dimension and which could be described as a 'type of dark energy'.This entity might feed off global loosh or say the collective human negative emotional energy etc. There probably are more layers to this as well and it might go much deeper.

They all might work together in a type of loose but semi-controlled fashion.The ET's might play their part in the bigger 'control' picture as well as there own smaller agendas.The mind parasites might have a much closer more individual influence on humans by influencing perceptions and emotional reactions etc.I also suspect that there 'could' be a connection between mind parasites and psychopathic behaviour.

It would not surprise me if many of modern day human psychological problems,behavioral problems,addictions,obsessive compulsive disorders,fetishes,irrational emotional behavior etc etc are all a result of these parasites effect on humans.They might be much more common than we realize.

One way of combating them might be to try to be as 'self aware' as possible.Paying close attention to the thought process might be a way to take away some or all of their influence.


cheers

[modwiz]

James Horak has a take on the Greys' that I am comfortable with. He calls them extra biological entities or EBE's. He says they are soulless programmed bots sent to scout the universe. They are, in essence, 'wet computers'. With the ability to repair each other and no real lifespan limit they could go and explore the galaxy. Without wormhole technology intergalactic travel was a very time consuming affair. The EBE's were the ticket. Apparently they were sent out so long ago that some of the races that sent them out have gotten newer space traveling technology or died out. This makes the Greys rebels without a cause or mission other than to stay around and keep operating. It seems endless self repair and sustaining themselves was part of the programming, but decommissioning was not.

I'll bet Isaac Asimov would be intrigued by this.

[Carmody]

Posted by 1derer (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
There is plenty of information and resources out and about the Net across about the Reptilians, both material and ethereal. If you would like more information about them, all you have to do is go to google and wade through the links. After a while of doing so you will be able to determine what is held in common among the articles and what is outlandish. Once you have determined that, you then follow up on the beliefs that are held in common. You follow them up by attempting to correlate myths from around the world and science. Then you look past traditional science into the alternative fields of science, such as the electric sun/universe, beyond conventional physics to string theory and quantum physics. Look at time travel and extra-dimensional access, then you look at architecture and the evolution of human society. You then examine the origins of human society and biology, then archeology. You look at egypt, mesopotamia, mesoamerica, you determine whether mainstream history has it right or not. Then you go back again and you attempt to synthesize all of the information into one big, holistic brew. You again find what is in common and then you come back and re-examine David Icke and his primary source of indigenous information about the Reptilians, Credo Mutwah. You listen to the entire first interview that he did with Credo:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Then you come back here and tell us what you think. Ask questions, deride the existence of Reptilians, do whatever you choose to do. But make sure that you bring more to the table than skepticism, if you wish to be taken seriously. I assume that since you are all here, then you have traveled past where most seek to go as far as attempting to find out what is true and what is not. I congratulate you on that and wish you all luck upon your journey even further down the rabbit hole.

Tes, do all that and more, and you will still arrive at the same conclusion, that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of their existence, there are people making money form saying this and people are being fooled into believing that notable people are in fact green lizard chameleons that have slit pupils and scaly skin, providing sufficient evidence for a small bunch of people to convince themselves and others of a collective delusion.

and ANYONE eric charles, who dare to think for themselves is ridiculed and joked at by the band of disillusioned members who want to keep their ideas true. It is like when they called those who thought the world were round as heretics just because they went again the blind faith of the norm.

I regard your thinking as perfectly acceptable and no doubt for saying this, there will be a backlash that will result in this post being deleted just for stating an alternative view!

Well, let's give you..something really tricky, then.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nce-reality..-

The world and reality itself.. are much older, much larger and far more complex than your current state of ignorance.

[Dawn]

Dawn: Yes, I have directly seen them. Here is what they are like to me. When my 'spiritual eyes' were first opened I saw that some 7' tall lizard like beings who stood on their back legs were projecting a 'hologram' of a human body that targeted the frequencies seen by our 3 dimensional eyes. So if your vision only comes to your attention from your human body eyes then you will see a person, not the reality behind the hologram.

Many people can only see with their 3D eyes, but we have a number of bodies, and they all have eyes. When you become conscious of your other bodies, you can see with their eyes, as well as your 3D ones. That is when you will be able to see these type of beings.

I haven't seen 1000s of them, however. Perhaps that is because I do not walk around with my attention on other than my 3D eyes. I have actually directly seen only 4 of them. 2 were physicians, and 2 were 'spiritual teachers'.

NOTE: I have never taken substances to enhance my seeing or anything else. I saw these reptilians when I was totally sober. And... when I did see them I had no previous knowledge that they existed. I did not hear anyone else speak of reptilians until many years later.

They had absolutely nothing to do with the reptilian brain we all have. These were actually not human, but appear so through the use of holograms.

Chinaski: Dawn, wow, i'd love to hear more about your reptilian experiences.

Ok, I'll flesh my answers out a bit. But before I do, let me say that I have very high respect for the many people who have researched this topic and are sharing here on this thread. Although I enjoy researching topics, I really never have researched this one much at all, so my only contribution here is my direct experience. If you go to my Breatharian thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...a-how-to-guide there is a brief description of the exercises and meditations I did which allowed me to have a very enhanced way of being and seeing in this life.

It was within a couple of days after opening my eyes to see only pure blinding light, and nothing else, that I began to see many things differently than I ever had before. One of the things I saw was that not all apparent humans were the same. Some of them just wore holographic human body images, which fooled other humans into thinking they were human too. These were actually tall lizards, but to the 3D human eye they simply looked like they had a human body. The 4 I saw had what appeared to be 'normal' human lives, 3 of them appeared to be human men, and one appeared as a human women.

I think the 'spiritual teachers' were actually attempting to help humans break loose from their minds. They were the ones who taught me the techniques mentioned in the breatharian thread. (Most teachers in that particular school were NOT reptilians, but normal humans) The 2 doctors I saw were, in my opinion, attempting to prevent humans from awakening through the use of forced psychiatric drugs. Since an estimated 40-60% of psychiatric patients are actually having a spiritual awakening, they had chosen their positions to prevent that awakening from completing.

I never let any of them know that I saw them clearly. I didn't feel safe in their presence once I saw who and what they were, and my goal was to save my own skin by appearing clueless. I played along with them in the game where I pretended they were normal humans doing a job.

I have highly developed 2nd sight. And what I saw after the events described in
Beatharian was extremely frightening to me.

Since then, I have actually asked NOT to see what does not concern me, and what I do not need to see in order to understand my next step. That might seem like a coward's decision to you, however I asked for that change because my human personality was often in terror from what was consciously seen. This has worked in my favor, as I have slowly become accustomed to seeing things others only hear about or see in science fiction. It takes a lot to rattle me these days.

I will just add that I have often see real human bodies that are 'possessed' by non-human entities.

This is not the same as the large lizards I described... who project a non-real human body hologram that fools the human eye.

[Carmody]

Posted by Dawn (here)
I have highly developed 2nd sight. I have actually asked NOT to see what does not concern me, and what I do not need to see in order to understand my next step. That might seem like a coward's decision to you, however I asked for that change because my human personality was often in terror from what was consciously seen.

I will just add that I have often see real human bodies that are 'possessed' by non-human entities.

This is not the same as the large lizards I described... who project a non-real human body hologram that fools the human eye.

This here post from the given thread explains a bit of the why of needing the capacity to shut it off.

I was 'wide open' for about 18 months, and overall, for 24 months, in total. I was sleeping just under 1.5 hours per day. The rest of the time, I had to fight to hold onto the frameworks we call 'reality', or 3d space.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post374981