The Bible

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)


actually i know it but that doesn't help you that i know it

you must figure it out yourselves by the Grace of God

Man, your pretty god dam arrogant.

i know the Bible is true

if that makes me arrogant so be it

but it makes you an ignoramus

Wow, thanks for the great witness. It's sad really. I like the old saying that if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. There was no purpose to your post but a tit for tat comment. I hope we can show a little bit more love, kindness, and patience. Yes, we debate as if swords sharpening swords, but your comment was unkind.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)


actually i know it but that doesn't help you that i know it

you must figure it out yourselves by the Grace of God

Man, your pretty god dam arrogant.

i know the Bible is true

if that makes me arrogant so be it

but it makes you an ignoramus

He's an ignoramus now?

and so are you if you think i'm arrogant

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Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)


actually i know it but that doesn't help you that i know it

you must figure it out yourselves by the Grace of God

Man, your pretty god dam arrogant.

i know the Bible is true

if that makes me arrogant so be it

but it makes you an ignoramus

Wow, thanks for the great witness.

she called me arrogant and so i called her ignoramus

what of it

grow up

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

actually i know it but that doesn't help you that i know it

you must figure it out yourselves by the Grace of God

Man, your pretty god dam arrogant.

i know the Bible is true

if that makes me arrogant so be it

but it makes you an ignoramus

Not a very good endorsement for Christianity.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

actually i know it but that doesn't help you that i know it

you must figure it out yourselves by the Grace of God

Man, your pretty god dam arrogant.

i know the Bible is true

if that makes me arrogant so be it

but it makes you an ignoramus

Not a very good endorsement for Christianity.

Sadly also usually the loudest endorsement.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I can not believe in a retaliatory God.
Unconditional love is exactly that.

I believe the flood happened and people were given warning but paid no heed.
I suspect that the flood was part of a natural cycle-- nothing to do with God's wrath.

hi Chris

i don't believe in unconditional love but i believe in unconditional mercy and unconditional forgiveness after unconditional repentance


we might bring disasters upon ourselves by our actions

but God is God because He can stop or start disasters

He has the final Authority

and so if a disaster happens then God permits it to happen

Posted by greybeard (here)
If there were only a few survived the flood how come we have a yellow race, a redskin race, a black race, a white race?

our differences are only skin deep

we are much more alike than we differ from each other

environment plays the part in these skin differences

[Unified Serenity]

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

1Pe 3:9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.

Luke 6: 27-36

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Matthew 22:36-40

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


May we all walk in kindness and love towards one another lest we become a stumbling block and cause other's to falter.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Man, your pretty god dam arrogant.

i know the Bible is true

if that makes me arrogant so be it

but it makes you an ignoramus

Not a very good endorsement for Christianity.

i know Bill but my mood today chose to respond this way when being called arrogant

at least i didn't call her a viper ; )

[ThePythonicCow]

If this turns into a war of who gets the last word ... the admins win ... and we all lose.

[RedeZra]

no i will say something


i am the one being called arrogant by several members in several posts now

and also here in my own thread

i am being called arrogant in a one sentence reply

and when i answer the poster in question with the same tone

then you all bang up on me


why ? because you are hypocrites

that's why ; )

[ThePythonicCow]

This thread is closed, while we take a look.

[ThePythonicCow]

This thread is now reopen again. Three members are on a one day vacation, for name calling, and one of those got an extra day, for refusing to stop when asked.

[Anchor]

This comment is for the thread and is NOT directed at anyone, especially not Redezra who has heard much of this from me before, but is repeated in the context of this heated thread. This thread topic will always surface from time to time - another firework with "light the blue touchpaper and retire" printed across the warning labels. It is a tough debate and reaches to the root cause of may kinds of beliefs systems. We need to robustly avoid degrading the opportunity it represents to thrash this out.

So...

I reject ANY God that uses fear and threats to get his message across.

If God tries that with me, he will loose and in fact has lost ... and this is not my puffed up ego talking... Its what I have created for myself.

If I hear a thundering voice coming from the heavens admonishing me I will laugh in its direction and make rude gestures for extra effect!

We are not above or below, we do not cower in submission to that which is effectively ourselves.

I do not need any kind of "Jack Bauer" God beating lessons into me with thunderbolts and lightning - I have enough problems I create myself. I drilled a freaking hole in my thumb at the weekend in a DIY accident. There is a lesson there which I have yet to discern but it was all my doing.

It doesn't mean we are not humble and we do not learn.

It means we reject fear and everything associated with it.

Love is the answer not fear.

Love not fear (worth repeating a few hundred times if necessary!)

So I say to any God of fearful theatrics - I know who you are and I am calling you out.

Stick that in your pipe Mr Fear God and smoke it.

AJ..

<Anchor: Goes off to ensure that the rather large lightening arrestor on the computer is properly functional>

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Paul (here)
This thread is now reopen again. Three members are on a one day vacation, for name calling, and one of those got an extra day, for refusing to stop when asked.

And Thou Was Sent to the Sin Bin. That's Hockey Lingo when you get sent to the penalty box.

[WhiteFeather]

My Favorite Skit From George Carlin On Religion. Holy Shyte! Hope this fits the thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

[panopticon]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by panopticon (here)
As for there being no trees older than 4000 years you are overlooking the Huon Pine stands just down the road from me some of which date back 10,000 years and the Swedish spruces whose root systems have been dated at about the same. There's also the 4,842 years old 'Pinus longaeva' nicknamed 'Methuselah' amongst many others that predate you flood timing.

and no Panopticon there are no trees older than some 4000 years

G'day RedeZra,

Yes there are.
They're just down the road from here...
I also reckon that the tree known as 'Prometheus' which was cut down in 1964, had its rings counted and came in at a conservative age of 4844 years (many estimate in excess of 5000 years), makes your position untenable.

You are welcome to say that this is the work of "the establishment for their controllers" as much as you like.
It simply doesn't change the facts.

Anyone who is watching this thread can see that you are avoiding the uncomfortable questions and being selective in your quoted material.

I think I'll go for a wander under the canopy and in the roots of the ancient forest down the road.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I would like to take a moment and point out that there are many on this forum whose primary language is not English. This is not to say that their knowledge or wisdom is less, nor that their understanding of English is inferior, rather that their interpretation, discursive techniques used and understandings are seated within another language that is then translated. Even within those that have English as their primary language there can be dialect differences between them that sometimes lead to confusion. Using the written format makes this even more problematic as a typographical error, or differences in regional spelling, can produce confusion that is not evident in the spoken word.

I try to avoid contractions because (I was told this by a friend of mine a number of years ago and it may no longer be correct) in some translation programs contractions can cause problems and lead to misunderstandings. There are exceptions (I always use the stereotypical Australian "G'day" in the same way as I would in everyday life) however these are rare and usually only when I am exhausted or just plain forget.

When I first joined Avalon I had a momentary problem with another user because of the difference between US and Australia/English spelling of the word "tyre" (Aust) and "tire" (US). In the US a "car tyre" is spelt "car tire" and this led to a misunderstanding that I was referring to multi-level "tiers" instead of single level "tyres". While this is a subtle difference it led to confusion and, as I had been referring to the dangers to root vegetables of chemical leeching from "tyres", changed the discussion into something that was completely different and somewhat bizarre until the error was worked out.

I relate this to show that it is important to understand that apparent arrogance may be the result of language and/or dialect differences and not the actual user.

I have put much of the confrontational attitudes within this thread down to a combination of language and cultural difference.

As I have said in this and other threads, as well as in my everyday interactions, I have no problem with anyone believing whatever they wish, many people need their belief system to understand their place in the world, it is only when they proclaim they are right and, against all rhyme and reason, proclaim others as being wrong that I will ask them to prove it too me. I do not see this as wrong because through doing this I view it can challenge my world view and assist in both persons growth. Also if dogma where not challenged we would still believe that the Earth is flat, that the stars in the sky are holes in the firmament and that it is the divine right of monachs to reign over the populace.

To finish I would point out that our thoughts are both confined and defined by our language. This in turn confines and defines our interpretation and relationship to the world through the lens of our various cultures. These cultural perspectives are not readily apparent and produce habitual reactions, to any given situation, that we take as self evidently appropriate. It is through meditating on this difference and understanding the ways in which the discursive processes (working on and through us, our culture and language) define us that we can overcome provincialism and develop as self aware individuals.

Anyway, I'll get off my "soap box" and wait for the discussion to start up again.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Unified Serenity]

Hi Panopticon,

I appreciate what you are saying about language misunderstandings. I will point out that Red and I are not misunderstanding one another. We read the bible differently. He prefers to believe a snake tricked Eve and she ate some fruit while I prefer to base my understanding on the original Hebrew texts we have that clearly state she wanted to Naga the Tree, and that she was seduced. Hey, does it make a whole lot of difference in our paths?

Actually it does. It plays right into the parable of the Fig tree which I have started a thread on, the Parable of the Wheat and Tares, and understanding why the church of Smyrna was spoken of highly in Revelation and their main understanding goes right back to those two parables and knowing about the fact that some claim to be Jews and are not, but are of the house of Satan otherwise known as Kenites or children of Cain.

So, while I appreciate the spirit you wrote your post in, it really is not applicable to Red and me. Red thinks I am way off base, outside of mainstream christianity and you know what, he's right and I for one proudly will wear that badge of distinction.

Many blessings and much love,

Serenity

[RedeZra]

i've had trouble logging in to the forum lately

probably just some technical problems

but i apologise my absence to those that miss me ; )




this friends is a thread about the Bible the God of the Old Testamennt and the Christ of the New Testament

and not our own personal opinions or emotional imaginations about God

if you don't believe me than look at the topic title and see it says the Bible




Vengeance is Mine says God of the Old Testament


why would the Creator

flood the earth incinerate Sodom and Gomorrah and come as a Lamb to the slaughter to be Crucified on the Cross


why would an Avatar of God want the Kurukshetra war


those who don't believe in God don't have to ponder these questions

but you who believe in God feel free to enlighten me


why would God want war and worry ?



is it possible that you are cherry picking how you want God to be

or do you think God will conform to your image of Him ?


do you think we only have physical laws when we are more spirit than body and blood


what do God mean with Vengeance is Mine ?

[RedeZra]

the Bible is a Big book

but here are the bullet points



* God is the Trinity or the Three in One and the Creator Sustainer Destroyer


* there were Angels in Heaven before Man on Earth who was made a little less than an Angel

* angels begot giant human-angels hybrids with humans

* and taught our ancestors all kinds of heavenly secrets and genetically modified both humans and animals

* the Deluge

* War in Heaven


* the fallen angels were cast out of Heaven 9/10th to Hell and 1/10th to Earth

* because humans have a portion of guilt for the angels fall from the Grace of God

* fallen angels are ruling this world tricking humans to join them in Hell


* Christ came to make us aware of this and take our sins upon Him

* so if we repent and seek a relationship with Him then He will guard us from sin and guide us to truth so we can make it into Heaven instead of Hell

* which was ment for the fallen angels and not for humans but sin will bring us down with them

* if we don't know what sin is then check the Ten Commandments and see how we're doing


* a word to the wise seek the Mercy of Christ before the Judgement of God

* Christ is about to return and save the saints and the Earth is about to be purified by fire


there will be no Mercy before Repentance and if we refuse to repent then the just Judge will give us what we deserve

the danger here is that we might think we deserve more than we actually do

we might think we deserve Heaven but if God thinks otherwise than God has the final say friends

[modwiz]

Hello Red, Is your avatar the buddy Jesus from the movie "Dogma"? Looks like him to me. That was a great movie.