17 Year old' perspective

[grapevine]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Count me a stick in the mud, but it's obvious to me that while the kid in the video may not like school and see an indoctrination happening, they also did not avail themselves to learn how to follow grammar rules and spelling. If I were going to put out a video for everyone to see, I would know when to use their vs. they're and other simple errors of verb tense the young adult made. I found it hard to watch each card slowly go by and it was all the more irritating when their grammar was so terrible and they are ranting against school.

Teachers do not even care anymore about grammar. I've seen some of my children's papers come home with terrible mistakes which were not corrected in public school, while the two in Catholic school are not allowed to get away with such mistakes. No wonder so many students have to go through remedial education in college just to come up to acceptable standards. Its one thing to make mistakes in online chat or simple forums, but when you are going to put out a video or give a speech, at least do so with some forethought.

Ok, I'll crawl back under my rock.

Hi US

I agree with you to a point but these days (and I'm not calling you an old fart because I'm far older and fartier) they (the schools) just do not bother with grammer and punctuation and spelling.) I used to feel irritated about it - loss of values, etc. etc., but then what the hell .... each generation IS growing better than the one before so perhaps these things don't matter at all . . . or at least as much as we think they do. Perhaps just being able to get the message across is the whole point. Just mo

[Unified Serenity]

Oh, I understand your point. I liken it to being a musician and listening to a powerful message in a song, but being distracted because the person playing it keeps hitting the wrong key. For anyone with an ear to hear it, it becomes a complete distraction, and it appeared somewhat ironic as to the topic which the maker of the video was addressing. I had the same reaction while listening to Herman Cain speak and use improper verb tense on more than one occaision. It's sort of akin to people not knowing when to use "good" vs. "well" or "me" vs. "I". It's a sticking point for which drives me a bit bonkers.

Posted by w1ndmill (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Count me a stick in the mud, but it's obvious to me that while the kid in the video may not like school and see an indoctrination happening, they also did not avail themselves to learn how to follow grammar rules and spelling. If I were going to put out a video for everyone to see, I would know when to use their vs. they're and other simple errors of verb tense the young adult made. I found it hard to watch each card slowly go by and it was all the more irritating when their grammar was so terrible and they are ranting against school.

Teachers do not even care anymore about grammar. I've seen some of my children's papers come home with terrible mistakes which were not corrected in public school, while the two in Catholic school are not allowed to get away with such mistakes. No wonder so many students have to go through remedial education in college just to come up to acceptable standards. Its one thing to make mistakes in online chat or simple forums, but when you are going to put out a video or give a speech, at least do so with some forethought.

Ok, I'll crawl back under my rock.

Hi US

I agree with you to a point but these days (and I'm not calling you an old fart because I'm far older and fartier) they (the schools) just do not bother with grammer and punctuation and spelling.) I used to feel irritated about it - loss of values, etc. etc., but then what the hell .... each generation IS growing better than the one before so perhaps these things don't matter at all . . . or at least as much as we think they do. Perhaps just being able to get the message across is the whole point. Just mo

[Snoweagle]

United Serenity and Modwiz:
Your aloof self righteous disapproval of this presentation has shocked me even more than the video itself. You appear to have completely missed the purpose of this presentation. It was a cry for help. It was not one of whinging, moaning and complaining of school time, it was crying out to be taught something useful.

Follow the link to YouTube and read the comments. It only had 301 views and the quality of empathy within the comments is palpable and they extend for four comment pages already.

I quite understand the comparison between the quality of grammar of todays teaching compared to ours. It is chalk and cheese. The children of the world are deliberately being dumbed down and this video screams "help us" and now we discuss here at Avalon, topics of wonderous ascendancy/enlightenment within our reach across this forum and yet when a poorly educated kid films himself making this plea, we scold the message and messenger as not worthy. I too am a stick in the mud for grammar, in life as well as forums, though we must interpret the inferred doctrine rather than its product.

Isn't this why we are here? Do we really want to make a difference?
The climate debacle in South Africa with a consensus of "agree to disagree and we will sort it in 2020"; yet the tenet of the agreement was genocide of the poor. Would that include the poorly educated?

Gonna say sorry in advance; as I respect you both and I will be criticized for this comment for displaying my fury in this way.

[Five years ago, during a visit to my son, I met my eleven year old grandson who had just finished school. Teasing him about being in big school I gleefully asked what they had done that day. Typically of a school kid it started with "aww I dunno and yeh, we learnt about chocolate". My heart beamed at such a choice, so inquired for more detail and he "enlightened" me, "yeh, Cadburys and Bournville invented it, it can be found in supermarkets and then we watched 'Willie Wonka and the Chocolate factory' "! Horrified and dismayed, I could no longer continue our discussion and made my excuse and left the room.]

[grapevine]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Oh, I understand your point. I liken it to being a musician and listening to a powerful message in a song, but being distracted because the person playing it keeps hitting the wrong key. For anyone with an ear to hear it, it becomes a complete distraction, and it appeared somewhat ironic as to the topic which the maker of the video was addressing. I had the same reaction while listening to Herman Cain speak and use improper verb tense on more than one occaision. It's sort of akin to people not knowing when to use "good" vs. "well" or "me" vs. "I". It's a sticking point for which drives me a bit bonkers.

Posted by w1ndmill (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Count me a stick in the mud, but it's obvious to me that while the kid in the video may not like school and see an indoctrination happening, they also did not avail themselves to learn how to follow grammar rules and spelling. If I were going to put out a video for everyone to see, I would know when to use their vs. they're and other simple errors of verb tense the young adult made. I found it hard to watch each card slowly go by and it was all the more irritating when their grammar was so terrible and they are ranting against school.

Teachers do not even care anymore about grammar. I've seen some of my children's papers come home with terrible mistakes which were not corrected in public school, while the two in Catholic school are not allowed to get away with such mistakes. No wonder so many students have to go through remedial education in college just to come up to acceptable standards. Its one thing to make mistakes in online chat or simple forums, but when you are going to put out a video or give a speech, at least do so with some forethought.

Ok, I'll crawl back under my rock.

Hi US

I agree with you to a point but these days (and I'm not calling you an old fart because I'm far older and fartier) they (the schools) just do not bother with grammer and punctuation and spelling.) I used to feel irritated about it - loss of values, etc. etc., but then what the hell .... each generation IS growing better than the one before so perhaps these things don't matter at all . . . or at least as much as we think they do. Perhaps just being able to get the message across is the whole point. Just mo

I don't know if it helps US but I read somewhere that language changes every few hundreds of years, which is why Shakespeare is so hard to understand without an interpreter . And Michael Jackson's interpretation of bad = good really and wicked = fantastic doesn't help much. I hope to be on Mars by the next generation, or somewhere else on the Milky Way that can recognise the difference between a comma and a semi colon ................

[modwiz]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)
United Serenity and Modwiz:
Your aloof self righteous disapproval of this presentation has shocked me even more than the video itself. You appear to have completely missed the purpose of this presentation. It was a cry for help. It was not one of whinging, moaning and complaining of school time, it was crying out to be taught something useful.

Follow the link to YouTube and read the comments. It only had 301 views and the quality of empathy within the comments is palpable and they extend for four comment pages already.

I quite understand the comparison between the quality of grammar of todays teaching compared to ours. It is chalk and cheese. The children of the world are deliberately being dumbed down and this video screams "help us" and now we discuss here at Avalon, topics of wonderous ascendancy/enlightenment within our reach across this forum and yet when a poorly educated kid films himself making this plea, we scold the message and messenger as not worthy. I too am a stick in the mud for grammar, in life as well as forums, though we must interpret the inferred doctrine rather than its product.

Isn't this why we are here? Do we really want to make a difference?
The climate debacle in South Africa with a consensus of "agree to disagree and we will sort it in 2020"; yet the tenet of the agreement was genocide of the poor. Would that include the poorly educated?

Gonna say sorry in advance; as I respect you both and I will be criticized for this comment for displaying my fury in this way.

[Five years ago, during a visit to my son, I met my eleven year old grandson who had just finished school. Teasing him about being in big school I gleefully asked what they had done that day. Typically of a school kid it started with "aww I dunno and yeh, we learnt about chocolate". My heart beamed at such a choice, so inquired for more detail and he "enlightened" me, "yeh, Cadburys and Bournville invented it, it can be found in supermarkets and then we watched 'Willie Wonka and the Chocolate factory' "! Horrified and dismayed, I could no longer continue our discussion and made my excuse and left the room.]

Since when is having an opinion aloof and self righteous? US and I both claimed to be sticks in the mud. I thought that was self-effacing and not self righteous. Furthermore I indicted the teaching system and culture while allowing for the intelligence and creativity of the presenter with phrases like this:"is a product of the schools and not an indication of the person and mind presenting." And this: "Instant gratification and poor patience skills are a symptom of the conditioning and programming of modern society".

I feel misunderstood. Not a problem, I have been dealing with that most of my life for reasons I will not opine on. I do not take it personally.

[000]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)
United Serenity and Modwiz:
Your aloof self righteous disapproval of this presentation has shocked me even more than the video itself. You appear to have completely missed the purpose of this presentation. It was a cry for help. It was not one of whinging, moaning and complaining of school time, it was crying out to be taught something useful.

Follow the link to YouTube and read the comments. It only had 301 views and the quality of empathy within the comments is palpable and they extend for four comment pages already.

I quite understand the comparison between the quality of grammar of todays teaching compared to ours. It is chalk and cheese. The children of the world are deliberately being dumbed down and this video screams "help us" and now we discuss here at Avalon, topics of wonderous ascendancy/enlightenment within our reach across this forum and yet when a poorly educated kid films himself making this plea, we scold the message and messenger as not worthy. I too am a stick in the mud for grammar, in life as well as forums, though we must interpret the inferred doctrine rather than its product.

Isn't this why we are here? Do we really want to make a difference?
The climate debacle in South Africa with a consensus of "agree to disagree and we will sort it in 2020"; yet the tenet of the agreement was genocide of the poor. Would that include the poorly educated?

Gonna say sorry in advance; as I respect you both and I will be criticized for this comment for displaying my fury in this way.

[Five years ago, during a visit to my son, I met my eleven year old grandson who had just finished school. Teasing him about being in big school I gleefully asked what they had done that day. Typically of a school kid it started with "aww I dunno and yeh, we learnt about chocolate". My heart beamed at such a choice, so inquired for more detail and he "enlightened" me, "yeh, Cadburys and Bournville invented it, it can be found in supermarkets and then we watched 'Willie Wonka and the Chocolate factory' "! Horrified and dismayed, I could no longer continue our discussion and made my excuse and left the room.]

All of the above ^^^. Yes yes yes.

I totally don't want to pick a bone with anyone here, but wow... I cried when I watched the video, happy tears, because it reminded me of myself back in highschool. It was an uphill battle, although myself as a being knew I just had to go through it to keep up appearances for a while until I could help my family wake up and that happened. I chose not to go through any post-secondary education and instead followed my bliss, which was exactly what I had planned before being born into this life. For a while, I wanted to become a radiologist, but I just didn't have the passion for it, so I did not follow it. Recently I met a surgeon, who is also creative, and she brings such joy to my heart You can't do *everything* in one life, but sometimes, you can still experience it with others :D

So... when things like minor grammatical errors become the center of attention in a thread... honestly... that is PETTY compared to the passion in the video. I went through it, I experienced it, I know exactly how the current education system is, and believe me, it is the furthest thing from inspiring.

What do you want. It's a choice. Kids who are inspired to help create a truly magnificent open and free world, or kids who are more concerned with insignificant details. Which is more important to learn, to FEEL first? Think about it.

[000]

[...]im doing this cuz i saw individuals such as yourself bringing the truth out there, so i felt compelled to join this liberation of the human race. I am currently brainstorming with my dad on a couple ideas for a new educational system. so far it involves spirituality(basics, the more advance stuff being up to the individual), absolute choice(You experiment what subjects you like or not, then you choose, and the decision can always change), exploration (awareness open up majorly when exposure to many different cultures and locations are experienced. this will promote universal brotherhood/sisterhood amongs us), creative pursuits of any kind, things like that. though it is still a bit unorganized for me the make another video just yet.[...]

Words of Joshua's excerpted from *this* blog post.

I have got to say I am truly impressed. Not only does he know what is wrong with the education system but he has ideas to make for better education. I'm still very emotionally overwhelmed from this, positively so. It has made not just my day, week, month, or year, but my life. There are only a few events which have had that effect on me in this life so I do not say this lightly. Kids like Joshua give me such inspiration. It is an extra boost of strength to do what I must do psychically, and through more practical means as well, along with others to aid in bettering this world to take it where it needs to be. Children are our future and we need to make this a good home for them to expand within. I'm not going to stop until every elite knob has been cleaned from this world. My glowing thanks and much energy to Joshua.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Count me a stick in the mud, but it's obvious to me that while the kid in the video may not like school and see an indoctrination happening, they also did not avail themselves to learn how to follow grammar rules and spelling. If I were going to put out a video for everyone to see, I would know when to use their vs. they're and other simple errors of verb tense the young adult made. I found it hard to watch each card slowly go by and it was all the more irritating when their grammar was so terrible and they are ranting against school.

Teachers do not even care anymore about grammar. I've seen some of my children's papers come home with terrible mistakes which were not corrected in public school, while the two in Catholic school are not allowed to get away with such mistakes. No wonder so many students have to go through remedial education in college just to come up to acceptable standards. Its one thing to make mistakes in online chat or simple forums, but when you are going to put out a video or give a speech, at least do so with some forethought.

Ok, I'll crawl back under my rock.

My sister's schoolteacher friend in Alaska, said that Bush's "No child left behind" program was basically a marketing paraphrase for "Pass them anyway"

[sandy]

Hi US and Modwiz,

I don't have a cell phone but do understand that "texting" is almost a new way to communicate. Spelling, grammar, etc have no real importance and the message is all that matters. Quasi-illiteracy may come from the schools but lets not forget technology now appears to be playing a role in written communications these days and an old way of brain training may be going down the tubes.

Hey maybe even being a stick in the mud is some kind of conditioning and programming of society

[PixieDust]

I didn't read everyones comments, but I though I'd add my own.

I think a big problem with schools is they play it safe. They teach safe subjects and do it the easiest way possible and they dont push kids or help them for fear of the parents lashing out. Just look at all the book bannings, a lot of the books on the lists are great works of literature and have an important message but they get a bad reputation because parents dont want their kids reading them. Which is rediculous because then they'll let their kids watch more disturbing movies.

Grammer was never a pushed subject in my school years. I had one teacher in my junior year of high school that had had enough with our poor spelling and grammer and decided to stray from the silibus and teach us grammer. We were going to take 10-15 minutes out of each 45 minute class to do grammer work.

It lasted two days before she gave up.

If our elementary school teachers had worked harder and focused on grammer more then we would have known it in high school but no teacher ever took the time to teach us properly. To this day if you asked me to disect a sentence and tell you which is the verb adjective and adverb i wouldn't be able to.

I also found it interesting that his A's and G's were done in a counter clockwise swirl. I dont know what is interesting about it. Just thought I'd point it out.

peace