Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

[modwiz]

Posted by Snowbird (here)
This is an excellent thread topic DNA. Thank you for starting this and maintaining it.

I happened to run across this extremely interesting article by Robert M. Stanley before locating this thread. He includes an excerpt from Carlos Castenada's The Active Side of Infinity. Some of these invisible amoeba creatures are huge. There are pictures at this link.

Updated November 5, 2011

Press Release from Robert M. Stanley

Fellow Citizens of Earth,

It is time to expose the covert controllers of mankind. I assure you this is not speculation, a hoax, or the figment of peoples imagination. These parasitic creatures are real and they need to be dealt with immediately so mankind can evolve to the next level of existence.

Although these parasites are not human, they feed off the negative energy/emotions of humans. It is unclear when these cosmic, amoeba-like creatures first came to earth, but we know they were discovered by shamans in altered states of consciousness long ago and have recently been photographed. The reason everyone is not seeing them on a daily basis is because the creature's energy signature is beyond our normal, narrow range of vision within the electromagnetic spectrum. What scientist call "visible light."

Ancient Gnostic texts from Egypt, called the Nag Hammadi, describe two types of demonic alien beings that invaded earth long ago which they call the Archons. The first type of Archon looks like a reptile. The other type looks like a human embryo... which has the same shape and appearance as the "sky fish" photos.

http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm

I saw an interview Jorr posted with Alfred Webre interviewing Robert first and then Laura Eisenhower. The difference is night and day in how two people present the same subject that they both agree on. He is not the best speaker and gropes for words although his concern and integrity do not suffer for it. Laura, on the other hand, is eloquent and loquacious, well informed and a dynamo of a speaker. She has a website and a few videos on the web. Her Mars mission episode tends to take up a lot of bandwidth on you tube. Her message and information regarding the Archons and Gaia-Sophia is impressive and inspiring. It is good that Robert goes first. Following Laura would not work. Here is the link:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post376536

[Mark]

This is a great discussion and all, love all the opinions and think everyone is stating valid truths at the level to which they are addressing. There must be a multi-dimensional reality where beings feed upon the energy of others, in an infinite creation, how can we deny the potentiality of anything? Don Juan said that the Fliers (as an example of these types of entities) gave us their minds, that they were birthed at the beginning of everything and have been here forever. Can we imagine the thought-process (no, that's too limiting), can we imagine the very essence of such entities, given our relatively materially-oriented thought processes and concerns? For those of us who have decided to go beyond the mundane, have we approached the level of spiritual maturity where we can say we are beyond the influence of such beings?

The problem is, I think we are basing our conjectures on our own personal experience, even if that experience is extended for many of us here (not in the world in general) and we have generally and consciously gone beyond in order to ascertain certain realities to the best of our individual ability. Maybe a large proportion of the world's population has not chosen to 'go beyond' and are content with their lives as lived and so are not aware of these possibilities.

I don't think people were any dumber back in the day (Gnostics, Toltecs, etc.) than people are generally today. I think that the traditions that have tales of Archons and Fliers and inorganic extra-dimensional entities took a long time in order to determine this and they did not go on individual opinion but on group consensus perhaps based upon a lot of people experiencing the same thing.

Perhaps it is possible to take this experience at its word, or at least consider the real implications of the concept, to wit:

what if it is true that practically everybody has a flier associated with them?

what if it is true that practically everybody is controlled by the Archons?

I love to be sovereign and to hold my own experience as potentially making me immune to such influence, but I really have to think about it, and have.

1) The characteristics of Archons/Fliers are consistent.

2) The symptons of Archonic/Flier invasion are consistent.

So what are they? They are described earlier in this post. I submit, as Don Juan described, that it is the EGO itself that IS the foreign installation. That it is the voice inside of your head right now that is telling you this can't be true, this has to be fake, we are sovereign, we cannot be controlled, I cannot be controlled, I am beyond the potential of being infected because I am different, I am better, I am more experienced.

If there are Archons/Fliers, they are laughing at us as they watch and influence our thought process by the very act of being our conscious thought process, for the most part. Right Now.

I'm all for being suspicious and skeptical and all that, believe me. I'd rather it not be true.

But if it is and the ancients descriptions were correct, then that which you think is you is not. If you exhibit any of the symptoms as described by either the Toltecs or Gnostics.

I'd rather cut that whole part out of the equation and just be a part of God with nothing in between it and me. To believe that we are the subjects of extra-dimensional consumption is too much like me eating a cow. Or a carrot. Like karma. Or something.

[Snowbird]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I saw an interview Jorr posted with Alfred Webre interviewing Robert first and then Laura Eisenhower. The difference is night and day in how two people present the same subject that they both agree on. He is not the best speaker and gropes for words although his concern and integrity do not suffer for it. Laura, on the other hand, is eloquent and loquacious, well informed and a dynamo of a speaker. She has a website and a few videos on the web. Her Mars mission episode tends to take up a lot of bandwidth on you tube. Her message and information regarding the Archons and Gaia-Sophia is impressive and inspiring. It is good that Robert goes first. Following Laura would not work. Here is the link:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post376536

Whoa! My brain is dizzy. Thanks to Laura, I now understand what this issue is about. She comprehends this subject within the fiber of her being. Robert has just begun to learn about this, but I'll bet after listening to Laura, he now has a much better grasp. It all makes so much sense. I will be tapping into John Lash's work.

Thanks for the link. Our Earth really does need an exorcism.

[modwiz]

Posted by Snowbird (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
I saw an interview Jorr posted with Alfred Webre interviewing Robert first and then Laura Eisenhower. The difference is night and day in how two people present the same subject that they both agree on. He is not the best speaker and gropes for words although his concern and integrity do not suffer for it. Laura, on the other hand, is eloquent and loquacious, well informed and a dynamo of a speaker. She has a website and a few videos on the web. Her Mars mission episode tends to take up a lot of bandwidth on you tube. Her message and information regarding the Archons and Gaia-Sophia is impressive and inspiring. It is good that Robert goes first. Following Laura would not work. Here is the link:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post376536

Whoa! My brain is dizzy. Thanks to Laura, I now understand what this issue is about. She comprehends this subject within the fiber of her being. Robert has just begun to learn about this, but I'll bet after listening to Laura, he now has a much better grasp. It all makes so much sense. I will be tapping into John Lash's work.

Thanks for the link. Our Earth really does need an exorcism.

I was blown away by Laura and very inspired and impressed. That was one of the most powerful and empowering half hours I ever listened to. Takes your breath away. John Lash is the man to fill in all of the spaces in the landscape she presented. He has a great catologue of work now. There has never been a better time to look at what he is doing and accomplishing with his offerings. He is at http://www.metahistory.org

[Dawn]

I just spent an hour listening to the video in the link posted above by Modwiz. Great information.

2 threads are currently occupying my interest. I have been holding the information on both threads in mind, and have had some realizations as a result. The 2 threads are this one, and this one: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...to-guide/page8

I had many years in my life where there was no infection by parasitic beings. They were a non-issue. I had no thoughts what-so-ever for about 7 years. Everything I did, and every action I took, was a sudden inspiration. I had no sense of a small personal "I". Eventually the infection discussed above, and in Castanada's excerpt posted on this thread came back. These days I have a sense of a little 'me', and carefully watch my mind so that I do not buy into negative thinking. I am showered with negative thoughts at least a dozen times daily. I am also very aware when the space in our little home becomes negative and is infected. It is as though the very air is angry, or grief stricken. That is when I use sage to clean our environment. Any time there is the least conflict with my partner- it is ALWAYS an infection which has made it's way into one of us or into our trailer. We are in the habit of rinsing our hands with water when we come back home from a trip into the outside public world, but sometimes we must also smudge.

Here is what I have realized. Eating food is a way of feeding the lower chakras. The rotting food in our digestive system also lowers the frequency of the body. Breatharianism is natural, and available to everyone who has a clear vibration through meditation, and/or a light fruit/vege diet. When someone decides to nourish themselves through prana, this nourishment comes into the body through a chakra at the base of the skull (at the back of the neck). With each breath, the prana first nourishes the upper chakras, and then flows down to the lower part of the body. Therefore a breatharian begins to exhibit all kinds of powers (siddhas) the longer they remain in this state. This is natural, and a result of starving out the archon infection, by nourishing the body without creating toxic low vibration residue.


There was some serious trolling on the breatharian thread in the beginning... and I suspect this was the result of the negative forces trying to suppress the truth about this. If more and more people decide to try this, more people loose their personal infection. That would be a powerful vote for freedom and sovereignty. I understand that about 50,000 people on the planet are breatharians now

[DNA]

Posted by Beren (here)
Another angle which is very important for this thematic here is to pose a rightful question;
why us?

Why would there exist the whole pleiades of beings just to feed upon us?

It`s the same story written all over the world and in books and scripts and rest.

We are of God.
We are God`s children and its image.

I feel a question in there some where, even though you answered most of your own questions.

Are you stating that the parasitic phenomenon can be made to go away through will of mind or through confrontation?

And in relation to your question, why would a whole plieadies of entities exist to feed upon us? I don't know about the Plieadies being involved but I think a description of the fourth dimension is in order. The Fourth Dimension


Also, and I could be wrong, but it felt to me like Rahkyt was kind of answering a lot of your statements in the post above Post #142
And even if somehow through a miracle he was not refering to your post, it through happenstance says everything I wanted to say to you, but I just don't have the endurance of mind right now. So I would suggest reading it.

[DNA]

Posted by Snowbird (here)
This is an excellent thread topic DNA. Thank you for starting this and maintaining it.

I happened to run across this extremely interesting article by Robert M. Stanley before locating this thread. He includes an excerpt from Carlos Castenada's The Active Side of Infinity. Some of these invisible amoeba creatures are huge. There are pictures at this link.

Updated November 5, 2011

Press Release from Robert M. Stanley

Fellow Citizens of Earth,

It is time to expose the covert controllers of mankind. I assure you this is not speculation, a hoax, or the figment of peoples imagination. These parasitic creatures are real and they need to be dealt with immediately so mankind can evolve to the next level of existence.

Although these parasites are not human, they feed off the negative energy/emotions of humans. It is unclear when these cosmic, amoeba-like creatures first came to earth, but we know they were discovered by shamans in altered states of consciousness long ago and have recently been photographed. The reason everyone is not seeing them on a daily basis is because the creature's energy signature is beyond our normal, narrow range of vision within the electromagnetic spectrum. What scientist call "visible light."

Ancient Gnostic texts from Egypt, called the Nag Hammadi, describe two types of demonic alien beings that invaded earth long ago which they call the Archons. The first type of Archon looks like a reptile. The other type looks like a human embryo... which has the same shape and appearance as the "sky fish" photos.

http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm

I thank you Snowbird.
I started this thread as a resource possibility. I wanted to attempt a dialogue on the subject with folks and under the best of circumstances, I hoped folks would want to share experiences in this regard. I thank everyone who has participated and helped futher the communities understanding of this phenomenon by sharing personal experiences in this regard.

[joamarks]

It is very common to find overgrowth of physical parasitical influence in people who have attachments to non physical parasitical influences.

hi 9eagle9, is see what you mean by a relationship between the two.

i personally found different (a lot) reasons why parasites can be beneficial for us.

often as a child when we are scared, feeling alone or being hurt by others, we let them in and "protect" us.
by letting us feeling the power (generated out of fear)

one of these little monsters i had to deal with from my own youth is the demon who always wants to go the opposite direction of the masses.

another is to only trust yourself, and do all the work alone.

or this one, my favorite in this times: the believe that people always chose for themselves if the **** hits the fan.

with this one you can see how sophisticated these parasite thoughts work,
because if you really believe this you will never take responsibility for your actions.
why would you if everybody else does the same.

and there is your wide abyss between you and the rest of the world.

here it is, the masterpiece of the parasites work

[joamarks]

Are you stating that the parastic phenomenon can be made to go away through will of mind or through confrontation?

i am sure it will work, but by doing it with your willpower it cost you an immense deal of energy.
the energy we all need has to be a natural flow. it comes from a limitless source. it needs to settle in ourselfs like a cat rolls up in front of a warm stove in winter. so this warm lighting energy leaves no room for parasites.

like dawn here states:

Here is what I have realized. Eating food is a way of feeding the lower chakras. The rotting food in our digestive system also lowers the frequency of the body. Breatharianism is natural, and available to everyone who has a clear vibration through meditation, and/or a light fruit/vege diet. When someone decides to nourish themselves through prana, this nourishment comes into the body through a chakra at the base of the skull (at the back of the neck). With each breath, the prana first nourishes the upper chakras, and then flows down to the lower part of the body. Therefore a breatharian begins to exhibit all kinds of powers (siddhas) the longer they remain in this state. This is natural, and a result of starving out the archon infection, by nourishing the body without creating toxic low vibration residue.

it's funny, i have the same findings at the same topic interests.

i have failed my first attempt to be a breatherian by ignoring the earthing process as part of my awareness. i thought it would go natural.
but a "thing" in my belly aria let my cells believe i was starving by not eating.
it also let my mind wander off to get disconnected to earthing which makes you float towards luciferian, air, fire energy.
this is causing a true burning up your cells sensation.

amazing stuff here! thank you all!

[joamarks]

you can't simple ignore them by thinking positive.

they have a physical connection.
though your mind they can affect your biological system, for very real!
i have even seen a kind of energy grid, in an other dimension, around our organs which effects us.
(not to make you scared ofcorse but just to be realistic.)


you have to find a alternative energy life force (healthy lifestyle) before you even think about to fight them out.

[Unified Serenity]

Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things. This thread brought to my mind Peggy Kane whom some of you will know and remember. It seems she fell victim to investing too much into finding parasites over involved in our lives and has left the online world for the most part unless she is using a different handle, her site is shut down, has been for some time.

I like Reverse Speech stuff, but she got way out there for me. I am not bringing this up to denegrate her. She was very public, had many devotees, and one day just had to end it when her bazillionth prediction did not come to pass over reptillians etc..

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
I personally like John Lamb Lash work but there are some points that are not adding up to me

1) The archons may be so but they are not responsible for our problems. If anyone is responsible for our problems is Gaia Sophia herself because it was her mistake and fall that created the archons in the first place. I like Gaia Sophia too by the way but fair is fair she should be solving the mess she created for us. If you want your creation to be self responsible you have to walk the talk don't you?

2) Why is it that there is such contradiction between what JLL says and the behaviour of the people in Terra Navis. A friend of mine just left because there is censorship there and people can not talk about entherogens and rite action. That is worriying because JLL said in one of his interviews that Terra Navis was there to see for all and nothing was to be hidden. Now Terra Navisis is no longer visible to the public...so no transparency there. I don't like secrecy myself and the fact that the warriors are now hidding for fear of being discovered is just funny IMHO. JLL said in one of his interviews that they are supposed to be more dangerous dead than alive...bit contradictory it appears to be. Prudence does not hold when there is such a bravado being put out by JLL himself?

3) I do appreciate that we are ruled by psychopaths but where does it end? How many people would a handful of warriors be able to deal with? The system has hundreds of thousands of heads that will replace the fallen ones so, it does not seem like a viable plan to me.

Perhaps the most significant issue is that people will want to have some leaders because they do not know how to be self governing so, even if the dominators are all sent to better pasture the problem on Earth will continue. It is us the ones that are allowing the elites to be there and it has to be a shift in consciousness before the chaos we are under changes. Getting rid of people will not change our predicament. We are the ones that are choosing to be victimized IMHO and the ones that have choosen not to care about the planet. We have to change that mentality and mature into self responsibility. That is unlikely to happen any time soon?

4) The gnostics were not the first group of enlightened people in the planet. There are records that the Celts were as enlightened if no more enlightened than the gnostics. Contrary to the impression that is being given the Celts did defended their territory for many centuries, perhaps a whole milenioum only to fall finally to the Normans. The traditions of the Celts are scatered but if one looks hard enough there are true druidic teachings still available. Much of what is in print is made up of course but there are honest druids too. So we are talking about unbroken Celtic traditions. I am not an expert and I do not know if there is a paralell Sophianic vision or not

5) On the basis that only Gaia Sophia has the power to eliminate anyone here, why then we need warriors? Why she can not do the work and that is it? As I said, she created the problem in the first place and it is a problem that looks beyond our skills and capacity in this moment?


I do not belong to terra navis and my friend is unable to answer my questions. I wonder if anyone here is from Terra Navis and can answer my questions?

I do not care to address too much of your post for reasons that do not matter, but: Druids were a branch of Gnostic knowledge so Celtic knowledge was a branch of Gnosticism with it own cultural flavor/peculiarities.

A closed to the public forum is not closed to the 'all seeing eye'. Talk of RA and any other topic that could call in feds is just ignorant. The need to discuss RA shows a side too eager for the work to make me feel comfortable. Such eagerness has the smell of psychopathy, IMO. The sacred call to remedy a predator problem is not for idle banter, especially in a situation that is not truly secure from possible interested parties. The ones currently leaving terra navis are part of a cleansing or distillation process, from what I can tell.

These are just opinions, I make no claim to be, 'in the know'.

I am not interested in discussing Rite Action's details and I actually think that JLL pre-emtied his plans too soon with a great deal of bravado. Doing so he might have attracted the wrong kind of people to his experiment but that asside, I have a problem with people that offer one thing and does another, it shows lack of integrity and that makes me think that this experiment holds very little promise. Compromissing is what has brought humanity to the state it is, when you compromise you lose your ethical bearings and either you are transparent or you are not, you can not be both or half transparent...one quarter transparent...no it will not do. Those who have something to hide are not better than the illuminati they despise

So what else is there, watching the sky and while a very honourable practice, you can watch the sky to your heart content but that will require decades of watching to get some enlightement. Here on Earth things are hotting up and the drums of war are being sounded. If there are solutions they should be shared openly so anyone that can participate can help

Saying that rite action is not a solution IMHO but the extension of the violence that started about 1000 ya BC in this neck of the woods

I disagree with you about the Celts, for starters their creation myth is different than the Gnostic vision and there are authors like Michael Tsarion that have written about the Irish origins of civilization impliying that culture was here many thousands of years before and then it was taken to the middle East as the Celts expanded their territories. Hence the gnostics might have inherited the mysteries from the Celts and not the other way around. Lets face it, there is so little left by the gnostics that anybody can say anything. Instead the Celts left much more behind them. Here first of 6 the lecture by Michael Tsarion on the subject https://youtube.com/watch?v=x-1nSnlBdR0

Regarding the Myth of Sophia I am researching the Celts to see if there are paralells. As far as I have understood thus far the Celts consider the planet a living being and Gwenhwyfar a goddess and anima mundi. As far as the aons they are the gods and they fall and go back all the time so no big deal whether Sophia fell and why

Personally I think that the whole concept of putting people's lives and destiny on the hands of aspirants to sorcerers apprentice who had no shamanic or sorcerer training to achieve the required wisdom AWFUL. IMHO is not better than what the illuminati do and follows on the hero complex which also sucks

If we are going to get anywhere it will have to be through maturity and wisdom and not by force and assasinations . In any case, Sophia created this mess allegedly so she should fix it...so why she doesn't?

Ahhhh...things are not that straight forward. I do believe that JLL means well but I do not think he has a real solution for humany. Indeed there are some very scary videos that are being posted in you tube that incite violence and that is not a good thing like this https://youtube.com/watch?v=sfUMD...eature=related I don't know if this is a member of your forum but boy! totaly the wrong message

Kick ass is what the illuminati do and if we are going to turn this one around can only be with wisdom. We are the ones that have allowed the elites to be in power, we as a whole act in a inhumane way by exploiting unwittingly our fellow humans in undeveloped countries, we are the ones that with our unsatiable desire for goods are destroying the planet. How many billions of people are the telestai going to kill? It is totaly ridiculous and does not serve humanity

We do not need more violence...violence does not work period....we either wise up to live in cooperation with each other and ditch competition or we will be the architects of our own demise, not the archons, we are the ones with the problem...we fell for the temptation and accepted the survival of the fittest paradigm...not the archons...think about it

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things. This thread brought to my mind Peggy Kane whom some of you will know and remember. It seems she fell victim to investing too much into finding parasites over involved in our lives and has left the online world for the most part unless she is using a different handle, her site is shut down, has been for some time.

I like Reverse Speech stuff, but she got way out there for me. I am not bringing this up to denegrate her. She was very public, had many devotees, and one day just had to end it when her bazillionth prediction did not come to pass over reptillians etc..

I agree, what one fears is what enslave us. To overcome anything the best way is mindfulness and fearlessness

Blaming whatever for our ills is the problem that keep us in the loop, it is called co-dependency and is a dead end IMHO

[stardustaquarion]

Here there is a very long playlist with Michael Tsarion's thoughts... https://youtube.com/playlist?src_...A15&feature=iv

It is us that pay the taxes that funds the military that go and kill inocent people...it is us that pay for the petrol that companies extract from the amazon forest and burn thousands of trees in the process...etc

Who then are the parasites? our rulers or us that give them the money to destroy? Civil desovedience, petitions, joining stop the war coalition and other similar groups will do much more for civilization than thinking that a group of sorcerers apprentices will come and save us....how is that different than expecting the ET to save us? or anyone else to save us? We need to start walking the talk to the best of our ability and live in a humane and considerate way with the planet and our fellow human beings...then the empire will fail because we will provide for our needs and want not what we do not need

[DNA]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things. This thread brought to my mind Peggy Kane whom some of you will know and remember. It seems she fell victim to investing too much into finding parasites over involved in our lives and has left the online world for the most part unless she is using a different handle, her site is shut down, has been for some time.

I like Reverse Speech stuff, but she got way out there for me. I am not bringing this up to denegrate her. She was very public, had many devotees, and one day just had to end it when her bazillionth prediction did not come to pass over reptillians etc..

That's kind of like saying "he who must not be named" or "you know who", because we are too afraid to talk about it.
I think there are several different paths here.
For instance, I never once lay any of this at the feet of a reptillian race, and I don't look at it as Good versus Evil or God versus the Devil.
I think that way lies suspicion, fear and paranoia.

I personally look at this as a chance to share experiences, and to see if anyone else has correlating experience to share.
This is a rare oppurtunity. Most of our families and freinds are not going to be too open about this kind of thing, so it's nice we have a place we can come to discuss these sort of things.

Most importantly,I just want to open the topic to an unseen form of sentient being, which seems to inhabit our realm outside the confines of our visual capacity.

I've discussed some personal experiences with four D parasites, but, as far as I'm concerned, this whole thing with the Castanada fliers is conjecture and here-say.
I've never seen a flier, and until I do, the matter remains speculative. And even if I saw one it would remain speculative.

I think the danger comes when you start believing any of this stuff, and taking yourself too seriously.
One has to keep an open mind, keep a sense of humor and remain in a state of flux.
There are no constants, and even if this stuff is real, our definitions of them should constantly be changing to accomadate more data.

[stardustaquarion]

I don't know if you have read the Active Side of Infinity by Castaneda DNA, but Castaneda basically failed to go though the threshold, he was too afraid. Who know whether the fliers are real or just his own fears?

[DNA]

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
I don't know if you have read the Active Side of Infinity by Castaneda DNA, but Castaneda basically failed to go though the threshold, he was too afraid. Who know whether the fliers are real or just his own fears?

SDA, I'm pretty up on the books. It could be that the whole thing with Don Juan and his party walking through some kind of cosmic vaginia into infinity was some kind of metaphor, as mentioned in "The Eagle's Gift". It could be that the threshold really is death.

I for one subscribe to a reincarnation version of reality, and I'm cool with that. I have no aspirations of walking through the cosmic vaginia, I am quite okay with living my life and moving on the old fashioned way.

[Beren]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
Another angle which is very important for this thematic here is to pose a rightful question;
why us?

Why would there exist the whole pleiades of beings just to feed upon us?

It`s the same story written all over the world and in books and scripts and rest.

We are of God.
We are God`s children and its image.

I feel a question in there some where, even though you answered most of your own questions.

Are you stating that the parasitic phenomenon can be made to go away through will of mind or through confrontation?

And in relation to your question, why would a whole plieadies of entities exist to feed upon us? I don't know about the Plieadies being involved but I think a description of the fourth dimension is in order. The Fourth Dimension


Also, and I could be wrong, but it felt to me like Rahkyt was kind of answering a lot of your statements in the post above Post #142
And even if somehow through a miracle he was not refering to your post, it through happenstance says everything I wanted to say to you, but I just don't have the endurance of mind right now. So I would suggest reading it.

Pleiades is a figure of speech it's more european than american and it's got nothing to do with Pleiadians (star folk)...

What is important is your own will to pursue your own matters. Not theirs.

Free will is a universal law and they know it. But what they 'd do is to distract you , lead you from your own path to their own, make you think that is IS your decision .

It's something like you hear the voice of a being that tell you to steal or kill or insult someone and you do it and when you are confronted by victim you could say a voice made me do it or a friend made me do it... But always that voice or a friend can say well it was your last call - you did it - not me.
You could have always change your choice ...

And they would tell the truth. But certainly they can not elude the fact that though it was your decision -THEY put lot of energy upon you so your gaze would stray from your aim and so you'd think that YOU MUST decide this or that way when fact is you do not have to do anything.

Key is to focus about your own feeling or will, not theirs.
If you have a though about lust or hate towards someone ,ask yourself why I am having this thought?
Is it mine ?
Who wants me energized in this or that direction so it could reap the energy involved?

[DNA]

Posted by Beren (here)
What is important is your own will to pursue your own matters. Not theirs.

Free will is a universal law and they know it. But what they 'd do is to distract you , lead you from your own path to their own, make you think that is IS your decision .

It's something like you hear the voice of a being that tell you to steal or kill or insult someone and you do it and when you are confronted by victim you could say a voice made me do it or a friend made me do it... But always that voice or a friend can say well it was your last call - you did it - not me.
You could have always change your choice ...

And they would tell the truth. But certainly they can not elude the fact that though it was your decision -THEY put lot of energy upon you so your gaze would stray from your aim and so you'd think that YOU MUST decide this or that way when fact is you do not have to do anything.

Key is to focus about your own feeling or will, not theirs.
If you have a though about lust or hate towards someone ,ask yourself why I am having this thought?
Is it mine ?
Who wants me energized in this or that direction so it could reap the energy involved?

But what if your will is theirs? What if everything you have decided you want as a goal in this life, isn't really your goals? Atleast this is the thinking of Castaneda, and I really appreciate his solution to this. Which is,,,,,just stop thinking about it.

Don't substitute goals, or enter into a internal dialogue about it, just stop thinking about it. ( I for one think the worst thing you can do is enter into an internal bout of circular logic on the subject) I like the prescription of discipline and internal silence.

Why the discipline? Because in my opinion it is the key to internal silence. I don't think sitting in a lotus position and ordering your mind to sit still is nearly as effective as dancing to a good beat and working your way into a trance of sorts. That's the cool thing about discipline, use whatever works for you. I was lucky in the sense that my exposure to these books coincided with my extreme participation in martial arts. Martial arts is a kick ass discipline for applying Castaneda no-mindedness. Breathing exercises work too. For me, I would suggest a physical discipline though.


You've heard pro-athletes talk about the mystical zone they get into at some point during a game? This is that place of no-mindedness, they are no longer thinking anymore, they just are.

Musical instruments would probably work too, unfortunatly I don't play one.

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DNA your will is yours...what happens is that we have been raised as sheeple and to conform and that is what needs shaking. Reflection more than perferction on the actions we take every day and gently so the personality transitions into truth without difficulty

Self watching does not have to be hard work, it is about positioning consciousness at the crown of the head and from them to look at one's life as if one is looking to a movie. At first it will be fleeting seconds but in time (your time it is not good to rush it) the spans of conscious attention increases. It is not about repressing, nor stopping thoughts or feelings. It is about choosing what will be the best and wisest attitude each moment we are able. The more we do this, the more time one lives in awareness or in the now. It is not difficult nor easy, it takes time and patience but is a skill natural to all humans. We used to live in that attention prior the wars and we can do it again

Going into the woods helps loads because the forests are in the now and they do not focus on the future or the past. It is about observing more than thinking about things

Another technique is pretending you are taking it all in to make a painting and so you want to remember everything in that particular moment. It may be hard at the begining but observation will become a habbit and live flourishes in the sun of the now whatever the weather

No need for lottus sitting or any parafernalia...simplicity and patience are the keys IMHO

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