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    Default Re: Ron Paul Exposed?

    Risevglio,

    It never happened...

    T Smith: Are you certain that is not your vision of Ron Paul's vision.

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    They finally did a feature on Ron Paul last night on CBS news. At the end of the interview of course they spoke to a woman who said she supported him but was afraid it would be a "wasted vote." The night before the news announcer mentioned Newt Ginrich and "the next nearest contender" never mentioning Paul. Bogus.
    WASTED VOTE = This is how they convince many to not vote for who they truly believe in. DO NOT fall for this ploy, yet again.
    In your 72 years do you think you have seen voting change things that the people that run USA didn't want changed?
    Good question - and the answer is NO, not really. Nor do I believe the votes are counted honestly. But what do we do - roll over and say: We can't win because we can't beat them on the streets, they have bigger and more powerful weapons and don't hesitate to use them on us. We can't beat them in the polls because they only put up candidates that are already in their pockets.

    I wasn't inferring that Ron Paul would win if we voted for him, as I don't think that's possible. And frankly, if the miracle happened and he did win, IMO his hands would be tied once he got into office.

    I guess my point was that if we are going to participate, we should do what are hearts are telling us rather than what TPTb are trying to manipulate us to do. At least make them work at winning and in doing so they show each time they show their hands more readily and hopefully help to wake more people up.
    Thank you for your response Ba-ba-Ra. I agree that there is no easy solution. I also feel that (here in the UK) the votes are not counted properly. I'd go on to say that there are people around that admit to having voted several times over (having been asked to do it by those wishing to manipulate the result) in certain elections. I've known people to vote at 17 when voting is for 18 and over; seen people vote at elections without providing identification; know that stored election papers have been binned soon after the election when they are meant to be kept for a certain time. I also worked in a building "on the banks of the Thames" where they had a database (like the phone directory) relating (apparently) to all households in the UK. I checked on this "list for GB" all the households I knew. Most of them had a good many more people living there than were actually there in real life.

    The people that think they are in charge are obsessed with control. I only have direct experience of democracy denied after the ballot box (being in UK equivalent of US GAO) and some anecdotal evidence of cheating at the ballot box but I would bet that it is denied before, at and after the vote takes place. I'd also be surprised if the same system wasn't in operation in other so called democracies.

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    They finally did a feature on Ron Paul last night on CBS news. At the end of the interview of course they spoke to a woman who said she supported him but was afraid it would be a "wasted vote." The night before the news announcer mentioned Newt Ginrich and "the next nearest contender" never mentioning Paul. Bogus.
    WASTED VOTE = This is how they convince many to not vote for who they truly believe in. DO NOT fall for this ploy, yet again.
    In your 72 years do you think you have seen voting change things that the people that run USA didn't want changed?
    Good question - and the answer is NO, not really. Nor do I believe the votes are counted honestly. But what do we do - roll over and say: We can't win because we can't beat them on the streets, they have bigger and more powerful weapons and don't hesitate to use them on us. We can't beat them in the polls because they only put up candidates that are already in their pockets.

    I wasn't inferring that Ron Paul would win if we voted for him, as I don't think that's possible. And frankly, if the miracle happened and he did win, IMO his hands would be tied once he got into office.

    I guess my point was that if we are going to participate, we should do what are hearts are telling us rather than what TPTb are trying to manipulate us to do. At least make them work at winning and in doing so they show each time they show their hands more readily and hopefully help to wake more people up.
    Thank you for your response Ba-ba-Ra. I agree that there is no easy solution. I also feel that (here in the UK) the votes are not counted properly. I'd go on to say that there are people around that admit to having voted several times over (having been asked to do it by those wishing to manipulate the result) in certain elections. I've known people to vote at 17 when voting is for 18 and over; seen people vote at elections without providing identification; know that stored election papers have been binned soon after the election when they are meant to be kept for a certain time. I also worked in a building "on the banks of the Thames" where they had a database (like the phone directory) relating (apparently) to all households in the UK. I checked on this "list for GB" all the households I knew. Most of them had a good many more people living there than were actually there in real life.

    The people that think they are in charge are obsessed with control. I only have direct experience of democracy denied after the ballot box (being in UK equivalent of US GAO) and some anecdotal evidence of cheating at the ballot box but I would bet that it is denied before, at and after the vote takes place. I'd also be surprised if the same system wasn't in operation in other so called democracies.
    Hi Lochinvar, It sounds as if we have the same concerns. Sometimes things appear so bleak that it's difficult to maintain hope. I posted the following under the Fulford lawsuit thread, but I thought it might help here.

    Like many, I'm finding myself oscillating between hope and skepticism over this event. And I have to remind myself that what we call miracles, do happen. I've seen them, experienced them. While I realize this would be a BIG miracle, I'm reminded that there is no degree in miracles. It is our perception that defines them by degrees.

    I posted this some time ago, but I feel it might help here. A year or so ago we had a situation in our small community that seemed impossible to resolve - and it was a horrible situation. It had three components to it - an economical, a physical and an emotional. The neighborhood was depressed thinking we would have to contend with this problem forever. I kept telling everyone that we had to trust the Universe and believe in a miracle. But in truth, I really didn't see a way out myself. And then one day, it just happened. Three synchronistic events all came together, none of which were even in consideration - and in the blink of an eye the whole situation was resolved. Without going into details which would take too long, you'll have to trust me when I say this was a monumental situation.

    I have to keep reminding myself of that story. And even with reminding myself, it's still difficult to believe sometimes that this whole political, economic mess could change into the wonderful world we all dream of ~ but maybe somebody (God, angels, ET's) has the ability to draw a line in the sand and say enough.
    Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light!

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

    Part of the problem of this board is that there is plenty of theory threads but few solution/action threads. I think we need a list of possible solutions as a sticky at the top lest we become a group of idle theoreticians.

    I feel that by voting you are entering into an agreement for someone else to look after your affairs. You are also agreeing to pay them for this service (through tax). I'd like to see a government try to govern when nobody has voted so they'd have no mandate. I'd also like to see how things would change if nobody paid tax but instead used the money to buy physical precious metals which were then used to replace cash. Got to try something different if you want a different outcome.

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    Risevglio,

    It never happened...

    T Smith: Are you certain that is not your vision of Ron Paul's vision.
    You think the story is completely made up? That would be disappointing.

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    Quote Posted by alienHunter (here)
    Risevglio,

    It never happened...

    T Smith: Are you certain that is not your vision of Ron Paul's vision.
    I am fairly certain, yes. I am of course open to being incorrect on this issue, and if you believe I am creating my own reality by all means please correct me. I base my judgement, however, on a colossal amount of research on Ron Paul's philosophical bent, which is founded on very simple principals. Once you have a grasp of the philosophy, and on the principles, it's almost impossible not to understand any particular position with accuracy and clarity of one who espouses the philosophy.
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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    I'd also like to see how things would change if nobody paid tax but instead used the money to buy physical precious metals which were then used to replace cash. Got to try something different if you want a different outcome.
    Hmmm. That sounds kinda like the gold standard to me. Not that I don't think it's a good idea...

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

    Shock Poll: Ron Paul Tied for First in Iowa

    Scientific Public Policy Polling finds that ‘Paul closes in on Gingrich,’ now statistically tied for the lead in Iowa



    A breaking poll conducted by the Public Policy Polling organization shows Rep. Ron Paul in a statistical tie for first place among likely GOP voters next to Newt Gingrich, the first poll yet to show Texas Congressman in a position to win outright in the Iowa Caucus, the nation’s leader in the 2012 GOP primary.

    Though Newt Gingrich had a clear lead last week, Paul has closed the margin, now polling at 21%, statistically matching Gingrich’s 22%. As the above graphic shows, the libertarian-leaning Congressman has tremendous support in Iowa, which is only growing. Mitt Romney remains at third with 16%. The standard margin of error for scientific polls is 3%.
    “Newt Gingrich’s momentum is fading in Iowa,” commented the President of Public Policy Polling Dean Debnam. “Meanwhile Ron Paul is building an unusual coalition of support for a Republican primary. The big question is: will they really turn out?”

    Further, the polling results show that Ron Paul supporters tended to be staunch and firm in their candidate, with 77% “definite” in their choice, while Gingrich supporters were only 54% certain, according to the poll. Iowa goes to caucus January 3rd.

    From the Public Policy Polling website:

    Paul closes in on Gingrich


    There has been some major movement in the Republican Presidential race in Iowa over the last week, with what was a 9 point lead for Newt Gingrich now all the way down to a single point. Gingrich is at 22% to 21% for Paul with Mitt Romney at 16%, Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry at 9%, Rick Santorum at 8%, Jon Huntsman at 5%, and Gary Johnson at 1%.
    Gingrich has dropped 5 points in the last week and he’s also seen a significant decline in his favorability numbers. Last week he was at +31 (62/31) and he’s now dropped 19 points to +12 (52/40). The attacks on him appear to be taking a heavy toll- his support with Tea Party voters has declined from 35% to 24%.

    Paul meanwhile has seen a big increase in his popularity from +14 (52/38) to +30 (61/31). There are a lot of parallels between Paul’s strength in Iowa and Barack Obama’s in 2008- he’s doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters:
    -59% of likely voters participated in the 2008 Republican caucus and they support Gingrich 26-18. But among the 41% of likely voters who are ‘new’ for 2012 Paul leads Gingrich 25-17 with Romney at 16%. Paul is doing a good job of bringing out folks who haven’t done this before.

    source: http://www.infowars.com/shock-poll-r...-first-in-iow/
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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

    Sigh. We Americans live in a country where an exposed bag of sh!t like Newt holds the lead currently. A man who should only be approached with garlic , silver bullets and a stake is actually being considered by people who identify with the cold hearted Republican message. The two parties offer two ridiculous choices. Bleeding hearts and heartless. Neither choice is reasonable but the latter is unacceptable. Still that group is currently supporting a Newt.

    A little blast from his heartless past:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gary-john...kes-marijuana/

    I give you the death penalty for smoking marijuana, by Newt (POS) Gingrich. The man in the lead.

    Power to the people. Yeah right!

    BTW. Good for Ron Paul.
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    Default Ron Paul Ad: Politicians 'Bought & Paid For' Newt Gingrich - Selling Access..!

    Newt Gingrich: Selling Access



    PS - Keep em coming Ron, this is the Best US Presidential Campaign I have ever seen...

    Why? - Because its based on the nothing but the TRUTH..!


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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    Sigh. We Americans live in a country where an exposed bag of sh!t like Newt holds the lead currently. A man who should only be approached with garlic , silver bullets and a stake is actually being considered by people who identify with the cold hearted Republican message. The two parties offer two ridiculous choices. Bleeding hearts and heartless. Neither choice is reasonable but the latter is unacceptable. Still that group is currently supporting a Newt.

    A little blast from his heartless past:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gary-john...kes-marijuana/

    I give you the death penalty for smoking marijuana, by Newt (POS) Gingrich. The man in the lead.

    Power to the people. Yeah right!
    Agreed...

    Here is Ron Paul's Latest Campaign Ad - Exposing Newt for the (NWO Criminal) he is..!


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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

    i don't put too much faith into polls to be honest but going on that particular poll Gingrich appears to be fading and Mr Paul appears to be gaining strength at just the right time.Next couple of weeks should be interesting

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    Sigh. We Americans live in a country where an exposed bag of sh!t like Newt holds the lead currently. A man who should only be approached with garlic , silver bullets and a stake is actually being considered by people who identify with the cold hearted Republican message. The two parties offer two ridiculous choices. Bleeding hearts and heartless. Neither choice is reasonable but the latter is unacceptable. Still that group is currently supporting a Newt.

    A little blast from his heartless past:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gary-john...kes-marijuana/

    I give you the death penalty for smoking marijuana, by Newt (POS) Gingrich. The man in the lead.

    Power to the people. Yeah right!
    Agreed...

    Here is Ron Paul's Latest Campaign Ad - Exposing Newt for the (NWO Criminal) he is..!

    My problem with this is it comes from a template and depends on cliche. That is to say it is just another ad.......to ignore. I wish RP would make ads that are not just the same old white noise format with a different target. This is a sheeple ad. Somebody needs to say, in real words, not sound bites, that Newt is a bad man. A man of no morals who can and will be bought by the highest bidder, He is a man who cannot be trusted... ever. Unless you are comfortable with trusting him to sell himself. You can certainly trust him to do that.

    Can't a zionist shill be brought down in a nation of Gentiles, for Christ's sake?

    Literally, for Christ's sake!

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    Sigh. We Americans live in a country where an exposed bag of sh!t like Newt holds the lead currently. A man who should only be approached with garlic , silver bullets and a stake is actually being considered by people who identify with the cold hearted Republican message. The two parties offer two ridiculous choices. Bleeding hearts and heartless. Neither choice is reasonable but the latter is unacceptable. Still that group is currently supporting a Newt.

    A little blast from his heartless past:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gary-john...kes-marijuana/

    I give you the death penalty for smoking marijuana, by Newt (POS) Gingrich. The man in the lead.

    Power to the people. Yeah right!
    Agreed...

    Here is Ron Paul's Latest Campaign Ad - Exposing Newt for the (NWO Criminal) he is..!

    My problem with this is it comes from a template and depends on cliche. That is to say it is just another ad.......to ignore. I wish RP would make ads that are not just the same old white noise format with a different target. This is a sheeple ad. Somebody needs to say, in real words, not sound bites, that Newt is a bad man. A man of no morals who can and will be bought by the highest bidder, He is a man who cannot be trusted... ever. Unless you are comfortable with trusting him to sell himself. You can certainly trust him to do that.

    Can't a zionist shill be brought down in a nation of Gentiles, for Christ's sake?

    Literally, for Christ's sake!
    Quote This is a sheeple ad
    That's 'Exactly' why I like it...

    The 'Sheeple' make up the Majority of the Voters in America, that Ad 'Cuts' straight to the point and this type of Ad would have far more 'Effect' on the time poor brainwashed 'Sheeple' than a Long-Winded explanation...

    With the limited Air Time Ron Paul has recieved in the debates his Campaign team are only going to 'Beat' the OWO/MSM by playing their own game..!

    Now get back in front of the TV, and do as your told like the rest of the 'Sheeple'...
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    Sigh. We Americans live in a country where an exposed bag of sh!t like Newt holds the lead currently. A man who should only be approached with garlic , silver bullets and a stake is actually being considered by people who identify with the cold hearted Republican message. The two parties offer two ridiculous choices. Bleeding hearts and heartless. Neither choice is reasonable but the latter is unacceptable. Still that group is currently supporting a Newt.

    A little blast from his heartless past:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gary-john...kes-marijuana/

    I give you the death penalty for smoking marijuana, by Newt (POS) Gingrich. The man in the lead.

    Power to the people. Yeah right!
    Agreed...

    Here is Ron Paul's Latest Campaign Ad - Exposing Newt for the (NWO Criminal) he is..!
    My problem with this is it comes from a template and depends on cliche. That is to say it is just another ad.......to ignore. I wish RP would make ads that are not just the same old white noise format with a different target. This is a sheeple ad. Somebody needs to say, in real words, not sound bites, that Newt is a bad man. A man of no morals who can and will be bought by the highest bidder, He is a man who cannot be trusted... ever. Unless you are comfortable with trusting him to sell himself. You can certainly trust him to do that.

    Can't a zionist shill be brought down in a nation of Gentiles, for Christ's sake?

    Literally, for Christ's sake!
    Quote This is a sheeple ad
    That's 'Exactly' why I like it...

    The 'Sheeple' make up the Majority of the Voters in America, that Ad 'Cuts' straight to the point and this type of Ad would have far more 'Effect' on the time poor brainwashed 'Sheeple' than a Long-Winded explanation...

    With the limited Air Time Ron Paul has recieved in the debates his Campaign team are only going to 'Beat' the OWO/MSM by playing their own game..!

    Now get back in front of the TV Modwiz...
    No TV for 20 months now. It's like not eating at mcdonalds.

    Food, with a clown for a mascot. How freakin' appropriate is that.

    Tastes funny!

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    Sigh. We Americans live in a country where an exposed bag of sh!t like Newt holds the lead currently. A man who should only be approached with garlic , silver bullets and a stake is actually being considered by people who identify with the cold hearted Republican message. The two parties offer two ridiculous choices. Bleeding hearts and heartless. Neither choice is reasonable but the latter is unacceptable. Still that group is currently supporting a Newt.

    A little blast from his heartless past:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gary-john...kes-marijuana/

    I give you the death penalty for smoking marijuana, by Newt (POS) Gingrich. The man in the lead.

    Power to the people. Yeah right!
    Agreed...

    Here is Ron Paul's Latest Campaign Ad - Exposing Newt for the (NWO Criminal) he is..!
    My problem with this is it comes from a template and depends on cliche. That is to say it is just another ad.......to ignore. I wish RP would make ads that are not just the same old white noise format with a different target. This is a sheeple ad. Somebody needs to say, in real words, not sound bites, that Newt is a bad man. A man of no morals who can and will be bought by the highest bidder, He is a man who cannot be trusted... ever. Unless you are comfortable with trusting him to sell himself. You can certainly trust him to do that.

    Can't a zionist shill be brought down in a nation of Gentiles, for Christ's sake?

    Literally, for Christ's sake!
    Quote This is a sheeple ad
    That's 'Exactly' why I like it...

    The 'Sheeple' make up the Majority of the Voters in America, that Ad 'Cuts' straight to the point and this type of Ad would have far more 'Effect' on the time poor brainwashed 'Sheeple' than a Long-Winded explanation...

    With the limited Air Time Ron Paul has recieved in the debates his Campaign team are only going to 'Beat' the OWO/MSM by playing their own game..!

    Now get back in front of the TV Modwiz...
    No TV for 20 months now. It's like not eating at mcdonalds.

    Food, with a clown for a mascot. How freakin' appropriate is that.

    Tastes funny!
    I only watch the TV for Sport and flick on in the morning for the News Headlines...

    I just can't bring myself to watch the 'Guilty Politicians' parade around like they are Gods and everything is fine..!

    On the Odd occassion, I do catch one of them on the box, I visualise them with their hands behind their backs (Handcuffed) whilst being marched out from the courts in full view of the public via a Police PaddyWagon on their way to Jail..!

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    Default Re: Ron Paul surging in Iowa... impossible to ignore him now

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    Agreed...

    Here is Ron Paul's Latest Campaign Ad - Exposing Newt for the (NWO Criminal) he is..!
    My problem with this is it comes from a template and depends on cliche. That is to say it is just another ad.......to ignore. I wish RP would make ads that are not just the same old white noise format with a different target. This is a sheeple ad. Somebody needs to say, in real words, not sound bites, that Newt is a bad man. A man of no morals who can and will be bought by the highest bidder, He is a man who cannot be trusted... ever. Unless you are comfortable with trusting him to sell himself. You can certainly trust him to do that.

    Can't a zionist shill be brought down in a nation of Gentiles, for Christ's sake?

    Literally, for Christ's sake!
    Quote This is a sheeple ad
    That's 'Exactly' why I like it...

    The 'Sheeple' make up the Majority of the Voters in America, that Ad 'Cuts' straight to the point and this type of Ad would have far more 'Effect' on the time poor brainwashed 'Sheeple' than a Long-Winded explanation...

    With the limited Air Time Ron Paul has recieved in the debates his Campaign team are only going to 'Beat' the OWO/MSM by playing their own game..!

    Now get back in front of the TV Modwiz...
    No TV for 20 months now. It's like not eating at mcdonalds.

    Food, with a clown for a mascot. How freakin' appropriate is that.

    Tastes funny!
    I only watch the TV for Sport and flick on in the morning for the News Headlines...

    I just can't bring myself to watch the 'Guilty Politicians' parade around like they are Gods and everything is fine..!

    On the Odd occassion, I do catch one of them on the box, I visualise them with their hands behind their backs (Handcuffed) whilst being marched out from the courts in full view of the public via a Police PaddyWagon on their way to Jail..!
    You're a nice man. I picture them festooning lampposts and sturdy branches. The crows love it.

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    Default Alex Jones Quote: "1 of the Most Powerful Interviews I've had with Ron Paul"..!

    Ron Paul: Defense Bill Establishes Martial Law In America

    Congressman condemns “bold, arrogant, dangerous move to intern Americans without trial

    Tuesday, December 13, 2011

    Top tier presidential candidate Ron Paul has decried the ‘indefinite detention’ provision of the National Defense Authorization Act, warning that it represents an arrogant, bold and dangerous attempt to establish martial law in America.



    Speaking with the Alex Jones Show today, Congressman Paul went on the offensive against the bill, which is set to be signed into law by President Obama later this week.

    Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which itself defines the entirety of the United States as a “battlefield,” allows American citizens to be snatched from the streets, carted off to a foreign detention camp and held indefinitely without trial. The bill states that “any person who has committed a belligerent act” faces indefinite detention, but no trial or evidence has to be presented, the White House merely needs to make the accusation.

    Paul said he saw significance in “the announcement and the arrogance of it all,” making reference to the Obama administration’s claim that it can now assassinate American citizens anywhere in the world and noting that the passage of the NDAA bill is an effort to codify the policy into law.

    “This is a giant step – this should be the biggest news going right now – literally legalizing martial law,” said Paul, noting that the subject did not come up at all in any of the Republican debates.

    The Congressman also decried the “arrogance” of an attempt to push through via a voice vote an amendment that would have still authorized indefinite detention even if a detainee was found innocent after a trial. The amendment was narrowly defeated by his son, Senator Rand Paul.

    “This is big,” emphasized Paul, adding “This step where they can literally arrest American citizens and put them away without trial….is arrogant and bold and dangerous.”


    Please help this important video go viral by spreading it to your friends and contacts.

    Despite speculation that the Obama administration would veto the bill, it emerged yesterday that it was the White House itself which worked to remove language from the bill that would have protected American citizens from indefinite detention under Section 1031.

    The administration has been working with lawmakers to alter a separate provision, Section 1032, which pertains to the military being required to take custody of individuals.

    With the administration’s concerns over Section 1032 now largely resolved, a revised and final version of the bill could be signed into law before the end of the week.

    “The conferees said they plan to bring the bill to the House floor for a vote as soon as Wednesday afternoon and to the Senate soon thereafter,” reports Politico.

    Despite the revisions, the bill still contains language that allows Americans to be detained without trial at a detention center anywhere in the world.

    Republican Congressman Justin Amash has again warned that lawmakers are attempting to mislead the American people by claiming U.S. citizens are exempt from the most dangerous provisions of the bill.

    “Pres. Obama and many Members of Congress believe the President ALREADY has the authority the bill grants him. Legally, of course, he does not. This language was inserted to keep proponents and opponents of the bill appeased, while permitting the President to assert that the improper power he has claimed all along is now in statute,” writes Amash.

    “They will say that American citizens are specifically exempted under the following language in Sec. 1032: “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. Don’t be fooled. All this says is that the President is not REQUIRED to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or trial. It still PERMITS him to do so,” warns the Congressman.

    Amash is encouraging Americans to contact their representatives and sign a petition expressing their opposition to the NDAA bill, calling it “one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime.”

    Click here to listen to the interview with Ron Paul in full.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul...n-america.html

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    even with the updated language, this is an incarceration sentence to any and all americans that seek to educate about the truth. if this bill is signed into law, each and every american citizen is at risk. they will use it too their full advantage. contact your representatives now. don't wait.
    regards, corson

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    Default Re: Alex Jones Quote: "1 of the Most Powerful Interviews I've had with Ron Paul"..!

    Wow , He is so on the ball, if only he can get past the mainline PTB, media.....I liked what he said about 'false' flags , the 'Drone' debacle, the Fed...
    You can tell he knows all about TNWO and if elected would do something about it......The same was thought of Obama but he's a clone from the Bush stables...

    I would vote for him and i would be classed as a democrat in the States , he has obvious appeal for all people , Will he get past the 'Corporate Gangsters'.
    Who run the US ? and the west ,I hope so !!.....Steve
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