Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
I don't know if you have read the Active Side of Infinity by Castaneda DNA, but Castaneda basically failed to go though the threshold, he was too afraid. Who know whether the fliers are real or just his own fears?

SDA, I'm pretty up on the books. It could be that the whole thing with Don Juan and his party walking through some kind of cosmic vaginia into infinity was some kind of metaphor, as mentioned in "The Eagle's Gift". It could be that the threshold really is death.

I for one subscribe to a reincarnation version of reality, and I'm cool with that. I have no aspirations of walking through the cosmic vaginia, I am quite okay with living my life and moving on the old fashioned way.

My personal feeling is that there is a sort of reincarnation too. When the body dies the soul incarnates where is waiting and then the cycle ends there and we incarnate in a manifested world again. All the catastrophism comes from the new religions and has nothing to do with ancient wisdom. Cycles are cycles we live in peace we die in peace no matter how. All the focus on gurus takes one out of the instictive inner path of wisdom and while it may bring experience many times is a waste of life. Just asking what is the most humane and balanced thing one can do in this situation for all involved answers most questions IMHO

[Mark]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things.

Hey US. For my part, being aware does not equate to being fearful. In my understanding it is only when fear enters into the equation that one begins to shift one's thought processes and lifestyle to accommodating that fear by buying a lot of guns, or god helmets, or stocking up on tin foil, building a bunker, things like that. One of the things i take from my time in the scouts is the motto, 'be prepared'. And also, 'don't sh1t where you eat'. I remember when I first read Bill Cooper's Behold A Pale Horse back in the early 90s. Back then, that was out there. Well times have progressed and what is out there now in a decade or less probably won't seem so from that vantage as we learn more and more and as science reveals more and more.

I like that quote from somebody that goes, "chance favors the prepared mind", so I, for one, seek out the things that fit the patterns but that are dismissed outright by most. Another quote, "where there's smoke there's fire" and "once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains is the truth". These are just some of the ideas and guiding beliefs that I find valid when researching the fantastic.

There is already so much information out there right now that corroborates some aspects of what is going on, it all just has to be put together. As you stated in another thread, it takes many years of doing the research and putting things together sometimes to get to certain understandings. This is no different. Thank you for the warning, it is always good to be skeptical and to wait until solid substantiation before making real decisions.

[Unified Serenity]

Oh, I'm well aware they are out there, it's just some who read these threads suddenly see them everywhere, even their toilets.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things.

Hey US. For my part, being aware does not equate to being fearful. In my understanding it is only when fear enters into the equation that one begins to shift one's thought processes and lifestyle to accommodating that fear by buying a lot of guns, or god helmets, or stocking up on tin foil, building a bunker, things like that. One of the things i take from my time in the scouts is the motto, 'be prepared'. And also, 'don't sh1t where you eat'. I remember when I first read Bill Cooper's Behold A Pale Horse back in the early 90s. Back then, that was out there. Well times have progressed and what is out there now in a decade or less probably won't seem so from that vantage as we learn more and more and as science reveals more and more.

I like that quote from somebody that goes, "chance favors the prepared mind", so I, for one, seek out the things that fit the patterns but that are dismissed outright by most. Another quote, "where there's smoke there's fire" and "once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains is the truth". These are just some of the ideas and guiding beliefs that I find valid when researching the fantastic.

There is already so much information out there right now that corroborates some aspects of what is going on, it all just has to be put together. As you stated in another thread, it takes many years of doing the research and putting things together sometimes to get to certain understandings. This is no different. Thank you for the warning, it is always good to be skeptical and to wait until solid substantiation before making real decisions.

[modwiz]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Oh, I'm well aware they are out there, it's just some who read these threads suddenly see them everywhere, even their toilets.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things.

Hey US. For my part, being aware does not equate to being fearful. In my understanding it is only when fear enters into the equation that one begins to shift one's thought processes and lifestyle to accommodating that fear by buying a lot of guns, or god helmets, or stocking up on tin foil, building a bunker, things like that. One of the things i take from my time in the scouts is the motto, 'be prepared'. And also, 'don't sh1t where you eat'. I remember when I first read Bill Cooper's Behold A Pale Horse back in the early 90s. Back then, that was out there. Well times have progressed and what is out there now in a decade or less probably won't seem so from that vantage as we learn more and more and as science reveals more and more.

I like that quote from somebody that goes, "chance favors the prepared mind", so I, for one, seek out the things that fit the patterns but that are dismissed outright by most. Another quote, "where there's smoke there's fire" and "once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains is the truth". These are just some of the ideas and guiding beliefs that I find valid when researching the fantastic.

There is already so much information out there right now that corroborates some aspects of what is going on, it all just has to be put together. As you stated in another thread, it takes many years of doing the research and putting things together sometimes to get to certain understandings. This is no different. Thank you for the warning, it is always good to be skeptical and to wait until solid substantiation before making real decisions.

That's funny. If I ever find one in my toilet I will be only too happy to give it the treatment it deserves.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Oh, I'm well aware they are out there, it's just some who read these threads suddenly see them everywhere, even their toilets.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things.

Hey US. For my part, being aware does not equate to being fearful. In my understanding it is only when fear enters into the equation that one begins to shift one's thought processes and lifestyle to accommodating that fear by buying a lot of guns, or god helmets, or stocking up on tin foil, building a bunker, things like that. One of the things i take from my time in the scouts is the motto, 'be prepared'. And also, 'don't sh1t where you eat'. I remember when I first read Bill Cooper's Behold A Pale Horse back in the early 90s. Back then, that was out there. Well times have progressed and what is out there now in a decade or less probably won't seem so from that vantage as we learn more and more and as science reveals more and more.

I like that quote from somebody that goes, "chance favors the prepared mind", so I, for one, seek out the things that fit the patterns but that are dismissed outright by most. Another quote, "where there's smoke there's fire" and "once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains is the truth". These are just some of the ideas and guiding beliefs that I find valid when researching the fantastic.

There is already so much information out there right now that corroborates some aspects of what is going on, it all just has to be put together. As you stated in another thread, it takes many years of doing the research and putting things together sometimes to get to certain understandings. This is no different. Thank you for the warning, it is always good to be skeptical and to wait until solid substantiation before making real decisions.

That's funny. If I ever find one in my toilet I will be only too happy to give it the treatment it deserves.

Don't laugh too much. Someone online had a lot of people fearful that their Loosh was being stolen through dimensional beings who would take advantage of them when sitting on their toilet. It's quite amazing how given enough room people can make up some pretty crazy stuff. I will leave it at that since this person is not around to defend what they shared. They had a very large following online.

[modwiz]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Oh, I'm well aware they are out there, it's just some who read these threads suddenly see them everywhere, even their toilets.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Be careful of investing too much energy into the idea of energetic parasites ruining things.

Hey US. For my part, being aware does not equate to being fearful. In my understanding it is only when fear enters into the equation that one begins to shift one's thought processes and lifestyle to accommodating that fear by buying a lot of guns, or god helmets, or stocking up on tin foil, building a bunker, things like that. One of the things i take from my time in the scouts is the motto, 'be prepared'. And also, 'don't sh1t where you eat'. I remember when I first read Bill Cooper's Behold A Pale Horse back in the early 90s. Back then, that was out there. Well times have progressed and what is out there now in a decade or less probably won't seem so from that vantage as we learn more and more and as science reveals more and more.

I like that quote from somebody that goes, "chance favors the prepared mind", so I, for one, seek out the things that fit the patterns but that are dismissed outright by most. Another quote, "where there's smoke there's fire" and "once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains is the truth". These are just some of the ideas and guiding beliefs that I find valid when researching the fantastic.

There is already so much information out there right now that corroborates some aspects of what is going on, it all just has to be put together. As you stated in another thread, it takes many years of doing the research and putting things together sometimes to get to certain understandings. This is no different. Thank you for the warning, it is always good to be skeptical and to wait until solid substantiation before making real decisions.

That's funny. If I ever find one in my toilet I will be only too happy to give it the treatment it deserves.

Don't laugh too much. Someone online had a lot of people fearful that their Loosh was being stolen through dimensional beings who would take advantage of them when sitting on their toilet. It's quite amazing how given enough room people can make up some pretty crazy stuff. I will leave it at that since this person is not around to defend what they shared. They had a very large following online.

I agree with you,US. The paranoia leaps into idiocy too often. This is the combination of broken people eating garbage food and information crafted for them by the physical representatives of the 'whisperers' in our heads. I am shocked at the 'bogey-man' type of fears that people entertain. This thread is a good example. Warriors discussing the strategies of an adversary is no invitation to fear, but to action. As the Art of War informs us the battle is decided before the fight begins. We here, the choir, are winning the battle and if we can awaken a critical number the war will end as well. That is because the only real war is within, but as a group mind there are still some pockets not yet in synch.

[Turcurulin]

Thanks DNA, this is very impressive and thought-provoking. I happened to perceive a giant, black, bat-like dragon in my own experience with DMT. Harner's, Castaneda's, and even Hubbard's (oddly) experiences come to mind when reminiscing on this perception. The biggest barriers when trying to get across these ideas, as they are with most ideas, are semantics and lack of personal experience. However, the interesting, and noteworthy, aspects of these experiences are that the perceptions are so congruent between different individuals, experiencing them over separate periods of time.

[joamarks]

this book, a sf novel: the parasites of the mind by collin wilson, http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Parasites.../dp/091472827X
is also an amazing reed about this subject.

in his story there is a relation between the moon and the parasites.
that there is a force field around the earth to keep these parasites prison to the earth.

Wilson has blended H.P. Lovecraft’s dark vision with his own revolutionary philosophy and unique narrative powers to produce a stunning, high-tension story of vaulting imagination. A professor makes a horrifying discovery while excavating a sinister archeological site. For over 200 years, mind parasites have been lurking in the deepest layers of human consciousness, feeding on human life force and steadily gaining a foothold on the planet. Now they threaten humanity’s extinction. They can be fought with one weapon only: the mind, pushed to—and beyond—its limits. Pushed so far that humans can read each other’s thoughts, that the moon can be shifted from its orbit by thought alone. Pushed so that man can at last join battle with the loathsome parasites on equal terms.

[joamarks]

DNA:You know, this is what Drunvello Melchezidek states. That during the time of Atlantis, the folks from Mars (before they utterly destroyed themselves) came to earth and attempted to activate a technological man made, or martian made Merkaba. The failure of this slashed a dimensional hole open and outpoured these parasitic beings who began feeding on mankind.

This story is parralleled in the Greek myth about Pandoras Box.

there is also a link with the pandora's box and Dr.John Dee.
an alchemist from mid evil times. (died in 1608)
i can't find the article on internet anymore which explained the link.

it's a fantastic story.
please read this just as a fascinating mythical story!
and again, it's not my intention to contribute to a conspiracy fear seeding stories!

John Dee channeled with angles, who put through a huge amount of information of high technology.
this was so complex that he just knew that no man in one life time could decipher the material.
so he made plans to set up universities to process these angelic information.
but it was setup in a yeti programming. (every university does his own little part but non of them have the big picture where its all leading to.)
and it leads to this, making the parasites lose from the earth bounding prison.
for this they (we) need to master 3 things.

1 making energy out of mater. (cold fusion, atom power)
2 making mater out of energy (...... this one is still waiting to be discovered, it has something to do with the CERN - The Large Hadron Collider)
3 and a third technology, which i have forgotten something with time travel or quantum technology....

in return for the information the angels demanded our energy.
by enabling conflicts (by war, confusion, blood rituals, etc) here on earth we provide them a channel to transfer the energy to their 4th dimension where they habitat in prison.

i know, it's a fantastic story, but if you can find the time to study only some of John Dee's lifetime work, you just start to believe this was a very important man for all the acceleration and change in the discoveries made by humans since 1600.

also if you see this short film, (or david ickes lectures about symbolism) you see that we still live by the powers of symbolism like they did in the mid evil times.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uB9wn...ayer_embedded#!
only slightly more sophisticated packed in movies and architecture.

(stanley cubrick was also on to something about the moon, symbolism, and the powers who ruled us)

[Beren]

Posted by Turcurulin (here)
Thanks DNA, this is very impressive and thought-provoking. I happened to perceive a giant, black, bat-like dragon in my own experience with DMT. Harner's, Castaneda's, and even Hubbard's (oddly) experiences come to mind when reminiscing on this perception. The biggest barriers when trying to get across these ideas, as they are with most ideas, are semantics and lack of personal experience. However, the interesting, and noteworthy, aspects of these experiences are that the perceptions are so congruent between different individuals, experiencing them over separate periods of time.

It should be remembered always that those life forms are shape shifters in essence and according to one's fears or understanding they will appear as such.
To some as flyers, to some demons,dragons(no wonder why the dragon meme through out history) ,monsters...

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Posted by joamarks (here)

DNA:You know, this is what Drunvello Melchezidek states. That during the time of Atlantis, the folks from Mars (before they utterly destroyed themselves) came to earth and attempted to activate a technological man made, or martian made Merkaba. The failure of this slashed a dimensional hole open and outpoured these parasitic beings who began feeding on mankind.

This story is parralleled in the Greek myth about Pandoras Box.

there is also a link with the pandora's box and Dr.John Dee.
an alchemist from mid evil times. (died in 1608)
i can't find the article on internet anymore which explained the link.

it's a fantastic story.
please read this just as a fascinating mythical story!
and again, it's not my intention to contribute to a conspiracy fear seeding stories!

John Dee channeled with angles, who put through a huge amount of information of high technology.
this was so complex that he just knew that no man in one life time could decipher the material.
so he made plans to set up universities to process these angelic information.
but it was setup in a yeti programming. (every university does his own little part but non of them have the big picture where its all leading to.)
and it leads to this, making the parasites lose from the earth bounding prison.
for this they (we) need to master 3 things.

1 making energy out of mater. (cold fusion, atom power)
2 making mater out of energy (...... this one is still waiting to be discovered, it has something to do with the CERN - The Large Hadron Collider)
3 and a third technology, which i have forgotten something with time travel or quantum technology....

in return for the information the angels demanded our energy.
by enabling conflicts (by war, confusion, blood rituals, etc) here on earth we provide them a channel to transfer the energy to their 4th dimension where they habitat in prison.

i know, it's a fantastic story, but if you can find the time to study only some of John Dee's lifetime work, you just start to believe this was a very important man for all the acceleration and change in the discoveries made by humans since 1600.

also if you see this short film, (or david ickes lectures about symbolism) you see that we still live by the powers of symbolism like they did in the mid evil times.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uB9wn...ayer_embedded#!
only slightly more sophisticated packed in movies and architecture.

(stanley cubrick was also on to something about the moon, symbolism, and the powers who ruled us)

They change their form to fit in any society;
ancient times- ancient forms
modern time - modern forms
BUT role is always the same - being energy leech.

[9eagle9]

Gnosticism before it was re-created into some new agey belief system simply meant accessing your own internal source knowledge (higher intellgience) and being guided by it so you are no longer susceptible to this sort of influence. Gnosticism as a practice is nay impossible to achieve when one is succumbing to a denser influence. Regardless if it is self generated or external people are influenced by attachments.

Gnosticism once convereted into a religion will and has become as parastitical as any other religion.

The thing is these things are not controlling the world. Their influence certainly has created the conditions to where we are more easily controlled. They don't influence the earth much at all, her view on the entire matter is best summed up as 'another form of energy operating in the wrong place at the wrong time for the wrong reasons' this is why we give certain sorts of energies back to the earth.

They do influence the world, but they are not an authority. They only have the authority we give them. If I waltzed in here and pulled some magick trick out of my hat that dazzled the naive and UNEDUCATED, no doubt I'd have my own following in a matter of days and I could become parasitical in nature. But only because people chose that.

At any given time we have the free will to rise above the vibrational level that they operate at . This isn't achieved by denial but understanding, without fear, how they operate and making sure that we are abating the mechanisms that we came into the world with and are suspectible to that allows them to influence us. They'd love for us to deny they exist ....because that's what creates the means in which they can operate. Just like elite controlling socieites deny they exist and that's how they got control in the first place, Us not being aware of them, and then when someone attempted to inform us ....we denied it.

Again I can't emphasize enough how much of 'out there' is reflected here.

This is is entirely about self governance beginning at the individual level. If the individual cannot operate under their own volition without external influence, self governance is not possible collectively because a collective is composed of individuals. Self governed people can't bear the energy drain of being around people who are not for one. What we have in it's place is self policing. "I can't clean up my own inner landscape but I'm going to impose my lawn mower on yours".

Government and politics was only meant as the druids made clear, a means to organize people , not a means of exterting control.

For my part no, Druids are meant to be retrieving knowledge not lost but kept from the idiots who'd turn it inot some airy fairy belief system meant to make them feel good about themselves. Nothing of the druids was lost entirely but it has kept away from people who are under this sort of influence. And much of that wisdom is about abating this sort of influence the 4d has on consciouness which is 4d in nature. And while druids were very much gnostic in the sense of striving to not have their wisdom sourced in externalities, it doesn't much parallel with the Gaia Sophia philosophy--she being the ultimate authority.

Druids tend to view the earth and the human relationship as interdependently influenced. or rather the more we poisoned the earth, the more we poisoned ourselves--beginning with out thoughtforms. Matrix creating. We became a portal for introducing that energy and because we are related to the earth, we influence her as much as she influences us.

Certainly there are some mechanisms in place here on earth that druids acknowledge were immune to this sort of influence. Druids acknowledged what trees are actually DOING, and they do a lot. The druid observed the effects of season and sunlight on trees, and then on a energetic level what trees are actually providing in terms of a means to abate psyche and even electromagnetic influence. This is why trees are so much a part of their world view.


Druids typically go by what is demonstrated not talked about. This is why there is 'apparently' so little of their practices were written down. It's also claimed that much of their traditions were oral in nature and that is in part true but no one every talks about the very rich hand languages that the druids communicated in. And from my own experience is very hard to teach people this sort of hand language earth to person communication if they are under the sort of parastical influence that is being discussed here. They immediately want to turn it into something its not. So thus it remains kept to where it can't be tampered with.

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
I personally like John Lamb Lash work but there are some points that are not adding up to me

1) The archons may be so but they are not responsible for our problems. If anyone is responsible for our problems is Gaia Sophia herself because it was her mistake and fall that created the archons in the first place. I like Gaia Sophia too by the way but fair is fair she should be solving the mess she created for us. If you want your creation to be self responsible you have to walk the talk don't you?

2) Why is it that there is such contradiction between what JLL says and the behaviour of the people in Terra Navis. A friend of mine just left because there is censorship there and people can not talk about entherogens and rite action. That is worriying because JLL said in one of his interviews that Terra Navis was there to see for all and nothing was to be hidden. Now Terra Navisis is no longer visible to the public...so no transparency there. I don't like secrecy myself and the fact that the warriors are now hidding for fear of being discovered is just funny IMHO. JLL said in one of his interviews that they are supposed to be more dangerous dead than alive...bit contradictory it appears to be. Prudence does not hold when there is such a bravado being put out by JLL himself?

3) I do appreciate that we are ruled by psychopaths but where does it end? How many people would a handful of warriors be able to deal with? The system has hundreds of thousands of heads that will replace the fallen ones so, it does not seem like a viable plan to me.

Perhaps the most significant issue is that people will want to have some leaders because they do not know how to be self governing so, even if the dominators are all sent to better pasture the problem on Earth will continue. It is us the ones that are allowing the elites to be there and it has to be a shift in consciousness before the chaos we are under changes. Getting rid of people will not change our predicament. We are the ones that are choosing to be victimized IMHO and the ones that have choosen not to care about the planet. We have to change that mentality and mature into self responsibility. That is unlikely to happen any time soon?

4) The gnostics were not the first group of enlightened people in the planet. There are records that the Celts were as enlightened if no more enlightened than the gnostics. Contrary to the impression that is being given the Celts did defended their territory for many centuries, perhaps a whole milenioum only to fall finally to the Normans. The traditions of the Celts are scatered but if one looks hard enough there are true druidic teachings still available. Much of what is in print is made up of course but there are honest druids too. So we are talking about unbroken Celtic traditions. I am not an expert and I do not know if there is a paralell Sophianic vision or not

5) On the basis that only Gaia Sophia has the power to eliminate anyone here, why then we need warriors? Why she can not do the work and that is it? As I said, she created the problem in the first place and it is a problem that looks beyond our skills and capacity in this moment?


I do not belong to terra navis and my friend is unable to answer my questions. I wonder if anyone here is from Terra Navis and can answer my questions?

[stardustaquarion]

trees are awesome! I love trees

[stardustaquarion]

Someone sent me this link today that refers to another scholar that maintains that Lash is wrong and that the comparison he has made on the archons looking like a fetus (or grey aliens) is wrong. This scholar is taking reference from the Nag Hammadi texts so it is not speculative but historical

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoB...honsLash2.html

I gues that at this point "Not in his image" can not longer be taken as reference book but more like a imaginative compilation that may not be accurate to the Nag Hammadi Library. Whether one can accept that Lash is a seer or not is a personal thing but Lash himself said that the telestai worked in groups of 16 when investigating to avoid subjective intrussion and to keep the visions clear. Food for thought I suppose

[Vrilya]

Great topic of discussion!
I just read a article on this subject the other day.
Funny, because I call them critters my cat knows instantly when one gets in the house.
Here's the link to the article Exposing our Covert Controllers: (has some great photos.......) http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm

[Dawn]

DNA, you have said a couple of times you began this thread to encourage others to share their experiences. Although I've shared a few already I would like to add to my reporting on this thread. And I'd like to know if anyone else has experienced something like I'm going to describe.

I paid to have a session with a chiropractor/healer that had been highly recommended to me by others. During a particular series of workshops he would normally set up his massage table in the back of the conference room and conduct sessions- it was in this setting that I had a session with this man. He looked me straight in the eyes, and asked if I'd was expecting to ruin lives of my followers in this life. He was very accusatory in his tone, but I had NO idea what he was talking about so I was simply baffled by his behavior. When I did not respond, he said, "You remember the lifetime where over 3,500 of your followers were killed because they followed your beliefs about being free? That was all your fault, you caused that, don't you remember?". Then the healer asked me to lay on the massage table and did a normal healing session for my body. I felt confused and tense about his initial statements but was unsure how to speak to him about it. Finally, about 2 weeks later, I telephoned him to discuss it. He asserted he NEVER spoke to me about anything resembling that conversation. He was totally surprised by my questions.

In another workshop, a body worker began to do a session on my body. He made a number of comments about how fat my body was, and how much I needed to loose weight. I was surprised at the conversation and did not respond. The next day I asked him why he had chosen that time to discuss my weight.... both he and others who were present in the class swore the conversation did not take place. The setting was intimate with only 8 people in a room, so there would have been witnesses?

About 3 years ago at a meeting with my tax accountant of 30 years, something similar happened. Right in the middle of our tax appointment he looked at me and my husband across the table and said, "You are going to go through bankruptcy". Later I asked him why he said that, and he swore that he had never said any such thing.

On a trip to Mexico with my girlfriend, when I was considering a purchase of land there the following event occurred. I was in the backseat of her car with my husband and we were being driven to a parcel we wanted to see. In a deep guttural voice that seemed to drip with evil and anger she said, "What are you doing. You don't need to do this you know!". I asked her later why she had said that, and she insisted she never had.

It seems to me that entities have been using other people to attempt to upset me. In every case the topic chosen seemed to be in an effort to cause negative emotions in me (such as embarrassment, shame, or fear). And in every case the person was not aware that they had spoken. I am not sure what exactly was going on in these situations.

****One hypothesis is that there was some sort of 'bleed-through' from another dimension that I was aware of while others were not.

****Another hypothesis is that I heard their heart speaking, which was not what their mind thought. If this were the case then my mind filled in the visual image of them using their mouth to speak.... because I not only heard them talk, I also saw them speaking.

Anyone wish to share similar experiences or venture a guess about these occurrences?

[ponda]

Hi Dawn,

There are entities out there that can make other people do and say things out of the ordinary and then have them forget everything immediately.It's like a full body/mind control thing.It sounds like you were being tested and shown some of the possibilities etc.These entities can read your thoughts and monitor you and search for weaknesses and then wait for an opportunity to try to squeeze you or scare you or make you think.If they or the experience seems to be negative then they might not be truthful in what they say to you.They might also be positive but giving you a hard lesson maybe.Also it is possible that the experience of the people talking to you was inserted into your mind as a realtime experience.

[Carmody]

Apologies if this has been covered before, it's my morning muse thought, and I felt it probably belongs here, but might deserve it's own thread.

It is a group of thoughts that need to be seen as a collected single view. Kinda jumbled at the moment but you'll get the idea.

Doyle Noyes was what Tom Bearden called a sigma 10 person, one of a few being of that type, and nature, on the planet at the one given time.

This John of God person, this surgeon is also of the same type. As are a few others of the healing type, who do surgery and the like. then there are others who can form reality to one degree or another.

David Wilcock, in his new book, covers the fact that we can help or interfere in others concentration with our vibration being near them.

Witches covens and group intensity, and then groups giving power to individuals, like a given guru being capable of manifesting when they all believe in him. The lesson is don't give your power away to the wrong thought form, person, or the wrong image/ideal.

Jesus as a manifestor trained in the eastern ways..and like Doyle Noyes, creates many storms and the like when he is being punk'd on the cross.

Another scientist, apparently (in 'the field' book by Lynn McTaggart, IIRC) reported, in a bit of a drunk..that humans cannot survive outside of their 'space' of this world. well, note it is a collective consensus reality and that: if we can interfere with one another in this place alone, via simple projected thought that is a source field energy..we might then only survive interstellar travel if we bring our own energies, as a group and technologically..with us.

Interestingly, this is the exact kind of report we hear about concerning alien or interstellar ships, their internal devices and construction, their operational aspects... and such travel.

Bring this energy or capacity...Otherwise we'd dissolve into the local backdrop. which is probably what happened with mars vs earth. Mars energies ended up being in conflict with earth energies, and we get war. To travel interstellar distances, we'd have to be individually strong enough and to have possibly, some technological representation of our energies, like formed crystals and the like, or fields of energy made by machinery. it's consensus reality everywhere. thus we may not be able to see aliens in our midst as their vibration is slightly off from ours. besides us in our spirit forms. see The field by Lynn McTaggart and David's new book, the source field investigations.

Those are the two most recent and relevant works in these VITAL areas of knowing. I say VITAL for a reason. You must know these things if you are going to survive and prosper. you must orient your mind and thus creationist energies in the correct direction from the correct and knowing point of view that gives you the strongest hand.


I'm on record as saying that I've created Tulpas. I also know for a fact that I can aid or detract from people's concentration. Except I had NO IDEA,until a few weeks ago... how all pervasive it was and is. How incredibly careful I have to be.

How, to have super soldiers created by the black ops groups, with multiple personalities, etc. Duncan selected due to his genetics, and the idea of wiping out those genetics by the invested power people, who know these things.

They find a strong individual and then control them, use them as a tool. and kill the rest. if not, brain damage them with chemtrails and foodstuffs, pollution, radiation, etc. deny them technology, deny them the ability to think, keep them in confused animalism.

Atticus is on record as saying he does this (capacity to confuse the mind, and other bits), and that he could possibly do this to a politician, or similar-basically someone addressing a group. To do it in a group, at some public function. Look what happened to Mitt Romney a while back, he was turned into a turnip, right at the podium. There is a good chance that he was punk'd. (then that whole thing about the 'selected ones' wearing a small device to prevent such things from occurring to them [crystalline, I'm sure, radiative in some Nature or effect]- usually on the lapel of their suit coat, up front, near the head)

How my brother, for example, was hip to all this stuff..until he became connected and then married, and had a child. He henceforth turned into a turnip on these subjects.

How some of us are getting into relationships where we call the other a vampire, when it is really a case of them interfering with your consciousness. You pulling them up, them pulling you down.

How some threads have negative energies in them. The people in them being of a collective of negativity and of different frequency vibration of the particular person walking into the thread.

Then we get to the POWER of the collective unconscious to create collective unconscious Tuplas and this place we call a consensus reality. Tulpas are real, people can interact with them. Now...what does that say about Christianity, satanism, and whatnot? That God and lucifer might be big fat cuckoo birds in the nest of of our collective unconscious consensus reality, constantly screaming, "feed me, feed me!!" ?? Tulpas are like that..exactly like our unconscious mind formation, as a young child. Do you get it now?

Whether one likes that or not, if satanist and reptilian thought forms are of such a nature, the christian and whatnot idea of god also gets tossed onto the table to be examined..in the context of expanded awareness and consciousness.

The point is: deal with it... consciously, not through emotionally created energetic forms that originate in desires and fears with no conscious direction and no conscious intent.

Are we fighting with our own creations, here, or are we drawing something real to us, via our unrealized unconscious aspects?

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We've also got this new wave of energy coming from the sun, this energy, this particle..that breaks down radiation, in the same way that radiation is broken down in pyramids. when pyramids are placed in areas of low fertility, it has been shown that previously extinct species plants re-appear. Spontaneously. ones with more complex DNA, more chromosomes. this is science fact, not conjecture. read David's new book, the details are in there.

DNA repairs itself back to the original robust seed, plant, and animal.

what does that mean for you? Especially if you consciously know about and aid the process?
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There is, on the individual and collective front, a VERY important movement of Neptune into the sign of Pisces.

In February, on the third of February 2012... Neptune is going to cross into it's native sign, the sign of Pisces. it happens once every 164 years.

This is the planet of psychic sensitivity and ability.

The power or access to the collective to create it's reality, if it is AWARE that it is doing so... that energy, that overt capacity... is going to return to us, again. It is always there, but when Neptune hits Pisces, you can count on the collective being given a huge shot of creative energies and connection to such depths.

Now, who is going to try and grab control of that energy?

For if you don't grab a hold of your actual and real 'reality creation energies' consciously....someone else will. Guard and become yourself more fully, consciously...accordingly. No reason for fear --just awaken.

If you don't , either the darkside of our collective tulpa mindforms, our religious figures, our daemons, our reptilians, our non organic parasites, they will use that doorway into your unconscious, your subconscious self, like people who are 'energy vampires'..and they will run with that energy. (i say 'our' as awareness or similar denotes connection - keep it or dump it, your creative choice)

You must become conscious of the fact of this coming time where the energies and thus the reward and danger are going to be at their greatest that they have been... for the past approx 150 years. (13.7 years in each sign, approximately) We will have a 13.7 year window, approximately, for this collective and individual 'thrust'. (We had a small taste about 5-6 months back, IIRC, a tiny intro - Neptune's retrograde motion-we dipped our collective creative toes in the depths of it's oceans)

The collective unconscious sanity... and unconscious insanity.... of humankind... is about to go wild with creationist energies.

Be ready, do it right, Know this.

We must dissolve our collective unconscious tulpa mindforms, not engage them in a fear based animalism.

[9eagle9]

Yes and as adults we will hold them because they give us a false sense of empowerment. The one's cultivated in childhood can be troublesome, because we are so used to having them in our energy we are no longer aware of them. Like a object in your house that you get so used to that you no longer notice it. Once you begin relating to energy one may sense a drop off in energy , but still not realize its external energies.

Posted by joamarks (here)

It is very common to find overgrowth of physical parasitical influence in people who have attachments to non physical parasitical influences.

hi 9eagle9, is see what you mean by a relationship between the two.

i personally found different (a lot) reasons why parasites can be beneficial for us.

often as a child when we are scared, feeling alone or being hurt by others, we let them in and "protect" us.
by letting us feeling the power (generated out of fear)

one of these little monsters i had to deal with from my own youth is the demon who always wants to go the opposite direction of the masses.

another is to only trust yourself, and do all the work alone.

or this one, my favorite in this times: the believe that people always chose for themselves if the **** hits the fan.

with this one you can see how sophisticated these parasite thoughts work,
because if you really believe this you will never take responsibility for your actions.
why would you if everybody else does the same.

and there is your wide abyss between you and the rest of the world.

here it is, the masterpiece of the parasites work

[9eagle9]

Dawn said: It seems to me that entities have been using other people to attempt to upset me. In every case the topic chosen seemed to be in an effort to cause negative emotions in me (such as embarrassment, shame, or fear). And in every case the person was not aware that they had spoken. I am not sure what exactly was going on in these situations.

that's pretty common expression of this sort of thing. People who carry very dense attachments are very good at finding buttons and pushing them.....why? Why are they so good at it? They can be the densest (literally) most insenstive, least intuitive person in the world and still have this knack for finding a complete stranger's buttons. They are having some help. tAnd so many wholistic and alternative healers are under this sort of influence for a myriad of reasons .If you did not hold conditions of embarassment, shame or fear they'd have no buttons to push. Again re-emphasizes how our best defense and chance for a higher expressive life is in cleaning up the inner landscape.

A few years back I had experienced a whopper of an attack in public. Complete stranger, I was observing her attachment. It noticed me , noticing it and walloped me with what can be described as a blast of white noise. Like standing in front of a high powered speaker tuned into a blank space between stations. The woman it was attached to then turned on me, a complete stranger and started verbally taunting me" What are you afraid of."

And yes I had fears but her and her attachment were so anxious to intiate a feed on me they didn't realize I wasn't afraid of them. More importantly not afraid of myself. Attack fails. That's all.


It's a point of past reference they are using , they use our own fears, trials, abuses and traumas against us. I used to keep my soft spots to myself, and still the densest least senstive people in the world could find them, and like what Carmody intimated at, its through relationships of any sort, and they start to hammer in that way--of any sort. Where we truly turn turnip at. We turn into vegetables when we don't really examine our relationships--how we are relating with others. And vegetables are meant to be eaten.

Anytime you are interacting in close proximity with anyone you are creating the terms of a relationship with them because we are all related.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

9eagle9, I always love your postings and can't wait until this weekend when I actually have time to read this thread and catch up. Best to you and everyone on this thread.