MUST SEE!!! NEW Ancient Mayan artifacts found!

[RMorgan]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
I've stitched together a few frames from the video to get a larger picture of the first artifact.

Then, I've decided to trace the contour to see if anything interesting shows up... It looks like I may have wasted my time

Well, in my opinion, these contours don´t look very Mayan to me, as well.

Posted by Hatemachines (here)
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Carbon dating can only be applied on organic material, unfortunately it doesn't work on stone or other inorganic materials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

I´m not sure if this artifacts are made of some kind of clay, which can be dated used carbon 14 tests.

Anyway, there are numerous other ways of dating archaeological artifacts:

http://archaeology.about.com/od/dati..._Artifacts.htm

Anyway, through finding stone artifacts alongside artifacts that can be carbon dated, archaeologists have been able to determine the types and styles of stone tools and artifacts made during the various time periods. That´s why it´s so important to preserve the excavation site.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Lazlo]

Posted by Hatemachines (here)
Carbon dating can only be applied on organic material, unfortunately it doesn't work on stone or other inorganic materials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

There are methods for dating pottery. The best method is provenance, that is knowing where an item came from and how it was excavated. There is analysis of the clay itself and the temper used in the firing process. For instance, throughout much of North America. "Old" pottery used a temper made from crushed mussel shells. In "New" pottery, the temper was older pottery. There are expensive laboratory methods. My favorite, in that it is elegant, is a process where you bake the pottery to dry it out and measure the change in weight. Pottery absorbes moisture at a known rate, regardless of whether it is in the desert or at the bottom of the sea. This is a fairly new process.

Edit to Add: Looks like we were typing at the same time Raf, and like we were thinking the same thing. Cheers!

[Mark Aldebaran]

@RMorgan.
Yes, but the Mayans also didn't make the Aztec Sun Stone

[RMorgan]

Posted by Mark Aldebaran (here)
@RMorgan.
Yes, but the Mayans also didn't make the Aztec Sun Stone

As I´ve said before, I´m not a specialist, so I´ve just googled for some images. What I was trying to show, is that these kind of perspective drawings are not commonly associated with ancient art style, specifically south/central -american art styles, which includes the Mayan. They all shared very similar characteristics.

I could also post some images of Egyptian, Greek, Roman´s ancient art, and there´s no sign of the knowledge of perspective in all of them. They are all flat.

Anyway, thank you for pointing my mistake. I appreciate that!

Cheers,

Raf.

Ps: I´ve removed the image to avoid confusion.

[Daft Ada]

Really good stuff guys, this is the most interesting thread I've read for a while.

[Billy]

I mentioned those artifacts in this thread, https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...363#post371363
Wayne Herschel was speaking about them at the South Africa UFO Convention

[mojo]

Are we missing something here? What is the message? In Nassim's verbal description of one artifact he mentions the double lines around the planet and some other things I find fascinating. It makes sense to me that double rings would mean atmosphere. I can't imagine early indigenous peoples would know this and create a drawing to represent an amtosphere which is special to earth. That just rings of ET involvement. The small crafts are directing energy at something. Nassim suggests an asteroid which is intriguing in itself. Is it something in the future? It reminds me alot of crop circles. The authentic ones appear to have a meaning or message as some have been decoded. And usually with crop circles there are other pieces of trace evidence to rely on. If it was created by ET maybe something in the make or material would stand out upon further study. If human made perhaps a closer study of the patina would reveal an approximate age of the item, which would help in calling it a fake or not.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

These look very fishy to me. The art style does not look right. I'm no expert, but there is a commonality to art within a culture and these just don't seem to fit.

[RMorgan]

Posted by mojo (here)
Are we missing something here? What is the message? In Nassim's verbal description of one artifact he mentions the double lines around the planet and some other things I find fascinating. It makes sense to me that double rings would mean atmosphere. I can't imagine early indigenous peoples would know this and create a drawing to represent an amtosphere which is special to earth. That just rings of ET involvement. The small crafts are directing energy at something. Nassim suggests an asteroid which is intriguing in itself. Is it something in the future? It reminds me alot of crop circles. The authentic ones appear to have a meaning or message as some have been decoded. And usually with crop circles there are other pieces of trace evidence to rely on. If it was created by ET maybe something in the make or material would stand out upon further study. If human made perhaps a closer study of the patina would reveal an approximate age of the item, which would help in calling it a fake or not.

I´ve got your point Mojo, and I agree. If these artifacts are genuine, it´s a great discovery.

However, my point is that, as a scientist, Nassim should have properly investigated the authenticity of such artifacts, in order to develop a theory using them as a fundamental building block.

I can understand that Nassim gets so excited about his work, that he often lose some important points in his investigations. This is one of the reasons that so many people don´t trust on his work. This creates wholes in his theories.

I don´t think he´s faking such objects deliberately, if they are fake indeed, but I think he´s a good man, with good intentions, but who is naive and over-enthusiastic sometimes.

About these artifacts, they could really be authentic. But they could be just a piece of contemporary craftwork. This kind of doubt is not accepted in science.

I think this case is funny, because something similar happened to my brother. He was working in a excavation here in Brazil in which he has found a pipe, apparently from Inca origin. He was fascinated with his discovery, because historically, the Inca people have never been to Brazil.

So, he has sent it to analyses in Peru. This analyzes took a long time, about 8 months.

After all this time, the Peru crew concluded that the pipe was not Inca and, in fact, it was just a piece of contemporary Inca styled craft. Who knows...Maybe some hippie lost it in the woods sometime ago.

My brother was so disappointed about that, but he still have the pipe, hanging on his wall.

Cheers,

Raf.

[haibane]

IMHO the fact that Mayans had it doesn't necessarily mean they made it - they might have just 'inherited' it in some way.

[Ilie Pandia]

Before we can go anywhere with this other that wild speculation, we really need to know the history of those photos:
- where were they found
- are they legit (I am sure there are ways to determine that, even if carbon dating is not working)
- how do they fit in the Mayan culture (if they are Mayan)
- on what basis can those drawing be interpreted.

While I respect part of Nassim's work, about fractals and sacred geometry, I am not comfortable with him telling me out of the blue: this the Earth, this is atmosphere, this a comet, this a "blow out" of what's in the ship, this is the Sun. You just cannot make such claims from two pieces of rock with carvings on it.

It would have been better if he just said: "To me this appears to be so and so, but I really don't want to influence anybody, so we'll submit this to a group of researchers and see what comes out". He makes his presentation as if he is the one that drew those things and now he tells the rest of us what he was trying to show... it does not work that way...

If he has more information to back up his personal interpretation of the drawings then that did not appear in the video.

[Billy]

Wayne has answered the question i asked him if there was any evidence that the artifacts are Mayan or have they been dated. This is his reply.

Billy see artifact references... they are completely UNPROVEN and can only be taken as a possible probability for now. Other researches like Nassim Haramain and Claus Donna are promoting it the same unconfirmed... what if they are real angle.

[AlexanderLight]

Thank you Ilie Pandia for the outlined contours.

The story is allegedly backed up by the Mexican government itself, who allegedly released serious evidence of contact between extraterrestrials and the Mayans. This led to a documentary to be released in 2012, backed up by solid evidence, scientific studies, archaeologist testimonies, etc.

"The Mayans used to construct one pyramid over another," tourism minister for the Mexican state of Campeche Luis Augusto Garcia Rosado told TheWrap. "In the site at Calakmul, workers for INAH [the National Institute of Anthropology and History] have discovered rooms inside the pyramid that have never been seen or explored before.

"And we're letting this documentary film there, to see what has been discovered inside the pyramid."

Julia-Levy said he'd been made aware of the secret Mayan information by former Mexican president Vicente Fox -- a friend of his family -- and that it took four years of phone calls to finally get the OK from current president Felipe Calderon.

"This is very important for humanity, not just for Mexico," said Julia-Levy. "This information has been protected for 80 years, and now it's important for people to understand the series of events that are coming, and the consequences for all of us."

One big condition from the Mexican government was that the film get an initial theatrical release, which is planned for next fall, said Ed Elbert who is co-producing along with Julia-Levy and Sheila M. McCarthy and executive producer Eduardo Vertiz.

"It has to be released before the end of the Mayan calendar, which is Dec. 21, 2012," said Julia-Levy.

That’s the date that the Mayan calendar -- which some believe predicts a worldwide cataclysm -- comes to the end of a 5,126-year cycle, and resets for another cycle.

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[bluestflame]

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[Carmody]

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I´m not a Mayan expert, nor an archaeologist, but in my opinion, something is definitely wrong with the style of the drawings. I have got a very exquisite sense of aesthetics, and these drawing don´t look right.

Something about the elements distribution looks wrong...The lack of details as well...The flying saucers are also drawn in such an obvious way; Mayan artwork is much more symbolic.

Art that is typical of a civilisation changes often enough, it evolves, has periods and different styles. And that can happen in just a decade. I don't see why Mayan art should be different.

Looks early Mayan to me or even pre-mayan.
Very nice pics. One of them reminds me of a solar flare coming from the sun and a spaceship getting away from earth to escape it.

Of course, it could be Mayan. However, they need to present an expert report. Such clay/stone tablets are very easy to be falsified, in fact, when you travel trough South-America, you see lots of very nice crafts like these for sale.

When I was studying art history, in design school, I´ve learned that ancient civilizations couldn´t draw perspectives, this is a fact. That´s why most ancient drawings are just flat. What calls my attention in these supposedly Mayan artifacts, is that, in one of them (post #4, last image) you can see a flat side view of a flying saucer and another one in perspective, showing part of its bottom section.This seems a little incoherent. And if it´s a pre-mayan artifact, it´s even most incoherent.

Anyway, as scientists, they have the obligation to make a complete analyzes of these objects, before using them to build part of a theory.

Cheers,

Raf.

There is a lot of art in South America and indeed around the world that cannot be classified in the classical scientific dogma and is therefore totally discarded by it.

Claus Dona has made some wonderfull inquieries into this;

Of course. However, this small tablets could easily be scientifically tested using carbon analyses together with professional artistic/historic analyses, by qualified professionals. This would give precise results about their legitimacy. That´s why they do in archaeology, right? These kinds of analyzes are a standard before any piece can get into a serious museum.

Cheers,

Raf.

Carbon dating can only be applied on organic material, unfortunately it doesn't work on stone or other inorganic materials. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

It is now possible, according to emergent public science..to fabricate carbon dating situationals. ie, to create a falsely dated item. Only in the one direction though. to make it seem younger than it is. This, re the particles emanating from the sun or at least associated with the sun as a component of the action.....and using a method of placing a given item inside of a pyramid, and it will reverse it's age, according to carbon dating methodology. This is something that happens throughout (the effect is through the material, even the earth itself) the given item, thus the given item may in fact, be much older than suspected.

If the particle from the sun or connected to the sun's state is indeed true then this behavior may be cyclic,and thus any carbon dating methodology may be seriously flawed to an unknown degree. this is due to the basis of it's credibility and accuracy being thoroughly removed.

The other method is brown's gas, regarding the quantum electrical individual particle action that occurs with it, when it is used on any material. it wipes out radiation in the act of doing so. See the '2.8 billion less cars on the road for $60M' thread for information on that, in specifics and in detail ---it is also possible to relate it to chemtrails.