Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[BestLion]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
BestLion, can you give some references for your beliefs about the Anunnaki from the Sumerian texts?

i don't only read those guys, I try to judge my findings on what history says on them..from how the Hitties talk about their gods, how the Babylonians viewed their gods ..Baal for example is a Annunaki type. Also I found when reading these gurus they dont even agree like Sitchen and Tony Green..they are not totally on the same page about all this..Thus I find it best to veiw what cultures have said about their gods..
Ive studing alot on ancient histories of peoples like the Persians, Babylonians, Hittites, Israelite, Egyptians, Sumarians..and many of these peoples gods are nothing more then offspring's of the Annunaki type gods.

[Ishtar]

Posted by BestLion (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
BestLion, can you give some references for your beliefs about the Anunnaki from the Sumerian texts?

i don't only read those guys, I try to judge my findings on what history says on them..from how the Hitties talk about their gods, how the Babylonians viewed their gods ..Baal for example is a Annunaki type. Also I found when reading these gurus they dont even agree like Sitchen and Tony Green..they are not totally on the same page about all this..Thus I find it best to veiw what cultures have said about their gods..
Ive studing alot on ancient histories of peoples like the Persians, Babylonians, Hittites, Israelite, Egyptians, Sumarians..and many of these peoples gods are nothing more then offspring's of the Annunaki type gods.

Yes, I agree with all that. But you gave some very specific qualiities and features about the Anunnaki, so I wondered where that information came from. I also only read the sacred texts ~ the Sumerian, the Vedas, the Egyptian etc to get my information because it's the only reliable source. Anything else is just someone else's ideas (or deliberate deception). My point is, as I said in the opening post, I believe that psy-ops are using Sitchin or von Daniken-type stories about the Anunnaki to try to frighten people and keep them in line, and that's my sole reason for wanting to examine this subject, so that we can see what we can prove and what is just supposition.

[BestLion]

Here is a list of the Hittite gods..notice the similarities to the Sumerian gods>

The Hittites

A history of the Hittites including their cities, kings, art and contributions to civilization
Hittite Gods
B = Babylonian
ALALUS: Father of Anus. Anus removed him from the throne.


ANUS: Sky God. Removed his father Alalus from the throne, and was, himself, removed by his son Kumarbis. B = Anu.


ARINNA: Sun Goddess. She sent an Eagle out in search of Telepinus. The effort failed.


EA: He resides in the Apsu, just as he does in Babylonia. What he does in the Hittite pantheon I don't know. He is the one who decided on how to defeat Ulikummis, by using the copper knife that was "used to seperate heaven and earth". B.


ENLIL: Enlil also makes a guest appearance in the Ulikummis myth. He saw Ulikummis as a child and told the gods later, after the child had grown to it's great size, that they could not hope to defeat it.


HEBAT: Wife of Teshub.


HANNAHANNAS: Queen of Heaven. She urges Teshub to do something about Telepinus' disappearance. Teshub went as far as Telepinus' own door, where he banged on the door until he broke his hammer, and thus abandoned the quest.


ILLUYANKAS: A dragon slain by Teshub. There are two versions of this myth. In the old version, they two gods fight and Illuyankas wins. Teshub" then goes to Inaras for advice, and she devises a trap for the dragon. She goes to him with large quantities of liqure, and entices him to drink his fill. Once drunk, the dragon is bound, and Teshub appears with the other gods and kills him. In the later version, the two gods fight and Teshub, again, loses. Illuyankas then takes Teshub's eyes and heart. Teshub then has a son, who grows and marries Illuyankas' daughter. Teshub tells his son to ask for his eyes and heart as a wedding gift, and it is given. Restored, Teshub goes to face Illuyankas once more. At the point of vanquishing the dragon, Teshub's son finds out about the battle; realizing that he had been used for this purpose. He demaned that his father take him along with Illuyankas, and so Teshub killed them both.


illuyankas's daughter: See Illuyankas.


IMBALURIS: A messenger of Kumarbis.


INARAS: Goddess who set a trap for Illuyankas in the old version of the myth.


IRSIRRA DEITIES, THE: Either the "Maidens of Heaven" or else they are underworld deities.


ISHTAR: Only appears in Hittite myth in an attempt to lull Ulikummis by undressing and singing to him. Her attempt failed as the creature didn't see or hear her. B.


KAMRUSEPAS: Goddess of healing and magick. She calms and purified Telepinus upon his return.


KUMARBIS: The Hittlte High God (like El of the Canaanites), Father of the Gods. Removed his father, Anus, from the throne. In order to keep his son Teshub from removing him from the throne, he made Ulikummis to oppose him.


MUKISANUS: Vizier of Kumarbis.


sea goddess: Kumarbis went to this goddess for advice on how to stop Teshub from taking the throne. Her advice seems to have lead to the creation of Ulikummis.


SHAUSHKA: a Love Goddess.


teshub's son: See Illuyankas.


TELEPINUS: He is like Tammuz, a fertility god. He becomes enraged for reasons unknown and storms off into the stepp lands where he falls asleep. Draught and famine ensue. He was brought back by a Bee, after extensive searching by the gods had failed. Son of Teshub.


TESHUB: Ruler God (like Baal of the Canaanites), son of Kumarbis. He is also a sun God, and a fertility God. He carries a hammer as a weapon. He defeated Ulikummis with the help of Ea. When Kumarbis first attempted to remove his father, Anus, from the throne, he bit off the Anus' loins in the struggle. Thus, Anus' seed was implanted within Kumarbis and Teshub was born.


UBELLURIS: This deity is much like the Greek Atlas, who supports the world on his shoulders. Ulikummis was placed on his right shoulder by the Irsirra deities to grow tall and strong. Ubelluris didn't even notice the presence until Ea pointed it out to him.


ULIKUMMIS: Son of Kumarbis. He was made to oppose Teshub. There is also mention that he destoys some of mankind. However, he is actually described as being blind, deaf, and dumb; as well as immobile. He was made of stone and placed on Ubelluris' shoulder to grow. He grew until he reached heaven itself. When the gods found him, Ishtar removed her clothing and attempted to lull him with music, but he didn't see or hear her (as he was a blind and deaf creature). The gods attempted to destroy him, but had no affect (he didn't even notice). Finally, Ea called for the Copper Knife that had been used in the seperation of heaven and earth. He then used the blade to sever Ulikummis from Ubelluris' shoulder; lopping the creature off at the feet. Teshub was then able to destroy the creature totally. It is interesting to note that this god's name is the same as a pair of twin volcanic mountains in Asia Minor. This may explain why he is said to be destroying mankind, even in his seemingly catatonic state.

[Ishtar]

Yes, these peoples all married each other's sisters and swapped stories along the trade routes throughout Mesopotamia, Egypt and India. But it is important to realise that they were myths and not history.

I used to know someone who said: "The only difference between mythology and history is that mythology is true."

Think about it!

[BestLion]

I think myths and legends are part of history and we can learn much about many things via this method. I for one as a historian include myths and legends in my thoughts on history. Heck if you think about it..Atlantis, Aliens, fairies etc..all really just myths...nobody has 100% solid evidence to prove them..yet..why are we on this forum if we didnt think these myths had some 'truth" to them?
** Also i agree with you on many of these writers as having agendas..best to view a wide variety of things before we 100% agree with only 1 mans writings..that can also be cult like.

[777]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
BestLion, can you give some references for your beliefs about the Anunnaki from the Sumerian texts?

i don't only read those guys, I try to judge my findings on what history says on them..from how the Hitties talk about their gods, how the Babylonians viewed their gods ..Baal for example is a Annunaki type. Also I found when reading these gurus they dont even agree like Sitchen and Tony Green..they are not totally on the same page about all this..Thus I find it best to veiw what cultures have said about their gods..
Ive studing alot on ancient histories of peoples like the Persians, Babylonians, Hittites, Israelite, Egyptians, Sumarians..and many of these peoples gods are nothing more then offspring's of the Annunaki type gods.

Yes, I agree with all that. But you gave some very specific qualiities and features about the Anunnaki, so I wondered where that information came from. I also only read the sacred texts ~ the Sumerian, the Vedas, the Egyptian etc to get my information because it's the only reliable source. Anything else is just someone else's ideas (or deliberate deception). My point is, as I said in the opening post, I believe that psy-ops are using Sitchin or von Daniken-type stories about the Anunnaki to try to frighten people and keep them in line, and that's my sole reason for wanting to examine this subject, so that we can see what we can prove and what is just supposition.

Are we to assume that the ancient texts are gospel though? Everything else is just someone's ideas sure, but they're based on ancient texts which are just.......someone else's ideas elaborated upon and henceforth corrupted. It then becomes a question of how far you're permitted (with the information available) to go back. That can only come from within imo.

I agree with your point here that Niburu is proveable, but exactly what it is not reachable and mostly shrouded in bullsh..

[Hughe]

The Annunaki did what the bad boys manufactured stories for the 9/11 and other dirty things thousands years ago.
The story of Gods in Hindu context has realistic stories and facts.

[Unified Serenity]

Do you think being in the bloodline of these ancient beings matters?

[Ishtar]

You make some good points 777. They are just 'someone's idea' but the idea was for a good reason.

Myths were originally teaching stories that contained allegories and metaphors to teach various scientific concepts about the universe that could be applied through astronomy, sacred geometry, architecture, smithery and so on.... The teaching wasn't so fragmented and silo-ed off into compartments as it is now .. so philosophy was taught alongside mathematics and to understand the nature of God was to be an expert in we call today 'particle physics.' However, instead of lengthy algebraic equations, the ancients told stories to make their points.

They composed stories in the stars to act as mnemonics for astronomy studies, and the planets to them were gods and goddesses who got up to all sorts to explain astronomical cycles.

It was understood that these teachings were allegorical in nature. Right up until the Gnostic Christians, whose stories can be found in the Nag Hammadi gospels, the myths or sacred text teachings were understood to be in metaphor and allegory and it wasn't until the 3rd century CE and the Emperor Constantine that it changed.

At this time, there was only one very small cult of Christians in Rome who believed in Jesus Christ as a historical figure, and most of the other Christians were Gnostics who understood the scriptural stories as metaphors. Constantine had heard about the beliefs of this cult – that the dying and resurrecting godman was a historical account about a real person. And so he thought to himself: “That’s just the sort of religion that I need to control all the peoples of my vast empire.” … or something like that, anyway.

He had realised that, because the nature of the philosophy of this particular group was literal rather than metaphorical, it would make a wonderful control mechanism. He could control his whole empire through guilt and fear – or what became known as Original Sin. That's why I've referred to it as a psy-ops campaign.

In addition, by setting up a historical figure who died forthe sins of the people, and who interceded with the gods/God on their behalf, then the followers did not need to have their own relationships with the spirits, or gods or God. All that they had to do to be ‘saved’ was to believe in this Sun god fellow. And any interactions between the mundane and the divine could all be nicely handled by a Pope that would be appointed by the Emperor and given the title of God’s Representative on Earth.

And so all that messy and subjective and unpredictable mystical and spiritual business was finally taken out of the hands of the people and left solely to the priests who had been appointed by the Pope.

That's why during Constantine’s reign, and the subsequent reigns of the emperors who followed him over hundreds of years, the whole edifice of the Mystery teachings was destroyed. The libraries where all the knowledge of shamanism and spirituality was stored were burned down, the places where it was taught were sacked and put to the torch, and thousands of dissenters were named as heretics or pagans and murdered.

Of course, it took a long time to wipe out people’s memories that they once had had their own individual experience with, and thus were empowered by, the gods or God (aka, the spirits). Much killing and destruction took place over generations, all over the empire. You can see how extensive it was from the coloured bit of this map which also shows the names of each country’s mythical dying and resurrecting godman, the memories of which had all to be wiped out or demonised in order for the version of the historic godman to remain publicly perceived as true.



Even the priestly astronomers at this time were suppressed. Once, one pointed out that the Earth was round. Another that the Earth went round the Sun. But because all the literature and learning had been destroyed, no-one could quite remember what shape the Earth was, or how it fitted into everything else. And anyway, these astronomers’ teachings went against the teachings of the priesthood, that the Earth was the centre of the Universe, and not the Sun.

So here we are today after 2,000 years of reading myths literally, and that's why we apply that exact same thinking to older texts, like the Sumerian ones. We haven't been taught that they are metaphorical, let alone how to read metaphor, because the knowledge about that was destroyed. So we mistakenly read them as literal history.

As a shaman, when I read myths, I know I'm reading the accounts of other shamans describing what I experience on the shamanic journey and meeting with these same spirits who are teaching me the same particle physics and understanding about the building blocks of the universe.

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Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Do you think being in the bloodline of these ancient beings matters?

Well, how can you be in the bloodline of beings who've never been human? They were spirits. Of course, when the understanding that they were spirits was lost, then it might have been necessary to pretend that you were in the bloodline of a god. But in reality, nobody was.

[BestLion]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Do you think being in the bloodline of these ancient beings matters?

I think it does. They were not as democracy they were a Caste system. They had priest, prophets, magicians ect..and they ruler in line of the blood..as kings do.
Also they didnt have political correctness and all that modern day rubbish as we now have in society.
Also in near all ancient cultures like the Hittites the kings and nobles 'humans for the most part' considered themselves gods, and set themselves apart from the rest of the peasants. Heck this even went all the way up to near modern times.. Caesar considered himself a god, And many English Kings also claimed this.

[ghostrider]

just an opinion, south africa the first people, civilization and such, some venture out end up in sumeria taking their traditions with them. just a hunch. the annunaki have corrected our DNA 65 times according to Bob Lazar. African people in their dna cannot be programmed. they are taller, stronger, and can out work anyone . they dominate every sport even to this day. anything athletic they do it best... the original slave race of the annunaki...

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Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Do you think being in the bloodline of these ancient beings matters?

absolutely yes, the life of the flesh is in the blood.

[Ishtar]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
the annunaki have corrected our DNA 65 times according to Bob Lazar.

What is his scriptural reference for this?

OK, have looked him up now .. this guy sounds like he's from Psy-Ops 'R Us.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Yes, these peoples all married each other's sisters and swapped stories along the trade routes throughout Mesopotamia, Egypt and India. But it is important to realise that they were myths and not history.

I used to know someone who said: "The only difference between mythology and history is that mythology is true."

Think about it!

He who controls education, controls history. Think about that for a minute.

[Laurel]

Great thread. Ashtar, I would love to hear more of your thoughts.
Joseph Campbell, in "Hero with A Thousand Faces" and Bill Moyer's amazing 'The Power of Myth' videos, addresses the connection between the "gods" myths. His knowledge and explanations are breathtaking. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

He who controls education, controls history.

I absolutely agree with you, White Feather. My daughter is very lucky to have a high school history teacher from another country. He often gives the kids another point of view about what is in the history books and media. At 17, she already has learned not to trust all she hears on the news.

[BestLion]

African people in their dna cannot be programmed. they are taller, stronger, and can out work anyone . they dominate every sport even to this day. anything athletic they do it best... the original slave race of the annunaki..

I listened to Coast to Coast, and one rather smart man was taking that the genetic difference between say Sweds to Africans is really like 2-3%..thats quit huge.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zDLmqfAZ2C0
"This video is 7 minutes talks of the Annunaki and races
I for one since my conquest to gain 'truth' have thrown out the window my programing thoughts on 'we are all the same, political correctness etc" I WANT TRUTH! As a historian, only since 1965 has the world said all races are the same la la la..bull. From Sumeria -Martin Luther King.. people have never considered all races equal. And also in my study on lost civilizations I am finding many clues of the same. This is nothing to do with racism, but has to do with DNA, and human differences that i think it high time to expose!
Why is it the African can spend years in the sun and not worry about skin caner while a pale white from Ireland if exposed can get skin cancer early in life? "David Wilcox claims cancer is a form of dysfunctional DNA, or a break down of it..more less, cancer is causes by corrupted DNA! just think about that , and think about races, why certain peoples are exposed to things other races cant get..like Africans and sickle cell. Also why are Africans more likely to get AIDS then whites, and one test done says 10% of Nordics are immune to AIDS. It all has to do with DNA..David Wilcox even talks about this numerous times.
Watch that quick video I think he nails it!
I also think the black race were the ones doing the Mining in Africa..and after the catastrophic they moved to central Africa as a safe harbor. I also think they had non black rulers over them. Not all races came out of Africa..thats utter BS! Many races were already here in different places. With different DNA structors.
Also I think it is Christians agenda to claim all races came from Adam..This is just complete fallacy. Adam was not the only man-race created..many were created. Adam was just one of the races.
This has nothing to do with which race is better. its has to do with different DNA, and different times of creations. The same as can be said of the differences between a tiger and a puma..Both are cat family but have different DNA..We dont consider these two cats equal..for they are not equal to each other..but both are from the same family..Same as a Lion and Tiger..two different types, and even act and command different..but are not the same...but on the same not they can mix with each other..and create a liger.

[jcocks]

Ishtar...

I know this is off-topic slightly, but would you say that a lot of our dreams may be a sort of shamanic journey? I've been, for quite some time, of the opinion that our dreams are far more important (and meaningful) than we are lead to believe. In western cultures, we're all but told to ignore our dreams.... Of course, the ancient cultures know/knew better...

[modwiz]

Posted by jcocks (here)
Ishtar...

I know this is off-topic slightly, but would you say that a lot of our dreams may be a sort of shamanic journey? I've been, for quite some time, of the opinion that our dreams are far more important (and meaningful) than we are lead to believe. In western cultures, we're all but told to ignore our dreams.... Of course, the ancient cultures know/knew better...

LOL. Western culture has become an oxymoron. Wasn't always that way. Certain unsavory influences have produced that result with the unconscious willingness of the parasitized culture.

[write4change]

There is a documentary film out about spending two years after breaking down the human genome of them going out to various areas of the world and taking their DNA. One of the things learned is that there were no blue eyes or white men until ten thousand years ago and they showed up in the Northern Himalayas first where the Chinese found mummies of tall red haired blue eyed people and they have surpressed all research on that.

Just like they are planting forests on all their pyramids that they won't let be excavated. There is one film from 1994 showing a bunch of them from a distance and then up close so you have no doubt what they are not hills as the natives thought.

[BestLion]

Just like they are planting forests on all their pyramids that they won't let be excavated. There is one film from 1994 showing a bunch of them from a distance and then up close so you have no doubt what they are not hills as the natives thought.

They say from the Canary Islands-South American to China are thousands of these pyramids that are now covered by forest and no excavation has been done on them. No doubt their are a lot of missing clues about the lost civilizations.Also why will they not excavate under the paw of the Spinx? It is noted by sysmograpghs that their is a hallow room under the Sphinx paw. Yet forbidden to excavate that stuff..

[Ishtar]

Posted by Laurel (here)
Great thread. Ashtar, I would love to hear more of your thoughts.
Joseph Campbell, in "Hero with A Thousand Faces" and Bill Moyer's amazing 'The Power of Myth' videos, addresses the connection between the "gods" myths. His knowledge and explanations are breathtaking. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

I have read Joseph's Campbell's book The Hero With A Thousand Faces and I found it to be a good starting point for learning to read metaphor and allegory in what, up until now, others have tried to convince us are historical accounts. When you read this book, you can see clearly that myths cannot be historical accounts ~ otherwise why does the same hero turn up in so many diverse places on the Earth and perform the same or very similar actions with similar characters in similar plotlines?

So then you begin to realise that these similar stories were part of a worldwide system of teaching, with just the names and locations altered slightly to make the story relevant to the locality it was being told in. Then you start to ask why these stories were told ...

jcocks, yes I agree about dreams, but as Modwiz says, Back To Topic.