Cannabis legislation / legalization

[Mike Gorman]

The point that comes to light for me in these debates about Drugs is primarily: The Freedom of the Individual to choose for themselves.
Regardless of whether you think the same states can be achieved 'Naturally' or with cold baths first thing-or any other consideration
is the Liberty of the individual to take whatever substance they see fit to take, as long as they are 1.Adults, 2.know the dangers, 3.are not hurting
others-I mean really, what is it to you, or the law, or anyone for that matter?

[Midnight Rambler]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
You ONLY want the THC... THC makes you 'High'... there are other active ingredients that make you 'stoned' or drowsy.

The Dutch government advises to use a vaporizer.

Smoking cannabis is just as harmful as smoking tobacco. It can cause lung complaints and possibly lung cancer. You are therefore advised not to smoke medicinal cannabis. To avoid harmful effects, cannabis can be inhaled used a vaporiser, which works by vaporising the active elements.

Vaporisers work by passing hot air (185 C) over the cannabis. The resulting vapour can be inhaled through a tube, or collected in a bag and then inhaled. As a rule, approximately 100 mg of medicinal cannabis must be placed in the atomiser each time it is used. The cannabis can, in principle, be used more than once, as there are usually some active elements remaining after the first use. However, if an identical effect is required each time the vaporiser is used, the used cannabis will need to be removed and replaced with a fresh dose.

Source

[wolf_rt]

Midnight Rambler.... I was talking about THC for curing cancer... if you want to get stoned you will want ALL the active ingredients.... but good idea!

[Midnight Rambler]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
Midnight Rambler.... I was talking about THC for curing cancer... if you want to get stoned you will want ALL the active ingredients.... but good idea!

This is for curing illnesses as well. The source link goes to a Dutch government site about medicinal cannabis.

As a former smoker I have had a much better time when on a high instead when being stoned. Here in the Netherlands most people mix their cannabis with tobacco and the mix of THC and nicotine is the cause for the stoned state of mind. When smoking without tobacco you will get high instead. When using a vaporizer you will inhale only THC and some water vapor and no tar or other bad substances, that comes from burning the bud, will get in your lungs. So this is the healthiest way to inhale it.

I knew some folks who ate their hash, because they didn't smoke. And you can make some cannabis butter from the clippings. You can make cake, pies or just melt the butter and put it on a loaf of bread. This will bring on a mind altering effect as well.

[Belle]

Cannabis is also the best pain reliever, bringing instant relief from the most severe pain with no side effects.

[seko]

As a former smoker I have had a much better time when on a high instead when being stoned. Here in the Netherlands most people mix their cannabis with tobacco and the mix of THC and nicotine is the cause for the stoned state of mind. When smoking without tobacco you will get high instead.

Marijuana or Cannabis should be smoked without tobacco otherwise you'll get the bad toxins of cigarets and it's side effects.

[ktlight]

Does tobacco have side effects that hurt the shamans who use it in their rituals?

[seko]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Does tobacco have side effects that hurt the shamans who use it in their rituals?

Natural tobacco no.

Cigarettes like Malboro, Dunhill etc etc yes KT

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Zampano (here)
I am not the person who says...lets abandon drugs,
But there is a risk that you can get addicted from the effects that drugs are creating.

It doesnt matter if you are rich or poor-under stress you are looking for a relieve.
Some do sports or do yoga or whatever...
Alcohol and weed are also common methodes to "escape" from, yes the real world I think.

I have seen people "wasting" their lives with smoking pot everyday and dont do anything.
Up to the point where they got paranoid and had anxiety attacks.

And I have seen people run huge corporations and be responsible for tons of money and people and legalities associated with the responsibility, with out a hitch, without an incident, without being irresponsible, year after year, without acting like or appearing like a stoner or any of those sterotypes associated with pot.

Not everyone tolerates pot well. I am one of those. Some people don't tolerate alcohol, some people don't tolerate cabbage, some people don't tolerate religion or relatives. Most people learn to stay away from things that they don't tolerate well.

Those who don't are just down right stupid and will not succeed in anything they do in life, irregardless of pot smoking. They should not be punished for their stupidity, nor should I have to pay for a judicial system to control or punish them.


Its time we reduced our prison population, stop splitting up families, stop making money off of people who smoke.

and if smoking is going to be tolerated by the justice system then they also must tolerate and set free those who grow, distribute and sell marijuana.

[percival tyro]

In 1964 around one in 214 persons contracted cancer.......Since the formation of the larger cancer research agencies, the estimated total donated stands at around four trillion dollars......Today around one in three females and one in two males contract cancer.

[ktlight]

Posted by percival tyro (here)
In 1964 around one in 214 persons contracted cancer.......Since the formation of the larger cancer research agencies, the estimated total donated stands at around four trillion dollars......Today around one in three females and one in two males contract cancer.

Cancer is big business, makes a lot of money from the sick.

[percival tyro]

definitely the scam of the century if you don't like human beings....here's the recipe for success...Find a deadly disease. Don't try to cure it but nurture and sustain it. When you have achieved the desired result, advertise for contributions towards a cure and create a fabulous income. Round up the collateral damage, (relatives and loved ones). Give them a tin and arrange with the supermarkets for a nice warm spot for them just inside the door. Call it a charity and don't pay any taxes. There you are Wall street that's how it should be done!.

[TargeT]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Cancer is big business, makes a lot of money from the sick.

they recently announced a "cure"

but when you listen to it, its just another treatment.. it embeds gold flakes in cancer cells then you hit htem with radio waves and they burn out the cancer... BUT DO NOT deal with its original formation...

so even the "cure" is just another treatment.....

if only everyone were educated in the Trivium... Grammar is first for a reason, a word MEANS something & people who know what "cure" vrs "treatment" means... well none of this would ever fly in an educated population...

our collective, purposefuly arrogant ignorance is a great challange currently.

[Laurel]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Zampano (here)
Alcohol and weed are also common methodes to "escape" from, yes the real world I think.

I have seen people "wasting" their lives with smoking pot everyday and dont do anything.

Those who don't are just down right stupid and will not succeed in anything they do in life, irregardless of pot smoking. They should not be punished for their stupidity, nor should I have to pay for a judicial system to control or punish them.

Arrowind, I agree. Zampano, the people who are escaping from their lives will do it regardless of the method. Pot is one tool, but it could be really anything that allows a person to escape. My point is that it's the person, not the tool.

[Laurel]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
I am also of the opinion that marijuana was made illegal to popularize it. There was only a few Mexicans smoking pot before it was made illegal... after... well....

It does interfere with brain development in early teens....

When was the last time you saw a 15 year old with a Valium habit???

Marijuana/hemp was made illegal so cotton, paper, etc big businesses could take over. It had nothing to do with making it more popular.

Seriously, at 15?? You have to be kidding or don't have kids in high school. Scoffing at this infuriates me. True, Valium is passe. Now it's Oxycotin, various other painkillers, and sadly heroin. When I was in high school, it was Quaaludes (not for me though). This is a serious issue in the high schools, regardless of the neighborhood or wealth. We live in a very nice town and my daughter goes to one of the best schools in our state. Just about a year ago, one of her classmates died from an overdose of painkillers. This girl was gorgeous, popular and addicted to pills.

[Franny]

Posted by percival tyro (here)
In 1964 around one in 214 persons contracted cancer.......Since the formation of the larger cancer research agencies, the estimated total donated stands at around four trillion dollars......Today around one in three females and one in two males contract cancer.

percival, do you know where you found this statistic? Is there a link? Thanks!

[wolf_rt]

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
I am also of the opinion that marijuana was made illegal to popularize it. There was only a few Mexicans smoking pot before it was made illegal... after... well....

It does interfere with brain development in early teens....

When was the last time you saw a 15 year old with a Valium habit???

Marijuana/hemp was made illegal so cotton, paper, etc big businesses could take over. It had nothing to do with making it more popular.

Seriously, at 15?? You have to be kidding or don't have kids in high school. Scoffing at this infuriates me. True, Valium is passe. Now it's Oxycotin, various other painkillers, and sadly heroin. When I was in high school, it was Quaaludes (not for me though). This is a serious issue in the high schools, regardless of the neighborhood or wealth. We live in a very nice town and my daughter goes to one of the best schools in our state. Just about a year ago, one of her classmates died from an overdose of painkillers. This girl was gorgeous, popular and addicted to pills.

Every 'conspiracy' you look at has many angles, many causes and effects, i don't disagree about the Du-pont ect. angle... just think theres more to it also...

Im thinking here of the Reefer madness campaign in the 1930's.... when very few people actually smoked pot... it was more like advertising.

Scoffing at what???? Things are likely different in the US, but having a pill habit is not 'cool' in Australia (note - 'habit' not just taking pills when available).
When i was at school 12 years ago (quite a while admittedly) perhaps 0.5% had a Hard drug habit, compared to perhaps 15-20% who had a pot habit, As far as i know (and i was in a position to know) NOBODY had a 'pill' habit...

extacy is now very popular in school age people... but it is reserved for the weekend, when they hit it hard.... not really a habit in my opinion, i would call a habit daily use.

[Laurel]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
I am also of the opinion that marijuana was made illegal to popularize it. There was only a few Mexicans smoking pot before it was made illegal... after... well....

It does interfere with brain development in early teens....

When was the last time you saw a 15 year old with a Valium habit???

Marijuana/hemp was made illegal so cotton, paper, etc big businesses could take over. It had nothing to do with making it more popular.

Seriously, at 15?? You have to be kidding or don't have kids in high school. Scoffing at this infuriates me. True, Valium is passe. Now it's Oxycotin, various other painkillers, and sadly heroin. When I was in high school, it was Quaaludes (not for me though). This is a serious issue in the high schools, regardless of the neighborhood or wealth. We live in a very nice town and my daughter goes to one of the best schools in our state. Just about a year ago, one of her classmates died from an overdose of painkillers. This girl was gorgeous, popular and addicted to pills.

Every 'conspiracy' you look at has many angles, many causes and effects, i don't disagree about the Du-pont ect. angle... just think theres more to it also...

Im thinking here of the Reefer madness campaign in the 1930's.... when very few people actually smoked pot... it was more like advertising.

Scoffing at what???? Things are likely different in the US, but having a pill habit is not 'cool' in Australia (note - 'habit' not just taking pills when available).
When i was at school 12 years ago (quite a while admittedly) perhaps 0.5% had a Hard drug habit, compared to perhaps 15-20% who had a pot habit, As far as i know (and i was in a position to know) NOBODY had a 'pill' habit...

extacy is now very popular in school age people... but it is reserved for the weekend, when they hit it hard.... not really a habit in my opinion, i would call a habit daily use.

I'm sorry for accusing you of scoffing. The subject of pills and teens is pretty emotional for me. You're right, it is a pretty serious issue in the US. I'll PM you with more info.

I understand your point that there may be more to it.

A little over a year ago, I bought Salvia in a regular store. Today it is illegal in my state. It's just crazy. Salvia is not addictive, not something you're going to want to use all the time. It doesn't get you high, but you will trip for about 15 minutes. It opens your mind, is shown to help tremendously with depression, has no harmful side effects and is a very positive experience. So, of course they make it illegal.

[Mulder]

Jury nullification (Jury nullification occurs in a trial when a jury reaches a verdict contrary to the judge's instructions as to the law) is the BEST non-violent way to show up the false war on drugs. I urge every jury to do this because the Govt is responsible for bringing in a lot of the drugs (see Iran-contra scandal for proof) , then they lock-up poor addicts who need to go receive treatment in a hospital for their drug addiction. I saw a great documentary in Canada about injecting rooms and the treatment of addicts. This treatment was even cheaper than the cost of prison!

[spiritguide]

Are we all not blind to the fact that Cannabis is a gift from the Creator with many uses including many healing uses. For many thousands of years if not more it has been used though the knowledge of the elders. Greed my friends has been the bane upon using the earth's bountiful treasures as we see fit for ourselves. Can any man. nation or society stand between you and the Creators gifts? Is it right or just? I say no because if we think we can we already lost our soul. IMO