Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[araucaria]

Fascinating thread, Ishtar, thank you!

I do have a minor quibble though, with the following:

The Oxford scholars borrowed this word from the classical Greeks who called the spirits 'Adonai' and this was translated by the scholars as 'gods'.

The classical Greeks actually used the word theos, plural theoi, feminine thea (the root of theology). In Hesiod’s Works and Days, for instance (verse 72), you get ‘thea Athene’, where ‘the goddess Athena’ is not a mistranslation. (I studied ancient Greek and have read large chunks of Homer & Co in the original, so I know what I’m talking about here).

‘Adonai’ on the other hand is one Hebrew word for God/Lord.

Any discussion of this topic would have to refer to Julian Jaynes’ book on “The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind”, claiming that the Greek gods were voices in men’s heads before consciousness even existed. It is a controversial thesis to say the least, and it has been taken up in some extremely negative ways, heading in the direction of presentday mind control.

[Ishtar]

Thank you, araucaria, for that correction. I was typing so fast that I got careless and mixed up my Adonais with my Theos.

Yes Julian Jaynes was much under-rated if not vilified at the time.

[RedeZra]

the Anunnaki of Sumer seems to be the Nephilim of the Bible

the heroes of old the giant demigods the sons of Anak


Gilgamesh an ancient king of Sumer is described as two-thirds god and one third man and is depicted as a giant

there were giants on the earth in those days according to Scripture traditions artifacts and bones

these were huge flesh and blood hybrids between humans and spirits

[Ishtar]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
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there were giants on the earth in those days according to Scripture traditions artifacts and bones

these were huge flesh and blood hybrids between humans and spirits

We know about the stories, like Gilgamesh, but would you like to provide some archaeological evidence for these bones?

[Ishtar]

This may seem to be going off topic but I know some of you are having trouble with the idea that myths are metaphorical and allegorical teachings and not historical accounts, so I'd like to introduce you to the Stoic philosopher Philo of Alexandria really just to make the point that 2,000 years ago, many of the most respected scribes and scholars read the Bible as allegory and not historical fact.

Philo (20 BC – 50 AD), known also as Philo of Alexandria (Greek: Φίλων ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς), Philo Judaeus, Philo Judaeus of Alexandria, Yedidia, "Philon", and Philo the Jew, was a Hellenistic Jewish Biblical philosopher born in Alexandria.

Philo used philosophical allegory to attempt to fuse and harmonize Greek philosophy with Jewish philosophy. His method followed the practices of both Jewish exegesis and Stoic philosophy. His allegorical exegesis was important for several Christian Church Fathers, but he has barely any reception history within Judaism. "The sophists of literalness," as he calls the literalist Jews,[1] "opened their eyes superciliously" when he explained to them the marvels of his exegesis. He believed that literal interpretations of the Hebrew Bible would stifle mankind's view and perception of a God too complex and marvelous to be understood in literal human terms.

He has actually given a sort of at-a-glance, 'quick and dirty' way to understand Bibilical stories as allegorical exegesis: a sort of Bible code if you like. (Dan Brown would love it!)

He has special rules that direct the reader to recognize the passages which demand an allegorical interpretation, and which help the initiated to find the correct and intended meaning. These passages are such as contain:

The doubling of a phrase;
An apparently superfluous expression in the text;
The repetition of statements previously made;
A change of phraseology—all these phenomena point to something special that the reader must consider.
An entirely different meaning may also be found by a different combination of the words, disregarding the ordinarily accepted division of the sentence in question into phrases and clauses.
The synonyms must be carefully studied; e.g., why λαὸς ("people") is used in one passage and γένος ("genus") in another, etc.
A play upon words must be utilized for finding a deeper meaning; e.g., sheep (πρόβατa) stand for progress in knowledge, since they derive their name from the fact of their progressing (προβαίνειν), etc.
A definite allegorical sense may be gathered from certain particles, adverbs, prepositions, etc.;
and in certain cases it can be gathered even from the parts of a word; e.g., from διά in διάλευκος.
Every word must be explained in all its meanings, in order that different interpretations may be found.
The skillful interpreter may make slight changes in a word, following the rabbinical rule, "Read not this way, but that way." Philo, therefore, changed accents, breathings, etc., in Greek words.
Any peculiarity in a phrase justifies the assumption that some special meaning is intended: e.g., where μία ("one") is used instead of πρώτη ("first"; Gen. i.5), etc. Details regarding the form of words are very important:
The number of the word, if it shows any peculiarity in the singular or the plural: the tense of the verb, etc.;
The gender of the noun;
The presence or omission of the article;
The artificial interpretation of a single expression;
The position of the verses of a passage;
Peculiar verse-combinations;
Noteworthy omissions;
Striking statements;
Numeral symbolism. Philo found much material for this symbolism in the Hebrew Bible, and he developed it more thoroughly according to the methods of the Pythagoreans and Stoics. He could follow in many points the tradition handed down by his allegorizing predecessors.[18]

[edit] Numbers

Philo analyzed the usage of numbers of the Bible, and believed that certain numbers symbolized different ideas.

Philo regards number one as God's number, and the basis for all numbers ("De Allegoriis Legum," ii.12 [i.66]).
Philo regards number two as the number of schism, of that which has been created, of death ("De Opificio Mundi, § 9 [i.7]; "De Allegoriis Legum," i.2 [i.44]; "De Somaniis," ii.10 [i.688]).
Three is the number of the body ("De Allegoriis Legum," i. 2 [i.44]) or of the Divine Being in connection with His fundamental powers ("De Sacrificiis Abelis et Caini," § 15 [i.173]).
Four is potentially what the number ten actually is, the perfect number ("De Opificio Mundi," §§ 15, 16 [i.10, 11], etc.); but in an evil sense four is the number of the passions, πάθη ("De Congressu Quærendæ Eruditionis Gratia." § 17 [i.532]).
Five is the number of the senses and of sensibility ("De Opificio Mundi," § 20 [i.14], etc.).
Six, the product of the masculine and feminine numbers 3 × 2 and in its parts equal to 3+3, is the symbol of the movement of organic beings ("De Allegoriis Legum," i.2 [i.44]).
Seven has the most various and marvelous attributes ("De Opiticio Mundi," §§ 30-43 [i.21 et seq.]).
Eight, the number of the cube, has many of the attributes determined by the Pythagoreans ("Quæstiones in Genesin," iii.49 [i.223, Aucher]).
Nine is the number of strife, according to Gen. xiv. ("De Congressu Qu. Eruditionis Gratia," § 17 [i.532]).
Ten is the number of perfection ("De Plantatione Noë," § 29 [i.347]).

Philo determines also the values of the numbers 50, 70, and 100, 12, and 120.

[araucaria]

Yes, the Cabbala takes this approach to the Bible too - as an extremely tightly knit poem where you can squeeze meaning out of every last letter.

[D-Day]

For anyone who is interested, here's another thread related to this topic that was started by Bill Ryan back in April of this year...

The Annunaki: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...1-The-Anunnaki

And for those who can't be bothered looking through the thread, I've included Bill's opening post below...

Bill Ryan

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Dear All,

I recently wrote up some notes about the Anunnaki for someone who knew little about them. The concise report I created seemed to have some value (you will not find this information all in one place anywhere else) - and so here it is:

Anunnaki is Sumerian for "those who came from Heaven to Earth". They were regarded by the Sumerians as "gods", but were actually ETs.

They are 8-9 feet tall [2.4 - 2.7m], and like dressing up in ceremonial costumes (including headdresses), which are colorful, flamboyant, ornate, and ceremonial. Their culture goes back to 100,000 years or more, and they attach a great importance to tradition, ritual, ceremony and symbols.

They have large heads with a pronounced jaw and are physically very strong. They also have enhanced mental abilities and can certainly operate effectively in the astral realms. But their technology (spacecraft, and ability to manipulate space and time) is also very advanced.

They certainly do not ride around on an icy, rocky planetoid ("Nibiru") waiting patiently for it to return near Earth every 3,600 years. They have their own spacecraft. Henry Deacon said they looked a little like this (the 'wings' retract and are ornamental):



They were here in Sumerian times, about 6,000 years ago, when they arrived on Earth to 'jump-start' the Sumerian civilization which had always puzzled archeologists inasmuch as it seemed to arise out of a much more primitive culture, almost literally overnight.

Suddenly, the Sumerians had law, government, education, finance, literature, music, and everything that we would assume as a necessary part of a healthy civilized society.

The Anunnaki attach a great deal of importance to administration, laws, finance, agreements, and very complex administrative structures. Much of what has become imported into human societies as royal ceremony, pyramidal hierarchies, levels of initiation within secret societies, and all the attached complex symbolism, much of which has high traditional significance but which can also be deliberately obscure to the casual observer, can all be traced back to Anunnaki influence.

In present time, they are active on Mars, and this has been reported by Project Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon (pseudonym), who saw them at first hand. Henry said that since Sumerian times, the Anunnaki race has split into two factions - one friendly to humans and the other less so.

He hinted strongly that the less friendly race has acquired a taste for human flesh. He described how when he was working for black projects as an electronics engineer, he was invited to a briefing in which this topic was presented. He walked out in disgust, and was amazed that (a) no-one stopped him from leaving, and (b) he was the only person who walked out.

According to Zecharia Sitchin (recently passed) - who 'translated' many ancient Sumerian texts - and whose work has been dismissed by conventional archeologists but widely accepted among the alternative community - one reason the Anunnaki came to Planet Earth was to mine gold, which they had a strong desire for and attributed a great deal of value and importance to. It's possible that our own love and value and fascination for gold in the present day is a throwback to the attitude introduced by the Anunnaki.

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.

Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011

Just thought this might add another layer to the discussion.

POST EDIT:

Some may also find the following link to be a useful source of Annunaki-related information:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/su...naki-main.html

[BestLion]

scholars read the Bible as allegory and not historical fact.

Don't forget also the Bible is nothing more the pure plagiarism of the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Sumerian type religions.The nephliam were the Annunaki in the Sumerian religion..the Jews turned them into fallen angels. Jehovah god, also had other names like El Shadi, and Elohim...hnmm Elohim? El> Enlil?? ring a bell? Also this is the original name of god. Elohim also is plural.. NOT singular. The Bible is a copy of older religions that have been misinterpreted and used for one religions agenda. So when we read the Bible we are really reading the same old gods from the Sumerians-Hittite, Canaanites, Jubusites, Ammorities, Babylonians etc..

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

We know about the stories, like Gilgamesh, but would you like to provide some archaeological evidence for these bones?

the establishment does not like to exhibit evidence which challenge the theory of evolution

so bones of giants are most likely silenced inside Smithsonian cellars


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-in-those-days

[jcocks]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
So then you begin to realise that these similar stories were part of a worldwide system of teaching, with just the names and locations altered slightly to make the story relevant to the locality it was being told in. Then you start to ask why these stories were told ...

Actually, I would find the question of who more interesting. Then, once you know who, you can possibly ascertain why.

And, once again, I would say the anunaki / elohim / nephilim would be the likely culprits... And the why, well... probably a kind of "creation science for dummies", among other things....

I could of course be wrong, but it would really make my whole life to be shown proof that I am right

[Ishtar]

D-DAY

With no disrespect intended to Bill, his post is exactly the sort of pure unmitigated bilge that feeds psy-ops campaigns because it cannot be and is not substantiated by named sources or any written or archaeological evidence.

It is not enough to say that Sitchin fed us disinformation ~ he actually lied by pretending the Sumerian texts said something that they don't say. So once you know someone has lied, why would you believe anything else they say? And would you not question why they lied .... was it for money or power or were they coerced into doing so by higher powers? If his texts were channelled, why did he not say so? Because no-one would then believe him? Well, they'd be right.

Personally, I find most channelling highly suspect. When I read it, visions swim into my mind of second rate hack science fiction writers sitting around a table and cracking up laughing about the latest wheeze they've come up with. The channelling of the Ascensionists always follows the same line and has done for years ..."We are coming. It's just round the corner. We're arriving soon..." and yet they never come.

It is time for us to grow up and own our own narrative, rather than having one foisted upon by us by people we don't know, have never met and have no clue as to their integrity or motivation. This kind of disinformation feeds on ignorance and laziness... ignorance of what the texts actually say and archaeological record shows, and laziness about consulting the evidence for ourselves and coming to a self-empowered view. Instead, we just follow the latest self-professed leader like sheeple, not people.

I talked earlier in the thread about contacting other dimensions and working with the spirits there, that the Sumerians called the Anunnaki. There's another very good thread on here about Ralph Ring, who makes the point that none of the intra-dimensional craft that they constructed would work unless the operators consciousness (which is energy) was raised and that the only way to raise consciousness is by unconditional Love. That's how Ring and Co operated their craft, and that's why when the CIA and other operatives took his craft and tried to make them work, they couldn't. Same goes for why the CIA or any other psy-ops agents haven't the first clue about what the Anunnaki are ... but they can construct a good tale about them in order to manipulate people, just as psy-ops campaigns have been doing since the days of the Emperor Constantine.

I was really hoping to keep this thread concentrated on what we could ascertain for ourselves without interjection from various third party anonymous sources (this person said to this person said to this person) for which there is no possible substantiation. I also didn't intend it to be a lightening rod for further disinformation to be dumped down willy-nilly with no respect for the traditional academic method of providing references and sources.

So I don't see that post of Bill's 'adding another layer' unless you mean another layer of confusion and disinformation which has the net effect of once again disempowering the people, the sub-text being "I know better than you, but I can't tell you how I know or who I spoke to and you'll just have to accept it's all for your own good. Now be good and go along and play."

[Ishtar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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They were here in Sumerian times, about 6,000 years ago, when they arrived on Earth to 'jump-start' the Sumerian civilization which had always puzzled archeologists inasmuch as it seemed to arise out of a much more primitive culture, almost literally overnight.

Just pulling out this bit ... as it is patently not true to anyone who studies archaeology and anthropology. The Sumerian civilisation did not appear from nowhere. The story of man on this Earth can fully documented by the archaeological record for more than 200,000 years and there are no breaks in that record.

There are temples and planned, structured communities discernable right up to the end of the last Ice Age.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Suddenly, the Sumerians had law, government, education, finance, literature, music, and everything that we would assume as a necessary part of a healthy civilized society.

Again, not true ~ they were the first, along with the Indians, to write down what they were doing. That's all.

As for them being the first with music, I can show you a 40,000 year old flute.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
The Biblical story about the Judaic equivalent, the Elohim, often gets quoted as proof that they came to the Earth and made love with the "daughters of man". But this is a metaphor for how Spirit combines with matter ~ another term for electromagnetic energy. In ancient myths, Spirit is usually depicted as the male principle and Matter (mater, maternal) is represented as female. This story is about the act of fertility that is at the heart of the creation which is electromagnetic.

elohim in the Bible is used about spirits

there are several spirits and then there is the source of spirits

who is also Spirit

therefore elohim is also used about God who is Spirit and father of spirits

[Ishtar]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)

We know about the stories, like Gilgamesh, but would you like to provide some archaeological evidence for these bones?

the establishment does not like to exhibit evidence which challenge the theory of evolution

so bones of giants are most likely silenced inside Smithsonian cellars


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-in-those-days

Right, so that's very handy isn't it? They must be covering it up, so we're going to believe it anyway.

I know they do cover stuff up, but we need to see what they're covering up in the first place, before they cover it up, to be sure it exists.

Otherwise, I could just say that an anonymous source told me that they've got Anunakki skeletons in the Smithsonian that have three legs, four heads and pink penises ... and who could dispute me?

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I know they do cover stuff up, but we need to see what they're covering up in the first place, before they cover it up, to be sure it exists.

Otherwise, I could just say that an anonymous source told me that they've got Anunakki skeletons in the Smithsonian that have three legs, four heads and pink penises ... and who could dispute me?

i don't need the establishment to show me the bones

when Scripture tradition and artifacts tell me that there were giants on the earth in those days

besides there are pics and information on the net

and if google is your friend maybe you even find pink penises ; )

[D-Day]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by D-DAY (here)

They were here in Sumerian times, about 6,000 years ago, when they arrived on Earth to 'jump-start' the Sumerian civilization which had always puzzled archeologists inasmuch as it seemed to arise out of a much more primitive culture, almost literally overnight.

Just pulling out this bit ... as it is patently not true to anyone who studies archaeology and anthropology. The Sumerian civilisation did not appear from nowhere. The story of man on this Earth can fully documented by the archaeological record for more than 200,000 years and there are no breaks in that record.

There are temples and planned, structured communities discernable right up to the end of the last Ice Age.

Posted by D-DAY (here)
Suddenly, the Sumerians had law, government, education, finance, literature, music, and everything that we would assume as a necessary part of a healthy civilized society.

Again, not true ~ they were the first, along with the Indians, to write down what they were doing. That's all.

As for them being the first with music, I can show you a 40,000 year old flute.

Ishtar, please don't misquote me.
These are Bill's words, not mine.
Just wanted to clarify that.

[Ishtar]

Sorry D-Day, will fix it immediately.

[Ishtar]

RedeZra

Is Google my friend?

We need to understand that we're in an information war and the only safe and effective way forward is to believe only what we can verify.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
RedeZra

Is Google my friend?

We need to understand that we're in an information war and the only safe and effective way forward is to believe only what we can verify.

i agree

but we can't verify what the establishment wants to refute

so if we want truths then we are on our own

against the establishment

[Ishtar]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
RedeZra

Is Google my friend?

We need to understand that we're in an information war and the only safe and effective way forward is to believe only what we can verify.

i agree

but we can't verify what the establishment wants to refute

so if we want truths then we are on our own

against the establishment

Redezra,

My forum, Ishtar's Gate, is now closed. But I used to have many archaeologists on there whose work had been buried/dismissed/scoffed at/ridiculed by the establishment. However, they did at least produce the evidence in the first place for it to then be buried/dismissed/scoffed at/ridiculed ....

If we don't at least produce the evidence in the first place, then we can make up anything we like as we go along and then just say "Oh well, the establishment buried it."

We have to stay open-minded, of course. But not so much that our brains fall out.