Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Ishtar]

BestLion, I agree with you... certainly on the devolution of man, and that our ancestors were much more intelligent and in touch with not just the wider cosmos, but other dimensions too. That was the main point of my setting up my forum, Ishtar's Gate, as a sort of service to the ancestors, to honour their memory for who they were truly were, not who we've been told that they were. This is because I firmly believe that so long as we disrespect our ancestors by considering them to be less intelligent than us, we cannot respect ourselves because we're disrespecting our origins. And that may well have been the purpose of the exercise by the powers that be all along, because certainly it is disempowering to say the least.

By 25,000 or round about, I'm being a bit academic and pernickity about categorisation, because I'm talking about modern homo sapien sapiens and as I explained, he was preceded by many other varieties of 'homos' such as the Neanderthals and homo erectus. I do accept the Adam Calendar dating but a lot don't. However, it could well have been a gathering point for homo erectus or one of the other types of homo, because we have evidence of art appreciation going back at least 75,000 years in the Blombos caves of south Africa. We just don't know yet which type of homo produced it.

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Posted by Ria (here)
To me this thread was not about Christ per say. and going there was taking it off topic. this could make another good thread.
Yes, I have read the thread, and this is an aside, regarding a later period. Further more just as there are multiple faiths views now, the same would of applied back then, and not every thing is bourn out of negativity.

I agree, Ria, and would ask if there is going to be such a discussion as to the historicity of Jesus, could it be started in a new thread, and I'll join in there?

Thanks.

[PHARAOH]

Know Thyself

[BestLion]

This is because I firmly believe that so long as we disrespect our ancestors by considering them to be less intelligent than us, we cannot respect ourselves because we're disrespecting our origins. And that may well have been the purpose of the exercise by the powers that be all along, because certainly it is disempowering to say the least.

I totally agree! We today think we are smarter because we have computers and cars and airplanes, then those of old. But we have lost our way, mankind only takes from the earth and never gives back.Modern man is material..and all he thinks about is materialism or his made up god, if be Jesus or Jehovah. All this is shallow and does not fill up the human soul with answers..always leave the man wanting.
I believe also ancient man used portals to other dimensions. I tend to think many of these megalithic monument were possible portals.
Our arrogance and destruction of this planet will be our downfall. This is why also I DO NOT buy into teh 2012 myth that mankind will reach a more higher spiritual plane...on the contrary..I think mother earth just may soon cleans herself of this disease called modern man. man has taken , but not given. Earth is a living entity....and will soon have enough!

[crested-duck]

Ishtar-thanks for reply. I forgot to mention that I read "Genes,Giants,Monsters and Men" by Joseph P Farrell earlier this year. Have you read this? What do you think about his writings on Anunnaki and their genetic manipulation work. Also read a long time ago about a ancient stone complex used as rocket launch site with burns in the rock, and sand turned into glass from the heat. Not sure, but thinking India/Turkey area. Huge perfectly cut stone structures resembling modern launch sites. Anunnaki Astronaughts????

[Ishtar]

Posted by crested-duck (here)
Ishtar-thanks for reply. I forgot to mention that I read "Genes,Giants,Monsters and Men" by Joseph P Farrell earlier this year. Have you read this? What do you think about his writings on Anunnaki and their genetic manipulation work. Also read a long time ago about a ancient stone complex used as rocket launch site with burns in the rock, and sand turned into glass from the heat. Not sure, but thinking India/Turkey area. Huge perfectly cut stone structures resembling modern launch sites. Anunnaki Astronaughts????

No, I haven't read it. What is his thesis?

As for burns on rocks, these guys invented alchemy as well as metals and other substances which we have not, even now, today, managed to reproduce.

This in fact, was Nassim Haramein's argument for ancient astronauts, in the movie Thrive, that the knowledge must have come from outer space because how could mere man have known how to burn that sacred geometry into a rock in the Osiris temple. That's what I disagree with, because it's a direct result of the Darwinian idea that if everything evolves, intelligence must evolve too. How can that be true when our earliest ancestors at least knew how to live sustainably on the planet in a way that we've yet to achieve? Truth is, imo, 'mere man' was highly evolved in his intelligence and to an extent to which we've lost and haven't yet recovered today.

One of the reasons that the knowledge became lost was because, even before Constantine's destruction of the Mystery groves and the Library of Alexandria, there was a natural disaster which set the world back hundreds of years, and that was the earthquake at Santorini. It almost brought the civilised world back to the Stone Age again, so huge was its influence. We got a taste of what havoc volcanoes can wreak when that unpronouncable one in Iceland erupted last year and which had the effect of grounding all our planes. Santorini was even bigger than that, and it took hundreds of years for the knowledge to be reconstructed and restored, and lots of alchemy was lost for forever.

[MMA_Fan]

Great thread Ishtar, thanks for creating it. :D

Disagree on the Jesus stuff though - too many references outside the NT along with good historical sources describing him in historical terms. Add that with the persecution of christians and the conclusion of many scholars that he existed is too compelling to dismiss: Historicity of Jesus

As for Sitchin himself - I don't know what his motives were but as you pointed out his 'findings' do seem to be outright lies.

For those who haven't visited this site it does a good deconstruction of Sitchen's theories: sitchiniswrong

[Ria]

Given the many different influences that the Anunnaki have taken on. we need to create distinctions.
For ex-sample the reptilians have infused and hidden them selves into the general populous. References in the Vadic wars, snakes, dragons, serpents etc. Have you your self or other colleagues. found any supporting evidence?
Anu from your perspective are the good guys.
South America ,Turkey, India all over there are stories of Giants even inner earth. Currently in the Solomon Islands they have giants living in there interiors is completely accepted by the indigenous people and there prime minister. This apparently a true story about an eight foot
phema[leg bone] bone holding up tent in one of the villages. I am having an attempt at sorting out who has what hat.

[Ishtar]

Posted by MMA_Fan (here)
Great thread Ishtar, thanks for creating it. :D

Disagree on the Jesus stuff though - too many references outside the NT along with good historical sources describing him in historical terms. Add that with the persecution of christians and the conclusion of many scholars that he existed is too compelling to dismiss: Historicity of Jesus

As for Sitchin himself - I don't know what his motives were but as you pointed out his 'findings' do seem to be outright lies.

For those who haven't visited this site it does a good deconstruction of Sitchen's theories: sitchiniswrong

I'm glad you're enjoying the thread, MMA_Fan and thanks for the stuff on Sitchin.

As mentioned before, I'd like to keep the historicity of Jesus out of this thread because I know from experience, having rehearsed this discussion many times before, that it will take us waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy off topic.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Ria (here)
Given the many different influences that the Anunnaki have taken on. we need to create distinctions.
For ex-sample the reptilians have infused and hidden them selves into the general populous. References in the Vadic wars, snakes, dragons, serpents etc. Have you your self or other colleagues. found any supporting evidence?
Anu from your perspective are the good guys.
South America ,Turkey, India all over there are stories of Giants even inner earth. Currently in the Solomon Islands they have giants living in there interiors is completely accepted by the indigenous people and there prime minister. This apparently a true story about an eight foot
phema[leg bone] bone holding up tent in one of the villages. I am having an attempt at sorting out who has what hat.

I don't have any experience of reptilians and so I leave that to others. There may be some confusion with the Serpent Cults of the Neolithic, but the serpent represented wisdom and also rebirth, because it sheds its skin. There were Nagas or Serpent teachers but they weren't actually serpents, reptiles or lizards. They were a worldwide network of wisdom teachers.

All the spirits I work with ~ from Ishtar herself, to the Anunakki and the Fae, want one thing and one thing only. They want man to realise who he is. They want the evolution of the consciousness of man to take place so that he or she goes beyond intellectual ideas about Oneness, but actually experiences that Oneness. Shamanism is a very experiential path. Sometimes when I ask my spirits a question, they don't give me a neat pat answer for my left hand brain. They show me the answer by leading me through an experience of it, because in experiencing it, I become and own it.

The ultimate truth is that we are all One, that this universe is made up by a self-organising principle known to the Sumerians and ancient Indians as Anu, and it takes the form of the double vortex as described in the opening post. It is not just matter and it not just an intellectual idea. It is energy and it is made up of love, unconditional love of Spirit. And when we become that unconditional love, we have realised our true nature and our true purpose.

[Ria]

I am aware of the world wide wisdom teachers and there traveling while ministering to the sick etc
Anu and what is the current perception of the Anunnaki are two compleatly diffrent things, the name has been highjacked

[Lisab]

Yes your right Ishtar ultimately were all one and that's all that matters. The Annunaki story is over, their all in process now along with even the likes of Kryon. They've all left the building. Any channelings now are re- runs., seriously go check. X

[MMA_Fan]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Ria (here)
I am aware of the world wide wisdom teachers and there traveling while ministering to the sick etc
Anu and what is the current perception of the Anunnaki are two compleatly different things, the name has been hijacked

Yes, and that is exactly my purpose in starting this thread, to explain how I think that is the case and also how I think it came about.

What of the lower initiates that began the trouble? Do you think that this is the 'illuminati' of today and are they the very same folk who have lived that long or is it an ideology that has been passed down through faux mystery teachings to a certain group of controllers?

[Ishtar]

In a nutshell, I don't think that anything going wrong on Earth is being caused by any entities more evil than man. The powers-that-be are putting around stories so that we go running scared about the bogey man. However, the bogey man doesn't exist. Men doing evil actions do exist, and they act this way because they're ignorant of their true nature and their place in the cosmos, and so they act from a place of fear. In working with the spirits, like the Anunnaki, we can rise above that level of existence and just deal in unconditional love. It is actually a frequency that I'm talking about ... whereas the powers-that-be can only impact on us from the lower level frequency that they're on. But if we're not there, they can't touch us.

To describe what I mean, I'd like to talk about my favourite episode of South Park. It may seem completely off-beam at first, but please bear with me because I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of South Park, have got this whole Anu thing down pat, although they don't use the word Anu.

Maybe you've seen it? Here's how it goes ...

Every New Year’s Eve, the residents of South Park would have Rod Stewart come sing to them at their local concert hall. This Rod Stewart concert used to happen every single New Year, and as time went on, Rod Steward got older and older and in the end was having to climb the stairs to the stage with the aid of a walking stick.

Anyway, the people of South Park one New Year’s decided that they fed up with always having to have Rod Stewart and that they wanted someone else. They got into a discussion about who it should be and then one of them said: “Well, I’d like to see God,” and then everyone piled in “Yeah, so would I.” “Why can’t we have God come to us at New Year? Why does it always have to be Rod Stewart?” and “Yeah, I’m sick and tired of having to hear all my life about this God, and never seeing him. So it’s about time! Book God for next New Year’s concert." but it was said from a place of "I deserve it" and there wasn't much love or joy in the demand.

Anyway, lo and behold, and goodness knows how, the booking agent does somehow manage to get God for the next New year concert. And everyone turns up really excited to see this God bloke… and so the compere announces “Please give a warm round of applause for ….God!”, and what should come on to the stage but a quite ugly animal with buck teeth and a blue face.



Everyone was struck dumb and then this blue-faced animal started talking in a not very interesting or engaging way and in fact, he sounded quite irritated to be there at all. So finally, someone plucked up the courage to say: “But we thought was God was all-powerful and would come down surrounded by choirs of heavenly angels and would create miracles and be loving…” and God replied,

“I know. That’s just the stories you’ve been told because they had to tell you something. But the truth is, I can only exist in this dimension in this form because in reality, I live in the 5th dimension and so you need to get there to see my true form, which is a lot less disappointing there, I promise you. However, you are in a low state of consciousness which makes you act selfishly and unkindly towards one another, and so you’re not yet able to reach that dimension to see me in my true form.”

I’m paraphrasing from memory because I obviously don’t have the script in front of me …

But anyway, the townspeople were so offended by this irritated ugly blue-faced animal telling them what was wrong with them, that they booed God off the stage and demanded that Rod Stewart come back. I think the last scene is Rod Stewart arriving … in a bath chair.

So this is a bit what it’s like saying to people that the Anu is god, and I was so amazed that Parker and Stone had got it and also had managed to convey it in such an entertaining way.

[MMA_Fan]

I've not seen that particular episode but I have found Southpark to contain a lot of profound messages wrapped in humour. The one that springs to mind is when Obama and McCain are really on the same team working to steal the Hope diamond.

I happen to agree with you about the pantomime villain's being human: "Man's inhumanity to man" and all that. I think 'they' are just gangsters and 'we' are just allowing it to happen (at least we were but the change is in the air).

Thanks for the reply.

[Lisab]

Ishtar i love catching up on south park with my son. Il have to check that one out. A few of their episodes have a profound effect on me too. Alot of people say Americans don't get irony, I beg to differ. South park rocks IMO

[sandy]

Hi Everyone,

Ishtar thank you for sharing your long studied works and journey with us here at Avalon. Thank you also for your fairness in dealing with those who appear to lack the ability as of yet to allow one their insights, experiences and ways of communicating

Overall a great thread full of information for one to discern from within and utilize if purposeful to one's soul, leaving the battle of the ego to a lesser energy or purpose.

[DawnOfANewEra]

Posted by 777 (here)
Very eloquently delivered theory Ishtar. The advanced knowledge of pyramids and vortices matches very much with visions I have during guided meditations. Visualy Earth appears like a small particle vibrating slightly sending waves in the patterns you've described. I can only collate my own experience with that of your thesis, I'm not saying mine carries validity.

Great thread too. It's important to wash away the disinfo.

Thank you for sharing this, it corroborates a vision I recently had, too. I have not had much success with meditation until recently - I think my mind was too cluttered before. A few weeks ago I had an intense urge to meditate and doing so, I felt energy welling up inside me while at the same time my eyelids fluttered as if in a REM cycle. Then my eyelids relaxed and I saw the energy uncurl like a snake inside me that then turned into the figure of a statuesque woman who spread her arms upward. Then the form turned into a rainbow with lightning striking down it, seemingly coming out of the top of a Mayan or Incan temple. On each step of the temple lay piles of fruit. That was my first experience with a real vision while in a meditative state and I am excited to continue to see the truth!

[ThePythonicCow]

I just moved some 44 posts that were made to this thread in the last day or two to a separate thread Anunnaki, Jesus and NLP (split from another thread), for reasons stated in Post #45 on that thread.

[Ria]

Thank-you Paul, I hope now we can precede with this topic with out undue nonsense

[Ishtar]

Yes, thank you so much, Paul. I really appreciate the tidying up exercise and the opportunity now to get back to the business in hand.

I’m going out shortly and won’t be back until later this evening, but I would just like to underline one point and introduce a new idea which mitigates against the … well, let’s call it ‘gods on rockets’ theory.

One of the main planks of the gods on rockets theory is that Babylon sprang from nowhere. Out of the blue, they claim, appeared an advanced civilisation with law, town planning and an appreciation of the arts and music. So how could ignorant, stumbling and savage homo sapiens have created such wonders, they ask? Surely they must have had outside help ~ from outer space.

But this is complete fallacy. There is an unbroken archaeological record of what are known as Temple Cities (I’ll explain why in a minute) stretching back from Sumer (3,000 BCE) and Harrappa in India (3,000 BCE) to the end of the Ice Age around 10,000 BCE. Please check out Gobekli Tepe (about 10,000 BCE) Catal Hoyuk (7500 BCE to 5700 BCE) Mehrgarh (7,000 to 2,500 BCE) to name but a few.

Added to that, there is evidence of organised communities with laws and town planning dating as far back as 30,000 to 40,000 years ago in Germany, and to show their appreciation of the finer things of life like music, there is a 40,000 year old flute ~ and of course, not forgetting the amazing cave art in Lascaux and Chauvet in France dated from 25,000 – 35,000 BCE. If you haven’t seen it, please do check it out, because it’s mind blowing.



So that’s just to dispel the myth that our ancestors were ignorant, grunting, crotch-scratching cave men until the Sumerians showed up.

The new point I’d like to introduce is why the Neolithic cities mentioned above were called Temple Cities. It may not seem relevant at first, but please bear with me and we’ll get there.

They were called Temple Cities because the temple was built first, and the township community grew up around the temple. This is an important distinction with how towns are planned nowadays, where temples and churches are added on later. In Neolithic times, the most important building was the temple, and this is highly indicative of how our ancestors thought compared to how we think today. God/Anu came first and was given priority in every situation.

Let me give you an example, because we can see more evidence of this thinking in the Indian caste system from the Vedas. It was organised like this:

1. Brahmins (Rishis/Shamans/Priests)
2. Kshatriyas (Kings/warriors)
3. Vaishyas (Merchants)
4. Shudras (Artisans, workers)
5. Untouchables (everyone else)

Now this is not in support of the caste system but just to show it to illustrate a point, and that point is that in the days of Sumer/Babylon, God/Anu/Spirit came first, even above kings and other assorted aristocracy who were in the second, warrior caste and third came the merchants.

But it is the merchants that control society today ~ the caste that was three rungs down the ladder in the days of Sumer, Babylon and Harrappa. It is the huge global trading conglomerates supported by merchant banking (Goldman Sachs, J P Morgan) and foundations and trusts owned by the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Morgans et al that is dictating the narrative, via education and the media, to give us a view of reality through their eyes and values, and in some cases, rewriting history from the merchants' viewpoint, which is to support the making of money and trade. That’s all they’re interested in. And if you do have a more spiritual viewpoint, you are ridiculed by this system, or ignored. And another way to marginalise people who are more inclined to the spiritual way of life is to take their back story away and the true story about their ancestors by foisting on them first a religion that masks the true identity of God and another religion (science based on false premises like Darwinism) that disputes the existence of God.

“Gods on rockets” falls neatly into this back story of the merchants because it fulfills the need of playing down the abilities and intelligence of our ancestors, and also gives them the opportunity to remake the benevolent spirits, like the Anunnaki, into evil “gods on rockets”, aka the bogey man. And the reason they do this, I imagine, is because it ratchets up the fear quotient immeasurably, and which they seem to be very keen on doing these days.

So that’s the point I wanted to make … and sorry it took me so long to get there!