Anunnaki, Jesus and NLP (split from another thread)

[Ishtar]

9eagle9, reading this has just made me cry. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes and a great weight of sadness in my heart, because of the anger I can feel coming out of your post towards me. I feel so sorry that I've offended anyone. It certainly wasn't my intention, and I certainly don't know how to use NLP ~ my writing is very instinctive.

I feel very sad that you and US feel the need to vilify my reputation publicly and with so much anger and hostility. You have been told now by two NLP experts that I'm not using NLP, but still you rage on.

Journalists do write stories. They even refer to an article that they're writing as a 'story'. If they just wrote the dry facts, nobody would want to read them. I have been writing in that way for more than 30 years. I was trained to write engagingly in that way. If I was writing a PhD paper, it would be different, but no-one else writes on this forum giving just the bare facts, and so why should I?

Nowadays, I find it useful to continue to that write that way on forums because it helps people to understand some very dense and complex information more easily.

My sole aim with the thread An examination of the Anunnaki and Planet Nibiru has been to help people understand the Anunnaki were being presented in a way to scare them, so that they could stop being scared and start to engage with a truer narrative about their ancestors. That was my sole aim. I am nothing to do with Ascensionists. I don't believe in what they do.

I'm very upset and feel so hurt that my efforts have been received in this way to cause so much anger when the very opposite was my aim.

There is a huge school of thought that believes as I do, that Jesus was a mythical sun god, and so I'm not presenting a new or shocking idea and it is well substantiated by a large body of work which I have studied. And so you may not agree with my views, but they were reached honestly and after much consideration. I don't understand why that has caused now TWO threads to be opened in which I'm being attacked for being manipulative, deceitful and unethical (which is the sub-text of saying that I'm using NLP) just because I hold a different view and can write engagingly about it.

If there was a thread on here where someone was writing engagingly about how Jesus was real and died on the cross for our sins, I wouldn't agree but I would just stay out of the thread, and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to start vindictive threads with sole aim of vilifying the reputation of one single poster who I happened to disagree with. It makes me wonder why you and US feel the need to do this.

I actually feel sick now, and my hands are shaking, so I'll go now.

Once again, I'm sorry if I have offended. My only aim was to help.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I find it very offensive in many ways how some are allowed to start threads, use inflammatory rhetoric and technipues designed to manipulate and when challenged to back up what they say with facts that person is the one ostracized and told to take it elsewhere. So we shall have our own threads and people can bounce back and forth.

Members are allowed to start and shepherd threads with views that some other members will find outrageous.

Since none of us has a monopoly on the real truth, this is about the best we can do. The forum strives to be the fertile ground in which a variety of plants can grow. Some plants will find others to be weeds. C'est la vie.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I find it very offensive in many ways how some are allowed to start threads, use inflammatory rhetoric and technipues designed to manipulate and when challenged to back up what they say with facts that person is the one ostracized and told to take it elsewhere. So we shall have our own threads and people can bounce back and forth.

Members are allowed to start and shepherd threads with views that some other members will find outrageous.

Since none of us have a monopoly on the real truth, this is about the best we can do. The forum strives to be the fertile ground in which a variety of plants can grow. Some plants will find others to be weeds. C'est la vie.

This is very true, and I respect that. Thank you Paul.

[Unified Serenity]

Please refer to this post in this thread to see the facts about the historical evidence of Jesus living, and the lies about the prior Messiah stories... it is highly revealing

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post392177

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hgX6w4U-2o

[mojo]

The split in the thread to include Jesus in with original Anunnaki post is appreciated. Allowing me to ask a spiritually related question without I hope offending anyone. I'm not sure if there are any passages written that Jesus references other life in the universe which might include the Annunnaki. I know the Old Testament has references to UFO's and giants. I would like to hear someones viewpoints from the New Testament. I think many pastors of churches have a difficult time and immediately turn the idea of UFO's and Anunnaki into demonic only. I'm not saying there aren't negative forces like this, just not all. In a way I can understand why a Pastor would feel this way because the path to salvation does not include belief in this subject Thanks
mojo

[9eagle9]

So...There's your wound. Walk your talk and blow it. Because I'm not so easily manipulated by feelings. Be the healer you claim to be and use this reaction to heal yourself.

You are feeling your anger, because you feel yoru belief system is failing you. We only feel our own emotions. Why should I be angry. You're beleif system isn't failing me. Thats why I put them in their proper place--they fail people.

I'm not responsible for your wounds. IOr your beliefs. 've never contributed to them, I didn't impose them on you . We are given this life to manage, and it's ours to manage. Manage ourselves. Not each other. If we were all standing in our own power and wisdom there would be no need of managing.

And this inability to reframe from your story, to the point of emotional distress, pretty much emphasizes that beleif systems don't serve us. We know the past doesn't serve us because as we can tell it can be rewritten at any time. If can break down a belief that easily.... chances are its not that dependable in the first place.

You're not breaking down Ishtar, your belief is. Its not good for you. Who you really are is what is good to you.

This is when Spirit amplifies crap for us to REALLY see it. So see it or deny it. To find out how much self mastery you've really intiated for yourself before you start imposing it on others.

I'm not taking responsbility for it because I'm not the manager of your life. You are. No more than my emotional reactions are the fault of others. My reaction mechanisms were in place before anyone else here in this ever came along to push my buttons.

Spiritual masters don't roam the hallways wringing their hands and weeping unless they are attempting a equal emotional response in others. And that is manipulative. And while I commiserate with you as these sorts of challenges ambush everyone on their spirtual path...I could not be in my higher expression by responding to very base emo reaction as opposed to a response. If your beief serves you it would support you,not leave you out in the wind crying.

We are not our feelings. We are not our mind. Be the person that you claim you are behind all those emo mechanisms and you'd not be crying right now. Be the fruits of your labor and they will express through you. Now you have people that will self identify with you and they will get all in a emo state too, and that's how conflict is created.

One of first emotional healing processes is that no one can push your buttons unless you have a unhealed wound or button to be pushed. Our beliefs systems, our stories crumble . If what you are imparting about yourself and your story is real there is NOTHING i could say to break it.

No one ever argues about wisdom or truth, we get in conflicts over stories and beliefs. We are dividing ourselves over fictions because the story becomes realer than what we really are. Who you really are doesn't cry over the loss of stories. It grows in inner truth and self expression.

Spiritual mastery is self mastery. It's not abscense of feelings its detachment from our feelings because our feelings are not who we really are. Many of our feelings as we know were imposed on us long before we can consciously recall them.

Posted by Ishtar (here)
9eagle9, reading this has just made me cry. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes and a great weight of sadness in my heart, because of the anger I can feel coming out of your post towards me. I feel so sorry that I've offended anyone. It certainly wasn't my intention, and I certainly don't know how to use NLP ~ my writing is very instinctive.

I feel very sad that you and US feel the need to vilify my reputation publicly and with so much anger and hostility. You have been told now by two NLP experts that I'm not using NLP, but still you rage on.

Journalists do write stories. They even refer to an article that they're writing as a 'story'. If they just wrote the dry facts, nobody would want to read them. I have been writing in that way for more than 30 years. I was trained to write engagingly in that way. If I was writing a PhD paper, it would be different, but no-one else writes on this forum giving just the bare facts, and so why should I?

Nowadays, I find it useful to continue to that write that way on forums because it helps people to understand some very dense and complex information more easily.

My sole aim with the thread An examination of the Anunnaki and Planet Nibiru has been to help people understand the Anunnaki were being presented in a way to scare them, so that they could stop being scared and start to engage with a truer narrative about their ancestors. That was my sole aim. I am nothing to do with Ascensionists. I don't believe in what they do.

I'm very upset and feel so hurt that my efforts have been received in this way to cause so much anger when the very opposite was my aim.

There is a huge school of thought that believes as I do, that Jesus was a mythical sun god, and so I'm not presenting a new or shocking idea and it is well substantiated by a large body of work which I have studied. And so you may not agree with my views, but they were reached honestly and after much consideration. I don't understand why that has caused now TWO threads to be opened in which I'm being attacked for being manipulative, deceitful and unethical (which is the sub-text of saying that I'm using NLP) just because I hold a different view and can write engagingly about it.

If there was a thread on here where someone was writing engagingly about how Jesus was real and died on the cross for our sins, I wouldn't agree but I would just stay out of the thread, and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to start vindictive threads with sole aim of vilifying the reputation of one single poster who I happened to disagree with. It makes me wonder why you and US feel the need to do this.

I actually feel sick now, and my hands are shaking, so I'll go now.

Once again, I'm sorry if I have offended. My only aim was to help.

[Unified Serenity]

Amen and thank you 9eagle9. This is truth in it's purest form for me. This is why I am here. I am going to look within, see my own wounds and reasons why certain buttons are pushed. I have identified two of them. They are mine, and I am the one who has to deal with them.

I am not a man, but I have often heard men in dismay who though in the right are hung out to dry because they "made her cry". This is not in reference to anyone here, this is something I am beginning to understand. What can he do then? The points he was trying to address, the issue at hand all of it is mute then because "she" pulled the crying card! He knows he's now the bad guy. It's not about her spending $2000.00 on a purse when they needed to fix the car and that was all they had and now how is he going to get to work dependably? It's about the fact that she is crying and he's the bad guy. I see red. I am pissed. Why? What button has this analogy pushed in me? I see this sort of thing played out on this forum, in alternative media, whatever. Take Jimmy Swaggert caught with a hooker. His fault, his sin, he goes on a crying spree. Now, we all identify with our own wounds of doing wrong and getting caught. We want to be forgiven and not abandoned by our friends and careers ruined.

I see red.

I am mad and hurt because of the bullsh!t and not owning up to simple facts and taking our medicine. I am defensive too often. I do get aggressive too often. I have my gentle side some have seen here. In the arena of ideas I am not gentle, but stick to facts. I react to the emotion card strongly. I feel manipulated. There's that other button. Why does it piss me off to feel manipulated?

I need to examine this more fully. Thank you 9eagle9. Self work sucks, but it's the most enlightening and healing. Mods forgive me for my words which may have stung. i was not referring to your sh!t covered boots by the way, but by those I feel who are here enjoying the game of manipulation and getting their way to have threads split, not defend their words, and other issues. It was not the best choice of words, but I tend to speak colorfully in word pictures when my buttons are pushed. So, please forgive me if you felt attacked. That was not my intent.

Serenity

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
So...There's your wound. Walk your talk and blow it. Because I'm not so easily manipulated by feelings. Be the healer you claim to be and use this reaction to heal yourself.

You are feeling your anger, because you feel yoru belief system is failing you. We only feel our own emotions. Why should I be angry. You're beleif system isn't failing me. Thats why I put them in their proper place--they fail people.

I'm not responsible for your wounds. IOr your beliefs. 've never contributed to them, I didn't impose them on you . We are given this life to manage, and it's ours to manage. Manage ourselves. Not each other. If we were all standing in our own power and wisdom there would be no need of managing.

And this inability to reframe from your story, to the point of emotional distress, pretty much emphasizes that beleif systems don't serve us. We know the past doesn't serve us because as we can tell it can be rewritten at any time. If can break down a belief that easily.... chances are its not that dependable in the first place.

You're not breaking down Ishtar, your belief is. Its not good for you. Who you really are is what is good to you.

This is when Spirit amplifies crap for us to REALLY see it. So see it or deny it. To find out how much self mastery you've really intiated for yourself before you start imposing it on others.

I'm not taking responsbility for it because I'm not the manager of your life. You are. No more than my emotional reactions are the fault of others. My reaction mechanisms were in place before anyone else here in this ever came along to push my buttons.

Spiritual masters don't roam the hallways wringing their hands and weeping unless they are attempting a equal emotional response in others. And that is manipulative. And while I commiserate with you as these sorts of challenges ambush everyone on their spirtual path...I could not be in my higher expression by responding to very base emo reaction as opposed to a response. If your beief serves you it would support you,not leave you out in the wind crying.

We are not our feelings. We are not our mind. Be the person that you claim you are behind all those emo mechanisms and you'd not be crying right now. Be the fruits of your labor and they will express through you. Now you have people that will self identify with you and they will get all in a emo state too, and that's how conflict is created.

One of first emotional healing processes is that no one can push your buttons unless you have a unhealed wound or button to be pushed. Our beliefs systems, our stories crumble . If what you are imparting about yourself and your story is real there is NOTHING i could say to break it.

No one ever argues about wisdom or truth, we get in conflicts over stories and beliefs. We are dividing ourselves over fictions because the story becomes realer than what we really are. Who you really are doesn't cry over the loss of stories. It grows in inner truth and self expression.

Spiritual mastery is self mastery. It's not abscense of feelings its detachment from our feelings because our feelings are not who we really are. Many of our feelings as we know were imposed on us long before we can consciously recall them.

Posted by Ishtar (here)
9eagle9, reading this has just made me cry. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes and a great weight of sadness in my heart, because of the anger I can feel coming out of your post towards me. I feel so sorry that I've offended anyone. It certainly wasn't my intention, and I certainly don't know how to use NLP ~ my writing is very instinctive.

I feel very sad that you and US feel the need to vilify my reputation publicly and with so much anger and hostility. You have been told now by two NLP experts that I'm not using NLP, but still you rage on.

Journalists do write stories. They even refer to an article that they're writing as a 'story'. If they just wrote the dry facts, nobody would want to read them. I have been writing in that way for more than 30 years. I was trained to write engagingly in that way. If I was writing a PhD paper, it would be different, but no-one else writes on this forum giving just the bare facts, and so why should I?

Nowadays, I find it useful to continue to that write that way on forums because it helps people to understand some very dense and complex information more easily.

My sole aim with the thread An examination of the Anunnaki and Planet Nibiru has been to help people understand the Anunnaki were being presented in a way to scare them, so that they could stop being scared and start to engage with a truer narrative about their ancestors. That was my sole aim. I am nothing to do with Ascensionists. I don't believe in what they do.

I'm very upset and feel so hurt that my efforts have been received in this way to cause so much anger when the very opposite was my aim.

There is a huge school of thought that believes as I do, that Jesus was a mythical sun god, and so I'm not presenting a new or shocking idea and it is well substantiated by a large body of work which I have studied. And so you may not agree with my views, but they were reached honestly and after much consideration. I don't understand why that has caused now TWO threads to be opened in which I'm being attacked for being manipulative, deceitful and unethical (which is the sub-text of saying that I'm using NLP) just because I hold a different view and can write engagingly about it.

If there was a thread on here where someone was writing engagingly about how Jesus was real and died on the cross for our sins, I wouldn't agree but I would just stay out of the thread, and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to start vindictive threads with sole aim of vilifying the reputation of one single poster who I happened to disagree with. It makes me wonder why you and US feel the need to do this.

I actually feel sick now, and my hands are shaking, so I'll go now.

Once again, I'm sorry if I have offended. My only aim was to help.

[Kristin]

Ishtar,
I would suggest a little academic reading, Elaine Pagles comes to mind. Jesus existed in the flesh. There is a vast amount of evidence supporting this. I've looked into the debunking sites on ZS and I would call them less then academic. Yes, there are predated cultures that were in existence before the Sumarians. True. But this does not in itself Debunk anyone. True also that many religions are the reflection of the same story. ZS has also spoken on this topic as have many others. But that does not mean that the man "Jesus" historically did not exist. The statement that the Annunaki are a peaceful enlightened race that can only be contacted through the religion of LOVE is a dangerous one. We do not know the intentions of any given race of beings. I do not know what the intentions of Alien lifeforms are, I would not pretend to know. I like the conversation, but thus far I haven't read anything that leads to credibility on your theory. I think it is wise and good to question EVERYTHING, and for that I thank you.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[gripreaper]

Read "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" by Claire Heartsong to find out the true story of when Yeshua walked the planet, straight from the eyes of she who was there. This book is in the top 5 books I've read in my entire life, and I've read thousands of books, and I highly recommend this book.

http://lightrivermedia.com/

Then, let's open a new thread.

[CdnSirian]

I got lost with the whole split thread aspect here - and I need to read this whole thread through again. So, quick reply. The book "The Hiram Key' claims to present proof of Jesus as an actual living person. Wish I knew. There are no "bare facts" it seems, about the life of Jesus, or the reality of the Anunnaki. There are simply no bare facts.

The Jesus message (Peace on earth, the brotherhood of Man), is cool by me, whether he lived or not. Or whether or not his story is a re-write of the Sun God story (I have heard the Jordan Maxwell version), ...how do we know. No bare facts.

Wade Frazier points out in his threads and voluminous web site, that most science is theory - no facts - no one has yet seen a wave or a particle converting to the other, but they see the conversions.

I am not a journalist nor a (as of yet) published author. I am a writer. My personal experience is that journalists are taught to write in a NLP style fashion, to manipulate, to really condescend to their readers. That does not mean that they consciously do this or are cynical about the human race. But the "everybody knows" or "most people think" or "the few who fell for this" type of phrasing is ubiquitous in journalism. Hey, everyone has an editor to please.

If we are to believe that the media, that Hollywood, is there to manipulate us, what writer is exempt? See what I mean? If I cannot write a screenplay and deal with the violence, sex (porn, not real sex), manipulation, and over-sexualizing of children, why should I expect to sell it? Yeah, depressing.

I hate to see 2 writers like US and Ishtar get into a firefight over this. Or get into over-apologizing, though 9eagle9 (is she a helicopter pilot?) makes good points.

I would like to emulate some of the qualities I see in those 3 writers--posters. I see manipulation everywhere. So I am thinking that although I feel it very much on this kind of thread, doesn't mean it's coming directly from the posters. Is that too out-there? Am I still just in my bubble?

Are we just bubbles floating around bouncing off each other? (no I am not on anything). I take you all seriously and thoughtfully. And a couple of channelers too, just to disclose.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Read "Anna, Grandmother of Jesus" by Claire Heartsong to find out the true story of when Yeshua walked the planet, straight from the eyes of she who was there. This book is in the top 5 books I've read in my entire life, and I've read thousands of books, and I highly recommend this book.

http://lightrivermedia.com/

Then, let's open a new thread.

Thanks for posting this as everyone's experiences are important to me especially if they have something they can explain and give proofs to. I just read on the story of how this book came about and I have to say, I highly suspect anything given in some spirit revelation. So, what made this book so important for you? Did it share anything proven factual that could be verified? From the website it says:

"One day while in meditation in the late 1980’s Anna (also known at St. Anne), appeared to Claire and said that no one knew her story. She asked Claire if she would be willing to write the story of her life as Anna.

It took Claire ten years to finally be ready to fulfill that request. This is the remarkable book that emerged out of that promise to be the conduit for Anna sharing about her life and experiences.







Through

Anna, Grandmother of Jesus

You’ll...





Ÿ

Meet Anna, the extraordinary woman who birthed a Spiritual Lineage that changed the world!

[Where in the bible does it give Miriam's mother's name? Anne is a church tradition, but is there factual proof?]


Ÿ

Learn of her use of cellular rejuvenation to achieve remarkable life span of more than 600 years.

[Did you learn how to do this rejuvenation? Have you seen visible proof of it's working? I have a leg that needs some rejuvenation after I almost lost it in 2000 in a car accident.]


Ÿ

Discover missing pieces of history concerning whom she, Mary and Jesus really were, what they did and the unknown places they went

[This is a hotly debated and unproven issue about where Jesus spent his "lost" years. Does the book provide proof or is it this spirit's tale only?]


Ÿ

Understand the important role of the Essenes at Mount Carmel in supporting the holy family and the other crucial participants in the Christ drama

[I study the Essene community and they lived a very different lifestyle than the one Jesus taught in the bible. I like aspects of the Essenes, but the dead sea scrolls definitely do not talk about Jesus or his family as far as my studies go. What proof does this book give for this incredible claim?]

Ÿ

Witness the challenging and demanding initiations required of Anna, Mary, Jesus and the disciples to complete the crucifixion, resurrection & ascension

[This is highly unbiblical. There is no initiation. There is Belief, confession, and Mikvah, that's it, there is no mystery. Again, proof of these claims please?]


Ÿ

Be opened to the activations and messages that bring the feminine principle into your daily spiritual life completing your “path of initiation” begun long ago

[So, is this the crux of the book to be open to some new path of initiation into some new feminine Goddess path on the skirts of Messiah's life?]

My questions are sincere. I believe this book means a lot to you. Please help me understand why and if it offers proofs before I shell out $18.oo if it's all just channelled information that must be taken on faith.

Thanks for the help.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Wormhole (here)
Ishtar, you also claim to be the reincarnation of "Ishtar" herself. Interesting.

I have never claimed to be an incarnation of Ishtar and I am not an incarnation of Ishtar.

I am tired of these unfounded lies about me and baseless personal attacks on my integrity and reputation.

Whatever religion you are in, I would never want to join.

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Unified Serenity,

What you've just mounted is called an ad hominem attack because you're attacking me, not the argument, by making unsupported accusations about the motives behind the narrative I've provided which imply I'm trying somehow to deceive or just making it all up, whereas I've come to my views honestly through decades of long hard study.

I don't want to take this thread off course by discussing the historicity of Jesus, but I'm satisfied that he never existed as a real historical character through research and discovering there is no evidence for his life, and also by contacting him as a spirit. For that reason, I am entitled to come to a different view without being considered evil or having been manipulated into my views by an evil regime, and so your accusations are without foundation and, in fact, unjust and unfair.

I don't see an attack here Ishtar. Just an ongoing discussion.

[Ishtar]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)

I don't see an attack here Ishtar. Just an ongoing discussion.

The subtext of the accusation that deliberately using NLP and other under-the-table tactics to persuade people is that I must be manipulative, deceitful and I was at one point in that thread called evil, or at least aligned with an evil regime. I call that a personal attack.

Since then, it's got worse.

There are now two threads on this forum that are all about me and how awful I am.

The thread purporting to be an objective report about NLP and forums is actually all about me. Even when the NLP expert came on to explain to Unified Serenity how I'm not using NLP, she still insisted on repeating all her claims about me in her OP and insisting that they were wrong, even though they were an NLP professional.

This thread we're in now is pretty much now all about me.

I'm being accused of things I've never done, either here or anywhere, like saying I'm a reincarnation of the goddess Ishtar.

I've got 9eagle9 and Unified Serenity giving me a good kicking, in this thread.

How is none of this not a personal attack?

It's OK, you don't have to answer. It was a rhetorical question. I know I'm under personal attack. I just don't understand why. And please don't answer that unless you've got something kind to say, because I can't really take much more of this beating.

[Kristin]

Hey there fellow Canadian Sirian,

"The Jesus message (Peace on earth, the brotherhood of Man), is cool by me, whether he lived or not. Or whether or not his story is a re-write of the Sun God story (I have heard the Jordan Maxwell version), ...how do we know. No bare facts." - CS

You made great points. The historical documentation on Jesus having been alive is the same in comparison to say Cleopatra, for instance. Much was written about him by others about his life. This is supportive evidence to be sure and not hard evidence as Jesus apparently didn't write about himself. Cleopatra also didn't write about herself, yet through historical documents her presence on the planet is known. The earliest writing found to date are about 30-40 years after his death, via carbon dating from the Nag Hammadi artifacts. Many scholars reflected that Poncius Pilate may not have even existed... until in 1961 when the "Pilate Stone" was discovered verifying his existence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

Ishtar,
I was quoting you, but I may have been in error. I'll try to find the post to present. However, If I am in error, I'm sorry and have no issue admitting it.
Worm

[gripreaper]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
So, what made this book so important for you? Did it share anything proven factual that could be verified

This book, juxtaposed through the lens of empiricism and the left brain of the polarized patriarch, will not resonate. One of the edicts of this paradigm is that time is linear and that reality is viewed sequentially and can be verified through the five senses, and is relative to the 92 elements in the periodic chart, as solid, with the ability to either combine them, or change them.

In the photonic quantum field energetic matrix of all that is, time is spherical and all energy resides within that matrix in the present moment, and reality is malleable as light packets oscillating between two polarities, at different velocity, which causes animation and matter to appear.

So yes, Claire has tapped into this energy and "channeled" Anna, and the energy is "encoded" to touch each individual who reads it right where they are. I've read this book at least six times, and each time, it touched me differently based on my own awakening.

So, if you are looking for empirical proof, this book is not for you. If you can filter this book through your own energy field, specifically your heart chakra, with a mind that has both hemispheres in balance, then it may resonate with you. It did for me.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by CdnSirian (here)

I don't see an attack here Ishtar. Just an ongoing discussion.

The subtext of the accusation that deliberately using NLP and other under-the-table tactics to persuade people is that I must be manipulative, deceitful and I was at one point in that thread called evil, or at least aligned with an evil regime. I call that a personal attack.

Since then, it's got worse.

There are now two threads on this forum that are all about me and how awful I am.

The thread purporting to be an objective report about NLP and forums is actually all about me. Even when the NLP expert came on to explain to Unified Serenity how I'm not using NLP, she still insisted on repeating all her claims about me in her OP and insisting that they were wrong, even though they were an NLP professional.

This thread we're in now is pretty much now all about me.

I'm being accused of things I've never done, either here or anywhere, like saying I'm a reincarnation of the goddess Ishtar.

I've got 9eagle9 and Unified Serenity giving me a good kicking, in this thread.

How is none of this not a personal attack?

It's OK, you don't have to answer. It was a rhetorical question. I know I'm under personal attack. I just don't understand why. And please don't answer that unless you've got something kind to say, because I can't really take much more of this beating.

Saying these things does not make them so Ishtar. I asked to have a discussion on what you put forth as facts, and you said basially, "No, go start your own thread" which is sort of baseless as I wanted to discuss it with you, but ok, so I did what you asked me to do and now I'm the bad guy. I have put for my evidence refuting what you wrote. I have provided multiple verifiable resources for historic proofs and I have even debunked all the lies about there being all these prior stories of exact Messiah myths. Have you watched that video I posted? Can you address any of that to support these ideas that Yeshua/ Jesus never existed? That's quite a claim which I see no verification of. You chose to not discuss this and told me to address it on another thread.

I had several issues on your thread, and I think I have laid out those issues. I think 9eagle9 laid out her views very well and was not attacking. Saying one is under attack does not make it so. I see manipulative words and pointed it out where I saw the manipulation. You don't like the word NLP, fine. I shared the definitions of it. Some want to focus on audio, touch, and visual NLP only. It is quite clear words can be used to open people up to believe something which may or may not be good for them.

I will take your tact and say, we are not agreeing on this so let's agree to disagree, and leave it there. I know I was not attacking you the person, I was addressing what you said on a different thread as you requested that I do.

Serenity

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by CdnSirian (here)

I don't see an attack here Ishtar. Just an ongoing discussion.

The subtext of the accusation that deliberately using NLP and other under-the-table tactics to persuade people is that I must be manipulative, deceitful and I was at one point in that thread called evil, or at least aligned with an evil regime. I call that a personal attack.

Since then, it's got worse.

There are now two threads on this forum that are all about me and how awful I am.

The thread purporting to be an objective report about NLP and forums is actually all about me. Even when the NLP expert came on to explain to Unified Serenity how I'm not using NLP, she still insisted on repeating all her claims about me in her OP and insisting that they were wrong, even though they were an NLP professional.

This thread we're in now is pretty much now all about me.

I'm being accused of things I've never done, either here or anywhere, like saying I'm a reincarnation of the goddess Ishtar.

I've got 9eagle9 and Unified Serenity giving me a good kicking, in this thread.

How is none of this not a personal attack?

It's OK, you don't have to answer. It was a rhetorical question. I know I'm under personal attack. I just don't understand why. And please don't answer that unless you've got something kind to say, because I can't really take much more of this beating.

I don't mean to say or imply anything unkind to anyone. Perhaps I need to read all these interrelated threads again - just can't retain all the details.

Regards, all.

[Kristin]

Ishtar,
I tried to find the post that I read but was unable to. So I retract my statement.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

New Post reads as follows:
"Ishtar,
I would suggest a little academic reading, Elaine Pagles comes to mind. Jesus existed in the flesh. There is a vast amount of evidence supporting this. I've looked into the debunking sites on ZS and I would call them less then academic. Yes, there are predated cultures that were in existence before the Sumarians. True. But this does not in itself Debunk anyone. True also that many religions are the reflection of the same story. ZS has also spoken on this topic as have many others. But that does not mean that the man "Jesus" historically did not exist. The statement that the Annunaki are a peaceful enlightened race that can only be contacted through the religion of LOVE is a dangerous one. We do not know the intentions of any given race of beings. I do not know what the intentions of Alien lifeforms are, I would not pretend to know. I like the conversation, but thus far I haven't read anything that leads to credibility on your theory. I think it is wise and good to question EVERYTHING, and for that I thank you.
From the Heart,
Wormhole"

[Ishtar]

Posted by Wormhole (here)
Ishtar,
I tried to find the post that I read but was unable to. So I retract my statement.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

You were unable to find it because it doesn't and didn't exist. But this fire fight is geting out of control, and people are making so many wild imaginings about me, it's easy to join in, I suppose.

I really can't take this anymore, and now that my integrity has been so dragged through my mud, there's no point in me posting on Project Avalon anymore. Goodbye to all the good friends I made on here ... you know who you are.