Missing Children, Missing People

[DreamsInDigital]

One of the main problems I find with GLP and it's obvious even in that thread, is most of the post are either by those wholly uninformed and lacking any real knowledge of what they are talking about or are paid disinformation agents. Something blatantly obvious in that thread alone. And, should be taken with a huge shovel of salt

The government for many years has been trying to paint James Casbolt as an "Insane drug addicted " idiot. And, that is a very common tactic for them to counteract anything that could be potentially damaging for Whistleblowers. And, it's all to easy for the common uninformed public that frequently lack the ability to think critically to lock onto the disinformation campaigns against these guys.

[161803398]

I dont know wot to do. Does anyone here know?

Changing our education system would help. People have been taught to compartmentalize and think in a hierarchical way. Thus, they see the trees and not the forest. They are so busy fixing pieces they cannot see the big picture. If we could fix THIS and get in touch with our feelings again; remember love; and, mostly, UNITE; I think we'd clean up this mess a lot faster. We also have to be honest with ourselves.

[DreamsInDigital]

If you guys read anything even Duncan O'Fionian has said, it's often that the parents aren't given a choice in turning over their kids for these projects, and then there are the ones like in relation to this thread that are just kidnapped and nothing ever comes of them ever being found. Unless people are educated about what is going on and they are forced to believe these things are real and are infact happening and not just conspiracy theories (which they aren't) this is one thing that isn't going to change. Unless Huge Flood Lights are shinned on the projects and people don't just stop until it's out there.

[Warlock]

If there were as many missing animals as there are people, all hell would break loose.

The honest truth is that more people would recuse a stray dog than a stray human.

If you don't like THAT truth, then that's on you.

Warlock

[161803398]

If there were as many missing animals as there are people, all hell would break loose.

The honest truth is that more people would recuse a stray dog than a stray human.

If you don't like THAT truth, then that's on you.

Divide and conquer.

All the tactics are right before our eyes and we constantly buy into them.

[Warlock]

Posted by 161803398 (here)

If there were as many missing animals as there are people, all hell would break loose.

The honest truth is that more people would recuse a stray dog than a stray human.

If you don't like THAT truth, then that's on you.

Divide and conquer.

All the tactics are right before our eyes and we constantly buy into them.

Nope.
Humans and dogs are not of equal value.

Warlock

[161803398]

Nope.
Humans and dogs are not of equal value.

The issue is respect for life and until people understand that we are screwed. Once you start on that line of thinking you not only obfiscate the issue; you divide people amongst themselves; and mostly importantly you promote the hierarchical; compartmentalized thinking that keeps us in this mess.

[spiritguide]

Divide and conquer.

All the tactics are right before our eyes and we constantly buy into them.

Could you please explain your statement as the thread is becoming a platform on divide and conquer. This routine of divide and conquer has been around for centuries so how is that related to this thread?

Obfiscated.... who? X-ray vision here.

[161803398]

The Neocons, in case anyone doesn't know this, are Straussians. The punchline of Straussianism is this: human beings are not much more than elaborate sponges, sucking up information from the environment. As a consequence of this, it wouldn't matter what you do to them. Bomb them, use them anyway you like; experiment on them etc etc. So much for the human vs. dog issue.

If it adds to your life to go around thinking you are better than a dog then go for it. But do not be deluded into thinking there isn't someone somewhere who thinks you exist for their use.

[161803398]

Could you please explain your statement as the thread is becoming a platform on divide and conquer. This routine of divide and conquer has been around for centuries so how is that related to this thread?

I was talking about seeing this issue in a holistic way. If you read some of the links in my first post you will see that many people with criminal tendencies start out abusing animals and their control issues can be identified and dealt with at an early stage. It's important to see the issue of abuse as being just that...abuse (control) rather than abuse of this or abuse of that.

There is also the issues of people rights vs. animal rights and important for people to understand the connection instead of seeing themselves in isolation from each other. I find that people here, in North America, do not understand this connection as well or at all as people I know from other countries who have been victims of abuse and torture.

Also, get the different groups arguing with each other over people vs. animals. Keeps them busy and everyone loses sight of the real issue which is: life and dealing with the criminal control freaks who have no respect for any of it.

[mojo]

Statistics

How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

[Warlock]

In 2008 there were approximately 1.2 million abortions in the USA.

If there were 1.2 million animal abortions performed then animal rights wackos would be calling for the death penalty.

Why? Because animals are more valuable to them than humans.

Killing 10,000 chickens for food does not equate to the killing of 10,000 Jews by the Nazis, no matter how you you try to spin it.

Now, I didn't mean to go off-topic and I apologize for that to the orininal poster of this thread.

Warlock

[161803398]

In 2008 there were approximately 1.2 million abortions in the USA.

If there were 1.2 million animal abortions performed then animal rights wackos would be calling for the death penalty.

Why? Because animals are more valuable to them than humans.

Killing 10,000 chickens for food does not equate to the killing of 10,000 Jews by the Nazis, no matter how you you try to spin it.

Now, I didn't mean to go off-topic and I apologize for that to the orininal poster of this thread.

Warlock

so are you saying that the animal rights wackos are somehow responsible for the missing children?

[DreamsInDigital]

Posted by mojo (here)
Statistics

How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

So that's still within the statistics I was estimating. A good 400,000 children abducted for Government and Alien Projects.

[grapevine]

Dear Spiritguide and Warlock

With the greatest respect, while your contributions are appreciated they have little to do with Missing People and this thread is getting hijacked, whether intentionally or not. The "worth" of one species over another has little relevance to the topic under discussion although maybe you feel it's worth a thread of its own.

Thanks - Linda

[161803398]

http://dave-lucas.blogspot.com/2011/...y-is-this.html here is some information about the "Battle" to combat human trafficking BUT I am so cynical because i know what has happened with the so called War on Cancer and the equally so called War on Drugs, in both of which cases, the wolves were put in charge of the hen house.

For example:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...m-2192045.html

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2010/1...-in-sex-trade/

[grapevine]

Thanks for the links 161803398 - lot of reading there. The first link led to a Trafficking in Persons Report for June 2008 which included a letter from Conbdoleeza Rice (?). There is an update every year and this is the link to the UK one:

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/countr...12ee3ac,0.html

One paragraph starts: " The Government of the United Kingdom fully complies with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking." Although taken out of context "minimum" is not enough, given the scale of what we are seeing. And further down the first page . . . " A number of rescued children placed in the care of local authorities continued to go missing, increasing their vulnerability to being re-trafficked or becoming victims of trafficking," which would suggest that the police checks for people working with children aren't nearly strong enough.

Edit post: Re the link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...m-2192045.html
I see that DynCorp are still going strong, even after the outing by Kathryn Bolcovac. This smacks of Government support and it would be interesting to see what Condoleeza thinks of it and whether it will be mentioned in the Trafficking Persons Report 2012 . . .

[spiritguide]

Posted by w1ndmill (here)
Dear Spiritguide and Warlock

With the greatest respect, while your contributions are appreciated they have little to do with Missing People and this thread is getting hijacked, whether intentionally or not. The "worth" of one species over another has little relevance to the topic under discussion although maybe you feel it's worth a thread of its own.

Thanks - Linda

Dear Linda

Read my last post.

[161803398]

One paragraph starts: " The Government of the United Kingdom fully complies with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking." Although taken out of context "minimum" is not enough, given the scale of what we are seeing. And further down the first page . . . " A number of rescued children placed in the care of local authorities continued to go missing, increasing their vulnerability to being re-trafficked or becoming victims of trafficking," which would suggest that the police checks for people working with children aren't nearly strong enough.

There was recently a child taken by a convicted child molester who was out of prison. This happened in a small town in B.C. The police and the whole community worked together for three days. The child molester's mother went on the radio and said she knew her son wouldn't harm the child (which I took to be guidance for her son; I don't think she actually knew what he would do). It was on the news constantly all day every day for three days. People in the town were out in search parties every day. After the third day, the child was returned to the parent's home while they were out. If you watch that video about the trafficking of Russian women in Turkey towards the end they show the pressure put on that pimp by the woman's husband...and what happened...the pimp put her on plane back to Russia. At least in these cases, it shows how much pressure will work on these people. It's when they know the pressure is off that the problems come in. So why do the police in these cases do so little or nothing? I think in some cases they make a show of doing something - like this legislation.

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by mojo (here)
Statistics

How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

Talk about synchronicity! I read those statistics on David Icke's forum this morning, and was so horrified that I immediately downloaded the report from NISMART National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children called National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview. Here is the link to that pdf:

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc...2_overview.pdf

It seems that those statistics, quoted out of context, could be misleading.

I was so relieved when I read the report in full: this paragraph from the conclusion gives a more accurate overview:

Only a fraction of 1 percent of the children who were reported missing had not been recovered by the time they entered the NISMART–2 study data. Thus, the study shows that, although the number of caretaker missing children is fairly large and a majority come to the attention of law enforcement or missing children’s agencies, all but a very small percentage are recovered fairly quickly.

Of course, if there was only one missing child, it is still heart breaking.