Here and Now...What's Happening?

[ulli]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Nora (here)

This is a great dream Cottage Rose

this is your dream and i am not a dream interpreter please take what i say with a grain of salt and just adding my perspective, but i would say this is a dream of integration of your spirit/Spirit; your boss is you, your upset because you were leaving your friends -parts of you that you may not need anymore/or they are integrating and the view is different a different view point. Spirit and your spirit created form, the past, moving up to another office as a reference point for you to integrate spirit and be able to access a plane(s) & dimension(s) that have finer vibrations -hence the monatomics. Looks like you got alot all in one full swoop -recapitulation, present and future. Your thinking about this "odd occurrence" keeps you connected to the physical -your boss/spirit leaving allows you choice / feeling dis-oriented like reorganization/ you chose to integrate more micro/macro the monatomics. Really cool dream.

Love

Nora

we are all related

Interesting Nora,

By no means experienced in dream interpretation but noting something from someone who has for many years, David Wilcock, he suggests that everybody in our dreams are actually aspects of ourselves (paraphrasing). After all the ruckus in the forum following his death threat I am loath to even bring up the name and that makes me sad.

Thanks for sharing your dream Cottage Rose

Calz,
David will always be a controversial figure. I guess in a way I'm grateful to him as it was his interview that brought my attention to Bill and Kerry. I was a daily regular on the Divine Cosmos forum before then, although I never contributed.
If David had given credit where credit is due he would have more devoted followers. The idea that every object in a dream is the dreamer himself was already common knowledge, and maybe even Fritz Perls was not the first one who came across it, although he built his life's work on it.
Same goes for Dan Winter who blatently plagiarized another man's work, with the origin of the Hebrew alphabet work, and is now running from the law because of it. Like David Wilcock, Dan Winter is another Pisces, and many have been known to do this because they are so steeped in oneness that they have no qualms about stealing ideas. They don't seem to know where one person ends and the other begins. You simply cannot have a 3D world based on that idea.
Which is why I always say that the All is One paradigm is only one half of humanity's wake-up call
The other is All Is Separate. Both are true, both must be seen in larger context.
Planet Earth is about diversity, and concepts like uniformity (which implies force) and unity (which implies a voluntary joining) have to be understood and presented in a way that leaves no trail of confusion the way David has done.

[Calz]

Say Viral ... see the Tellinger vid I posted earlier here (was well as starting a thread with)?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l-Tellinger-in...

Your neck of the woods is it not?

Having some interesting debate regarding the possibility of a "footprint" in granite with some (justifiably) suspicious takes on it.

Your posts imply a bit of time to travel. Any wild chance you could make it to this place and get some high quality digital images of this??? Someone has already sent email. If not no biggy ... just interesting to have "avalonian boots on the ground" to take us on a first hand look.

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Here's the reply I received this morning from Michael:

Hello Kathie
I wish I had the answers for the 1000’s of questions I received. This is one of the great mysteries in the world. The geology is definitely granite – which makes this footprint a great puzzle.
Its location and the fact that it was discovered in 1912 in a remote area by a hunter, excludes the possibility of a hoax carving.
Something really amazing happened here a long time ago and we have to face it.

in Pure Truth

Michael of the family Tellinger
All rights reserved - without prejudice - without recourse

[Calz]

Posted by ulli (here)

Calz,
David will always be a controversial figure. I guess in a way I'm grateful to him as it was his interview that brought my attention to Bill and Kerry. I was a daily regular on the Divine Cosmos forum before then, although I never contributed.
If David had given credit where credit is due he would have more devoted followers. The idea that every object in a dream is the dreamer himself was already common knowledge, and maybe even Fritz Perls was not the first one who came across it, although he built his life's work on it.
Same goes for Dan Winter who blatently plagiarized another man's work, with the origin of the Hebrew alphabet work, and is now running from the law because of it. Like David Wilcock, Dan Winter is another Pisces, and many have been known to do this because they are so steeped in oneness that they have no qualms about stealing ideas. They don't seem to know where one person ends and the other begins. You simply cannot have a 3D world based on that idea.
Which is why I always say that the All is One paradigm is only one half of humanity's wake-up call
The other is All Is Separate. Both are true, both must be seen in larger context.
Planet Earth is about diversity, and concepts like uniformity (which implies force) and unity (which implies a voluntary joining) have to be understood and presented in a way that leaves no trail of confusion the way David has done.

Point taken ulli.

My response is similar to what I have referred to often before. If not for Wilcock then I would never have heard of this information. Sure he missed many responsibilities to give credit were credit is due yet often does not. He sites many sources for what he pulls together in his material.

His strength is taking scientific data ... understanding it ... integrating it ... putting it into a format more accessibly for knuckleheads like me.

As far as dreamwork David has been closely documenting and analyzing his dreams for many many years. Is it not a bit hasty to discount that??? Could he not be given just a *bit* of credit for reenforcing previous theories with concrete experience of his own??? Had not David experienced that for himself do you think he would still have made that sort of reference???

As an astrologer you are better equipped than most to understand and have insight into what all souls have entered with regarding energies they were born into.

I never did David's forum but we share the history that brought us to find Bill and Kerry.

My sadness is due to the level of "venom" directed his way lately. We all make mistakes. We are human ... what else can we expect? I simply don't feel anything Wilcock has done deserves crucifixion. Whatever shortcomings and errors he has made along the path I believe (me personally) are due to his sometimes naive nature. Sure he is bright enough to understand that if you jump into a pool of sharks there are consequences but perhaps it took a real wake up call to make that connection.

Don't let his shortcomings circumvent his gifts and service to the world.

baby ... bathwater ... rinse and repeat

IMHO

[ulli]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Calz,
David will always be a controversial figure. I guess in a way I'm grateful to him as it was his interview that brought my attention to Bill and Kerry. I was a daily regular on the Divine Cosmos forum before then, although I never contributed.
If David had given credit where credit is due he would have more devoted followers. The idea that every object in a dream is the dreamer himself was already common knowledge, and maybe even Fritz Perls was not the first one who came across it, although he built his life's work on it.
Same goes for Dan Winter who blatently plagiarized another man's work, with the origin of the Hebrew alphabet work, and is now running from the law because of it. Like David Wilcock, Dan Winter is another Pisces, and many have been known to do this because they are so steeped in oneness that they have no qualms about stealing ideas. They don't seem to know where one person ends and the other begins. You simply cannot have a 3D world based on that idea.
Which is why I always say that the All is One paradigm is only one half of humanity's wake-up call
The other is All Is Separate. Both are true, both must be seen in larger context.
Planet Earth is about diversity, and concepts like uniformity (which implies force) and unity (which implies a voluntary joining) have to be understood and presented in a way that leaves no trail of confusion the way David has done.

Point taken ulli.

My response is similar to what I have referred to often before. If not for Wilcock then I would never have heard of this information. Sure he missed many responsibilities to give credit were credit is due yet often does not. He sites many sources for what he pulls together in his material.

His strength is taking scientific data ... understanding it ... integrating it ... putting it into a format more accessibly for knuckleheads like me.

As far as dreamwork David has been closely documenting and analyzing his dreams for many many years. Is it not a bit hasty to discount that??? Could he not be given just a *bit* of credit for reenforcing previous theories with concrete experience of his own??? Had not David experienced that for himself do you think he would still have made that sort of reference???

As an astrologer you are better equipped than most to understand and have insight into what all souls have entered with regarding energies they were born into.

I never did David's forum but we share the history that brought us to find Bill and Kerry.

My sadness is due to the level of "venom" directed his way lately. We all make mistakes. We are human ... what else can we expect? I simply don't feel anything Wilcock has done deserves crucifixion. Whatever shortcomings and errors he has made along the path I believe (me personally) are due to his sometimes naive nature. Sure he is bright enough to understand that if you jump into a pool of sharks there are consequences but perhaps it took a real wake up call to make that connection.

Don't let his shortcomings circumvent his gifts and service to the world.

baby ... bathwater ... rinse and repeat

IMHO

Point taken, as well. Which is why I would never spew venom in David's direction, nor spit at him.
Just saying it does not surprise me that he gets strong emotional reactions from the lovers and haters alike.
And maybe that's a better thing than I would like to think, as that kind of dynamic makes a big enough splash to get an important message heard.

The Bigger Splash...a painting by David Hockney of a Beverly Hiils swimming pool after someone jumped into it...
and the isolation of the life of the super-rich.

[eaglespirit]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
The Road of Higher Awareness...no need for pavement from Here and Now

Stunning.

Just waking up (have not even managed a bit of coffee yet) but when I saw this I had the overwhelming desire to be there.

Very odd ... not a "oh how cool" ... but more a "longing to be there".

Sup with dat?

Mornin' Calz....that's why I posted it this morn...it spoke to me when I found it. As exhilarating as a 2d pic can be, imho. I wanted to walk those hills and dales immediately, and well, we actually are in a vibratory way : )

[Calz]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
Mornin' Calz....that's why I posted it this morn...it spoke to me when I found it. As exhilarating as a 2d pic can be, imho. I wanted to walk those hills and dales immediately, and well, we actually are in a vibratory way : )

That was a completely honest response to seeing that image.

I have never experienced anything like that before regardless of how many similar images or videos I have seen.

Very odd sensation. Not sure how to explain it other than what you have done.

[9eagle9]

My sadness is due to the level of "venom" directed his way lately. We all make mistakes. We are human ... what else can we expect? I simply don't feel anything Wilcock has done deserves crucifixion.

Cal, look at it this way. When one assumes a role, and the role breaks down as they always do, spiritual course correction, the venom is directed at the role assumed.

People may not be aware of this, and if David is aware of it then ....everything is hunky dorey. If he has not separated himself from the role then he will definently be experiencing a psychic attack. If he is the psychic he says he is..no problem. Psychics may be slow on the uptake but...they eventually find out how to frame themselves from psychic attack. But one has to consider the sources of that attack in 360 degree way. Much of our psychic attack originates in 'well meaning' people.

His work that you so admire lays it all out. Hypnosis and self-seduction.

If I looked out on the world and seen my fans(not that I have any but for the sake of arguement) pitying me...I'd be horrorfied. Is that HOW they see me???!!!

If one assumes a messiah role or savior role by choice or has it imposed on him by fans....then they will get crucified. The way things are arranged now...it's unavoidable. In thousands of years humans have never deviated from that particular outcome when one chooses that particular matrix creating situation. The roles that we choose ...determine the out come. So we can stop playing the role, and stop participating in the circumstances surrounding it.... and we no longer risk crucification. His work lays that all out on the table.

He is a human, perhaps if he had not implicated himself or his fans had not implicated him as 'more than human' people would be more forgiving. People are willing to forgive human error...people don't know how to forgive something that comes across or is portrayed as not human. People who blame god can explain that to you better than I.

But still its the role that he assumed that people are spitting at ..you can't really do anything to one's authentic expression.

At this point its David's admirers who keep perpetrating the poor pitiful David expressions here. My friend is a big David Wilcock fan and as we talked about this,she was first wide eyed, and then said,
'Ah well ......... he can manage himself.'

There's a vote of confidence there. She periodically reminds me that I can manage myself and she reminds me of the that because .......we both know its true.

...continuing to be 'sad' over David is rather demeaning to him. In our sympathy we keep bringing up the notion that he is weak, defenseless, victim of venom. Owie, is that vote of confidence ????? So what people are seeing are ...his admirer's re-inforcing the notion that he is weak. Is that what you want?

Its wrong when those who are not fans of his to do this...but somehow more correct when his admirers do it????!!!!

Is that how you see this man that you claim to admire? I'm not seeing your admiration ---your portryal of him is of a disempowered victim long after the more verbal naysayers have put it to rest. As an object of pity, a victim of venom? Is he that lacking in power, and significance that you should pity him? So powerless that we should not question him for fear he may break? That's painting a confidence inspiring portrait of anyone?

Another circumstance of seeing how we feel about ourselves in other people. I just see another circumstance of attempting to smother another's percieved shortcomings in pity in attempt to fix our own misgivings about ourselves. Or perhaps not forgiving ourselves for our percieved shortcomings by sympathizing when we 'think' we see it in others.

This won't be the last time we see this. We caught in an awful run away circle of Question everything but don't question that which I love. If someone is that powerful and worthy of admiration they can stand a few questions, probing. Its how people determine the authenticity of anything by QUESTING--questioning--it.

[ulli]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
The Road of Higher Awareness...no need for pavement from Here and Now

Stunning.

Just waking up (have not even managed a bit of coffee yet) but when I saw this I had the overwhelming desire to be there.

Very odd ... not a "oh how cool" ... but more a "longing to be there".

Sup with dat?

Mornin' Calz....that's why I posted it this morn...it spoke to me when I found it. As exhilarating as a 2d pic can be, imho. I wanted to walk those hills and dales immediately, and well, we actually are in a vibratory way : )

The otherworldly quality of this is unmistakable.
Impact picture, and a real piece of art.

I felt like this before, when I heard for the first time of people adding a moonlight garden to their existing garden.
A moonlight garden has only white flowering plants in it.
They glow during a full moon....to me this is taking the art of gardening to new heights.

[9eagle9]

I miss having a pool.

My ex husband and I had a splendiforous pool, and it was basically a place that one lolled in while having a drink on a hot day with Def Leppard blasting on the outdoor speakers. The checking of the pool was the first thing I did in the morning, with a cup of coffee in hand, out in the quite sunrise.

He seldom opens the pool anymore . The first year we were separated I had to go open it for him and said....this is the last time. He has a hard time maintaining the pool, it's often green and unusable because he doesn't have the appropriate vigilance. Nor will he leave the house long for fear of me using the pool or hot tub while he's gone...lol.

It's very easy to do. You wait till he leaves, then you run for the pool. If you hear his truck coming up the hill, you dart out of the pool, hide under the deck, and when he goes in the house, you dart into the woods, and then run through the woods to the front of my house, and then enter through the front. You have complete stealth coverage the entire time.

In case anyone decided to come visit and wanted to use my ex-pool.

you are most welcome to.

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Calz,
David will always be a controversial figure. I guess in a way I'm grateful to him as it was his interview that brought my attention to Bill and Kerry. I was a daily regular on the Divine Cosmos forum before then, although I never contributed.
If David had given credit where credit is due he would have more devoted followers. The idea that every object in a dream is the dreamer himself was already common knowledge, and maybe even Fritz Perls was not the first one who came across it, although he built his life's work on it.
Same goes for Dan Winter who blatently plagiarized another man's work, with the origin of the Hebrew alphabet work, and is now running from the law because of it. Like David Wilcock, Dan Winter is another Pisces, and many have been known to do this because they are so steeped in oneness that they have no qualms about stealing ideas. They don't seem to know where one person ends and the other begins. You simply cannot have a 3D world based on that idea.
Which is why I always say that the All is One paradigm is only one half of humanity's wake-up call
The other is All Is Separate. Both are true, both must be seen in larger context.
Planet Earth is about diversity, and concepts like uniformity (which implies force) and unity (which implies a voluntary joining) have to be understood and presented in a way that leaves no trail of confusion the way David has done.

Point taken ulli.

My response is similar to what I have referred to often before. If not for Wilcock then I would never have heard of this information. Sure he missed many responsibilities to give credit were credit is due yet often does not. He sites many sources for what he pulls together in his material.

His strength is taking scientific data ... understanding it ... integrating it ... putting it into a format more accessibly for knuckleheads like me.

As far as dreamwork David has been closely documenting and analyzing his dreams for many many years. Is it not a bit hasty to discount that??? Could he not be given just a *bit* of credit for reenforcing previous theories with concrete experience of his own??? Had not David experienced that for himself do you think he would still have made that sort of reference???

As an astrologer you are better equipped than most to understand and have insight into what all souls have entered with regarding energies they were born into.

I never did David's forum but we share the history that brought us to find Bill and Kerry.

My sadness is due to the level of "venom" directed his way lately. We all make mistakes. We are human ... what else can we expect? I simply don't feel anything Wilcock has done deserves crucifixion. Whatever shortcomings and errors he has made along the path I believe (me personally) are due to his sometimes naive nature. Sure he is bright enough to understand that if you jump into a pool of sharks there are consequences but perhaps it took a real wake up call to make that connection.

Don't let his shortcomings circumvent his gifts and service to the world.

baby ... bathwater ... rinse and repeat

IMHO

Point taken, as well. Which is why I would never spew venom in David's direction, nor spit at him.
Just saying it does not surprise me that he gets strong emotional reactions from the lovers and haters alike.
And maybe that's a better thing than I would like to think, as that kind of dynamic makes a big enough splash to get an important message heard.

The Bigger Splash...a painting by David Hockney of a Beverly Hiils swimming pool after someone jumped into it...
and the isolation of the life of the super-rich.

[ulli]

This picture can't match the above, although it is pretty.

I'm just showing it as a contrast...a different type of fantasy image...more kitsch, perhaps?

[ulli]

@9eagle9

there was once a youtube video making the rounds...this family had a pool, with huge rocks next to it, to jump from.
Every time they went out shopping when they returned they found the entire floor around the pool wet.
They asked the neighbor if his kids might have sneaked in there, but no. So they decided to install a camera to catch whoever was using their pool when they were out.
To their surprise they discovered it was their own dog...I think it was a Rottweiler, or Great Dane...big dog, anyway...
the moment they left the house their dog climbed up on those stones, jumped into the pool making a huge splash, swam to the other side, climbed out, ran back to the rocks, jumped again, swam across, etc. ...non-stop until they returned. He then went to his corner and pretended to be asleep.
All captured on video. I wish I could find it again.

[Calz]

Alright ... let's take this one step at a time this time and I strongly encourage other villagers to offer their voices here.





9:

His work that you so admire lays it all out.

As I clearly tried to enunciate my admiration is for his ability to make more accessible that which is beyond most of us. Combination of other works perhaps lacking in recognition and explicitly siting such.

Hypnosis and self-seduction

Entered into the court's record is that I have tried on several times to be "hypnotised" without success.

Call me a nugget if you will ... are you suggesting I have been hypnotised into self-seduction?

To accomodate the jury can you please expand on the meaning of that? We want everyone to be crystal clear.

Don't suppose you have actually read his latest book have you??? Your (seeming?) disdain for him would suggest otherwise. So how are you in a position to be self appointed "judge, jury and executioner" (yes margaret ... yet again )???

Not a dig.

I am not a hater (5 planets in Libra c'mon). Humor me (you remember that one?)

I have great respect for you and I always look to learn something from *ANYONE* on the forum who has an opinion different than myself.

Wonderful learning tool.

If in my foolishness I am made an example of for learning for the benefit of the village (forum ... guests) then so be it.

Wish it would have come about in another thread. You are responding to my response to ulli ... and so quite on topic.

Cal


PS - you didn't see fit to repond to my last post in reaction to your dump on Ishtar. That was about ... what ... Anunnaki??? Coming into what matters here and now??? I didn't see you piling on Sid when he went into great length about his opinion the Enki faction was returning to "finish things" with Enlil.

Can you elaborate on that as well???

Let's finish old business of the court before continuing on to new shall we???

Don't pull a "someone else" and ignore a honest and respectful challange to your post then vanish for a couple weeks only to return to pontificate yet again somewhere else (perhaps with someone not willing to stand up)

[ViralSpiral]

Hi Cal, I saw the video of Big Foot. Thank you

Its too remote. Hunting area. Wont be going anytime soon. I love his work though and admire his courage.

I plead the 5th i.r.o jury duty. What I will say is that I am saddened and disappointed at the levels of disrespect thrown around the forum. For the most part I will remain a voyeur...








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Posted by eaglespirit (here)
The Road of Higher Awareness...no need for pavement from Here and Now

♥ this!!!!

[write4change]

I have been reading but too tired and thoughtful to post. Jan. 2 I started moving into my new office. I had paid for everything about the 1st of December, and they promised to clean it. So when I arrived it looked exactly like I had last seen it. It would be a long story to how this all evolved and right now not worth the back ground. The here and now is that it is my focus. And a preparation for work---the mental kind now requiring a lot of physical labor.

I have to climb one very old fashioned flight of stairs. With my knees it is a big deal. So it changed everything, in that what was going in there had to fit in my car and I had to be able to lift it myself. At first, it was to be temporary--for a couple of months. But I have now have so much work in it--that it is permanent until my last final big move. I think of the change of plans to be the universe giving me time to plan differently and time to realize to let things evolve.

Except for not being on the first floor it is a by far better office. Things I did not think about because so many things seem superficially normal and are not. This office has a big window looking out into a big tree. Rare for LA. The other office was totally interior and all highly lit with artificial light. Something I did not think about would be highly unhappy with long term.

All of the fixtures in this office are already earthquake proof and I really did not understand this new retro fitting until I started working with it. What is going on in LA is the young moving into the city differently. Lots of these abandoned buildings are now being taken up and used totally differently. This used to be an old brewry. Embedded in the entrance way to my office is the seal in the floor dated 1912. This huge property has office lofts and big warehouse areas for various kinds of big art building. One of the interesting things in the parking lot is a young woman working with a moving silver colored structure that is not a sphere but has some of its attributes while she does a form of dancing jungle gym performance she is working on for cirque de soleil.

I am the oldest person around and my own form of curiousity. I will periodically write here interesting things I see. A lot of this is visual arts and strange designs for movie sets. Right now I am on a schedule trying to finish by Wednesday. I am doing 6 yo 8 hours of what for me is hard labor. Yesterday as I worked 4 young people in 10 hours buildt and entire recording studio with high graphic designs and totally created walls, windows, painted highly geometrically and creatively and how they did that I have no idea. I never saw any taping etc. that I learned in my day. And it is perfect looking.

What is nice is that yesterday, a young composer came by and was as enchanted as by what I was doing and we are going to barter needs. More about that later. I started Monday and worked so hard for two days that Wednesday I had to just sleep and let my back and knees recover. What everyone is impressed with in my parameters of doing it by car and what I can carry. Yesterday, the studio people carried everything up the stairs so I got a lot more done and sort of caught up.

Today, I am moving a fireplace. LOL Signing off for a while.

[9eagle9]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Alright ... let's take this one step at a time this time and I strongly encourage other villagers to offer their voices here.


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9:

His work that you so admire lays it all out.

As I clearly tried to enunciate my admiration is for his ability to make more accessible that which is beyond most of us. Combination of other works perhaps lacking in recognition and explicitly siting such.

Well he could more accessible by expressing that what he claims to hold... himself. One's work is expressed through them in their physical life. The fruits of one's labors are expressed through them. I can blather and gargle that I'm a carpenter all day but I would look rather awkward if the house i built collapsed after one storm.

One should be able to separate David Wilcock from his work. Even he does a half arsed job of it. But we don't see anyone saying , I feel sorry for David's work.

I see people feeling sorry for David Wilcock....

We can't separate the two? Know the difference between his work and his self?

Hypnosis and self-seduction

Entered into the court's record is that I have tried on several times to be "hypnotised" without success.

Call me a nugget if you will ... are you suggesting I have been hypnotised into self-seduction?

David has been self seduced.You got drug along by emotional assocation or attachment. He believed his own story even as his work indicated we must be vigilant of not falling into stories and hypnotic suggestions. Our WORK is expressed through us . There is not person who cannot be hypnotised. We all have been. Therapeutic hypnosis is FAR and Away different from the sort of hypnosis we are speaking about. .


To accomodate the jury can you please expand on the meaning of that? We want everyone to be crystal clear.

first I'm going to establish this isn't a trial and I'm not the prosecutiing attorney. If you want to play the role of defendant that is your choice. Was that clear enough? Because I can drag out some of his work and we'll have a common frame of reference to work from.?

Don't suppose you have actually read his latest book have you??? Your (seeming?) disdain for him would suggest otherwise. So how are you in a position to be self appointed "judge, jury and executioner" (yes margaret ... yet again )???


Source Feild Investigations emphasizes how much of our conditon has been imposed in a hypnotic way. Did I need source field investigations to tell me that. No I was a hypnotist way before that book ever came out. and this information has been out there long before David ever came along. Short of posting the Book here we can reference the video to it and I will clearly point out , from a common frame of reference, where I'm coming from. Hows that. Or you can start posting the book and I will very easily re-frame what I'm saying from his text.'Seeming' disdain. This is you are challenged to uphold.

I have nothing against his work, you can go thorugh all my posts , and do your own work, and you will not see a word from me against his work. I don't agree with all of it, and because I have not created him as a guru for myself, I can focus on the work and where it proves or fails without all this emotional hardship. My comment about his work is...he needs to follow his own advice. Is that disdain?

David is not my authority on the subject. I am. If this passes for disdain, then I am willingly to risk that.

What is more important. David or the Work?I've seen gurus kick themselves in the ass too many times for me to get overly excited about this latest self inflicted ass kicking. I know we all looking for a higher authority but he's not it. We are. People who undertake the role of a Psychic Medium should do their own homework and see what happened to public psychics in the past when they traverse down this path.

As I have stated over and over he should follow his own advice. Because he doesn't own that work, he refers to many sources, he didn't 'discover' those sources, much of what he brings out is common knowledge in certain circles. However he failed to adhere to his own principals which risks tarnishing any good it may do. History repeats itself again. That is not making things more accessible its making it more difficult.



Not a dig.

I am not a hater (5 planets in Libra c'mon). Humor me (you remember that one?)

No of course not but in attempting to love everything to avoid hate you may end up hurting yourself. No one else....but you. This why things like this happen and some people are hurt from it and other's are not. But the one's who are not damaged by it by keeping appropriate boundaries for themselve aren't haters either. This may be one of your Libra challenges.

I have great respect for you and I always look to learn something from *ANYONE* on the forum who has an opinion different than myself.

You only have that great respect for me because I express the same respect for myself...but thank you for seeing what I know in myself. If it was not present or expressed in me...you'd not have anything to see.



Wonderful learning tool.

If in my foolishness I am made an example of for learning for the benefit of the village (forum ... guests) then so be it.

Wish it would have come about in another thread. You are responding to my response to ulli ... and so quite on topic.

Is the here and now simply reduced to a place where we talk about 'lite' subjects. In actuality the people inhabiting this thread are ones who can actually something in a way that doesn't cause an avalanche.


PS - you didn't see fit to repond to my last post in reaction to your dump on Ishtar. That was about ... what ... Anunnaki??? Coming into what matters here and now??? I didn't see you piling on Sid when he went into great length about his opinion the Enki faction was returning to "finish things" with Enlil.

I didn't see your last post in my 'dump' on Ishstar. I know questioning the validitiy of people's statements even as we are cajoled to 'question everything' is a crazy making matrix mechanism. If it was the thread I am thinking of, I was asked to leave the thread. If she trotted over to thread where those who were asked to leave the thread were discussing certain hypnotic manuveurs...that's her problem. If she is the person she says she is....she can manage herself. If David is the person he claims to be he can manage himself. If you like I'll respond to it. I very highly doubt you will like my response. That will be your responsibility to manage that one as well.

I will also remind you that I didn't bring up David Wilcocks , Lord Sid or Ishtar in this thread before we proceed.

I didn't see Lord Sids Posts about his opinions about the Enki faction .I like LS very much however I didn't trail after him watching every word he said. He's not my authority on 'everything'.
he knows this, he and I have discussed very often.

but since you've brought it up and require a response from me. Lord Sid isn't claiming to be the reincarnation of someone to prop up his opinion. Ishtar and David Wilcocks don't trust their information enough to just allow it to express, and prove itself that way; they need a prop in order to prop it up, to validate it, instead of just allowing it to prove itself. When someone is that doubtful to what they are stating why do I HAVE to believe it route and verse? And I have made many statements that obviate themselves about role playing. Do I front all my remarks and say this is the truth because I was someone or another in a previous lifetime. I WAS but it's irrelvant to anyone but me. It's irrelevant in the here and now. What I say will prove itself without me having to be a designer label on it. The words themselves will prove themselves or not without me putting a personal meaning of myself on them.

If Ishtar is the all powerful shaman and reincarnation of Ishtar that her adherents are popping her about with....she can cope with a few questions don't you think? Shamans are used to being questioned. Or was her that claimed to be the reicarnation of Ishtar? There's so many people POSING as this , that or the other, I get them confused.

I think she can stand up to a few questions IF she is who she claims to be.So can David. Or rather if they are who they claim to be, it will prove itself in expression.

I know I can manage a few questions without breaking down. Should I expect less of other people than I do myself? Demeaning them perhaps? I expect less of you because you are less than me, is the message there.

But we're not supposed to question God are we?Ahh.........there we go. There's are issue right there. Core value. We're not suppposed to question our authority figures...why?




[COLOR="red"]The mechanism is old boring and tired. It's been used for thousands of years. Didn't the Annunaki use that same "We're God!" mechanism. Gee any wonder that someone attempting to pose as God would use another set of Gods to validate their point. [/COLOR]It's more role playing.


Can you elaborate on that as well???

If that was not elaborate enough I can very well expand on it but considering how emotional this is for people one has to consider that their feelings may get hurt. I can do that much when people keep durp-te- do-ing up a hurtful track is warn them that ....this may hurt. .

Let's finish old business of the court before continuing on to new shall we???

Careful what you wish for.

[Calz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Careful what you wish for.

Learned that lesson a time or two before.

Will need to chew on this later as I am back to my overnight 13 shift tonight ... nappy time.

Thanks for your response.

Any other members here willing to jump into the pool???

Cal

[write4change]

The Questioning of God:

One of the reasons I converted to Judaism from Catholicism is their saying where ten or more are gathered, ten being the requirement for minyon for sanctified ritual, there are 11 opinions.

It is a Midrash, sort of sacred folk tale, saying that the Jews became the chosen people because they were the only ones willing to argue with God. 100 righteous people?, how about 10, how about one? Who am I to be your messenger? Moses, Jonah, etc.

It took me a while in my life to give up organized religion because I felt I need a defined path. It was only when I became integrated to myself that I understood the way for me is the way inside myself. Took about 40 years of work and experimentation to get there. I still hold myself out to be a Jew and a Buddhist because they are not mutually exclusive and both in their sacred traditions of scholar lead inwards. Being a recluse for ten years was not hard. Like in many ways dying is easier than living. It is living and working and understanding together that is hard. Being the way in the world you want the world to be when it is not. Now that is a challenge!

[Guest]

I do not like chlorinated environments much prefer swimming in the ocean or kayaking on a full moon misty night.

But I will comment, I am not that familiar with DW only in passing until i came to PA and am just now beginning to read The Source Field Investigation. I read the first 8 or so pages of the DW receives death threat thread and was enough and really a bit too much for me..... felt a lot of pressure especially in my brain. When i finally had some time I listened to the radio interview and pretty much had the same physiological reaction to the interview and sensed a lot of static for lack of a better word. Through the whole created diatribe, that I would allow myself to observe, key word here observe is that everyone created a goat out of DW & the situation and he in turn created a goat, ie the situation and now his fans. Why? it's obvious neither one wants to be responsible and used emotional discourse to create a situation that detracted and distracted them from what is truly going on with themselves, the world and the way they are truly feeling. This is my observation.

Here and now it is a cold blustery sunny day i am nursing a cold and drinking a very hot strong cup of peppermint tea.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[eaglespirit]

Let It ALL Go !

Love! Love! Love!

[Marianne]

A Moon Garden ... it's dear to my heart. I have one planned, it's blooming in my mind ... someday it will slide out of my head and into the landscape, someplace where I call home.

The full moon was yesterday ... it's easy to imagine a beautiful garden of white blooming flowers and silvery leaves.