David Icke 2012

[Star1111]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Star1111 (here)
It could be a 'story' from a woman scorned (hell hath no fury)

It is.

Bill, its always valuable to get two sides of the story imo. No-one is perfect - well not in the human form anyway.

Posted by Star1111 (here)
or there could be some truth in it.

There is not.

No-one other than the people actually in the relationship ever know the real story imo

Posted by Star1111 (here)
Truth or fiction, I don't really care.

Maybe you should.

There are more important things for me to care about Bill and I do.

I simply sent the article for those that might be interested in David Icke and the publicity surrounding him, be it true or false.
I don't judge. Perhaps I should have made that clear rather than say "I don't really care". What I meant by "I don't really care" is ....... what people do in their private life (as long as it does not affect in a negative way humanity or the planet or others who do not concent to whatever it is they are doing) is of no real concern and not that important in the BIG scheme of things.

[Kristin]

Having had my own (non drug induced) experience... long before anyone was even talking about reptilians, I would have to heartily agree with you Bill, thank you.
Wormhole

[BestLion]

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.
Many people who have seen reptilians have never taken any drugs. [Mod hat on: please stop promoting this.]

I did mention people have seen them via -non drug use..History is full of it, lore, religions, and accounts even to this day. I only mentioned DMT in relations to what Graham Hancock wrote in his book Supernatural..where they did studies on people who were given LSD and they all seen the same things while in a hallucinogenic state..and one of those were reptilians.."of which many talked"
I've never seen one myself "or maybe I have and didnt know it", but indications are compelling that many people have witnessed them.
The article is just trying to make Mr Icke look like a fool, and since most people don't believe in reptilians they more less twist it to say David Icke believe in Santa Claus. I know when David came out with the reptilian things he said it really did hurt his campaign on truth, but he knew this..and his convictions told him to do it..even if it cost him everything..Thus kudos to him!

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

My advice is not to promote the Daily Mail one bit.

This paper is a nasty, racist, dis-info spreading rag that has angered so many over the last 12 months it is unbelievable how it is still allowed to continue.
The official complaints that have been slapped on the table of the press complaints, The Senedd & The Westminster government only to be laughed at, is insulting to say the least.

An official boycott was called several months back & is fully supported by the likes of Balchder Cymru, Cymru Rydd & others.

May I suggest that others also take this stance.

[Logan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)
Seems they are trying to discredit him anyway they can. This aint the 1st time. They really did a smear campaign on him when he revealed info about reptilians. And low and behold what do we find in the article?

Our planet, he declared, is secretly ruled by a race of reptile-like aliens.

These reptiles, malevolent in nature, sometimes ‘shape-shift’ into human form. The Queen, for example, is a reptilian, President Barack Obama another.

Bonkers, yes. But Icke’s show in November, with tickets costing $50 (£32) a head, was a sell-out, as have been most of the other dates on his world tour, which ends in Britain later this year.

Ickes mention of Reptilians. i'd take this article with a grain of salt.
And what Icke says on reptilians should not be dismissed. They are mentioned in all lore, in all religions, and in much of history. And most people who have done DMT have seen reptilians.

Many people who have seen reptilians have never taken any drugs. [Mod hat on: please stop promoting this.]

***

Do listen to this impromptu recording of a conversation about reptilians between David Icke and Jordan Maxwell. I was having lunch with them, in June 2010, and happened to have my dictaphone in my pocket. I quickly placed it on the table and captured this very important witness testimony.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Icke_...n_May_2010.mp3

21 mins. MUST LISTEN. If you're not sure about the reptilian reality, you're unlikely to be in much more doubt after listening to these accounts.

Phenomenal conversation..... Thank you Bill.

[Star1111]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)
My advice is not to promote the Daily Mail one bit.

This paper is a nasty, racist, dis-info spreading rag that has angered so many over the last 12 months it is unbelievable how it is still allowed to continue.
The official complaints that have been slapped on the table of the press complaints, The Senedd & The Westminster government only to be laughed at, is insulting to say the least.

An official boycott was called several months back & is fully supported by the likes of Balchder Cymru, Cymru Rydd & others.

May I suggest that others also take this stance.

Its not just the Daily Mail Bryn - its the media in general
I choose to read, hear and view what I want in order to make a considered opinion about what the awakened and the non-awakened are imparting.
That way I can make MY own mind up as to what is true and not true................. for me.

[seantimberwolf]

The only thing to be believed about those "papers" is the price i would not even believe the date, lol
David has always resonated with me and i think many of you will agree, fact is the women in question does have a questionable past and connections and ANYONE of weak mind can become a puppet for the dark ones at anytime, the idea is repugnant to us, but we are of not weak mind friends.
They have tried to slander David since day one, but i firmly believe that David was chosen due to his fame at the time, it makes it harder to get rid of him.
And as for the Wogan incident i think it was very smart of David to do that, by going onto live television and announcing is he was challenging TPTB to call his bluff and try somthing because now the world knew, and trying to kill him would have cemented his accusations.

But i thank the universe for David and his approachable attitude towards this subject, if i am on a mission to "turn" someone to our cause i first point them in Davids direction.
Love to you David and my friends on here

[Ecnal61]

i read the article about david icke in the daily mail and within the first few lines it was apparent that it was just another uninformed character assassination.David has rattled a lot of cages and continues to expose the reality of our world to more and more people and i guess this is there way of biting back at him.for my money icke rocks.

[Star1111]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Yes Jenci, as Sherlock Holmes said to Watson, Once you remove the impossible, what you are left with however improbable must be the truth,
BTW Sherlock Holmes came from Edinburgh. He was related to my grandfather.

Stan

PS There is a huge statue of Sherlock in Edinburgh city centre outside the pub the Arthur Conan Doyle.

Aranuk - Sherlock Holmes is a fictional detective created by Scottish author and physician Sir Arthur Conan Doyle............... so how can he be related to your Grandfather????

sorry to go off topic

[9eagle9]

Until some creates a Carrot Cult and then the carrot will be a nugget and the peas will be a steeple.

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
They are severe mixed in the tin can, but I still know that the small cubic, orange

ones are called carrots and the small round green ones are called peas. Right? LOL

[Ria]

I saw T V documentary on David Icke some years ago . Which included his new wife to quite an-extent, and his first wife and children.
Now his second[soon tobe divorced] I did not like one little bit. She appeared to be pretty and sweet so my rational mind could not see what the problem was other than, I wonted to brush her away like an unwonted fly. My guts said NO.
Now Linda,[ first wife] I really did like her, there was such a good feeling about her, I was thinking what a twit for messing that up, we do not always see, how lucky we are at the time. Linda showed her self, to be very congenial, and handling a situation most people simply could not, and a good mother to boot. Linda spirit impressed me greatly, and that she was David's greatest ally, and how they worked together on their MISSON was well noted.

[truth4me]

David Icke resonates with me also. I do also believe the reptilian agenda is real and as I've stated before in previous posts that I've seen them,the reptilians and the greys, in my astral projections more then once. When I went through my bitter divorce about 14 years ago my ex-wife lied a number of times. She told people she had custody of our kids when all along I had full custody. There are 2 sides to any story but as I said David resonates with me and until he says something that doesn't resonate I'll keep listening to him.....

[Russ1959]

Awesome interview Bill, although, I will think twice now before opening my walk in wardrobe after dark!

Gave me the heebie jeebies!

[9eagle9]

It is not a difficult subject , we make it diffcult. We have to create something it..It takes five minutes to put a person in that place that you refer to by..... keeping it simple...if they are willing.

. Just put them there and let them know it.

People who are seeking something to fill the empty space inside are not going to be tempted by no-thing. Nothing. That is what they percieve they have already. That filter of no-thing is how appealing? That is filter creation on it's own. If we step back from our filters and our beliefs that no-thing that you speak of just starts expressing like one breathes. Get all this gobbedly gook crap out of the way takes the lid off.

Then no name is required for it. For one's self. We are not working in that level of expression though, we working here in the physical expression and that is why we attempt to keep our common field of perception as common as possible.

That is simply one's higher expression (above consciousness) and its all-things. All things, everything--here, now, then, in the futre and that which has been thought of. Or created.

If we squeeze into people's filters and know what they are seeking are we going to find . No-thing? That doesn't sound the least bit appealing to those who are seeking something. Nor me because my higher expression is many many things. All things.

In this vane of thinking I could call my mare a cow and perhaps I can think i can go out and milk her this afternoon. But another level of my experence, in my all things, my horse sense, tells me that chances are my physical expression will be kicked in the teeth.

I am willing to wager that we are not going to find the desire for no-thing in a lot of people. That is creating a language barrier. Then we can tell them they seeking oblvion? Conscious provides that already. Chances are we are going to find the desire to fill the empty space for some-things, then the notion of all things becomes a reality. Not a thought. This how we give people a chance, instead of raising the bar on them constantly. Access to multi levels of expression and experience beyond what conscious can think up. Just put them there and let them know it.

I know people like to be percieved as doing the impossible, and the difficult and only a 'few people can get' what everyone has.... and the unknown and mysterious but it's really not..Chances are someone has already beat us to the punch.

Of course no one is going to get it if the bar and the language is constantly being raised.

What you are referring to has already been named in various ways. The Native Canadian Cree nation called it the Before the Before. It's just an expression of one's essential nature.

We are given words for consciousness to use for our physical experience which is just one level of expression. Its not difficult or impossible. Creating more difficulty around it is what makes it difficult. Higher expression gives one the appropriate precision of speech to be able to express things that conscious mind must make up. It's unlimited, its all things, so it farily handy at finding words to make itself known. Being all things it cannot be limited and certain language barriers are not problem for it. Consciousness is a barrier it must work through. If our Conscious state is focused on beliefs, new languages to support our new thought, filters, ideas, emotional pain, mental pain, it becomes lost in all the noise. Knowing this, why do we create more?

Posted by Jenci (here)
Hi 9eagle9

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You are insisting that conscious is the correct word.

No I am not saying that. This is a difficult subject to grasp so it is easy to be misunderstood.....I'll shall try again to illustrate what I am saying, hopefully it may help.

Why? Why can't it be named. We are all powerful and infinite, right? But we can't find a name in that all empowering infinity? Lol.

In the context that you have described it, we have consciousness. Consciousness can come and go and has different levels or aspects to it. All of this consciousness is seen from awareness.

So here we have two things - awareness being aware of consciousness (and everything contained in it - people, places, things, thoughts, emotions, etc etc.)

But something is prior to awareness which is not a thing - no-thing.

This no-thing cannot be named because it is prior to awareness, consciousness and everthing else. Even words arise within it, so therefore are secondary to it - what is prior to all.

Any word or a name we use is dependent on the no-thing to exist, so therefore cannot be the no-thing.
So this is why, we cannot name what we are referring to.

When a person moves beyond consciousness and awareness to realise the no-thing, then the words 'consciousness' and 'awareness', are seen as irrelevant. In other words, neither of them are more important than the other for a person to realise the no-thing. At best, all the words can do is serve as signpost, pointing to the no-thing, prior to everything.

All of us view life through filters of our conditioning, ideas, thoughts, beliefs so when a teacher introduces us to the idea of 'awareness' or 'consciousness', regardless of what our teacher means, our filters may distort the words to mean something else. There's nothing wrong in this but what it will mean is some people will resonate with the idea of 'awareness' which you talked about and get what it is about and for other people it will make no sense.......and yet the word 'consciousness' may trigger some deeper understanding for them which means they become "aware".

And this is why teachers will use many words to point to what they are talking about. It's got nothing to do with a new age conspiracy to deceive (although I am in agreement here that there is a big one!).

These words may be interchanged if necessary. For example an individual may come to a real understanding of experiencing awareness but get stuck there, so the word consciousness or nothingness or emptiness could be introduced to help them move on by getting them to the realisation that awareness is not "it", not the Ultimate Reality, so keep going.

Jeanette

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is not a difficult subject , we make it diffcult.

Right -- you can't use mind to grasp mind, so better instead to look at the source of confusion, which is preference, ie likes and dislikes, the chronic cycle of craving and aversion, the true disease of the mind. Really, who cares if we cuddle our low level concepts in cute costumes like "awareness", "consciousness", or "Bobo the Clown"? We are here right now experiencing dukkha, dis-satisfaction. What is the root of our dis-satisfaction? Is it a verbal confusion? No, it's a confusion of identity. We don't know what we are, and the intellect is not going to sort it out for us, because the intellect typically assures us that we are the body. A lot of good that does us. Sure, somewhere along the line, we may by Grace be granted some insight that we are more than the body, but if we get stuck trying to package that insight into some verbal category like awareness, consciousness, mind, or whatever, then we are already miles away from the truth. We need to burn up our thinking, our modes of belief, and discard all preconceptions and symbolic language games, if we truly want to taste the water for ourselves, and see if it is warm or cold, bitter or sweet.

[9eagle9]

Yes 'we are the body' is the a top knotch trap. We are attached to things of the physical and when we become dis-satified we create new things of the body ..to eventually become disatisfied with....lol. Belief hopping, and creation of new things to keep the mind tied up. We are not are minds, though we are much greater than the mind.

So much more behind the mind.

Shamans often express their shamanism as 'losing the mind'.

My girlfriend refers to it as the back of the head place,.

If what Jenci says is true then Icke should be presenting his material to that small select set of 'in the know' people. But reality checque tells us that there are more people still in the dark because their minds are tied up in all this dis-satisfactory creation so the moment of awareness is just lost in the noise.

But clarification of mind vs awareness helps people to know what Icke is telling them. To have that expressed through them.

When a person is put into their awareness and this can be done in five minutes they then are expercieing it and are tempted to find out what more lies within and beond that present awareness. Then the higher expression begins showing them. No more teaching, or telling is necessary. Two step process. I noted in another thread kids get this so easily, snap snap snap snap. So easily they just go there, to that unfiltered place. Marvels of dimension straddling, kids are.

When that happens though, the unfilttered place takes over eventually and --spiritual teachers are no longer required

[another bob]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
When a person is put into their awareness and this can be done in five minutes they then are expercieing it and are tempted to find out what more lies within and beond that present awareness.

Here's a quick one: Go to the link http://netinetifilms.com/ and look down at the bottom right side of the page. There is a line saying: Experience a guided meditation. Click on that bar.

[Star Tsar]

Posted by Wormhole (here)
I have the deepest respect for Icke. I am sorry that he is going though this, however he's a tough cookie. I have little respect for someone who airs personal laundry out to dry while posing in a flouncy blue dress... Very poor taste on her part. Very sad. Perhaps he should have waited for the mauve dress after all.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole you took the words right out of my mouth!
David if you read these forums chin up you'll get through it STRONGER...

[9eagle9]

A question that may be more easily managed by taking away ..filters, beliefs, thoughts,ideas, feelings etc and tackeling that from a place of what is leftover after all those have been subtracted. Or perhaps looking at it from a standpoint of what conscious is not.

Every mother has experienced for herself the difference between knowing and thinking. Mother's intuition. And maybe that is why women have kids ...lol....to have that experience of pure knowing rather than dependance on conscious thought.

I don't like to leave men out but I can't go there (not having the current experience of masculinity) and I personally think they are a different species so the same may not apply

Posted by Carmody (here)
define: "Conscious".

Aye.....there's the rub.

[BestLion]

I have a few Q? This girl of the air force officer.if she seen a reptilian do we have photos of the door? We need evidence to prove this.I am sure reptilians are real but I cant buy into hearsay. This story i can not but think is real...too far fetched.. I need to build a case. Not to go alone by what one man says 'ran from a cafe cause someone said in his mind he is in danger" Been down that road before. Nothing in that 21 minute interview convinced me of reptilians. Zero...but i dont dismiss them..I think they are very real. And they are inter dimensional. Stories are nice but they prove very little.Real yes...but his story aint cutting it for me...
We have 6+ billion people on earth yet Mr Maxwell is one out of a billion who seen them..not here to discredit the guy but...I need more then what he 'says'that 21 minute interview did nothing for me...I need more to build a case.
With that said these reptilian race are real....too much evidence to support it...but Mr Maxwell is not the best spokesman about it.
I know a 9 year old kid here in UA that seen reptilians..and I take him as true..Mr Maxwell..I dont know..His stories dont line up with what I interviewed or have read from history.