David Icke 2012

[Earth Angel]

I love you Bill ! Well said!

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Star1111 (here)
It could be a 'story' from a woman scorned (hell hath no fury)

It is.

Posted by Star1111 (here)
or there could be some truth in it.

There is not.

Posted by Star1111 (here)
Truth or fiction, I don't really care.

Maybe you should.

[TargeT]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Until we learn the difference we are going to keep focusing on consciousness instead of awareness and we just pushing against that boulder. We are not able to see that difference inside of us yet. What we focus on, is what is built--consciousness expansion. What is really productive is to be getting back to awareness. Consciousness expansion creates more density for the awareness or higher expression to have to work through...to the point we barely notice it never mind noticing the difference between the two.

Excellent post!

Care to elaborate on ideas in which we can "get back to awareness"?

I am sure many of us could learn a thing or two on your enunciated distinction between "consiousness" and "awareness".

Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.
Arithmatic, Geometry, Music, Astronomy

The seven liberal arts teach you how to think in an ordered way, its a system to FORCE awareness of reality; it is just a method to proccess information; but that's all we really do in this exsistance, proccess inputs (from our 5 known senses & the unknown sources).

Grammar is first for a very important reason, & we are seeing it played out here:

Conciousness vr Awareness

Conciousness is not a simple word, not an easy thing to understand & I don't feel that we truely do understand it fully even now

kŏn'shəs-nĭs)
n.
The state or condition of being conscious.
A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group: Love of freedom runs deep in the national consciousness.

Special awareness or sensitivity: class consciousness; race consciousness.
Alertness to or concern for a particular issue or situation: a movement aimed at raising the general public's consciousness of social injustice.
In psychoanalysis, the conscious.

http://www.answers.com/topic/consciousness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness



Aware(ness)

(ə-wâr')
adj.
Having knowledge or cognizance: aware of the difference between the two versions; became aware of faint sound.
Archaic. Vigilant; watchful.

http://www.answers.com/topic/aware


Always start with Grammar.. the difference in concious & aware seems small at first glance; Awareness however clearly indicates decision, discernment.. comparison of duality, it represents a unit of "mental work" one could say.

Conciousness is not so really describing a proccess, more a "state of being" or "what is"... I would not call it a "unit of mental work".

anyway, there's my first brush stroke on the comparison, I'm sure it could be expanded on.

how do you become more aware? Look at what is right infront of you then decide to do something with it would be a good first step


Edit:Woops, meant to hit submit on this post last weekend... haha this post is pretty out of sync with the conversation.. looks like i have some catching up todo


Edit#2:

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
This is how humanity has been decieved making what we know into something different creating false standards for people to attempt to step up to.

We know this....then the first authority that stumbles in with a new language --we just give up what we know in favor a new language that 'seemingly' makes things what they really are not.

This is why I think the 7 libral arts are not taught anywhere but "ivy league" schools, knowledge hidden in plain site again.

Language is a vicious trap, its our cruch for what we think is the only way (or main way) to communicate with others; I often compare German & Germany to English and the USA.

German is a very precice language & it seems to be shown in the products produced & the peoples

English is a confusing language, it doesnt really follow any rules & as soon as you find a patern you find several exceptoins for it.. and what do the english speaking people do?

the UK & america seem the perfect examples of "english"

[Black Panther]

I you are a fan of The Bold & The Beautiful you like this 'article' too.
They can't get him out of the way, but they keep trying.

There is a reaction on www.davidicke.com:
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/5...rk-of-fiction-

[Jenci]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is not a difficult subject , we make it diffcult. We have to create something it..It takes five minutes to put a person in that place that you refer to by..... keeping it simple...if they are willing.

. Just put them there and let them know it.

People who are seeking something to fill the empty space inside are not going to be tempted by no-thing. Nothing. That is what they percieve they have already.

Well this is true. I can't see how the idea of no-thing is appealing. And I can't say it took 5 minutes for me, so I will be selling it even less when I say this has taken 2 years and the process is still revealing itself, ever deepening.

2 years to get to what I already was in the first place? Sounds crazy really, perhaps it sounds like I am making it difficult but I just speak the truth as to how it has been for me.

The burning off of the stuff which was in the way has not been easy, its been very difficult at times and it has been very hard work and time consuming ....but it also has been a very beautiful experience and looking back now, I wouldn't have had it any other way.

In fact, what I know now about what I truly am, I understand that all of this was supposed to happened. I'm actually in this human body at this time to experience human existence. This is the purpose of this 'life' for me - to taste this.

As I said, it's a slow process but I am not inclined to rush it along. Perhaps I am not just ready to be Home just yet.
Jeanette

[meeradas]

Posted by Jenci (here)
2 years to get to what I already was in the first place?
Sounds crazy really, perhaps it sounds like I am making it difficult but I just speak the truth as to how it has been for me.

Yes, it sounds crazily little time to 'get it'.

Just how fortunate are you, Jenci?!

I'm in it a coupla decades now, and i still haven't 'got it'...

[says who]

[Jenci]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
When a person is put into their awareness and this can be done in five minutes they then are expercieing it and are tempted to find out what more lies within and beond that present awareness.

Here's a quick one: Go to the link http://netinetifilms.com/ and look down at the bottom right side of the page. There is a line saying: Experience a guided meditation. Click on that bar.

That's a coincidence ...or not....I was just watching this man last night.

I didn't know about that website though and the meditation. Thanks for the link, Bob.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

Posted by meeradas (here)

Posted by Jenci (here)
2 years to get to what I already was in the first place?
Sounds crazy really, perhaps it sounds like I am making it difficult but I just speak the truth as to how it has been for me.

Yes, it sounds crazily little time to 'get it'.

Just how fortunate are you, Jenci?!

I'm in it a coupla decades now, and i still haven't 'got it'...

[says who]

LOL, perhaps I have got further to go than I thought of then. Let's hope the world doesn't end this year before I get there....and I don't lose my sense of humour
Jeanette

[meeradas]

Posted by Jenci (here)
[...] lose my sense of humour

You're past the point of no return, so that's totally impossible.

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by meeradas (here)

Posted by Jenci (here)
[...] lose my sense of humour

You're past the point of no return, so that's totally impossible.

Correct, when the poison has entered, thats it. LOL

[Anchor]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Until the day we all can speak another non verbal language to each other I guess we'll have to make do by not screwing the verbal one we are currently depending on too much.

This is one area where I always seem to fall on forums.

On a forum words are all we have, yet many things we try to talk about don't have good words for them - not in English anyway.

So if say you know the Sanskrit alternatives, you can try that but what is the point if most of your readers don't know WTF that means or just assume you are a pretentious, arrogant, a--hole.

Then there are those words that seem to rely on context - like "love and light" and other such words that have been layered in ambiguity (on purpose probably by you know who).

What we really need is as 9eagle9 says - telepathy. Or an appropriate DEAD language that doesn't keep frikking changing and is equipped with the necessary vocabulary.

I have had holes blown in some of my posts here and there because I was careless and assumed too much about the context factor. I don't mind so much, there is always the opportunity to clarify and learn better ways of expressing an idea.

If it was easy, it would not offer so much

[Anchor]

... and another thing.

This thread has been the best read for me for a long time.

I am reminded in many ways why a certain famous bloke from Nazareth chose to teach people in parables.

I mean can you imagine him on a forum?

LOL

[meeradas]

Posted by Anchor (here)
I mean can you imagine him on a forum?

Absolutely.

[another bob]

Posted by Jenci (here)
Here's a quick one: Go to the link http://netinetifilms.com/ and look down at the bottom right side of the page. There is a line saying: Experience a guided meditation. Click on that bar.



That's a coincidence ...or not....I was just watching this man last night.

At first things may seem to be coincidental, but at some point down the road, the synchronicity of unity consciousness becomes more the perception than not, and the reason for this is, our eyesight is clearing up, and we are beginning to see how things really are, but that's also where any words we could possibly cough up simply no longer apply. Moreover, that's also illusion -- just a finer aspect of the production, brought to us by our clearing eyesight. When things totally clear up, however, nobody's saying a damn thing -- the crickets are far too captivating, and we've un-said ourselves!

[Kristin]

I just wanted to step in and say that this is a beautiful thread. Not only have I enjoyed the experience of looking into the definitions of "Consciousness and Awareness" pertaining to my own experiences of the "All", but also I have deeply respected the way that Jenci and 9eagle9 conduct themselves with each other. Each aware and conscious of the other. Graceful.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Ps, lest I forget Another Bob! LOL

[Kristin]

Posted by BestLion (here)
I have a few Q? This girl of the air force officer.if she seen a reptilian do we have photos of the door? We need evidence to prove this.I am sure reptilians are real but I cant buy into hearsay. This story i can not but think is real...too far fetched.. I need to build a case. Not to go alone by what one man says 'ran from a cafe cause someone said in his mind he is in danger" Been down that road before. Nothing in that 21 minute interview convinced me of reptilians. Zero...but i dont dismiss them..I think they are very real. And they are inter dimensional. Stories are nice but they prove very little.Real yes...but his story aint cutting it for me...
We have 6+ billion people on earth yet Mr Maxwell is one out of a billion who seen them..not here to discredit the guy but...I need more then what he 'says'that 21 minute interview did nothing for me...I need more to build a case.

Best Lion,
I understand your dissatisfaction. That would be one of the reasons that we are all here, to look for profs of what we have seen or of what we suspect. To try to connect the experiences with a tangible reference. This is very difficult when dealing with multi dimensional beings. One thing we have going for us is the ability to become multi dimensional ourselves, though this does not extend to tangible prof in the three D that we are physical in; to public extents.

Then we have to look at the evidence through examination of archeology, science, societies, black budgets, etc. It is only when we trace and examine the physical experiences of those who are communicating and are in communion with these forces that we are left to reconcile the object truth of the situation. Thus exploration of secret societies that are communicating with these entities become our best point of reference... This in it's very nature creates a dangerous experience, as these societies by their very nature do not want to be discovered and deal with objective questioning... so they create a reverberating social ridicule to all those who would get near. This psychology extends itself to the UFO phenomenon, beliefs in existence outside the body, esoteric teachings, and the like.

Thus it is by design that these profs are not witnessed by the population in general, and hence (since these subjects are all related) we are left to carry the weight of our knowledge and suspicions with us. If we choose to risk the fury of those who would keep us in the dark, we may find potential truths. I wish you well on your search and feel that you are in the right place to ask these questions.

A honourable goal of humanity would be to demand these truths be revealed. At least then we could walk into our future with the full context of knowing and be better able to create our world and manifest choices we need in our lives to live in a state of awareness of the consequences of our own actions.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[charlesfrith]

I'm not familiar with these MP3 recordings and I've really enjoyed the last two recommendations from Bill. If anyone else has top recommendations. I' be grateful to receive your tips. (I'm most interested in the alien/ET/abduction stuff but not exclusively if it's a great interview). Many thanks. Charles/Bangkok

[Dawn]

I have had direct personal experience with 4 reptilians. The first 2 were a husband and wife team who were in the position of directors of the Berkeley Psychic Institute in San Jose, California. They appeared to be very obese and disheveled, which kept most people from looking at them for any length of time. The purpose of this organization was to support people in developing their clairvoyance. When my 3rd eye opened fully, I saw that the human bodies they wore were simply holographic mental projections. I never confronted them, I was too shocked. I left, and did not return. I don't know if they were trying to help (I've heard that some reptilians are trying to undo damage here on the planet and have the interests of humanity in mind, while others don't). They might just as well have been in a position to stop those who actually could develop clairvoyance.

After my 3rd eye opened fully, I saw quite a few things that my mind was not ready to cope with yet. A great deal of fear came up for me, and it took many years to become comfortable with what I am aware of.

Later I saw 2 psychiatric doctors who appeared to be human. They also had holographic human bodies, or were able to project that impression into the minds of the humans around them. It was my clear understanding that they used their positions to watch for those who were clairvoyant, label them as mental patients, and medicate them to shut down their ability to see.

They definitely do walk among us, just as in the movie, "They Live", however I don't know of any magic glasses that allow us to see them. It seems to take a healthy pineal, and open energy channels to awaken it, to be able to see them clearly. They look exactly like 7 or 8 ft tall lizards standing on their hind feet. It also takes a steady mind and firm control of the emotional body to be able to retain the ability to see. There is a deep desire in the human mind not to know, because the knowledge is not comforting.

One more 2nd hand story. This is from Juliet and Jiva of TheTemplate.org...... They had just hiked to the peak of a small mountain in Hawaii. At the top they met a bicycler who greeted them before riding back down the trail they came from. While meditating and enjoying the view another 'man' approached wearing the same bicycling outfit as the earlier cyclist they had spoken to. However this man did not have a bike, but was on foot, and something about him did not seem right. He began a stilted conversation that mirrored what the other cyclist had said, yet this conversation was out of place. He seemed to notice that they were not totally buying his play-pretend game, and he kept reaching down to his waist to fiddle with a machine that was strapped to a belt there. Juliet is clairvoyant and clearly saw this 'man' was actually a reptilian. Something about the box was hypnotic, and Juliet and Jiva began to walk as though under hypnosis, towards the edge of the cliff top. They both tried, yet were unable to stop their bodies from walking towards the 'man' and the cliff edge. Suddenly a black helicopter came up from below the cliff, and the reptilians in it beckoned them to get in. They were both terrified, however they had begun to mentally chant together, 'I am the light, love is my protection'. Suddenly they found themselves walking down the trail together away from the helicopter. The helicopter kept flying back and forth in a search pattern with the occupants peering carefully at the mountain where they had been. Jiva and Juliet realized, through a number of experiences on the way home, that they had somehow gone into another frequency where they could see the reptilians, yet could not be seen by them. To this day, the idea of these beings causes a deep sense of fear in them.

Also... for a number of years they lived in Bali. There in the remote villages surrounded by lush tropical growth, abduction of women is not uncommon. The Balinese say the reptilians steal them to experiment with inter-species breeding programs. A number of cross bred reptilian/human children, who are failures and deformed, are dropped off near villages by the reptilians, where the villagers care for them with compassion. Jiva and Juliet saw 2 of these half breeds and believe the story is highly plausible. Their story is contained in Juliet's book, Original Innocense: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Innoc...6184066&sr=1-5

[BestLion]

Thanks Dawn for sharing this story, I enjoy to hear these, and the stories over at David Ickes site..it does help me understand more about the reptilians and build a case.
In my study of ancient history I come to the conclusion that several ancient peoples all over the world have described reptilian beings, who are often, but not always, hostile to human beings. Almost all Native American tribe refer to them also. The Hopi tell of a race who live in the ground 'Serpent Brothers". Sioux means "snakes", as another tribe, the Iroquois, means "serpents".
I think we should not dismiss reptilians. Too much about them. And they don't seem to be for us..The seem to be humans adversaries.

[Tony]

WE ARE BEYOND CONSCIOUSNESS.

Absolute truth has to stand up to the absolute closest unbiased scrutiny.
The answer that is being offered is so simple and so subtle that it is easily missed, unless you have asked questions.

The question is, “What drives those who think that they drive the planet?”
The answer is that it is the same force that drives us!
The beings who think they are in charge are being driven by the same force: it is Consciousness!

This will probably sound surprising. There are two forces in this universe - enlightened and endarkened. It's ok to call them positive and negative. The endarkened forces one could call “demons”, and they know all about consciousness. Consciousness is in all sentient beings. It is ego...it's all about clinging to me! However, this is not at all bad news, because being aware of the demons will be of help on our journey. The dark and the light forces can be made to work together, much to the dismay of the dark...they cannot help themselves.

We are Beyond Consciousness, this is where we are - naturally.

Our being has three elements to it.
It is Conscious and it is Pure.
The outcome of this unity of consciousness and purity is unconfined capacity (Compassion).
“Pure” is sometimes translated as Empty essence. This Emptiness has qualities of lucidity, and is untainted, non-fabricated clarity.

Beyond consciousness is Emptiness.
There are two truths - relative and absolute. The seeming and the real.
Consciousness is relative truth and Emptiness is absolute truth.
We have to know how to dance with these two truths.
We could say we need to learn how to utilise the negative and the positive in the universe.
That does not mean that one is right and the other wrong: it is just how it is.
It's only when we conceptually fixate on the positive and negative that judgements take place, and then we create good and bad.

The 'elite' are driven, and cannot understand Emptiness!
The proof of this lies within ourselves.
Now we have to test this out.
Consciousness is to do with being aware - aware of attraction and repulsion. It is to do with perceiver and perceived, this and that, duality. It is not Pure Perception!
The elite - and our own consciousness – are exaggerated manifestations of ego.
They cannot understand how everyone cannot want everything, because consciousness believes everything to be real.
Emptiness just has no place in conceptual mind.
When we are controlled or driven by our fixations, we too lose all sense of our pure natural state - our lucid clear light!

This is where I may sound a little unconventional...and I am slightly reluctant to suggest this...

We do not have an original thought in our heads. They have all been placed there.
However, we do have free will, and can join up the dots in our own unique way - or just let the thoughts be.
This is equivalent to analytical meditation and pure meditation. Both are necessary.

We are being transmitted to all the time, by both enlightened beings and endarkened beings.
If I were an enlightened being, I'd be wishing you enlightenment all the time and sending out silent blessings to you. There is no special 'time' - you just have to open your door, but unfortunately the door is closed because of strongly held onto concepts.
However, the endarkened messages get through because they are so seductive, telling you that you are already one with the universe, so you don't have to do anything. It's a seductive message. They want us to stay in ignorance.

Learning is painful. We have a lot to cut through, but it is not doom and gloom.
The evil that is creating fear actually helps to intensify the path and lights it up. The more seriously we take this, the more we can have compassion for everyone around us: it becomes like a symbolic teacher, and in some strange way, it also becomes less “serious” because we clearly see what is going on.

Through meditation, we learn not to react, and therefore don't conform to their mind games.
We must learn to stop holding on to the thoughts that are placed in our minds: we believe that these thoughts are 'us' – which they clearly are not.

Remember: empty essence cannot be destroyed. No thing can have an effect on emptiness.

Once we experience the spaciousness and confidence of what we truly are, we start to become healthy human beings who can empathise with how others might feel, because we have all been there.

Meditation and a clear quiet mind is the key to knowing.
Concepts cannot be eliminated with another concept.
We are beyond consciousness.


All the best
Tony

[ponda]

Documentary from David Icke from when he visited the Occupy Wall Street movement recently.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=99nvx3m2fbQ

https://youtube.com/watch?v=99nvx3m2fbQ