Here and Now...What's Happening?

[9eagle9]

I'm starting vaulting this year with the girls. Which means I have to do it too. I have picked a arab/halflinger mix , that is low to the ground to conduct this insanity of gymnastics on horseback. ...lol. It will be good for them to be like little spider monkeys while thier instructor is being trampled..lol.

I have been doing older adult sessions for those returning to riding or those who are older and just learning. Thus far the only problem I've encountered with falling off is with the green riders who purchase maniacal green broke horses and wonder why their fifty year old bodies are being slammed to the ground. ...lol.Those older gals returning ot riding know to just pick the right horse and their fine.

I want to get in to driving too. I haven't nearly approached my limits as far pushing my body and I left falling off to my younger , crazy self but who knows what the future will bring. Right now everyone at the barn is waiting for me to take my first fall( there) and it's just not going to happen . Nope no thanks , grounds too hard. I still want ride the freight train though, the 17. 2stadium jumper that you can't stop once put in motion. I know what its going to do to me if I go down so I'm like....okay easily solved... just don't fall off. I really am trusting my body again, and this has even showed me a lot about body image. My body can do some amazing things , in spite of it all and showed me to be kinder in attitude with it. My body is doing something that only 3 percent of the world can do...so I had to be kinder to it instead of yarking on about what it looks like.

Maybe not under estimate yourself. You may do well a nice perky horse that you didn't have to leg on constantly but that was steady and well trained. The body just goes back to that balance place so easily even after decades of not riding. Once the stiffness goes anyway...Even when the well trained horse does the occasional bomb out, the good old cellular memory kicks in and compensates. That's where age and experience has served us. Once every loopy range of motion has unseated us, 1,2,3 times its not going to do it again.

Posted by write4change (here)
Breakfast with Ulli,

Staggered up in time for no accidents in the house before the walk. Kimba has learned that she gets to go back to the house as soon as she does her duty. Thus, she is now prompt and the walk is about 15 feet. She needs me. I guess that was always a consideration because she is so different that no one has fostered her in six months. I am not sure about this rescue--how profit making they are. They talk all the time about being understaffed. My big question that I have not voiced is why with so many homeless dogs in this country are we flying in foreign dogs. What is it about Americans that taking care of our own is not as up lifting as taking care of the exotic. And Oprah is a fine example of that. Once she said that Americans have no gratitude only entitlement. Is that thought something we manifest everywhere.

Coming back in the house I make my tea and start Uli in the morning. Everything about that has worked for me in the last week. I thanked a lot of people this morning with no results. I kept getting a weird triangle on the screen. Turns out I was disconnected because the cat decided to sleep on the roter?

When I move back to Texas, I will get into carriage horses this time. I am too old to fall off a horse any more. And I may need like in the old days horses to plow and pull as much as transportation. 9eagle I loved your explanation of falling I wished I had thought of it. For my daughter it was not an issue because she started gymnastics at two. No one I know thinks of cross training with jumpers as gymnastics but balance beam work and dismounting gave my daughter a sense of her body and timing none of the others had. When she started riding and jumping at 11, she had the timing and when her balance came really off she would do a running dismount. At a major horse show, and she had not been competing 4 months. Someone cut her stirrups. After the second jump, they fell off. She pulled him up and gathered herself and completed the round without faults with no stirrups. She got a standing ovation. All that did was take her riding knowledge and confidence up another notch. My daughter Maxx was an incredibile rider. Just before she died, she was the youngest jumper on the youngest horse and without even considering campaigning yet--she ranked 18 in the entire state of Texas. As long as she was alive, I stayed on the ground. I did not want to compete with her in anyway. After she died, I kept her horses and her two Picasso and Mighty Max were both state champions in California. In fact I hold the amateur jumper title for the years 97,98,99, 2000. I don't know how long someone will take to break that record at the Pacific Coast Horse Association. Before me, two consecutive years was the most ever done.

[write4change]

1inMany,

This was very good and I will get back on it later tonight but I have to get out of here and get some work done today.

However the best thing you could do is rush right out and buy the Mother Earth News Magazine which has an offer inside to buy a DVD for 40.00 which has their entire publications for the last 40 years. There has to be a reason they are doing this, not that much money in it. Everything you will ever need to know will be there. I am getting one soon. I have kept lots of their magazines and I have loved and cherished everyone. Here in California I buy them at Home Depot. It is also called the Original Guide to Living Wisely.

I am so thrilled for you. Jai

I know where you are and where you are is where I will be going approximately soon. It would be interesting if we turned out to be practically neighbors.

[9eagle9]

Yes I understand free will.


People misunderstanding what free will entails is part of the problem.

People are making choices that are hurting them, and then blaming others for staying in that choice, instead of just getting out of the agreement they've made. That's not free will.


The point is. Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work.

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

If someone is reacting to wounds ....they don't have free will. We don't know what free will is til we heal ourselves. If we are in states of auto-hypnosis....we don't have free will.

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Carmody is right. But...It wouldn't make me uncomfortable Cal I know very well the challenges I've had to overcome. Very deeply wounded, very abusive home life, lots of mental insanity in my early life, ess , ego-tism, destruction, vengefulness, disconnected from reality, hyper critical , perfectionst, lost in idealism, withdrawn, aloof. I've shared a lot of those personal experiences with the internal struggle with people. I've had people get in a wad for sharing those experienes and I have people who think I don't share that sort of information because it makes me uncomfortable.

It causes conflict. Everyone wants to hear about it and no one wants to hear about it.

And that's great that my chart shows all those challenges but when that chart doesn't support the notion that I'm mean, warlike, tough love., and a Neptuna ..what will we do then?

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Ulli, that's whose post I quoted. Or maybe she didn't.

Regardless....

Posting my astrology chart would probably lead to more mayhem and bad feelings .

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You forgot.

"You" in reference to whom???

Sorry ... my mind is still a bit fuzzy after all those swoops.


I put up my chart (data) for all to see.

Would love to see what such an uber advanced soul as yourself came into the rock with ...

Or is that a one way mirror???

9 you were one of my first "friends" here ... and I don't mean that in respect to a mouse click.

Tough love ... this is *me* trying to remind you that I do, in fact, love you.

Hey I have fights on (rare) occasion with my wife. You (I think) said you were divorced? I love my wife more than ever. You and I as friends can certainly have disagreements and still respect each other. You don't need to "reveal" your chart if it makes you uncomfortable. For astrologers (me only a hobbiest) it helps to understand people. As Carmody suggests not a good idea to plop it out in public as there are some who will take advantage of it.

Not me ... not the village.

You are most welcome here provided we all share the peace and love of the village.

Not hard to understand. Doesn't take 5000 word post to convey.

Right???

Come in peace.

Aside from me and my 5 libra slant ... no one here is kicking you in the butt.

Well ... at least those only taking into account what happens here in this forum and not others.

The Pisces victim role is "new" for you here. I won't discount it or in any way take away from your story.

We are all one (one shape or form).

There is no way I or anyone could walk through what your past experiences have brought. If it, in fact, has brought you into a space of higher learning then we can all accept and appreciate that.

Please remember and respect that when you come from a voice of experience and knowledge ... we all have free will and (rightfully or not) have room to offer up other voices as well. No judgement or suggestion of right or wrong. Free will.

In your loss of respect for "love and light" (and I can understand certain aspects of that) ... do you not still recognize free will???

[ulli]

Posted by write4change (here)
Breakfast with Ulli,

Staggered up in time for no accidents in the house before the walk. Kimba has learned that she gets to go back to the house as soon as she does her duty. Thus, she is now prompt and the walk is about 15 feet. She needs me. I guess that was always a consideration because she is so different that no one has fostered her in six months. I am not sure about this rescue--how profit making they are. They talk all the time about being understaffed. My big question that I have not voiced is why with so many homeless dogs in this country are we flying in foreign dogs. What is it about Americans that taking care of our own is not as up lifting as taking care of the exotic. And Oprah is a fine example of that. Once she said that Americans have no gratitude only entitlement. Is that thought something we manifest everywhere.

Coming back in the house I make my tea and start Uli in the morning. Everything about that has worked for me in the last week. I thanked a lot of people this morning with no results. I kept getting a weird triangle on the screen. Turns out I was disconnected because the cat decided to sleep on the roter?

When I move back to Texas, I will get into carriage horses this time. I am too old to fall off a horse any more. And I may need like in the old days horses to plow and pull as much as transportation. 9eagle I loved your explanation of falling I wished I had thought of it. For my daughter it was not an issue because she started gymnastics at two. No one I know thinks of cross training with jumpers as gymnastics but balance beam work and dismounting gave my daughter a sense of her body and timing none of the others had. When she started riding and jumping at 11, she had the timing and when her balance came really off she would do a running dismount. At a major horse show, and she had not been competing 4 months. Someone cut her stirrups. After the second jump, they fell off. She pulled him up and gathered herself and completed the round without faults with no stirrups. She got a standing ovation. All that did was take her riding knowledge and confidence up another notch. My daughter Maxx was an incredibile rider. Just before she died, she was the youngest jumper on the youngest horse and without even considering campaigning yet--she ranked 18 in the entire state of Texas. As long as she was alive, I stayed on the ground. I did not want to compete with her in anyway. After she died, I kept her horses and her two Picasso and Mighty Max were both state champions in California. In fact I hold the amateur jumper title for the years 97,98,99, 2000. I don't know how long someone will take to break that record at the Pacific Coast Horse Association. Before me, two consecutive years was the most ever done.

I'm loving your sharing. Curious now to hear how this new life is going to affect Kimba's personality.
Horse stories alas, get my vertigo going....the view from a horse is to me no different than that from the top of that sky scraper in Dubai.

[9eagle9]

He he...There you go.

When that chart reveals that I'm not the just the bad boy and the stealer of free will,....

There's two choices to be made.

Astrology may be wrong...

or

Astrology may be correct .

My chart says a lot about the nuturing of other's free will. Meaning when that chart says I have an abilty to see through people and know what they are doing, the Astrologer may be compelled to accept what it has to say....or be in the uncomfortable position of wondering if their craft is in error. And if the craft is in error, there's a possiblity they may be wrong about themselves as well.

A further conundrum I don't to be in the center of.... if you know what I mean.

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Carmody is right. But...It wouldn't make me uncomfortable Cal I know very well the challenges I've had to overcome. Very deeply wounded, very abusive home life, lots of mental insanity in my early life, ess , ego-tism, destruction, vengefulness, disconnected from reality, hyper critical , perfectionst, lost in idealism, withdrawn, aloof. I've shared a lot of those personal experiences with the internal struggle with people. I've had people get in a wad for sharing those experienes and I have people who think I don't share that sort of information because it makes me uncomfortable.

It causes conflict. Everyone wants to hear about it and no one wants to hear about it.

And that's great that my chart shows all those challenges but when that chart doesn't support the notion that I'm mean, warlike, tough love., and a Neptuna ..what will we do then?

Eagle9...All charts are mirrors of a reality we are in the process of creating.
Each sign, each house, each planet can have a positive and a negative application.
You yourself know that.
Hence Pisces at it's lowest, densest, is drugs, alcohol, insanity, confusion, escapism.
In the middle it is disciplined creativity, that can build heaven on earth.
At it's highest it is divine channeling...the kind of revelation that transforms masses of people with it's sheer presence in a 3 D body...God incarnate.

Aries at it's lowest is impatience, bloodshed, rage war for the fun of it.
Aries in the middle is Activity leading to innovation, pioneer spirit discovering new territories.
At it's highest it is a guardian shield of bravery that uses it's power with angelic authority.
So everything has to be seen in this graduated scale manner...then there are no misunderstandings.

[Calz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes I understand free will.


People misunderstanding what free will entails is part of the problem.

People are making choices that are hurting them, and then blaming others for staying in that choice, instead of just getting out of the agreement they've made. That's not free will.


The point is. Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work.

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

If someone is reacting to wounds ....they don't have free will. We don't know what free will is til we heal ourselves. If we are in states of auto-hypnosis....we don't have free will.

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Okay ... now we are communicating ... yes even Pisces to Libra (hey remember my mother was Pisces and I loved her to death ... at least until I grew up (just kidding ... I loved her afterwards as well).)

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

Not imposing anything. Goes with the Pisces territory. If you want to pound your chest and point to a planet with an orb approaching Aries ... then it seems you would also recognize the Pisces aspects as well??? Or shall we all pick and chose?

How does:

Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work

apply to Ishtar???

Care to reverse "roles" (you will need to upon your "life review" and I know you know that).

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Interesting statement.

Call me stupid (shut up modwiz ) but I don't understand that.

Can you elaborate?


What was that saying about teachers learning from students?

If you want to join the village then do so ... as a member and as an equal.

Humanity has had enough of leaders.

[Black Panther]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Who said "Hell is other people. "

Stephen King described Hell as : Repetition. Like ground hogs day.

I wonder if was referring to reincarnation.

Eckhart Tolle talked about the movie 'GroundHog Day'
in a monthly talk of him. He was talking about
"American Cinema and the Awakening of Consciousness".
Really liked it to see Eckhart talking about movies.

I don't know about the movie "Hell", but this movie is
about a man that relives the same day again and again.
He is mad at everyone and everybody. Because he don't
want to relive the same day anymore he tries to kill himself.
But even than he wakes up again and the same things
happening. Until he starts enjoying everything that day
and he wants to actually relive the same day he is able
to move on. So yes, reïncarnation!

We can choose to make it a Hell or a Heaven on Earth.

[ulli]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
He he...There you go.

When that chart reveals that I'm not the just the bad boy and the stealer of free will,....

There's two choices to be made.

Astrology may be wrong...

or

Astrology may be correct .

Charts don't reveal good or bad behavior.
All 12 signs have produced saints as well as serial killers.

My point was to show the tendency of a sign, dependent on a person's spiritual development.

Signs can be recognized via keywords.

Openness: Aquarius comes to mind, but also curiosity.
Courage: Aries comes to mind, but also recklessness.
Dignity: Leo comes to mind, but also pompousness.
Analysis: Virgo comes to mind, but also petty criticism.
Discreetness: Scorpio comes to mind, but also secrecy and cover-up.
Libra: Beauty comes to mind but also frivolity.
etc.
Just a few examples.

people say "I'm Taurus...is that good or bad?"
and I have to inform them that the sign just IS...the person just IS...
as good and bad are such relative terms.
Which I always go on about context and consequence.

[dan33]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I knew it! I knew you guys were a different species.

I was consdiering the termite part after reflecting on the way an ex of mine could eat five Big Mac's in one sitting ..

But..why did you keep the pig part and get rid of the flying part?

It would be fun to have a flying man in the house...if they were house trained.

Wait scratch the idea...if you can't put the toilet seat down on while standing chances are flying around will not make it easier for you.????

I really like your shorter posts best.
Keep 'em coming.

I always pee sitting down. My friends pee sitting down, also. I can brush my teeth or I can fix a tv while urinating. Is more comfortable and clean.I 'm not jocking.

... and now let me make a joke ha, ha
... but the problem is that my girlfriend pees standing

[ulli]

Posted by Black Panther (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Who said "Hell is other people. "

Stephen King described Hell as : Repetition. Like ground hogs day.

I wonder if was referring to reincarnation.

Eckhart Tolle talked about the movie 'GroundHog Day'
in a monthly talk of him. He was talking about
"American Cinema and the Awakening of Consciousness".
Really liked it to see Eckhart talking about movies.

I don't know about the movie "Hell", but this movie is
about a man that relives the same day again and again.
He is mad at everyone and everybody. Because he don't
want to relive the same day anymore he tries to kill himself.
But even than he wakes up again and the same things
happening. Until he starts enjoying everything that day
and he wants to actually relive the same day he is able
to move on. So yes, reïncarnation!

We can choose to make it a Hell or a Heaven on Earth.

I loved Groundhog Day. Great performance by Bill Murray.
The closest movie to get to the mystery of time.

[eaglespirit]

1InMany...
p.s.p.s. - about the dogs...there is a garage, a dog run, and a dog house. But I still don't think I could do it.

ooooohhh sure Ya can : ) Just get the right kind...heck some of 'em are almost self-cleaning before comin' inside given the right entry path.
Why not get a younger one that is already ranch/farm groomed!?!

[dan33]

Posted by Black Panther (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Who said "Hell is other people. "

Stephen King described Hell as : Repetition. Like ground hogs day.

I wonder if was referring to reincarnation.

Eckhart Tolle talked about the movie 'GroundHog Day'
in a monthly talk of him. He was talking about
"American Cinema and the Awakening of Consciousness".
Really liked it to see Eckhart talking about movies.

I don't know about the movie "Hell", but this movie is
about a man that relives the same day again and again.
He is mad at everyone and everybody. Because he don't
want to relive the same day anymore he tries to kill himself.
But even than he wakes up again and the same things
happening. Until he starts enjoying everything that day
and he wants to actually relive the same day he is able
to move on. So yes, reïncarnation!

We can choose to make it a Hell or a Heaven on Earth.

I remember an interview with Johan Neeskens. He said it was his favourite movie. .................... i think.

[Marianne]

Posted by 1inMany (here)
Aw, man, you want me to talk more about where I'm going? MUAHHHHAHAHAHAHA. Well, okay, if you insist.

hehehe

We are deciding between a greenhouse and an in-ground garden for our fresh stuff...

I haven't done anything personally with in-ground gardens, but hear they are FABULOUS, and very productive. I had a friend who converted her pool, took out the cement and it was a nice square hole in the ground, she planted stuff there and had great success.

If you devised a cover, the temperature would be moderated naturally below the ground, I think a space like that would enable you to grow food plants there year round. In winter, grow hardy things like lettuces, greens, leeks, and even perhaps broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, all the cabbage family plants.

Whereas a greenhouse would require some sort of energy to maintain.

Will be interested to see how it goes ... best of luck!

[dan33]

STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND. Robert Heinlein.

Great novel too, Ulli.

[ulli]

Here and Now: Ulli is worried about Omniverse.
He has disappeared, and a neighbor found his laptop.

I just checked his chart: not good.
Saturn square Ascendant, North node on his Uranus, and Uranus on his Mercury.
There could be more but since I don't know the exact day of his disappearance.....
Maybe here is an opportunity for the Villagers to show what our combined focus can come up with.

[ViralSpiral]

He posted in the thread

here

[dan33]

I went to a Catholic school. 13 years of priests and religion.
I went to church a lot and prayed the rosary. During those endless moments of boredom, I imagined stories. Here is one of many.

During the Mass, when the priest raises the chalice .... I imagined the priest with a syringe to suck the wine. Then he made ​​a tourniquet with the rosary. He injected into the vein .. the wine (blood of Christ). He gasped, laughed, and we remained standing and serious. Something normal ... as usual.The only thing he did the priest, was injecting Christ energy.

[Lisab]

Omni's back but he has got stuff going on. He still needs us.

[9eagle9]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes I understand free will.


People misunderstanding what free will entails is part of the problem.

People are making choices that are hurting them, and then blaming others for staying in that choice, instead of just getting out of the agreement they've made. That's not free will.


The point is. Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work.

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

If someone is reacting to wounds ....they don't have free will. We don't know what free will is til we heal ourselves. If we are in states of auto-hypnosis....we don't have free will.

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Okay ... now we are communicating ... yes even Pisces to Libra (hey remember my mother was Pisces and I loved her to death ... at least until I grew up (just kidding ... I loved her afterwards as well).)

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

Not imposing anything. Goes with the Pisces territory. If you want to pound your chest and point to a planet with an orb approaching Aries ... then it seems you would also recognize the Pisces aspects as well??? Or shall we all pick and chose?

No we're not communicating. Your throwing beliefs and roles at me and you revealing that everything that you made such deal out of....you don't even respect yourself. Such something to rally around.

Okay my Pisces lets me know I know what I'm doing. No chest pounding necessary . No uncertainty here, I trust my intuition more than other people's 'facts'. It's never failed me. Not once has it ever failed me. Roles fail, true intution does not. Bull**** meter and role playing meter are all included. My intuition is not a role, it's something we all have.

How does:

Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work

apply to Ishtar???

Care to reverse "roles" (you will need to upon your "life review" and I know you know that).


Yep same thing. Someone assumed a role and the role collapsed before a few questions that the real article could have handled very adeptly. I have repeated this dozens of time. What part of role playing do you NOT understand? I didn't hold a gun to her head--she chose that role and it collapsed on her by being offered a few questions the real deal could have coped with easily.

I know what the real deal is...they don't fall apart when you ask them "What is the point here?" Someone assumes a role, it breaks down after five minutes..and that's my fault how? Did I teach them to play the role. Did I encourage them? No. .


Pisces lets me trust what I'm seeing. Arie's gives me the fortitude to say "No, I don't think you're blaming me for the role that YOU chose. My Aries is more about intellectual nimbleness not leading. Arie's rules the head.

I'm good at what I do, I know what i'm seeing. That's my Pisces. Not just my Pisces, it's my Neptune In Scorpio too. .


When one spends hours a day in self reflection and healing wounds that IS THE LIFE REVIEW.

People who are actually attempting to transform themselves look at their life, forwards, backwards and present--- everyday of their life. They don't wait till their dead. What do you think Astrology is for?To help us know WHO we are ....or to let us know what may be preventing us from knowing who we are.

Your throwing roles and beleif systems at me. That is not WHO YOU ARE.

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Interesting statement.

Call me stupid (shut up modwiz ) but I don't understand that.

Can you elaborate?

It's in David Wilcock's material. Why don't you know? And after extolling your concern for him and challenging me that I dind't read his material you are actually asking me to elborate on what you should have learned from his material. Or didn't he cover what auto hypnosis is? Because you'd know the difference between therapeutic hypnosis and auto hypnosis . Or ...didn't you understand? You're the one said you couldn't be hypnotised but everyone goes into a hypnotic state daily. Like when they are driving. When we automatically stop for a stop sign, we are in state of auto hypnosis.

Our auto hypnosis is based on conditions placed in us beyond conscious recall. We keep reacting to those conditions until the time comes that they are removed (healed). That's not free will. Reacting, knee jerking to our emotions, being driven by our emotional conditions. Until the time those conditions are removed we are not operating under our own volition but our behaviors and our ourbursts are a result of emotional conditions . Subconcious suggestions from the past. We are simply re-acting-out a suggestion that has been put in us. That's not free will.

Now do you understand?

I understand you've basically just let me know that you aren't as much of a admirer of Wilcock as all this angst merits. So what gives with that?

What was that saying about teachers learning from students?

Students have a willingness to be shown, not told . They're not just 'fans' and adherents. What they are learning is being expressed through them so the teacher can see themselves in the student. ]

If you want to join the village then do so ... as a member and as an equal.

I'm not creating myself as anything more or anything less than what I already am.. I already know you can beat yourself up more than I can...auto hypnosis. Quit imposing roles on me and you won't t have any cause for conflict.


Humanity has had enough of leaders.

Humanity has had enough role players that pose as leaders. We lack good leaders who know that leading is by example. Not telling people a bunch of gobbedly gook. Well if Wilcock has shown anyone anything its that. Leaders don't lead by leading..they lead by example. By showing. By expressing the fruits of their labors through them...and the students. Not leading people by the nose but expressing by what they themselves have learned. You claim to be a admirer of Wilcock, a fan. i can't really see you as a student since it appears you've not been shown anything by him. I've read his material and see all sorts of good information about auto hypnosis and conditioning . But I'm not the one who is banging the Wilcock pan....you are. So ...uh.....why don't you know this? What is all this wallowing about Wilcocks and blaiming others for being disdainful of him if you have not learned anything there yourself. Here's your opportunity to rethink the student/ teacher relationship. I did say that Wilcocks fans would be his undoing and I mean that.

[meeradas]

removed provocation

[recommend sweat house session instead]