Here and Now...What's Happening?

[9eagle9]

Exactly. My chart is not WHO I AM. It expresses points of weaknesses and strengths. Believe me the first chart I ever read of mine I thought, Where is all this fine intuition and greatness, and were's all this selfishish. I have traits that really just mark to potential for greatness or disaster and they are attributed to certain signs..but its not who I am. My chart is all over the place. I would trust you Ulli to look at it but I'm sticking up here so I can display my 'grand mastery/ grand villiany for the masses to bicker here.

Until I took a spiritual journey I had no idea what any of that stuff meant in relation to me. I didn't see myself in there at all good bad or ugnly. And that's when I learned that nothing in there can be used as an excuse, but people can't beat me over the head with Astrology and then when it point out an attribute that doesn't support their world view get in a bundle about it. It's THEIR chosen craft after all.

If we want to work within the frame work of Astrology I'm fine with that, but we can't stick it out there to emphasize our world view and opinions and then retract it again when it doesn't make the point we are demonsrating.

What I'm saying is Astrology may say I'm a bad guy, but we can't just snatch it back and close our eyes when it says I'm a good guy too.

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
He he...There you go.

When that chart reveals that I'm not the just the bad boy and the stealer of free will,....

There's two choices to be made.

Astrology may be wrong...

or

Astrology may be correct .

Charts don't reveal good or bad behavior.
All 12 signs have produced saints as well as serial killers.

My point was to show the tendency of a sign, dependent on a person's spiritual development.

Signs can be recognized via keywords.

Openness: Aquarius comes to mind, but also curiosity.
Courage: Aries comes to mind, but also recklessness.
Dignity: Leo comes to mind, but also pompousness.
Analysis: Virgo comes to mind, but also petty criticism.
Discreetness: Scorpio comes to mind, but also secrecy and cover-up.
Libra: Beauty comes to mind but also frivolity.
etc.
Just a few examples.

people say "I'm Taurus...is that good or bad?"
and I have to inform them that the sign just IS...the person just IS...
as good and bad are such relative terms.
Which I always go on about context and consequence.

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
And people always forget my Aries cusp at times like this. Aries rules the head and intellect and of course the lock horns...Although brash and hot headed it does allow my floormat Pisces side to bring intuition and not back down from it because someone has been served bread instead of cupcakes.

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i was completely willing to let it all go 9eagle, but then you accused us all of being reincarnated unicorns, and...well...that's just unforgivable.

I must apologize on behalf of 9eagle9 as she has this tendency to exaggerate.
Pisces is in part ruled by Jupiter and Jupiter is an OTT gas giant.
Nothing but hot air.

Most men are NOT reincarnated unicorns, most men were termites, or worker ants in their past lives.
Their work patterns persit to this day.

But I must say, of all the men I have met, those who were unicorns in a past life were the sweetest souls.

No, I forget your Pisces cusp. Aries is very much present.

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

No we're not communicating. Your throwing beliefs and roles at me and you revealing that everything that you made such deal out of....you don't even respect yourself.

Ahem.....

9, I've learnt a lot. Thank you.
Could you please let go of the reigns just a leeeeeeedle?

Much appreciated


/me scuttles off with pail and axe......

[Lisab]

Nos da. That's welsh for goodnight.

[9eagle9]

We don't like the answers....quit asking the questions.

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

No we're not communicating. Your throwing beliefs and roles at me and you revealing that everything that you made such deal out of....you don't even respect yourself.

Ahem.....

9, I've learnt a lot. Thank you.
Could you please let go of the reigns just a leeeeeeedle?

Much appreciated


/me scuttles off with pail and axe......

[ViralSpiral]

*raises eyebrows*

oh, okay then

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I we don't like the answers....quit asking the questions.

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

No we're not communicating. Your throwing beliefs and roles at me and you revealing that everything that you made such deal out of....you don't even respect yourself.

Ahem.....

9, I've learnt a lot. Thank you.
Could you please let go of the reigns just a leeeeeeedle?

Much appreciated


/me scuttles off with pail and axe......

[ulli]

@ 9eagle9

I'm a bit confused here.
Are you saying you feel misunderstood?
By whom, by Calz?
By me?
Or maybe you feel in some way mistreated?
I was hoping you were enjoying the discourses, but maybe not, if as you say you are here "for the masses to bicker at".
I can't say that I have seen any evidence of that being the case.

I don't think I ever claimed that Astrology can nail a person, only explain a person's specific behavior at a specific time.
It's a language, at the least, and a divine mystery at the most...if one can even box it in like that.

[meeradas]

GOOD NIGHT!

from here, too

[dan33]

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This film was one of the top thrillers of the nineties... or may be the top..... anyway, a classic.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Q6VsR_4PuQ

[ulli]

Sorry 9eagle9, that was totally out of order.
Do you mind?
If you behave like that you are going to have to put up with more than the imagined bickering you were referring to.

The Village Gate is the place that scape goats leave through, but since this Village doesn't drive them out it is a voluntary act.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
We don't like the answers....quit asking the questions.

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

No we're not communicating. Your throwing beliefs and roles at me and you revealing that everything that you made such deal out of....you don't even respect yourself.

Ahem.....

9, I've learnt a lot. Thank you.
Could you please let go of the reigns just a leeeeeeedle?

Much appreciated


/me scuttles off with pail and axe......

[Black Panther]

Posted by meeradas (here)
GOOD NIGHT!

from here, too

Don't you scream at me boy!!

[9eagle9]

No no I'm not mistunderstood. Cal's suggestion I put Aries away and let Pisces come forward is what I'm commenting on. Which just means it gives Aries more to see to comment on. (smile)

It's not like I can pick one or the other to bring forward, like my personality is going to change if I put Aries away and bring forward Pisces like I'm playing with action figures.

Yes I'm very much enjoying the discourse...

I don't enjoy having Cal demand answers from me and someone else pop up to tell me I should rein it in when I answer them.

But that is easily solved.

Cal next time you ask me to elborate on something run it by Viral first to keep the fires down.

Posted by ulli (here)
I'm a bit confused here.
Are you saying you feel misunderstood?
By whom, by Calz?
By me?
Or maybe you feel in some way mistreated?
I was hoping you were enjoying the discourses, but maybe not, if as you say you are here "for the masses to bicker at".
I can't say that I have seen any evidence of that being the case.

I don't think I ever claimed that Astrology can nail a person, only explain a person's specific behavior at a specific time.
It's a language, at the least, and a divine mystery at the most...if one can even box it in like that.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

It is not out of order. I have Cal demanding elaboration from me and Viral asking me to rein it in.

Which one is it going to be?

[Carmody]

How about both of you putting down sticks and stop the poking at each others blind spots?

It is a full moon and all.....

edit: The more often I admit I'm wrong (in some manner or way) and I'll admit I'm wrong in intruding here (with incorrect conclusions and premise, I'm sure)..then I can clear myself and look to be correct again. But until I reset with the acknowledgement of a misstep, then I'll not progress any further.

In this case, it appears, on the surface...to me, to be... a case of mutual acceptance of further provocation in some manner or another.

[ulli]

I had totally missed this post.
Wait a minute, this is a POST??

Now I know what Calz meant by "less is more".
It's about style in the Here and Now, not more preaching.
If you don't want to walk out of the village gate at least go and sit at the back of the class room, teacher, preacher, leader, my ass.
The best example you might use to teach others is a minute of silence.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes I understand free will.


People misunderstanding what free will entails is part of the problem.

People are making choices that are hurting them, and then blaming others for staying in that choice, instead of just getting out of the agreement they've made. That's not free will.


The point is. Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work.

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

If someone is reacting to wounds ....they don't have free will. We don't know what free will is til we heal ourselves. If we are in states of auto-hypnosis....we don't have free will.

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Okay ... now we are communicating ... yes even Pisces to Libra (hey remember my mother was Pisces and I loved her to death ... at least until I grew up (just kidding ... I loved her afterwards as well).)

That's not victimhood;that's not getting sucked into someone elses drama. You can impose any role you want on me but...I don't have to agree to it.

Not imposing anything. Goes with the Pisces territory. If you want to pound your chest and point to a planet with an orb approaching Aries ... then it seems you would also recognize the Pisces aspects as well??? Or shall we all pick and chose?

No we're not communicating. Your throwing beliefs and roles at me and you revealing that everything that you made such deal out of....you don't even respect yourself. Such something to rally around.

Okay my Pisces lets me know I know what I'm doing. No chest pounding necessary . No uncertainty here, I trust my intuition more than other people's 'facts'. It's never failed me. Not once has it ever failed me. Roles fail, true intution does not. Bull**** meter and role playing meter are all included. My intuition is not a role, it's something we all have.

How does:

Do what ever you want but don't do it at my expense. That's my free will at work

apply to Ishtar???

Care to reverse "roles" (you will need to upon your "life review" and I know you know that).


Yep same thing. Someone assumed a role and the role collapsed before a few questions that the real article could have handled very adeptly. I have repeated this dozens of time. What part of role playing do you NOT understand? I didn't hold a gun to her head--she chose that role and it collapsed on her by being offered a few questions the real deal could have coped with easily.

I know what the real deal is...they don't fall apart when you ask them "What is the point here?" Someone assumes a role, it breaks down after five minutes..and that's my fault how? Did I teach them to play the role. Did I encourage them? No. .


Pisces lets me trust what I'm seeing. Arie's gives me the fortitude to say "No, I don't think you're blaming me for the role that YOU chose. My Aries is more about intellectual nimbleness not leading. Arie's rules the head.

I'm good at what I do, I know what i'm seeing. That's my Pisces. Not just my Pisces, it's my Neptune In Scorpio too. .


When one spends hours a day in self reflection and healing wounds that IS THE LIFE REVIEW.

People who are actually attempting to transform themselves look at their life, forwards, backwards and present--- everyday of their life. They don't wait till their dead. What do you think Astrology is for?To help us know WHO we are ....or to let us know what may be preventing us from knowing who we are.

Your throwing roles and beleif systems at me. That is not WHO YOU ARE.

Free will only comes after we're healed.

Interesting statement.

Call me stupid (shut up modwiz ) but I don't understand that.

Can you elaborate?

It's in David Wilcock's material. Why don't you know? And after extolling your concern for him and challenging me that I dind't read his material you are actually asking me to elborate on what you should have learned from his material. Or didn't he cover what auto hypnosis is? Because you'd know the difference between therapeutic hypnosis and auto hypnosis . Or ...didn't you understand? You're the one said you couldn't be hypnotised but everyone goes into a hypnotic state daily. Like when they are driving. When we automatically stop for a stop sign, we are in state of auto hypnosis.

Our auto hypnosis is based on conditions placed in us beyond conscious recall. We keep reacting to those conditions until the time comes that they are removed (healed). That's not free will. Reacting, knee jerking to our emotions, being driven by our emotional conditions. Until the time those conditions are removed we are not operating under our own volition but our behaviors and our ourbursts are a result of emotional conditions . Subconcious suggestions from the past. We are simply re-acting-out a suggestion that has been put in us. That's not free will.

Now do you understand?

I understand you've basically just let me know that you aren't as much of a admirer of Wilcock as all this angst merits. So what gives with that?

What was that saying about teachers learning from students?

Students have a willingness to be shown, not told . They're not just 'fans' and adherents. What they are learning is being expressed through them so the teacher can see themselves in the student. ]

If you want to join the village then do so ... as a member and as an equal.

I'm not creating myself as anything more or anything less than what I already am.. I already know you can beat yourself up more than I can...auto hypnosis. Quit imposing roles on me and you won't t have any cause for conflict.


Humanity has had enough of leaders.

Humanity has had enough role players that pose as leaders. We lack good leaders who know that leading is by example. Not telling people a bunch of gobbedly gook. Well if Wilcock has shown anyone anything its that. Leaders don't lead by leading..they lead by example. By showing. By expressing the fruits of their labors through them...and the students. Not leading people by the nose but expressing by what they themselves have learned. You claim to be a admirer of Wilcock, a fan. i can't really see you as a student since it appears you've not been shown anything by him. I've read his material and see all sorts of good information about auto hypnosis and conditioning . But I'm not the one who is banging the Wilcock pan....you are. So ...uh.....why don't you know this? What is all this wallowing about Wilcocks and blaiming others for being disdainful of him if you have not learned anything there yourself. Here's your opportunity to rethink the student/ teacher relationship. I did say that Wilcocks fans would be his undoing and I mean that.

[ulli]

Posted by Black Panther (here)

Posted by meeradas (here)
GOOD NIGHT!

from here, too

Don't you scream at me boy!!

Meeradas is allowed to scream, and so are you. Your credit ratings are still high.
Anyway, how else would anyone hear him, what with the noise level recently.

[9eagle9]

I can do that. I can do what others won't ask themselves.

[ulli]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No no I'm not mistunderstood. Cal's suggestion I put Aries away and let Pisces come forward is what I'm commenting on. Which just means it gives Aries more to see to comment on. (smile)

It's not like I can pick one or the other to bring forward, like my personality is going to change if I put Aries away and bring forward Pisces like I'm playing with action figures.

Yes I'm very much enjoying the discourse...

I don't enjoy having Cal demand answers from me and someone else pop up to tell me I should rein it in when I answer them.

But that is easily solved.

Cal next time you ask me to elborate on something run it by Viral first to keep the fires down.

Posted by ulli (here)
I'm a bit confused here.
Are you saying you feel misunderstood?
By whom, by Calz?
By me?
Or maybe you feel in some way mistreated?
I was hoping you were enjoying the discourses, but maybe not, if as you say you are here "for the masses to bicker at".
I can't say that I have seen any evidence of that being the case.

I don't think I ever claimed that Astrology can nail a person, only explain a person's specific behavior at a specific time.
It's a language, at the least, and a divine mystery at the most...if one can even box it in like that.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

It is not out of order. I have Cal demanding elaboration from me and Viral asking me to rein it in.

Which one is it going to be?

I'm sure the elaboration Calz had in mind was meant to bring forth your finest quality, not RED ink QUANTITY.
That's a risk he took.
But you are in a Village here, a GROUP, and anyone can chip in. They are free, even though they haven't taken up half the amount of space you have.
But then again, you are an outdoor girl, so we are making allowances for that, too.

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I can do that. I can do what others won't ask themselves.

Okay, so I'll apologize for intruding in your diatribe

Do you feel better?

[ulli]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I can do that. I can do what others won't ask themselves.

Good girl!!!!
Now one more tiny, tiny, tiny favor.
Can we forget for one minute about OTHERS and PEOPLE and THE MASSES
and just be a baby eagle in the safety of the big nest?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Here and now.

Did some work on outside lighting for the inlaws, took my little lady along, of course. Had a deliteful afternoon. Really like her dad, the old coot. Now, there's a guy who marches to the beat of his own drummer. I think he may have been a worker bee. Maybe a termite, he is handy with a saw. hehe