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    Where do you keep coming up with stuff like that???

    Can't tell I am jealous ... right???


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    .... be gentle with your anger. Sixto Rodriguez, Cape Town 20.02.2013

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    Way cool.

    I'm so getting one.
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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Well I will tell you what. I had this response in mind to EagleSpirt which about his jockey friend. Maybe it shows a point of motivation ..but also expression.

    To Eagle Spirit.

    Thank you for sharing that. I don’t often hear stories about the horse kin. She sounds like a typical horse person, totem, energy and literally. Not that there are vast amounts of them to be regarded as typical but…A lot of women that involve themselves in the dangerous end of horses (not the back end…yeee) were Amazons in a past life. And all that that implies. They don’t suffer fools very easily.
    Because..you can’t be a fool around a horse.

    Because it’s not a desk job, or academic or a job where you can correct the mess when your attention lapses. Very spiritual though--will to power.

    It’s a medium that will kill you if you are not very present.

    A horse can kill you, damage people around you, and itself in aheartbeat. Much horse work is invested in keeping other's safe .A lot of internal fortitude is required. If you meet a horse person and they are alive and relatively unscathed those are persons who know what they are doing. Jockeys are all about Self management. They are tested constantly, they have tremendous inner will because physical size doesn’t cut it with a horse.

    They reflect the medium they work in. Powerful, unconditioned, challenging--challenged, free, intense, and a horse always gets the last word one way or the other. They are forgiving animals with big generous hearts –especially thoroughbreds but Intense ,intense energies. But they test and test and test and challenge and that is what tempers the rider. Those challenges. I would have loved to known if she was fire horse in Chinese astrology.

    Blunt, direct. You don't time to write flowery love calls when a horse is spinning it's hindquarters into you. "Oh please my dear, I dont want to hurt your feelings but that horse is about to trample you."

    And …sometimes people bore them . After that sort of raw intensity and power that one is naviagating...people are sorta tame. So they rattle the cage to see what’s inside. Do you think they will find that inside a person?

    They do --so why isn't the person showing it. They start challenging it to come out. If you are ignored by a horse person...it means they don't see that potential for power in you.

    People may not know this anymore because we have don’t have associations with horses like we did before automobiles and trains came along. Where they weren’t casual pets but you worked together with them day in and out. Jockeying isn't a common profession. It doesn't form 'common' people.

    They have to be that way to work in that medium. A horse will not accept anything less, especially a eventing horse. Especially race horses. Their lives depend on that sort of person navigating them. It’s not a program, that can be re-booted if something goes wrong. You have to make instant, controlled power decision It becomes automatic.. Raw reality flying up in your face at 40 miles an hour and the only thing that keeps you there is your balance. You’re literally flying on a horse dangling by the balls of your feet. And that’s it. Balance .They have to balanced . And they are --on and off the ground.

    That takes a person of a rare character. Everytime I jump up on a off track horse, I think of a jockey . Their heart has to match the power of the horse. Their mind has to be as quick as those feet. And be aware always aware of people who don’t have that sort of power (their radar) that is in their sphere. The bystander can get hurt.

    For myself I know how many times a day I have to say to someone, Do not stand behind that horse.

    Of course I’m just being mean. After saying it dozen times I'm sure I sound mean.

    Why am I saying it?

    Horse people don’t suffer fools very gracefully.

    Like horses they have a hard time seeing the social conditioning in others, the lack of being present, and don’t feel the need to accommodate it. They don't see it. You don’t accommodate an animal that big--two wills have to be evenly matched. Blend powers. A person walks from the horse expecting everyone is powerful and can take that intensity .In spite of it all a horse enjoys that battle of the wills. The jockey has to enjoy it too.

    It’s not personal. You can't make it personal with a horse, they'll walk all over you.

    Horses don’t hurt people because of personal reasons.

    It’s an impersonal universe.

    Horses know that.
    Good reply 9Eagle, thank you....
    horse people that live and breathe that relationship are 'people' of a different vibrant color of fortitude.
    If I really, really needed to get something done of vital personal importance to the changes taking place and I felt called to get involved and help get things done in the physical world and it was necessary to enlist some help I would call her in, in a heartbeat...and she would do what she could to help if it was in any way within her reach to do so. She is so deep down good that it is such an integral part of her she does not have to wave the slightest banner...she is the type of doctor that wants to be called by her first name.
    And yes, amazon...and yes, very old soul...and yes, tough...and yes, she IS living change when something of personal/humane importance needs a powerful nudge in her life in front of her.
    I have stories to fill a small library...haha : )
    Love! Love! Love!
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    Ulli, did you find your juicer?

    I made more pineapple-celery juice today, a quart to drink during the morning. Will see how I feel for lunch, probably a salad. I am navigating towards a juice fast, but have to move into it slowly. Yesterday I got a detox headache around mid day and this morning I am feeling those detox emotions, old stuff left over that I didn't deal with. How appropriate that I'm doing this at the same time I'm doing shadow work. Am I looking for extra abuse, or will embracing my shadow help me? I'm so hoping it will help me.

    Am calling to my Goddess for help this morning. I have to go to work and try to appear normal in the midst of churning emotions I haven't felt for a long time. I'm grateful for an office of my own with a door, mostly solitude except for my friend T who helps me as I help her, and colleagues who know I'm a bit strange already.

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    Another sunny and cold morning. Considering this is just 10 degrees north of the equator it is surprisingly chilly.
    Today have to frst check on the construction then see how my recently widowed friend is doing. Hubby is off work today so we can do everything together...which is how I like it.
    Just found out that one of his patients who is 102 years old, returned from hospital feeling fully recovered.
    She had problems breathing when he sent her to the hospital and I thought, considering her age, she might not come out alive. She is amazing, still dresses herself, and not the slightest sign of dementia. A Libra. I met her once, years ago. What a lady!

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    Ulli, did you find your juicer?

    I made more pineapple-celery juice today, a quart to drink during the morning. Will see how I feel for lunch, probably a salad. I am navigating towards a juice fast, but have to move into it slowly. Yesterday I got a detox headache around mid day and this morning I am feeling those detox emotions, old stuff left over that I didn't deal with. How appropriate that I'm doing this at the same time I'm doing shadow work. Am I looking for extra abuse, or will embracing my shadow help me? I'm so hoping it will help me.

    Am calling to my Goddess for help this morning. I have to go to work and try to appear normal in the midst of churning emotions I haven't felt for a long time. I'm grateful for an office of my own with a door, mostly solitude except for my friend T who helps me as I help her, and colleagues who know I'm a bit strange already.

    Love,
    Marianne
    Your shadow will help you if that is your intent.
    Your emotions are the fuel to drive your intent.
    That is proper use of emotions.
    Enthusiasm and excitement.

    It sounds to me that you have some fears mixed in there...perhaps worry of what might come up during the detox.
    If there are memories of unresolved issues that bug you just decide not to let them (bug you).
    Today is the first day of the rest of your life.

    When superfluous emotions rush in they flood our engine and we can't drive. So it's good to keep that in mind...emotions are fuel, and fuel always needs direction.
    Negative emotion or anger are just energy in need of redirection.

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    I just listened to the recording of the circle i was in yesterday,
    and the whole second half i have absolutely no recall of, lol.
    I must have been off having my own private party.
    It's a good thing its all recorded, as i missed some very interesting
    dialogue. Luckily going "off" in your own world,
    is not only encouraged its the aim. It's a pity i didn't
    find this pathway as a kid it would have saved my
    self esteem from endless batterings. But then that's
    part of the initiation .

    So far I'm realizing that i have most of the knowledge,
    but i just never had to think about it, in order to express it.
    If that makes sense. It's like when you have to go to teach
    something to someone that you can do in your sleep.
    In order to teach it , you have to run it through
    your left brain, which is not an easy task
    when something is so second nature, it becomes
    intuitive.

    I had that problem when i was teaching millinery.
    People would ask me how i did something, and
    i really had to stop and think.
    In many ways studying feels like a backwards step,
    but i know it will be really good for me. Even being
    in a group is great training.

    The trainer is quite extroverted
    I'm curious what her Astro make up is, she's another horse
    person funnily enough. Very social, too, i was thinking
    libran, but she seems too organized, too fast at
    making decisions. At first i was concerned we would
    clash, but now I'm seeing that she will draw me out.
    Thankfully she is very much anti- guru, and
    anti - dogma.
    The good thing is i will get to see where "I'm at" as
    far as what i already know and what gaps i have to fill
    in, being a lone wolf for so long i really have no idea.
    I just do what i do.

    So glad to see Omni has resurfaced i had been messaging him
    the last couple of weeks, and i was worried that he had not
    replied.
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    Quote Posted by ViralSpiral (here)
    Quote Posted by Dig (here)
    "Trunk Monkey"

    Had to look that up. Glad I did


    The original concept of a "Trunk Monkey" was a small stuffed animal placed in the trunk of a vehicle which came alive and jumped from side to side to help distribute weight during "spirited driving maneuvers".
    The Trunk Monkey is also portrayed as an effective theft deterrent, as seen in one commercial where the chimpanzee knocks out a would-be car thief and throws him off a bridge. The chimpanzee also administers first aid to the driver after an accident. In addition, its security abilities are effective during a driver's daughter's first date or an alien invasion.












    Bless you Dig!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I cannot tell you how meny times I have been on the road and wish I had one. almost every time I have driven up until recently it is like going to battle, now I let myself relax a little more and enjoy the trip

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    Quote Posted by Marianne (here)
    Ulli, did you find your juicer?

    I made more pineapple-celery juice today, a quart to drink during the morning. Will see how I feel for lunch, probably a salad. I am navigating towards a juice fast, but have to move into it slowly. Yesterday I got a detox headache around mid day and this morning I am feeling those detox emotions, old stuff left over that I didn't deal with. How appropriate that I'm doing this at the same time I'm doing shadow work. Am I looking for extra abuse, or will embracing my shadow help me? I'm so hoping it will help me.

    Am calling to my Goddess for help this morning. I have to go to work and try to appear normal in the midst of churning emotions I haven't felt for a long time. I'm grateful for an office of my own with a door, mostly solitude except for my friend T who helps me as I help her, and colleagues who know I'm a bit strange already.

    Love,
    Marianne
    Your shadow will help you if that is your intent.
    Your emotions are the fuel to drive your intent.
    That is proper use of emotions.
    Enthusiasm and excitement.

    It sounds to me that you have some fears mixed in there...perhaps worry of what might come up during the detox.
    If there are memories of unresolved issues that bug you just decide not to let them (bug you).
    Today is the first day of the rest of your life.

    When superfluous emotions rush in they flood our engine and we can't drive. So it's good to keep that in mind...emotions are fuel, and fuel always needs direction.
    Negative emotion or anger are just energy in need of redirection.
    Ulli, that's it, fear.
    Thanks for the reminder about intent.

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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    here and now nodding off and feeling a little foggy mentally.

    happens to me when i spend too much time in front of a laptop. that damn electrical pollution. g'night to all.
    I was gifted with a pair of Himalayan salt lamps...one near the computer and one near the laptop. I've noticed quite a difference.

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    We have salt lamps in the bedroom. I highly recommend them, as well. A few pieces of black tourmaline in the pocket and around the house work wonders for em pollution, as well. Also, the orgonite I have lives in the bedroom as well. When I was having some less than positive astral visits during the charles episode, moving the orgonite to the bedroom from the top of the television where it previously lived brought the visits to an abrupt halt, and helped with the tv reception, too. The tourmaline won't actively interfere with electronic devices, at least.

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    Yes I find more and more that too much time
    online makes me feel blah . Not a bad thing
    means i dont get stuck on here like I used too.
    I need to make sure I ground myself often so I
    alternate with time in the garden and time with
    my dogs . I got rid of wifi too and now am plugged
    in direct with my big Mac, massive difference.
    Wifi and cordless phones the worst for emfs.
    I use my iPhone when in bed , like now, but
    I turn off cellular data and put it onto airport mode
    when I sleep, that way its much less pollution .
    Noticed since fasting that my body is much more
    sensitive, so I just shift things around accordingly .
    But so much more balanced now . Was back drinking
    coffee and milk last week and was walking up feeling
    blah . So I ditched the milk and big improvement .
    It was meant to be organic, but obviously not agreeing
    with me . Can't get raw milk here , that I have found
    yet , will keep making enquiries .
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    We have large crystals as well as Orgonite on both sides of our bed. I usually sleep like a baby! Sometimes I don't remember my head hitting the pillow! Not always the case, but this works well for me.

    http://www.orgonite.info/

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    Good Story.

    Well if she didn't see 'the way' in you she wouldn't have bothered to swat you. She wouldn't bothered much at all. They see the power place in you and wonder why you are not knowing it. Not precisely a chasticement or judgement....its a reminder.

    Even in sweatlodges you may get a swat from an elder who is wondering why you aren't knowing your power. One told me one time, "You are little children who won't wake up to who you are so we smack you to remind you." And then laughed. Sorting out the personal/feelings place from the power alignment. They see that people are scrambling to remember they are but when they are reminded they collapse "Oh my feelings, my feelings are hurt".

    Certainly people get taken aback but collectively humans have become very much like sissy's. It started in the 60's when peple where getting in touch with their feelings...but they weren't supposed to get stuck there.....lol. . "Oh my feelings, and oh my god I can't believe you said , and that's horrible," They think their power place is their feelings and I can't imagine why they would think that if that feeling place is hurt all the time.

    So your friend seen your power place, she didn't see you as a sissy. That smack is more like "Stop thinking that's who you are, I see more." The place a horse connects to. So it must be beyond 'feelings'. beyond or behind the personality. It's closer to the surface in some than the other...your power is very close to the surface, Write4

    Impersonal is more like...when a horse dashes over you to get to their food, or flip out at a ghoulie, its not because they hate you. Or don't care about you. I've seen people say that alot. Horses hate me. No know they don't. Save for the abused one, who have been fed self loathing. . Like what you said they seem to be harder themselves more often than not. That kind of not personal--like Four Agreements not-personal. Because its there even if the horse and rider don't have personalities that support that. Transcending the personal

    'the way' . When I was told about the way it sent a chill through me .

    Man o War is still my favorite race horse.. We have progency of Native Dancer in the barn, he looks like him and has the personality. Thoroughbreds are what interested me in the effects of consciousness and DNA.

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    Much of what 9 eagle says about horses I agree with but I think I have basic differences. Everything I do with horses is personal. One of the things I love about Seabiscuit is that this is the story of four broken people in a very broken time in America. And the end of the story of the story is very poignant--they did not take a broken horse and heal him but they all healed each other. Of all the famous horse stories in the world and I think I have all of them--if not, I made the effort--Seabiscuit is my favorite. Nothing about Seabiscuit is perfect--he has duck feet--he is 15.2 hands and War Admiral is 18 hands. Even watching the real race it is hard to believe my eyes. How fast Seabiscuit is churning those legs and the will power to do it. War Admiral has a stride and smoothness and stamina that should have killed Seabiscuit.

    Maxx's first horse was a paint we named Picasso. She practically slept with him. She absolutely adored him. She spoiled him rotten. He loved Coke and she would pour it out of a can for him. The problem became he would come to dead halt if he saw one on the fence or something. When she started, there was nothing he would not do for her. He would hold his head up and to the side to keep her on. Her trainer Colonel Russell was the last calvary officer of horses in the United States. He took the Bronze in the 52 Olympics. He was 76 and he recognized her potential but it killed him that his last student was a girl. She rode every horse in his barn before he took her on. He gave her a lot of guff. He loathed a refuse out. He would rather you plow the horse thru. Picasso was very fast and he had perfect form. I have tons of pictures of him over jumps and his form is always perfect. But he was 15.2 and his top jump was going to be 4 feet. He would not exert himself or he knew himself so well this was it. Over 4 feet and he would just refuse out.

    So we went to the Dallas track and got a horse out of a claiming race. We watched him a bunch of times. He was sired by the horse of the year 1971--can't remember the name right now. He was known for either winning like an antelope or loosing like a donkey. If you watched him he would walk into the ring before the line up and size up the other horses. It was like he know he could win so he was all out. If he thought it was not a possiblity he could not be bothered and nor matter what the jockey did would come in dead last. The owners apparently did not think anyone would claim him with such mixed results and he was not quite four years old. They put him in a 5000 claiming race and we bought him. They offered us double but this was Maxx's and my manifestation from the universe. He was all we could afford and he was young, with high potential, very intelligent and bored. He was 17.2 hands and we named him My T Maxx and Maxx called him Teddy, he was her big Teddy Bear. We sent him to Corpus Christi for six weeks of jumper training. She spent a long weekend with him learning how to ride him without Russell. It is a big step for a 12 year old to go from 15.2 to 17.2 and they are totally different types of horses--a paint a quarter horse and Teddy a thoughbred.

    Maxx soon found she could not ride both of them, the change was too much for her. Picasso went wild with jealousy. Russell had three barns. First we had them next to each other Picasso practically busted the door the first time she took Teddy out and left him. We moved Teddy to the furthest barn away and tried not to let him know Maxx was riding Teddy. We leased Piccasso out to Russell's nephew who could not do much with him much to Russell's disgust. In jumping all credit goes to the horse not the rider so it proved Maxx could ride and Picasso did not just carry her. Their first major horse show, and the largest in Texas, the Christmas horse show of 94, Maxx was 12 and Teddy 3. The youngest horse and the youngest rider and they placed 8th which thrilled all of us.

    That first horse show before Maxx rode him in her class, I had a professional ride him to try and tone him down. Still have the videos. Teddy rode his best for Maxx always and did not do well for the professional. It was at this show with the lights, music, and applause that Teddy got his ahah moment. You could see the light in his eyes. This is show jumping. This is what this is all about. I am not a race horse--I am a show horse and I love it.

    I have seen some professional women riders with big warmbloods who can get up and over but they know that big body of theirs is coming down fast. And they so want to win and they soon learn what knocking the rail down does. I have seen these big warm bloods teach them selves to throw their hind legs side ways as they go over so as not to touch that bar. First, time I saw it I was amazed. I have been a horse handler for several Olympic events and I have strong feelings about the care and training of horses.

    In the Suel Olympics, it was the first time they had a jump that was essentially a ring. It was a big surprise and there was no rules against it. But most of the horses had never trained jumping thru something with something over their head. Over 50% of the horses refused out. Most of the women made it thru because women ride by asking and it partnership. Men used strength and often spurs. Don't get me started on spurs. The horses like Teddy who are always in partnership will go okay if you say I can do this--I believe you---and they will go for it. But for those who see the horse as a machine that you press here to go--they go **** you --- I am not risking my life for you. Horse and rider in partnership get what they are risking. It is all too easy to become Christopher Reeves who had his accident that broke his neck in April of 95. My daughter died in October of 95.

    I never rode English nor jumped until after Maxx's death. I had a dear friend who is much like eagle9 who taught me. We rode everyday at lunch. She was once an Olympic quality rider and went all the way but could not afford nor did she have her own horse. She also took a brutal spill and broke her collar bone among others. She had not ridden in decade when we met. She was a meticulous rider and teacher. One day she reached over whumped my hands with her crop. She said something to the effect that she was tired of telling me the same thing and my not paying real attention and putting it into practice. I am 50 years old. I am like---I have to sit with this a while. And I realized that she was the teacher I needed to learn what I wanted at that time of my life. Everyone else would have handled me with kid gloves, let me go on my crying jags, etc. But not her. It was do or do not. I would not be here today without that experience. It was tough but it was oh so worth it.

    I have recognized since I first met 9eagle9, that she will always bring that quality to her community and for me I say sign me up. But my horses are personal sentient beings I share with. My friend loved them but she did not feel them like I did and do. Eagle and I would have to ride together to see how that works in reality for us. Now I do not know nor do I care. But I trust the winds of her intuition. Yet, they are her winds and I may or may not be lifted by them. I may have to find my own air current and we will soar maybe not side by side but within our sight and that is good enough.

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    Perhaps this may be of interest here (and now).

    From Gilliland:

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    Many people were feeling out of sorts, mood swings etc last few days this is one reason why.

    Solar Activity at Eruptive Levels
    and So Are Volcanoes
    by Mitch Battros - Earth Changes Media

    Solar activity is at eruptive levels and gradually increasing, with the GOES X-ray flux background close to C level. More than seven C flares were observed within the last 24 hours. Several more C flares are expected within the next 24 hours, with a chance for an M flare from sunspot region 1393 and 1388



    A glancing blow to Earth is possible from the January 5th CME and a moderate geomagnetic storm is expected January 9th.

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    Report of 7 Volcanoes at Level III - Indonesia

    I have received a report telling of seven volcanoes now on level 3 alert status. (3 out of 4). At this time, I have only been able to confirm five of the seven. I have listed the dates and briefing on each. Notice the dates of escalation coincide with solar activity.



    January 8th 2012 - Lewotolo Volcano, Indonesia: The alert status at Lewotolo volcano was raised to level 3 (out of a maximum 4). Increased volcanic tremor was recorded at the volcano on 2nd January 2012. Visually the volcano showed white emissions rising 80 m above the summit. A 2 km exclusion zone was placed around the volcano.



    December 20th 2011 - Ijen Volcano, Indonesia: Unrest continues at Ijen volcano, Indonesia. Observations at the lake on showed the lake had changed color from light-green to white. A strong smell of sulphur was present at the lake and required observers to wear gas mask. The alert status was raised further from level 2 to level 3 (out of a maximum 4). The exclusion zone radius has been increased to 1.5 km.



    December 13th 2011 - Sorik Marapi Volcano, Indonesia: Sorik Marapi volcano in Sumatra, Indonesia has been raised to level 2 alert (out of a maximum 4). On December 12th there were 43 volcanic earthquakes measured at the volcano. A 1.5 radius exclusion zone has been placed around the volcano.



    December 8th 2011 - Sundoro Volcano, Indonesia: Sundoro volcano in central Java was raised to level 2 alert on 6th December 2011 after an increase in seismicity. The temperature of fumaroles at the summit increased from 75 deg C on 26th November to 95 deg C on 2nd December. On December 2nd a plume from

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    Thou Shall Not Pass (aka modwiz thingie) remix


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    Here and Now. Tired, anxious. Allowing that...and planning a nap. Called new schools to scope them out, left paper messages/no voice mail. Yup.

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    Just visited a.n.other thread. Found this gem before is was derailed by warm beer

    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    Helping a butterfly out of its chrysalis can and usually will, cripple it for life. Compassion might make one wish to aid it in its struggle to get out, but it is not helpful. Enabling willful ignorance is not just about the individual, it is about society at large. The weak link in the chain metaphor applies here. We are each others keepers. Keeping oneself ignorant is not being a team player.

    The ignorance is not the shame, it is the shamelessness of being ignorant.


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