Possible original photo of the Roswell craft

[Luke]

Posted by Moemers (here)
So, is the general consensus that these are time traveling humans from our future?

I beg your pardon?
I think that only thing about Roswell that there is consensus on is that some kind of crash happened.

And I red quite good argument (Farrell, "Roswell and the Reich") that no credible witness actually mentions bodies. But that's just my opinion based on another's man opinion based on reports by men involved (or reports from men that had contacts with men involved), that were often made many years after incident and in some cases, later altered. Maps of third or fourth order at best, not the territory.

Photo Bil posted is interesting, because it seems that in worst case scenario- there was reenactment of some sorts on supposed site OR it might be actual photo from retrieval op from the site. In this case, full of shadows, that is as much solid as you can get, without actual timetravel

[Moemers]

Posted by SaiCO (here)
I beg your pardon?
I think that only thing about Roswell that there is consensus on is that some kind of crash happened.

In an interview with David Icke, Bill stated that there was more than several people who believed that the Roswell crash had more to do with time travel than with E.B.E's

[jimmer]

in hopes that this thread stays alive, here's a '92 documentary
created and lead-narrated by george knapp:
ufo's: the best evidence.
this baby is jammed packed with testimony, facts, images I've never seen before, including:
rosewell (19:00), a younger bob dean, astronaut dr. brian o'leary, cia disinfo agent spilling the beans,
an official military briefing saying that ufos are real and on and on.

this is machine gun, relentless journalism at it's best.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gVbQxFPNigI

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jimmer (here)
in hopes that this thread stays alive, here's a '92 documentary
created and lead-narrated by george knapp:
ufo's: the best evidence.
this baby is jammed packed with testimony, facts, images I've never seen before, including:
rosewell (19:00), a younger bob dean, astronaut dr. brian o'leary, cia disinfo agent spilling the beans,
an official military briefing saying that ufos are real and on and on.

this is machine gun, relentless journalism at its best.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gVbQxFPNigI

Many thanks for the video - I've not seen it - downloading it now.

Posted by Moemers (here)
In an interview with David Icke, Bill stated that there was more than several people who believed that the Roswell crash had more to do with time travel than with E.B.E's

Right: we were specifically told this by Henry Deacon, in some detail - the first time we had heard it.

Entirely independently, Bill Birnes (editor, UFO Magazine) reported that he had been told the same thing by Admiral George Hoover of the ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence) before he died.

Here's Bill Birnes describing this to George Noory from Coast to Coast AM:

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Birnes_George_Hoover.mp3

[Moemers]

Thanks for the clarification Bill.

Is this still a worthy hypothesis?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Moemers (here)
Thanks for the clarification Bill.

Is this still a worthy hypothesis?

Yes, in my opinion it sure is - and also [to me, personally] rings true.

Besides Henry Deacon and Admiral George Hoover (via Bill Birnes), I forgot to include Philip Corso Junior, the son of Col. Philip Corso - author of THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL.

Philip Corso Jr only gave a handful of lectures, but in at least one of them he stated specifically that he knew from his father that the Roswell craft was a time machine as well as a spacecraft.

[Luke]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Philip Corso Jr only gave a handful of lectures, but in at least one of them he stated specifically that he knew from his father that the Roswell craft was a time machine as well as a spacecraft.

Which "kinda" makes sense, if one consider what is that we perceive as time - that is sequential 3D "slices" of region of hyperspace.
This means every craft negotiating hyperspace would be time machine as well, at least from our standpoint.
And given that we're too negotiating this h-space in our daily life's.. that makes us one-way time machines in a sense (until we figure out better ways to do it that is )

[Bluewool]

Ok the facts are that the film footage was first shown in the UK film-Alien Autopsy starring Ant and Dec (2 celebrity presenters on british TV).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alien-Autops...0964681&sr=1-1

Here is the clip in the context of the film.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=m6ZeOnu5nec
It was shown at the end of the film to suggest that there was real footage that the hoax footage was based on.It has not been claimed that this footage is genuine and one of the replies on you tube says-

Bedeekin
1 year ago
Sorry, but I was there at Elstree Studios the day they filmed this!

They hired the backlot and used the model alien they fabricated for other scenes in the film. It was actually a script change that the producers came up with because they thought that people would feel cheated if they didn't put this little reveal in at the end. So they borrowed some military costumes from Shepperton Studios that was shooting 'the White Feather' and quickly shot it.

I was working on Da Vinci Code at the time.

I watched this in the cinema at the time and was one of the first people to send off for the original video that Santilli was releasing in 1995.(sucker i hear you say!) But im still one of the few people who believe the original footage could be real,why go to the hassle of making a strange pregnant like creature with six fingers? Not something that had ever been reported in ufology and something not typically alien.
I personally believe this footage was released by an intelligence agency via santilli to garner reaction from the public in a slow drip feed of evidence that would some day lead to disclosure.
There are also people who came forward at the time who say they had seen the footage years before.
As people have said it certainly doesnt fit with roswell but people like to lump it with the known rather than another crash we know nothing about.There could also have been a collision between 2 craft of course and 2 crash sites.
For a good account of claims re the santilli footage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_autopsy
Hope this has cleared things up a little.
As for Bills post re the photograph i think its very interesting and he could be on to something!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bluewool (here)
Ok the facts are that the film footage was first shown in the UK film-Alien Autopsy starring Ant and Dec (2 celebrity presenters on british TV).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alien-Autops...0964681&sr=1-1

Here is the clip in the context of the film.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=m6ZeOnu5nec

It was shown at the end of the film to suggest that there was real footage that the hoax footage was based on.It has not been claimed that this footage is genuine and one of the replies on you tube says-

Bedeekin
1 year ago
Sorry, but I was there at Elstree Studios the day they filmed this!

They hired the backlot and used the model alien they fabricated
for other scenes in the film. It was actually a script change that
the producers came up with because they thought that people
would feel cheated if they didn't put this little reveal in at the end.
So they borrowed some military costumes from Shepperton
Studios that was shooting 'the White Feather' and quickly shot it.

I was working on Da Vinci Code at the time.

I watched this in the cinema at the time and was one of the first people to send off for the original video that Santilli was releasing in 1995.(sucker i hear you say!) But im still one of the few people who believe the original footage could be real,why go to the hassle of making a strange pregnant like creature with six fingers? Not something that had ever been reported in ufology and something not typically alien.
I personally believe this footage was released by an intelligence agency via santilli to garner reaction from the public in a slow drip feed of evidence that would some day lead to disclosure.
There are also people who came forward at the time who say they had seen the footage years before.
As people have said it certainly doesnt fit with roswell but people like to lump it with the known rather than another crash we know nothing about.There could also have been a collision between 2 craft of course and 2 crash sites.
For a good account of claims re the santilli footage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_autopsy
Hope this has cleared things up a little.
As for Bills post re the photograph i think its very interesting and he could be on to something!

Many thanks for this!

If the old black-and-white film clip was shot at Elstree (which of course has to be possible), it's very well done. I'd not heard that before.

I would suggest that this needs to be double-checked... does anyone have the resources to do this?

One has to remember that Santilli always maintained that there WAS an original authentic autopsy film that was re-created in as much detail as possible - as the original was too badly deteriorated to be shown.

It's theoretically possible that this is also true of the short film clip we're discussing here. It MIGHT have been re-created at Elstree - but we MIGHT be looking what was left of the original.

This could explain the various anomalies and contradictions - but I do understand this is a stretch. I continue to welcome and embrace all views.

[noxon medem]

Concerning the Alien Retrieval Film:

Bedeekin:
Sorry, but I was there at Elstree Studios the day they filmed this!

They hired the backlot and used the model alien they fabricated
for other scenes in the film. It was actually a script change that
the producers came up with because they thought that people
would feel cheated if they didn't put this little reveal in at the end.
So they borrowed some military costumes from Shepperton
Studios that was shooting 'the White Feather' and quickly shot it.

I was working on Da Vinci Code at the time.

..
Interesting information, and something to look into.
There are some visual information on the background scenery
in the Retrievalfilm, from 16sec.25fr. to 18sec.25fr. into the film
there is an ok view of the back wall of the "hangar", or studio.
..
(click on images for larger view)

-'-
Still frames from Retrievalfilm
..

Inside a studio at Elstree. The wall in this studio reminds of the one
in the retrievalfilm. This picture taken in 1953, but it still resembles
today, here is a look inside studio (stage) 7:
http://www.elstreefilmstudios.co.uk/stages.aspx?id=5
..
Have tried to find photos from inside Roswell Army Air Field,
( known as Walker Air Force Base after 13. January 1948 )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Air_Force_Base
but they are hard to find, and have so far no conclusive match
with the Retrievalfilm-background.

-'-
From the 1950s and a recent one. Anyone have some better ?
..
A filmstudio and an airforce hangar would look quite similar.
From comparing the Retrievalfilm with the Elstree filmstudio now,
I would say Elstree is definately a candidate for the scene of action.
If the comment quoted is true, then the Retrievalfilm would have been
made between 2004 and 2006, refer him working on DaVinciCode.
Does that add up ?
..
Alien Autopsy (the movie) was released in april 2006:
"Humouristic reconstruction of the 1995 scandal when two British lads were
accused of having faked a documentary from the Roswell incident in 1947."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0466664/
..
Maybe one that have a youtube-account can contact Bedeekin, quoted on top.
( or better, contact someone involved directly with the AlienAutopsy-movie.)
https://youtube.com/user/Bedeekin
-"They hired the backlot and used the model alien they fabricated
for other scenes in the film .."

- Is the backlot inside or outside a studio at Elstree ?
If he can pinpoint exact location of the filming, and we can get some video
or images from there, then we could recognize if it is the scenery of the
Retrievalfilm. That would be decisive to evaluate its authenticity, and very
important since it is floating around now, and is so well made it is good to
check it in or out of the scarce ET/UFO documentation that exist.

That it is appearing in the AlianAutopsy-movie does not in itself prove
anything, but if we can confirm the Retrievalfilm was made at Elstree
- then we know it is, at best, a reconstruction.

..

[jimmer]

my take is that the alien 'figure' in the autopsy film doesn't look much like the figure in the retrieval film.
ok, the leg wound matches.
but the faces look different. the stomachs are different (autopsy version is bloated, retrieval is not).
saying that the same model was used in both pieces seems wrong to me.

[MariaDine]

It is fascinating mistery.......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gjQgqZ6eMP4

[MariaDine]

How about the alien symbols ?

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/A...g/Roswell.html

[Bluewool]

Timely release.
http://www.prlog.org/10857780-alien-...pre-order.html

[jimmer]

I'd be surprised if anything new of substance is revealed in this book.
we'll see, but I'm not going to buy it.

[jimmer]

an interesting and riveting subset to the rosewell crash and craft.

this 1995 'death bed' testimony from the past CEO of lockheed's skunk works
clarifies the real world impact of the rosewell craft.

"Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft..."
coming from this credible fellow, that's believable and truly astounding.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/u...eed-skunk.html


also, on a related topic, here's a video link of an eisenhower era state representative that clarifies
the hollowman/eisenhower incident happened. eisenhower met with extraterrestrials.
I saw this last year, but with the renewed calls for disclosure, this testimony seems to be part
of this new movement.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/05/v...hower-met.html

[Studeo]

Roswell Alien Interview.

Here is a followup to the Roswell incident. I found it on the PC forum posted by Highwhistler.

It is the transcript from Army nurse Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, who interviewed the pilot of the UFO that crashed in Roswell in 1947. This is a non-fiction, biographical book.

Alien interview intro letter.



Full transcript here.

Alien_Interview.pdf

I contacted Lawrence Spencer, the person who received the transcripts, and he seems to be a truthful, authentic person who has done his very best to share the documents accurately -- as he received them -- and he included hundreds of footnotes within the book, that help verify the information.

Below is a link to Lawrence, the editor, being interviewed by Ohio Exopolitics.

I pieced this mp3 together from 3 different interviews. It is 3 hours in length, but its a highly interesting conversation. Listening to this helps describe and clarify the incredible information in Alien Interview, and you can decide for yourself if Lawrence is authentic, or not.

http://www.soulconnection.net/downlo...erviews123.mp3

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Studeo (here)
Roswell Alien Interview.

Here is a followup to the Roswell incident. I found it on the PC forum posted by Highwhistler.

It is the transcript from Army nurse Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, who interviewed the pilot of the UFO that crashed in Roswell in 1947. This is a non-fiction, biographical book.

Alien interview intro letter.

Attachment 2463

Full transcript here.

Attachment 2464

I contacted Lawrence Spencer, the person who received the transcripts, and he seems to be a truthful, authentic person who has done his very best to share the documents accurately -- as he received them -- and he included hundreds of footnotes within the book, that help verify the information.

Below is a link to Lawrence, the editor, being interviewed by Ohio Exopolitics.

I pieced this mp3 together from 3 different interviews. It is 3 hours in length, but its a highly interesting conversation. Listening to this helps describe and clarify the incredible information in Alien Interview, and you can decide for yourself if Lawrence is authentic, or not.

http://www.soulconnection.net/downlo...erviews123.mp3

Hi, Folks:

This is a hoax - I'm afraid.

Here's the review on the book I posted to Amazon a little while back. (Please cross-post this to the PC forum with my best wishes to all - thanks )

-------------------------------------

‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’ by Lawrence Spencer



Unfortunately, this book is a hoax. This is definitive.

Lawrence Spencer is careful (presumably for legal reasons) to offer the written disclaimer that Alien Interview should be regarded as a work of fiction, but it does the UFO community (and the Scientology community - see below) no favors when Spencer maintained on subsequent radio talk shows, some with sizeable audiences, that the purported "interview" really happened. It did not.

Conveniently, the claimed source, "Matilda MacElroy" is "deceased" - and Spencer "destroyed all the original documentation". So we'll just have to take his word for it... and his word, publicly stated, is that he is portraying real events. Sadly, his word is not very honorable, and he is lying. I don't often deploy that unpleasant word, but here its use is accurate and fair.

Any Scientologist with any experience (and I am one) will instantly recognize the very large number of terms and concepts directly borrowed from (and sourced by) L. Ron Hubbard.

These are literally too numerous to list, starting right at the start with "doll bodies", "what's true is what's true for you", "If you were looking for Hell, the Earth would suffice", liberal use of the term "Space Opera", the concept that the Earth is a prison planet, and much, much, much else. Find any friendly Scientologist and they will be pleased and intrigued to go through the book line by line with you. There's a smoking gun on almost every page.

Spencer has maybe made an unfortunate judgment, and written an interesting work of fiction (and don't get me wrong here: many of the metaphysical concepts, formulated by Hubbard, may be valuable and have a great deal of truth to them) - but has then fallen into the trap of using his idea of journalistic license to portray the concepts in the framework of a "true story".

This does not help genuine UFO research one iota, and further confuses the complex Roswell issue - in which real, elderly witnesses, with great courage at the end of their lives, have come forward to tell their very real stories. Spencer discredits and dishonors these fine people by what he has done. This is my issue.

Almost as an afternote: there are many other problems with the book - many of which are already cited by other reviewers. Use of the terms "carbon dating", "computer", "database", "alien" (the Roswell survivor was called an EBE, or Extraterrestrial Biological Entity), MacElroy being a "Senior Master Sergeant" - and more - are all anachronisms: the words or terms did not exist in 1947, and show clearly that this is recent writing. The date stamp is also wrong: the author uses the English notation of 9.7.1947 for 9 July 1947... a little slip, written by Spencer, who although American is very familiar with England.

The final nail in the coffin is this e-mail, written by Spencer himself in 2000:

**********

From: Lawrence Spencer
Sent: 07 November 2000 02:12
To: Graham Hancock
Subject: Your victory

Dear Graham,

Congratulations to you and Robert on your victory regarding the BBC 
attack! Well Done! I commend you on your courage and persistence.

I am the author of "The Oz Factors" (I sent both yourself and Robert a 
copy of my book last spring), so I certainly do have some first hand 
knowledge how the mainstream academic vested interests operate to 
suppress the truth. My book discusses this subject as one of the 12 
"Oz Factors" which prevent our civilization from discovering answers 
to the mysteries of our existence.

I have been a Scientologist for 31 years. A good deal of my book is an 
application of the principles of L. Ron Hubbard as regards the fields 
of study into which you and Robert have so bravely advanced. Perhaps 
the material in my book will be of assistance to you at some point in 
your research.

Keep up the good fight!

Very Best Regards,
Lawrence R. Spencer
author of "The Oz Factors"

**********

Read this book as the metaphysically fascinating work of fiction that it is. Spencer's post-publication behavior, however, elevates this "fiction" to the level of a dishonorable hoax, for which he should be ashamed. He could have handled this much, much better.

I am a UFO researcher myself. If you want the truth, there are many other places to find it. And if Spencer wants to contact me, he can through the Project Camelot website which I run with my colleague Kerry Cassidy. I would be interested to know privately what possessed him to go so far and to paint himself into such a corner, from which escape is now almost impossible without him continuing to deceive his readers.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT

[Studeo]

Hi Bill and fellow Aviolians, my apologies to all with regard to the Roswell Alien interview. Thought it was an interesting development. I have posted your reply to PC thread. Regards Studeo.

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

I’ve seen the video footage before, and what it looks like to me is someone concealing a camera in their jacket, like a long trench coat(from the first time I’ve seen this, its always looked like a super-8 type camera concealed in a jacket, super-8’s are not small so it would have been hard to conceal, plus they’re noisy as heck, but maybe with all the excitement whomever it was may have been able to pull it off, especially if there was a second camera running they would have assumed the noise was coming from it) which explains the spotty frames cut off on the left and right sides, but if you were trying to fake it then adding all of the interference would be part of the disinformation strategy.