Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[Jean-Luc]

Although on the whole positive, as Ilie commented earlier on, me too I tend to be a little tired of these sorts of enigmatic claims, while acknowledging that major moves in our very chaotic world need to be handled with care.
Yet, not really convinced that wishful thinking and meditation will suffice.

Yes everyday more people are realizing what's happening and are fed up with this whole mess.
(including in the very heart of Europe with this seminal book : The nazi roots of The EU-Brussels, published in 2010 http://www.nazi-roots-of-brussels-eu.org/
(and now - Jan 2012 - also available in French)

Will this suffice to avoid the elite to blow it all up in some desperate move ?

Just for the record, here's a quick transcript of Bill Wood's concluding remark.

If I were an elite and find out tomorrow morning about this interview, I would be petrified because I would know that it's over, that the people are figuring out, becoming aware, having hope and there's nothing that can be done anymore because things are happening.

It would be absolutely ideal in this chess game if we didn't have to play the final move to prove that we know we've won. That the good guys have beaten the bad guys. I wish and I pray that the elite, the Bilderbergs, the... you know people that we know and hear about that mostly laugh and say : oh, that's too wild, must be conspiracy. I's not. It's sad. It's true.

And I am very, very hopeful now, with what I know and what I am going to be doing in the next couple of weeks with the help and support that I now have because of the things that I have been doing... There are some real, big, high up, informed people that are acknowledging that things are happening. It's not just me. It's not just David [Wilcock]. And these people know things. They have helped us fill in the blancks that we were starting to put together. And some real cooperation is coming of it.

[araucaria]

To the extent that the chess analogy holds, then the PTW don’t realize that they have lost, for if they did see the conclusion as inevitable, the decent thing to do is to abandon the game - or maybe they are not doing the decent thing? The endgame becomes fully predictable when every defensive move is compulsory in order to stave off checkmate. When the king needs defending, taking the queen is no longer an option.

This ties in very neatly with the notion of free will as freedom of action. In other words, the people who have deprived others of their free will have lost their own after being outnumbered by still others exercising theirs in unpredictable ways and original gambits.

[Lazlo]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Ok, here is what I want to discuss about this and maybe I should start a new thread. We will see if people want to discuss it.

Bill, I'd like you to respond because I was going to email you privately, but decided to open the topic up to everyone here.

We keep hearing about some sort of consciousness ascension. I hear this from different sources, some of which have nothing to do with internet conspiracy sites and have no awareness of the bigger picture the way we do here. When I hear this, it sounds exciting and some of it makes a lot of sense. But...I just can't get past this....when I look around me at the Walmart zombie shoppers I see a level of consciousness disconnect so deep and pervasive that I just can't see the majority of people being ready to handle this. I think if these people woke up in a new state of higher consciousness, they would be like newly dead people who are very confused, in denial of their being dead, and seeking still to fulfill the fear-based desires of their old-life. Do you know what I mean?

It's hard for me to believe that most of the people walking the earth can magically ascend to a new state of consciousness from where they are now. The shock of being face to face with their own karmic mess and the nature of who they really are would throw them into psychological chaos.

Thoughts?

I realize that Clif High is persona non grata here at Avalon, but he has been talking for some time about data that describes people standing dumbstruck and drooling, who would require help to even move out of traffic.

This is the visual I get when thinking of the type of consciousness shift being described in this interview. "This is so profound that no one even cares about disclosure, because we are all in touch with the universe, and open to the illusion of reality." There are simply too many people who would short circuit.

[ROMANWKT]

This may not just involve the oath keepers as DW is with B Fulford which they state 127 countries, that should turn some elites heads.

[NternalArchitect]

If what they say is true, you'll know past lives, and won't really be in the same density. The souls of those people are aware, but their mind/bodies aren't. So well be coming from the soul with less veil, not limited awareness we now possess.

[Carmody]

Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
Although on the whole positive, as Ilie commented earlier on, me too I tend to be a little tired of these sorts of enigmatic claims, while acknowledging that major moves in our very chaotic world need to be handled with care.
Yet, not really convinced that wishfull thinking and meditation will suffice.

Yes everyday more people are realizing what's happening and are fed up with this whole mess.
(including in the very heart of Europe with this seminal book : The nazi roots of The EU-Brussels, published in 2010 http://www.nazi-roots-of-brussels-eu.org/
(and now - Jan 2012 - also available in French)

Will this suffice to avoid the elite to blow it all up in some desperate move ?

Just for the record, here's a quick transcript of Bill Wood's concluding remark.

If I were an elite and find out tomorrow morning about this interview, I would be petrified because I would know that it's over, that the people are figuring out, becoming aware, having hope and there's nothing that can be done anymore because things are happening.

It would be absolutely ideal in this chess game if we didn't have to play the final move to prove that we know we've won. That the good guys have beaten the bad guys. I wish and I pray that the elite, the Bilderbergs, the... you know people that we know and hear about that mostly laugh and say : oh, that's too wild, must be conspiracy. I's not. It's sad. It's true.

And I am very, very hopeful now, with what I know and what I am going to be doing in the next couple of weeks with the help and support that I now have because of the things that I have been doing... There are some real, big, high up, informed people that are acknowledging that things are happening. It's not just me. It's not just David [Wilcock]. And these people know things. They have helped us fill in the blanks that we were starting to put together. And some real cooperation is coming of it.

If you have physical or 3d components, then you need to have some 'aware' skin in the game. For your skin is in the game, so you may as well be in charge of that particular piece of skin.

And in the process, do something that is positive and has a group consensus aspect of some sort so a direction and action of some sort emerges.

Our problem is that the idea of dimensionality and awareness of such is 'on the dock' so to speak and ready to be picked up. There will be a large amount of individuals who will approach their 'reality handling threshold' (in these acts and ideas) and thus their deepest layers, deepest directions and deepest ideas on fundamentals of reality will be engaged.

It is natural, in such situations, that few will agree on those fundamentals as they are deep enough and deep within most most beings (individual deepest inner design). That, as a situational surrounding the idea of physical action.. with regard to consciousness of the given individual...a depth of consciousness and awareness ...that they have never really ever ruminated upon. (their own depths)

So, in such an environment of individual revelation, it is difficult to gain a consensus moment or point of 3d action tied to the multidimensional realization. However, the internally explosive considerations of inner revelation affects each individual in the specific and deep individual way..and we end up with something akin to the idea of an entire army base of willful and determined individuals who know on some levels..how to work as a team. But..as if they are suddenly stoned on acid... and all of them wandering off in different directions, stupefied and blocked from cohesive and conjoined acts and actions due to their individual inner revelations.

This is a akin to the spiritual warrior. Each with the same overall desire and direction regarding finality but each with an individual task tied to who they are.

This is where our problem regarding cohesive action in these areas of human evolution vs human group control --are coming from.

Realization of this critical issue as a point that needs be addressed in all thoughts on such matters --is just about the only way you'll ever get to the point where some cohesive (mass) act may take place, an act that is outside of being based on the hindbrain (herd instinct and deepest fight or flight/etc driving forces)...which is where (the driving force behind) most of our mass acts take place right now.

[Nenuphar]

I enjoyed the interview (particularly after I propped a notebook against the monitor to obscure the stream of irrelevent and obnoxious comments zipping by on the chat!)

At the end of it, I was left feeling positive and curious to know more. Many of the questions I had were addressed by David, Bill & Kerry. At times, I was left frustrated by vague answers and craved more detail. I wasn't sure if the vague answers were due to fatigue, difficulty articulating complex concepts, or Bill's attempt to answer the questions as best he could while keeping himself safe at the same time. I'm hopeful that there will be follow-up interviews over the next few months that will clarify things.

I'm keeping an open mind and suspending intense skepticism at this point. I don't see the point in watching interviews with whistleblowers and participating in forums like this if one is going to immediately attack and disregard everything that is said - or not said - by the witnesses. My approach is to listen, file it away, and see what develops. If nothing that DW and BW have stressed emphatically is going to happen comes to pass, then they are going to look pretty foolish for having built up such drama and expectation. It seems to me they are putting their necks on the line by saying the things they're saying.

The "occupy area 51" comment made me laugh out loud -what a visual!

I'm looking forward to reading what Bill R's impressions of the discussion were.

[ljwheat]

Posted by DoubleHelix (here)
I would say there's a chance he's blowing smoke up our asses, and maybe not intentionally either. A rise in consciousness is certainly underway.. but I can't fathom such a significant change instantaneously as Mr. Woods and DW proclaim. Nothing happens overnight. I would say that 2012 may mark the crossing of a threshold; from a slightly negative based reality dominated by evil, corruption and deceit and to a slightly positive based reality in favour of love, compassion and respect. 2012 in my opinion is just another year. Regarding a noticeable change in consciousness en masse, I'm far more interested in the years that follow 2012... like 2013.. 2015.. and so on.

Reading between the lines I pick up a subtle undertone that suggests we're not supposed to do anything and that it's all getting taken care of. For me this is one big Red Flag.

This statement bill posed to the general public show’s how unaware of the gravity his words project.

Area 51 is a military base with signs posted that state, trespassers will be dealt with by lethal force or imprisonment.

National security warning, you will be fired upon. And you show up with a million people? You couldn’t pick a better way of scaring area 51 into shooting the lot of you. And saying after words We clearly warned you. Cant you read?

Defying a US Air base top secret facility, would be an act of war, I don’t care how good intended your frame of mind or how peaceful, or how you dress. They will shot you! And Bill and David now this. My god what are you thinking. They brought down two towers full of people, and your going to show up with a million at the front gate of there head quarters?

And all this crap of how honorable this guy who would send you to your death with this statement. And David falling apart at the seams when threatened over the phone. Said nothing to this statement. Don’t try this at home it may get you killed.

This is insanity to even go done this road of thought. A one million man suicide march into area 51? I was in the military long enuff to know you will get shot. If we could shot a collage student at Kent state in the 60s, you don’t think they will shoot to protect the fort?

[firstlook]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by DoubleHelix (here)
I would say there's a chance he's blowing smoke up our asses, and maybe not intentionally either. A rise in consciousness is certainly underway.. but I can't fathom such a significant change instantaneously as Mr. Woods and DW proclaim. Nothing happens overnight. I would say that 2012 may mark the crossing of a threshold; from a slightly negative based reality dominated by evil, corruption and deceit and to a slightly positive based reality in favour of love, compassion and respect. 2012 in my opinion is just another year. Regarding a noticeable change in consciousness en masse, I'm far more interested in the years that follow 2012... like 2013.. 2015.. and so on.

Reading between the lines I pick up a subtle undertone that suggests we're not supposed to do anything and that it's all getting taken care of. For me this is one big Red Flag.

This statement bill posed to the general public show’s how unaware of the gravity his words project.

Area 51 is a military base with signs posted that state, trespassers will be dealt with by lethal force or imprisonment.

National security warning, you will be fired upon. And you show up with a million people? You couldn’t pick a better way of scaring area 51 into shooting the lot of you. And saying after words We clearly warned you. Cant you read?

Defying a US Air base top secret facility, would be an act of war, I don’t care how good intended your frame of mind or how peaceful, or how you dress. They will shot you! And Bill and David now this. My god what are you thinking. They brought down two towers full of people, and your going to show up with a million at the front gate of there head quarters?

And all this crap of how honorable this guy who would send you to your death with this statement. And David falling apart at the seams when threatened over the phone. Said nothing to this statement. Don’t try this at home it may get you killed.

This is insanity to even go done this road of thought. A one million man suicide march into area 51? I was in the military long enuff to know you will get shot. If we could shot a collage student at Kent state in the 60s, you don’t think they will shoot to protect the fort?

Goose-fra-baa.

[Carmody]

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Ok, here is what I want to discuss about this and maybe I should start a new thread. We will see if people want to discuss it.

Bill, I'd like you to respond because I was going to email you privately, but decided to open the topic up to everyone here.

We keep hearing about some sort of consciousness ascension. I hear this from different sources, some of which have nothing to do with internet conspiracy sites and have no awareness of the bigger picture the way we do here. When I hear this, it sounds exciting and some of it makes a lot of sense. But...I just can't get past this....when I look around me at the Walmart zombie shoppers I see a level of consciousness disconnect so deep and pervasive that I just can't see the majority of people being ready to handle this. I think if these people woke up in a new state of higher consciousness, they would be like newly dead people who are very confused, in denial of their being dead, and seeking still to fulfill the fear-based desires of their old-life. Do you know what I mean?

It's hard for me to believe that most of the people walking the earth can magically ascend to a new state of consciousness from where they are now. The shock of being face to face with their own karmic mess and the nature of who they really are would throw them into psychological chaos.

Thoughts?

I realize that Clif High is persona non grata here at Avalon, but he has been talking for some time about data that describes people standing dumbstruck and drooling, who would require help to even move out of traffic.

This is the visual I get when thinking of the type of consciousness shift being described in this interview. "This is so profound that no one even cares about disclosure, because we are all in touch with the universe, and open to the illusion of reality." There are simply too many people who would short circuit.

Short circuiting (if one wishes to phrase it that way) is part of the revelatory path. Those who venture down that road, if they have not reached their sum total limit on one to many occasions, then they have not done themselves any favors. You have to realize you are broken before you can be fixed.

To fix what is broken on the deepest levels requires being literally broken or short circuited on the deepest levels, consciously so.

However, it is ego that is the problem, not the real being. Since ego is the threshold guardian of incoming and outgoing data regarding conscious 'voice in head' thinking....this becomes a real problem for most individuals.

[jackovesk]

Posted by SEAM (here)
Just watched...My only wish is that Bill could do a full interview.. in that Woods needs someone to fill his mind space with a complete, and properly formed paragraph before he can add specific answers and speak to the point. I'm not overly ecstatic that anything was truly brought forth, and outed. Seemed a bit tedious... and the DW/BW "Men giggling" kind of sqeamed me out... I thought it was a great question by BR, that deserved a more serious response... It came across rather like a "This is our Club, and you're not invited".. (But the name of my book....)

Posted by Lazlo (here)
The toughest part for me in the whole interview was the BW/DW mutual admiration. They seem to be feeding off of each other's incomplete information and making 2+2=5.

This interview reinforced my earlier impressions of BW. Basically a decent human being who was in the military and is not being dishonest, but doesn't "know" as much as he is claiming. It felt like DW was leading him to conclusions and answers.

For the love of all that is good David Wilcock...Why can't you just say it instead of promising more great revelations on your website where your book can be purchased. "Tune in to Divine Cosmos tomorrow for the big reveal that I can't say tonight, because the situation will be different in less than 24 hours and I can spill the beans then."

I have to Agree...

From my Notes: (Not Word for Word)

Bill Ryan: "What's your understanding of the 'Variants' of Timeline (1)..?"

Bill Wood: "The only reason I started thinking of the subject was because I read it in David Wilcock's book."

Jackovesk Side Note: "BW started getting nervous when trying to explain, does'nt know..?"

Bill Wood: (Pause) "Very Confusing stuff - Impossible to evaluate."

Bill Ryan: Variants of (T1) what point of history of studying of (Project Looking Glass) - When was the Convergence of (T1) known..?"

Bill Wood: "When the game begins all possibilities exist - Get into zone based on rules of the game - the elimination of pieces - you can see how you eliminate your partners moves e.g. (T2) and play the game accordingly."

David Wilcock: "(Dan Burish) Possible catastrophe..?"

Bill Wood: "Free Will comes down to a choice - conclusion is everybody starts making the same choices - seems to be a definite convergence of Human Consciousness - if you understand all the choices, then you can make the right choices."

Bill Ryan: "Mass Consciousness..?"

Bill Wood: "Instinctively/Intuitively we all know where we want to go."

PS - Quick Question to (BW) Did you only get to read David Wilcocks book in the last few days or so..?

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)
Occupy Area 51


I missed most of the interview. Hope there will be a link made available to the full interview

Now that I'd like to see.

[Kyra]

Posted by TelosianEmbrace (here)
On the time travellers moving through the 2012 bump-

....melted in pure bliss....

That sounds pretty good to me. Any takers?

The Oathkeepers are mentioned a number of times. Here's a statement directed to the Oathkeepers reading this thread. This information is an aperitif. The public domain is ready for more, much more. Bring it.

I've been doing extremely deep meditations in nature for the last six months or so, and getting some profound directions from Pure Consciousness.

What has been revealed to me is that the only prayer/intention that is transcendent--free of 3D egoic overlay of our current filters and ideas and beliefs as to how things ought to be--is to simply say:

May All Life Know Bliss

In our ONEness, we see the importance of the role the dark side has played, and thank them for their magnificent performance as they take their final bows.

Those in the know have stated that in our infinite journey, we have all played both dark and light roles ... and in this understanding, we can attain ONEness with those currently playing these dark roles, and thus free ourselves--and all life--from duality.

By sending out this prayer as an on-going wave form:


May All Life Know Bliss

We contribute to this reality at the highest level, pulsing out this frequency in this NOW moment, rather than waiting for any future event.

I am being told that this is the highest contribution we can make to the coming transitions on this planet.

As we are ONE, every part of Creation is entitled to Know Bliss.

Therefore, we can FREE our MINDS from ideas that some deserve this or that.

A mind steeped in lock-step to duality wants to exact its pound of flesh.

A mind freed in Unity knows that whatever role we play here in 3D is only a fractional part of our Whole Identity.

Therefore, a being who plays a dark role may indeed be 99% light in their expanded reality and volunteered for the role, and once the "play" has ended, can return to their original multidimensional state of Pure Light Essence. Perhaps it was their Unconditional Love for humanity that prompted their role-playing of a dark shirt.

These ideas have helped me transcend a 3D judgment based polarization that kept me locked in limitation.

Now is the time to stay empty, as Bill Wood and David Wilcock encouraged, and allow a New Truth to enter into our awareness, and let go of all old beliefs and programming.

That which is useful in our evolution will remain, and limiting beliefs polarizing and entrapping us in 3D duality dancing can be jettisoned.

David W. and Bill W. stated that the biggest secret is knowing that our beliefs create reality.

As we learn to create a standing wave, and on-going pulsation that is sustainable (like an interior permaculture) of our desired belief--FREE of resistance and duality--we can achieve anything.

Step One: transcend all polarizations.

Step One: free our Mind to return to its original state, as designed by our Creator.

Picture is entitled: The Awakened Mind





..
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[Chuck]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
This statement bill posed to the general public show’s how unaware of the gravity his words project.

Area 51 is a military base with signs posted that state, trespassers will be dealt with by lethal force or imprisonment.

National security warning, you will be fired upon. And you show up with a million people? You couldn’t pick a better way of scaring area 51 into shooting the lot of you. And saying after words We clearly warned you. Cant you read?

Defying a US Air base top secret facility, would be an act of war, I don’t care how good intended your frame of mind or how peaceful, or how you dress. They will shot you! And Bill and David now this. My god what are you thinking. They brought down two towers full of people, and your going to show up with a million at the front gate of there head quarters?

And all this crap of how honorable this guy who would send you to your death with this statement. And David falling apart at the seams when threatened over the phone. Said nothing to this statement. Don’t try this at home it may get you killed.

This is insanity to even go done this road of thought. A one million man suicide march into area 51? I was in the military long enuff to know you will get shot. If we could shot a collage student at Kent state in the 60s, you don’t think they will shoot to protect the fort?

What you say is true ljwheat… a million people might get shot.

But shot or not, the affect on the consciousness of this planet would be forever changed for the better.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WLrrBs8JBQo

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Lazlo (here)
The toughest part for me in the whole interview was the BW/DW mutual admiration. They seem to be feeding off of each other's incomplete information and making 2+2=5.

This interview reinforced my earlier impressions of BW. Basically a decent human being who was in the military and is not being dishonest, but doesn't "know" as much as he is claiming. It felt like DW was leading him to conclusions and answers.

For the love of all that is good David Wilcock...Why can't you just say it instead of promising more great revelations on your website where your book can be purchased. "Tune in to Divine Cosmos tomorrow for the big reveal that I can't say tonight, because the situation will be different in less than 24 hours and I can spill the beans then."

I also felt a little bit like DW was 'leading the witness'. And wondering how much of Bill Wood's current understanding has been colored/influenced by DW in recent days.
(And I loved DW's book, and tend to be a supporter.) Telling that Bill Ryan thanked the above comment as well.

I just am left wanting more detail, more specifics, though I do understand why that's hard to come by.

[Cidersomerset]

I didn't think I would stay 'High in the clouds ' for long..........






Back down to earth with a 'Bump'...

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Lazlo (here)
The toughest part for me in the whole interview was the BW/DW mutual admiration. They seem to be feeding off of each other's incomplete information and making 2+2=5.

This interview reinforced my earlier impressions of BW. Basically a decent human being who was in the military and is not being dishonest, but doesn't "know" as much as he is claiming. It felt like DW was leading him to conclusions and answers.

For the love of all that is good David Wilcock...Why can't you just say it instead of promising more great revelations on your website where your book can be purchased. "Tune in to Divine Cosmos tomorrow for the big reveal that I can't say tonight, because the situation will be different in less than 24 hours and I can spill the beans then."

At one point when DW mentioned the title of his book AGAIN I actually said out loud "Oh for the love of God!"

[Nenuphar]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
At one point when DW mentioned the title of his book AGAIN I actually said out loud "Oh for the love of God!"

Can I "thank" this one twice?

[jackovesk]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
I also felt a little bit like DW was 'leading the witness'. And wondering how much of Bill Wood's current understanding has been influenced by DW in recent days.
(And I loved DW's book, and tend to be a supporter.) Telling that Bill Ryan thanked the above comment as well.

Question: How many pages is David's book - How long would it take to read & absorb the information..?

Rgs,

Jack

[shadowstalker]

speaking of seal team 6....

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — U.S. Navy SEALs parachuted into Somalia under cover of darkness early Wednesday and crept up to an outdoor camp where an American woman and Danish man were being held hostage. Soon, nine kidnappers were dead and both hostages were freed.
President Barack Obama authorized the mission by SEAL Team 6 two days earlier, deploying the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden last year. Minutes after the president gave his State of the Union address to Congress he was on the phone with the American's father to tell him his daughter was safe.

more here:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-military-ra...063438091.html