Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[Brodie75]

Posted by BestLion (here)

Posted by Daft Ada (here)
Well having watched it I have to say I didn't think he actually said much at all. Did I miss something?
David Wilcock, (Who I thought looked very ill by the way, You need to take better care of yourself and take time out for rest and relaxation David.) seemed to say most of the actual information and nothing that was said hasn't been heard by us all before. If anything all he did was confirm some of what was said by Dr Burisch

I watched about 10-15 minutes of it and skimmed the transcripts..I also didnt really pick up anything new that has not already been said by countless others.
And yes I agree David looked a bit under the weather. I hope he can rest up and get some relaxation.

For someone who admits to not seeing all of the interview you sure do have a lot to say.
Before further comment maybe you could go back and actually watch it all.
It would certainly add to your credibility.

[ljwheat]

Well ,Well, well less than 24 hrs the disinformation lists,/ debunkers,/ disc editors, /nay sawyer’s/ film editor’s,/document manipulator’s,/Matrix adjusters are busy frying the egg’s we’ve just had for breakfast, saying NO , no that was an omelet you eat, not over easy. Plus they were powdered egg’s not real .

In the Matrix all things come into existence at the hands of the controllers. Again who dose this serve, and if this information was a bunch or bunk, why would they go to all the bother of debunking the debunked?

Doesn’t this affirm that there is something being said that someone doesn’t want said, So now lets do our best to discredit this?

Or is it just the group that love’s to dig in the dirt at our picnic and coming to the table with dirty hands dripping mud into the food for thought we all want to taste test.

Contaminating the drinking water, no one want to taste it after that. And if the water was bad in the first place then the interviewers should have put up this disclaimer at the beginning of the sessions.

Just like in Texas hold’em poker, you learn who the bluffer’s are and make notes and skip over there statements from that point on. Whether its poker or chess or driving a car, back seat driving is dangerous. And the peanut gallery is always debunking every move.

Its like taking apart a Rolex watch completely displayed for all to see hundred’s of little tiny peaces, then someone walks up and pulls a part out of his pocket and drops it into the rest of the display.

The part many in all intensive purposes be a valid peace of a watch , but a piece of a watch from some other place and time will no work , the term is a monkey wrench in the machine.

Just to many people with monkey wrenches standing around with to much time on there hands, or Glades Cravitts across the street peering thru the blinds, Abner, Abner, look, look what the Nabors are doing, I cant hear a word there saying But, but I know there up to something I just can feel it.

All this flying in on the wings of a butter fly, (what if, what if, what if, ) silence is golden?

Namaste John

[Unified Serenity]

I prefer thinking things through, and if I have questions about someone's background as they are trying to share information which requires a great deal of trust and belief on the part of the hearer, then so be it. If I see something that sets alarm bells ringing like, is his background credible, would this story wash in reality, and I ask those questions only to be shouted down as a fear monger, hater, debunker etc then this movement just smacks to me as not credible.

Sure, I can believe there is strange stuff in the world, but so many want to turn to the fantastic to explain the simple really. Many want to believe some great lost civilization built stone monuments when I just posted a thread showing in the most simple of ways 1 man can move a 17 ton block all by himself, set it upright in a hole just like at Stone Henge, Coral Castle or any of the other great monuments! Imagine what a group dedicated to doing it could accomplish!

No, we need aliens from far away places with incredible technology to solve our problems! We need to ascend! NO WE DON'T. We need to learn how to listen to each other again, how to examine things from a simple place, and work together as we did in days of old.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...uilding-solved

[CdnSirian]

Unified Serenity brings up a good point. Do we need to ascend? Can ascension come before compassion and caring? If the entire human race were compassionate and caring beings everyone would be taken care of and happy. Then maybe we'd "ascend" (whatever that really means) without even noticing. Simply put, we would be a race of really nice people.

Can we be a race of decent people? As foolish as this is going to sound, say for example a clerk at a bank refuses to sign any foreclosure documents. He/she loses the job. Then every customer of that bank (imagine Bank of America) donates one dollar to this clerk and the family, as thanks. The clerk would suddenly be a millionaire. And every clerk refused to sign any foreclosure doc. Lost the job, received one dollar from every bank customer. And so on and so on. I know, totally Pollyanna.

That leaves the bank free to fire anyone it wants, for refusing to act so cruelly to another human being and its welfare. With no threat to anyone. To be even more preposterous, what if one CEO of one bank said "we're burning all the mortgages. We will contract with every homeowner to pay one quarter of their monthly income as payment for their house. The house will be re-assessed to market value (reducing property taxes). ".

This is beginner abundance paradigm thinking. Without FE even. Without aliens, gods, or more technology. No one does without if everyone who can gives one dollar/Euro whatever.

We all live in extreme insecurity, poor, rich, and the global controllers. If they were secure they wouldn't be manipulating us. This is one big bad dream.

Wade Frazier makes this point over and over. An abundance paradigm must at least be imagined if we are ever to get FE. Everything we think and do is currently motivated by fear of more scarcity. Omg look at what's coming next - war with Iran? Will China and Russia jump into the fray? More devastation with only the war industry making any money? More scarcity for us, even if we do have our running water and electricity.

The point being that US gets dissed for warning us that the idea of Ascension may be a huge trap. Whether or not bad/good aliens are real, are going to help or eat us alive, or whether some of us may "ascend" and end up on a parallel earthly heaven, and the rest of us will end up total slaves to the nasty global controllers, everyone equal and poor, who do we want to be?

Why wouldn't some alien race looking down at us be thinking "omg they are cavemen with some technology, let's get the heck out of here"--or "let's just go down and take the place, they don't deserve it"....

If nothing could ever change, if we cannot have FE, if we cannot develop any "ascension" properties - who are we going to be? O.K. off to work now. Regards all.

[Alie]

IMHO ...
We will never know the truth about ANY whistleblowers. That's why we've gathered around like minded folks (kind of like church denominations). And it's true, you feel like you're "home" at a particular church when you resonate with the pastor and other members. But from personal experience, I've learned how foolish it is if you think these mortal people (leadership et al) are gods.

So I say that to say ... everyone who chose to watch these interviews provided through Project Camelot (Kerry) & later joined by Bill Ryan and David Wilcock is making a free will choice to honor the leadership roles of these three folks - Kerry, Bill & David. Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

So, you see how we are "pontificators" and I think it's silly. I'd rather spend the time checking out the "leaders" that we're relying on to bring us information, RATHER than what we tend to do --- acting like we know better than them. And by the way, I "trust" Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy to bring me the best information they know how to do --- that's my due diligence based on the body of their work. I don't know David W. but they seem to be confident in his credibility, so until they aren't, he passes my scrutiny too.

Questions of course, keep our forum and community vibrant, but I think it's important to ask yourself the bigger question - whether you believe/trust Bill R., Kerry & David.

[Unified Serenity]

The light one's get on with their work quietly not looking for attention. We have a time traveler in Mr. Woods now:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DE2D6xudgbI

Yes, it's all proven now. The GFL says so. No need to do anything the GFL are doing it all. The illuminati are going away. Just raise your energy and focus on ascension. wow.... it's easy to see why ppl love these messages. Go back to sleep and rest. Just raise energy and ascend in December.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Alie (here)
Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

Ummm, no I don't think Kerry provided any proof or even attempted to mention it in the first interview that she had vetted Mr. Woods. How about some simple enlistment paperwork, or his exit paperwork, or his court martial paperwork. When was the last time you ever were involved in any legal preceedings that you did not get some paperwork?

How about a photo or two in the fields with is fellow soldiers? As I said, I've never met a soldier who did not have that, and he probably has some, but he didn't show them. He can cover up their faces. I actually do think he was in the military, but where are the basic proofs? Ok, set that all aside and think like someone who is responsible for completing missions and his men's / bases safety.

I did a little role playing the other day in my mind. I put myself in a role of a commanding officer over Mr. Wood's SEAL team. I said, if I were commanding this team, and they were doing highly classified missions and the guy with his finger on the guiding system fire controls for a million dollar deadly weapon suddenly gets a conscience and fails to complete his mission, would I send him back into the field to do even more unsavory tasks as indicated by Mr. Woods first interview?

My first priority is to complete missions and to protect my men. If a soldier is no longer trustworthy and is in direct control of such a powerful weapon as a guided tomahawk, would I give him another one to use? Forget the waste of letting it hit a "safe" area of dirt, what about him turning it around and using it on say a forward base of ours? I can see the scene,

I'm sipping coffee and talking with General X, and he says, "So, what's up with your boy Woods?" Setting my cup down, "Well Sir, we really taught him a lesson! We court martialed him to put him at even more mental stress, and he is out in the field thirty miles from here getting ready to hit that school full of those little girls to put pressure on the village to comply." The General stands up and says, "You stupid mother ❤❤❤❤er, you did what?" and just as I hear those words an alarm sounds and in comes a tomahawk with a nice camera on it for Woods to see the look on our faces as we say, "OH SH IT"!

I mean just look at this logically. Woods career was over the moment HE decided to not complete that mission. He would have either gone to prison or been sent to peel 100,000 potatoes while his contract expired. There are plenty of SEALS to take his place, he was not that valuable of an asset. No one in the military is that valuable of an asset who shows they cannot complete a mission which the military deems necessary. No, I am not justifying missions, I am a student of Sun Tzu and knowing my situation.

I have other issues with information shared in the second interview. I just do not believe all of Mr. Woods testimony about what happened in the military. We can agree or disagree on how we see Mr. Woods comments. From my experience, that part does not stand up logically. Some would say, so what, he is telling us important information. Is he really? What has he revealed that we have not heard before? Remember, repeat a lie often and the people begin to believe it. I do not believe we have anything energetically / miraculous coming Dec. 21, 2012. I do believe our environment can be manipulated by technology, politically, in the media to help us think a certain way and want certain changes. That's what I think is happening. We are being manipulated into a new world system, plain and simple.

[seehas]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by Muzz (here)
Hi Kathie
Looking into it I found this.

There is a WILLIAM NEAL BROCKBRADER on Offendex with a picture.

Which links the name to the face.

This is the same bloke as the one on the Camelot video...

Kathie

well he didnt lie on the fact with the 16year old girl, but he should have known that there is a picture of him in the internet .. so why doesnt he tell his real name directly i dont unterstand that.

didnt he say he was pretty clever and brilliant in tactical thinking he was best in the tests etc etc.. that wasnt a tactical masterpiece mr woods.

im not discrediting what he said in the both interviews but somehow this is weird

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by seehas (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by Muzz (here)
Hi Kathie
Looking into it I found this.

There is a WILLIAM NEAL BROCKBRADER on Offendex with a picture.

Which links the name to the face.

This is the same bloke as the one on the Camelot video...

Kathie

well he didnt lie on the fact with the 16year old girl, but he should have known that there is a picture of him in the internet .. so why doesnt he tell his real name directly i dont unterstand that.

I saw that yesterday. There were some comments below saying not to believe everything, so it's quite possible it was consentual and the girl has no issues, and it was used against him. That does not cooborate his story completely. I think the thing most people are interested in is looking glass, yellow book and Dec. 21, 2012. The best lies are 90% truth. I just get tired of whistle blowers not providing basic proof of their background.

I used to trust Kerry's word for it. I don't now. In fact, I don't trust anyone's word for anything anymore. I think a lot of money can be made this year pumping out books, setting up conferences, and quite frankly some people are going to go off the deep end when certain things don't happen. People can be scared easily when they put their faith into believing other's stories.

Lots of manipulation is happening right now, worldwide.

[seehas]

david wilcock stated in the interview that he brought bill in contact with guys that would eat him for breakfast if he wasnt the real deal, i realy would like to know the facts that claim was based on because the stuff i heard from him everybody can claim that watched a few camelot videos.

dont get me wrong the interview was great but im not truely convinced in woods story yet.

maybe its because i dont like the 2012 everything is going to be light and beautiful, people tend to sit on the couch and wait for things to happend ... if we as human species wait for a change nothing will change to our will.

the change has to be us

[Alie]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by Alie (here)
Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

Ummm, no I don't think Kerry provided any proof or even attempted to mention it in the first interview that she had vetted Mr. Woods. How about some simple enlistment paperwork, or his exit paperwork, or his court martial paperwork. When was the last time you ever were involved in any legal preceedings that you did not get some paperwork?

How about a photo or two in the fields with is fellow soldiers? As I said, I've never met a soldier who did not have that, and he probably has some, but he didn't show them. He can cover up their faces. I actually do think he was in the military, but where are the basic proofs? Ok, set that all aside and think like someone who is responsible for completing missions and his men's / bases safety.

I did a little role playing the other day in my mind. I put myself in a role of a commanding officer over Mr. Wood's SEAL team. I said, if I were commanding this team, and they were doing highly classified missions and the guy with his finger on the guiding system fire controls for a million dollar deadly weapon suddenly gets a conscience and fails to complete his mission, would I send him back into the field to do even more unsavory tasks as indicated by Mr. Woods first interview?

My first priority is to complete missions and to protect my men. If a soldier is no longer trustworthy and is in direct control of such a powerful weapon as a guided tomahawk, would I give him another one to use? Forget the waste of letting it hit a "safe" area of dirt, what about him turning it around and using it on say a forward base of ours? I can see the scene,

I'm sipping coffee and talking with General X, and he says, "So, what's up with your boy Woods?" Setting my cup down, "Well Sir, we really taught him a lesson! We court martialed him to put him at even more mental stress, and he is out in the field thirty miles from here getting ready to hit that school full of those little girls to put pressure on the village to comply." The General stands up and says, "You stupid mother ❤❤❤❤er, you did what?" and just as I hear those words an alarm sounds and in comes a tomahawk with a nice camera on it for Woods to see the look on our faces as we say, "OH SH IT"!

I mean just look at this logically. Woods career was over the moment HE decided to not complete that mission. He would have either gone to prison or been sent to peel 100,000 potatoes while his contract expired. There are plenty of SEALS to take his place, he was not that valuable of an asset. No one in the military is that valuable of an asset who shows they cannot complete a mission which the military deems necessary. No, I am not justifying missions, I am a student of Sun Tzu and knowing my situation.

I have other issues with information shared in the second interview. I just do not believe all of Mr. Woods testimony about what happened in the military. We can agree or disagree on how we see Mr. Woods comments. From my experience, that part does not stand up logically. Some would say, so what, he is telling us important information. Is he really? What has he revealed that we have not heard before? Remember, repeat a lie often and the people begin to believe it. I do not believe we have anything energetically / miraculous coming Dec. 21, 2012. I do believe our environment can be manipulated by technology, politically, in the media to help us think a certain way and want certain changes. That's what I think is happening. We are being manipulated into a new world system, plain and simple.

Thank Serenity
I understand where you are coming from, as many on this forum are in that mindset. My point was that I am not here to second guess Kerry because I could go elsewhere to get this kind of information. She's NOT accountable to me. She's doing me a service, and as I say as a furniture salesperson, you're buying it "as is".

[CeltMan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Re Sorcha Faal: I don't believe a word of what he (Sorcha Faal = CIA agent David Wood) says... ever. There's no reason to suppose that his claimed report of the sounds in the underground bases is valid simply because it's convenient to believe it.

Quote: ‘Sasha Faal’

Hi Bill,

I would like to have you clarify a point you made regarding ‘Sorcha Faal’= Dave Wood/CIA’

Can we assume that you have seen actual proof of this?

If that is so, then it begs the question, as to why D.Wilcock is quoting him (S.F.)-as an authentic source of info?

This must mean, that D.W. has been duped along with numerous others?

And also why did B.W. not intervene and correct him?

Surely B.W. must know, with his privileged access to high levels of secrecy if S.F. is genuine or indeed a CIA agent?

Is the reason that you did not intervene to correct D.W. yourself, that you did not wish him to lose credibility on this event?

And, if you are aware of this info, does that also mean that Kerry is party to those facts as well?

For myself, I am indeed interested to verify this as a fact. I have been a follower of the web site ‘WhatDoesItMean.com’ for past 6 + years.
For those not knowing, it is run by Sorcha Faal.

Yes, I can see that there are obvious ‘fear mongering’ reports there. I ignore them.
But there is also a large amount of useful data, much of which is verified by other sources.

Of course I had read ‘disinfo & debunking reports’ about S.F. These have been addressed on the site by S.F., as being ‘wicked lies concocted to discredit a truth teller’

If this is true about S.F., then the hypothesis that ‘insidious lies are best hidden in a varnish of truth’ is also possibly true about that web site.

Whereas I am not happy to think that I have been duped by S.F., I feel it is more important that D.W. and B.W. are also being duped, and if by S.F., then what else?

Having said that, (as per my previous posts on this thread) I do feel that the message of the conference was essentially a positive one for mankind.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Alie (here)
Thank Serenity
I understand where you are coming from, as many on this forum are in that mindset. My point was that I am not here to second guess Kerry because I could go elsewhere to get this kind of information. She's NOT accountable to me. She's doing me a service, and as I say as a furniture salesperson, you're buying it "as is".

Well, I guess I was under the delusion that she was trying to portray herself as a journalist bringing forth information from whistle blowers to the truth movement, hence we are expected to believe it's the truth. Basic proofs of who someone is at the beginning of a relationship as a WB would assist in that aspect. I have shared parts of the Woods interview that do not stand up to logic or even bring value to the already given testimony. Thus what do we have recently that has happened?

Let's go back a few weeks. We have a community in an uproar over a previous interview with DW not living up to his own words of the hereafter, so who cares if one dies or not, they go on, right? So, some were very drawn in to the drama and others not so much. Many afterwards started openly wondering if it was all a manipulation and how valuable the information really was that DW did finally reveal. Some saw great value in it, but there was still lots of doubts.

Then suddenly we get a new whistle blower who has very important information. Without rehashing the first BW interview with KC, there was an element of danger which oddly was no longer present 25 minutes into the interview so they could go to a nice quiet place for the rest of the story. Then, nothing new is really revealed and there is more buzz. The community is all jabbering away, typing like crazed minions on the forums, and we get a second interview and who takes it over? Why DW of course. Hmmmmmmmm.... now call me cranky, call me a skeptic, call me a thorn in your sides, but could this whole thing have been contrived to bring DW back into the limelight as a sound source and credible even important member of the deep insider high muckety mucks of the the truth community who is to be looked to for validation and rescue his somewhat tarnished image based on recent events?

Could there be any incentive to keeping DW in the limelight? I'm just asking questions and looking at the events as an investigator of truth. I obviously do not have the answers, but these are my observations of late. BW could not even answer quickly how big X was. Something he supposedly had his eyeballs on. How big is your car? Hmmm, I think 1 second and say, "Well, it's about 12 feet long and 5 feet high." It does not take me a long time to think that over, get my drift?

[Unified Serenity]

And just in case you don't like my military example, let me put this on a forum level. Let's say we get some rogue administrator on this forum. They have access to the forum bank accounts and all coding. They are even the SENIOR administrator. Bill Ryan wakes up one morning to see his forum scrapped, hell it's even got pornography pics on the front page, his forum bank account empty and money donated to a Rothschild group. The rogue admin said he had a change of conscience.

So, what does Bill do? Does bill get rid of said admin, or does he talk with him a bit, say you're under contract and I won a battle in court, which you will suffer if you don't do as I say, now post a bunch of stuff you don't like, monitor the site daily and oh yeh, here's all the passwords and code to maintain the site, or does Bill show him the door and/or collect on the fines and penalties for robbing him blind?

Just sayin

[Tarka the Duck]

Out of curiosity, I sent an email to Don Shipley, the ex Navy SEAL who wrote the letter in post 187, maintaining that Bill "Wood" was never a SEAL.

I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth...and I have just received this reply from him. Make of it what you will.


> Follow this one VERY CLOSE, Kathie... It's going to get ugly for Bill...Don

[Mightyram]

I take it then that this guy would know that Bill is not his real name,but still choose to use it in a response to you ?.

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by Mightyram (here)
I take it then that this guy would know that Bill is not his real name,but still choose to use it in a response to you ?.

It seems that Bill is his real name (see the earlier posts with photo) - William Neal Brockbrader.

Kathie

[modwiz]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by Alie (here)
Thank Serenity
I understand where you are coming from, as many on this forum are in that mindset. My point was that I am not here to second guess Kerry because I could go elsewhere to get this kind of information. She's NOT accountable to me. She's doing me a service, and as I say as a furniture salesperson, you're buying it "as is".

Well, I guess I was under the delusion that she was trying to portray herself as a journalist bringing forth information from whistle blowers to the truth movement, hence we are expected to believe it's the truth. Basic proofs of who someone is at the beginning of a relationship as a WB would assist in that aspect. I have shared parts of the Woods interview that do not stand up to logic or even bring value to the already given testimony. Thus what do we have recently that has happened?

Let's go back a few weeks. We have a community in an uproar over a previous interview with DW not living up to his own words of the hereafter, so who cares if one dies or not, they go on, right? So, some were very drawn in to the drama and others not so much. Many afterwards started openly wondering if it was all a manipulation and how valuable the information really was that DW did finally reveal. Some saw great value in it, but there was still lots of doubts.

Then suddenly we get a new whistle blower who has very important information. Without rehashing the first BW interview with KC, there was an element of danger which oddly was no longer present 25 minutes into the interview so they could go to a nice quiet place for the rest of the story. Then, nothing new is really revealed and there is more buzz. The community is all jabbering away, typing like crazed minions on the forums, and we get a second interview and who takes it over? Why DW of course. Hmmmmmmmm.... now call me cranky, call me a skeptic, call me a thorn in your sides, but could this whole thing have been contrived to bring DW back into the limelight as a sound source and credible even important member of the deep insider high muckety mucks of the the truth community who is to be looked to for validation and rescue his somewhat tarnished image based on recent events?

Could there be any incentive to keeping DW in the limelight? I'm just asking questions and looking at the events as an investigator of truth. I obviously do not have the answers, but these are my observations of late. BW could not even answer quickly how big X was. Something he supposedly had his eyeballs on. How big is your car? Hmmm, I think 1 second and say, "Well, it's about 12 feet long and 5 feet high." It does not take me a long time to think that over, get my drift?

Kerry is Kerry. She means well and tries to keep her bills paid, or more. She is really a very important part of this community and her dropping out would be something I would rather not consider. Like us all she continues to from at the exponential rates of our times. She is one of us, a bit of an insider, she has a useful website and is a prolific interviewer. Given the price of admission, she is generous and giving, regardless of whether I agree with her or have trouble dealing with her audio karma. It does look like it is easing though. Good for here and us.

US, you have also inserted yourself in a very giving fashion and are a prolific producer yourself. As you know personally, doing that will get you tomatoes you didn't buy.

[firstlook]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks Modwiz, and point taken graciously. I love tomatoes btw.

I defended KC during the interview as people were making some very unkind and ugly comments about her. I do not have a personal grudge against KC at all. I like watching her interviews, well I really used to like it, but the last few (DW and BW) did not sit well with me. I don't know the details. I call things as I see them. I have not until recently thought KC was trying to manipulate events. I can be a bit paranoid and mistrusting of people who seem a little too something, so I am not going to just judge someone for wondering if they are being messed with via audio feeds, video, and the occaisional harassing helicopter. I have personally been harassed by an alphabet agency for my radio show back in the 90's. I revealed stuff that was NOT available elsewhere and they wanted me off the air. Needless to say the 50k watt station went 24 hr sports and I lost my show.

I went back to my own research and left the public scene as it were. I think DW is a marketing genious. I think he has used KC and BR for his own benefit. Sure he has written books and many have benefited from his books, but he could just as easily put up a website with the original writers of that material and sold their stuff, but then hey, he would't have a big time gig on the alternative talking circuit then would he? I know that is hard to hear, and well maybe there is a place for him because a LOT of those people who wrote that stuff are not around now, some are and they have a real bone to pick with DW.

I actually thought KC did a fine job in the online event the other night. My spirit just is watching, my head is evaluating, and I have shared some discrepencies I have noticed. Those who put themselves out there, I guess in a way this applies to me too per Modwiz based on the stuff I share be viewed as being honest and not manipulating for profit and position. I'm not selling anything. If I do write and publish a book, I will say it up front. I will do fusion marketing where ever possible, I will use legitimate guerrilla marketing techniques where I can (It's how I built my holistic spa business where I live and sold in 2005), and I will network as much as possible. My mom and dad did not send me to one of the finest private Universities in the country to get my marketing degree for me to not use it to it's fullest potential ya know.

My gut tells me KC is being used by DW. I will leave it at that. Some won't like it, but that's where I am heading after watching all of this.