Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[TargeT]

Posted by Kano (here)
It's too early to burn this guy at the stake. At the end of the day, he has not crossed any boundaries that would suggest he is a fraud.

I can tell by that statement you've never been in the military

for example, watch a movie about the military with a current member of the branch the movie is about, i guarentee you they won't shut up about how everything is done wrong in the movie..

you see we do things in a VERY VERY VERY predictable, ordered way, there is a Technical Manuel (TM) for how to do ANYTHING you could ever think of doing in the military.. & if there isn't there's probably an SOP (Standard operating procedure) written up on it.

maybe that's not a clear way of stating it..

we do things a certain way.... ALWAYS, any deviation of that "way" is IMMEDATELY obvious to anyone with more than 2 years of service under their belt.. in fact we are trained to spot these inconsistancies and correct them

Take a look at this picture:


notice anything wrong? anyone who's been in the military will instantly tell you whats wrong with this while most civilians won't have a clue.

its a black and white world, the military... thats why you see so much vitriol against a guy claiming to have broken what we shared, a common bond, a common brotherhood... well apparently he wasn't in THAT military, but some special one that functions differently than the MILLIONS of us know of.

I hope that sort of illistrates why there's so much IMMEDIATE backlash... a civilian wouldn't understand & its clear that this guy (Bill W.) is one (I M O)

You don't learn this **** from tom clancy novels...

[gripreaper]

Posted by firstlook (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by sdafnom (here)
01:38:40 The last seven moves on the chess game...
I have the feeling that the "uphold" of the rules of the game is taken for granted here. (in order for the specific result / conclusion to be drawn) .
What if the rules can be bend or broken on a technicality / interference?
Any thoughts?

Stavros

Incidentally in the rules of chess each player must write down his move against the proper number of moves. If it is an organised game the players must play with a clock. They must press their clock with the same hand that they moved the piece with. If one player is running out of time they are allowed to just put a line instead of writing their move, but the other player who is not running out of time MUST write his move down. If the person who is running out of time (and usually they are losing) notices that the other person didn't write their moves down properly they can call on a referee and claim the game. I played competitive chess for 30 yrs. These are the rules. So the person who can see he is going to be checkmated can pull a fast one provided the other person is lax.
The game is not over until it is over.

Stan

It would be interesting to see someone like you to somehow draw up a model representation based on Chess in a certain set of parameters to somehow further consolidate possible outcomes. Much like those chess magazines I've seen that outlay all those strategies. I think alot of people here could make it very productive.

Could make for a good analogy that presents a clear picture to work with. Maybe?

I found this at DW forum, written by daven, and it illustrates a very concise chess move analogy. I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here:

Subject:

The Largest Financial Bubble of All Time, The Derivatives Bubble.

The biggest financial bubble of all time is the Derivatives Bubble. Essentially a derivative is insurance on a commodity. When it's used properly in this context, a derivative is helpful because it can help farmers lock in prices for their crops, and fuel users lock in prices for fuel costs.

BUT, when Glass-Steagals was removed under Clinton , Goldman Sachs invented a derivative which is insurance on a loan. When a bank issues a loan, it takes a risk. To remove risk, the bank buys an insurance policy in case of default, called a Credit Default Swap, or CDS.

Insurance essentially is a bet. Take Health Insurance. You bet the insurance company a small amount each month that you won't get sick. The company wins each month you're healthy, and takes in your monthly fee payment. But, if you get sick, the insurance company's side of the bet is to pay out a sum for your health costs.

CDS's are similar in concept, with two major differences:

1.) A bank can take out multiple insurance policies on one loan.
2.) You don't need to issue or receive the loan to get insurance on that loan. You can take out insurance on someone else's loan! This is no longer insurance - it really is a bet.

The monthly or quarterly payments on those insurance policies make up the bulk of Large Investment Banks and Hedge Fund's revenues. That's why they rigorously defend Derivatives against regulation. That's why even after the 2008 crisis where Derivatives in the form of CDO's demolished Lehman brothers and AIG, and today CDS's smashed MF Global and Dexia, those same banks STILL increased their derivatives number to astonishing levels.

It's that lucrative... and dangerous.

Satyajit Das is the world authority on Derivatives, and author of the seminal book on it, "Traders, Guns and Money: Knowns and Unknowns in the Dazzling World of Derivatives". He lucidly explains how CDS's work in this clip from the Academy Award winning documentary "Inside Job."

http://youtu.be/nUwU9G87RKM

The reason why the Derivatives Bubble is the largest Financial Bubble of all time is because of the value of all derivatives that exist in the system. Here's the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) own document on the current number of "known" OTC (Over The Counter) derivatives.

http://www.bis.org/statistics/otcder/dt1920a.pdf

Listed on line 1, Jun 2011 - $707,569 BILLION, aka $707 TRILLION. And that's just OTC. That does not include the arcane world of Credit Derivatives!

To put that in perspective, the real world economy, in $, of the USA is 14 trillion. The world GDP is just about 60 TRILLION. 707 trillion is over 10X the world's GDP. Current estimates range from 707 trillion OTC Derivatives, to a total of 1 $quadrillion in derivatives if you factor in estimates on Credit Derivatives. That's 1000 trillion dollars... on the books.

Some analysts scoff at that number. They say, "well that's just a Notional amount. It does't exist. There isn't that much money in the world! It's just used to calculate percentages for payments, so it's NOT IMPORTANT."

This is why the Notional is critically important.

You have a $100,000 loan. The bank you get the loan from, insures the $100,000 with a $100,000 policy. That's $200,000 in the books, one is a loan, the other is an insurance policy. Then 100 people ALSO take out $100,000 policies on that same $100,000 loan.

So that's 102 X $100,000 on the books. That equals $10,200,000 - that's the $100,000 loan and $10,100,000 in insurance policies. That's just ONE loan. That $10,200,000 is the NOTIONAL number. That's the preposterous number on the books. When that single loan goes south, guess how much money is paid out?

$10,200,000.

That $100,000 loan got leveraged 102X.

That's why financial institutions prefer large credit risks, because the worse the risk, the faster the default, and the bigger the payout.

This is plain and simple INSURANCE FRAUD. For small time offenders, this is a Felony punishable by 5 years in prison and a $50,000 fine.

But this fraud is on the scale of 700 to 1000 $Trillion.


6.) Asia 's Gambit

In the Game, the West focused on military moves by encircling China , bombing Libya , poking Russia , and provoking Iran . The only financial move the West made was to plow massive quantities of cash into Treasuries for safety. This was a critical mistake.

Asia made two power moves in its gambit:

A.) Asia has 3 trillion in Treasuries, which is 20% of the total US debt. China has 1.15 trillion, which is about 8% of US debt. These quantities can move interest rates, and cornered the West with two Treasury rooks.
B.) Asia 's sting operation with the bonds is the gambit. The bonds are the lawsuit fianchetto, and the gold bonds are the triple knight fork.

7.) The Golden Triple Knight Fork and Lawsuit Fianchetto

When the West took the Japanese bond gambit, it set the stage for a legal fianchetto attack on the US 's ability to follow contract laws. People can and will break contracts. Lawyers and court systems exist to pay damages and enforce contract laws. If the law cannot be enforced, contract breakers become credit risks with bad ratings and publicity. For individuals, breaking a contract means bad credit and difficulty getting a loan. For businesses it means difficulty staying in business. For governments, the results include wars, gov collapse, economic chaos, and depression, akin to Argentina , Iceland , and Greece .

Contract laws form the foundation of healthy economic systems. Otherwise, it would be a free for all pirate society, which is a difficult environment for any honest entrepreneur or business.

The Golden Triple Knight Fork is the Dragon Families' positional attack, by requesting that the contracts on those bonds be honored and repatriate the gold back to Asia .

The Golden Triple Knight Fork has three outcomes.

Fork 1:
The suit goes to court, Dragon Families win, and the gold repatriates back to Asia .

This opens up a can of worms because it reveals the paper trail that leads to the logistics of the World Trade Centers on 9/11. The world also discovers a viable alternative to fiat currency. In this climate of Occupy Wall Street, Ron Paul, and anger at the Fed and Central Banks at a historic high, this is fatal for the Banking Cartel and the political elite.

This is the best case scenario, and IMO, the least likely to occur.

Fork 2:
The US does NOT honor the contracts on the 60 year bonds.

If that's the case, what makes the Global Market think the US will honor the contracts on Treasuries AT ALL?

Remember Pres. Obama making assurances to Pres. Hu regarding China 's Treasury holdings? Hu's meeting with Obama was Asia 's opening moves.

End result - Treasuries are worth less, and Treasuries dumping follows, causing interest rates to rise. When Treasury interest rates rise, the Treasury must use more tax revenue to pay the interest burden which can be 25% to 50% of all revenue! This bankrupts the Federal Government.

The critical key is this POPS the Derivatives bubble. The bets that Treasuries wouldn't rise above 2% will be called by the counter party. And because Treasuries are worth less, insurance policies are called by everyone who bought them - and the financial institutions have to pay up. The final effect is international. The Western Financial System is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT on the Fed Reserve, as Jon Stewart and Senator Sanders illustrate.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...ext-tarp-model
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060dcbb3c3

Western Financial Institutions can't pay back the Fed's loans due to derivatives losses, while the Fed is deprived of reserves to multiply into new loans, because more tax revenue is used to pay the rising interest. All while owing 700 to 1000 trillion in the Derivatives Black Hole of Destruction.

And if they are suicidal, they'll try to hyperinflate, which will inflame the current economic protests into massive Western World chaos with a networked and aware population that's ALREADY gunning for them. Inflation of commodities, like food and fuel, directly ignited the Arab Spring.

Fork 3:
The US stops the lawsuit in it's tracks. Registering the complaint formalized and legitimized the case. The result is the same as Fork 2.

8.) Checkmate

The Asians don't need to dump 3 trillion of Treasuries to get interest rates to go up. 1% out of the total 15 trillion US debt is 150 billion. A 150 billion dump will do wonders to raise the interest rate above 2%. That will implode the derivatives bubble and decapitate the Financial Elite.

By checkmating the Western Financial Elite this way, the Asians can simply state that basic contract laws and economic fundamentals were violated, and there was no deliberate malicious economic acts that might cause retaliatory trade sanctions and wars.

And they'll be absolutely right.

Best Chess Game Evah.

"Why is it that the financial institutions, who took Federal Reserve Loans, would rather destroy their own national economies, sell off their assets, eat themselves out from the inside, and go for bailouts RATHER than liquidate any of their Treasury holdings?"

It has everything to do with the role of US Treasuries in the Derivatives bubble. By the way, instead of calling them DERIVATIVES, let's call them INSURANCE. Hopefully that will help clarify them.

Imagine this. You're the colossal vampire squid of finance, and you bought 1 billion in US Treasuries. That's 1 billion out of a total of 15 trillion US debt.

Now you know that there's no investment in the world that can parallel with the dependability of a US Treasury. In fact, it's so unparalleled, that as the colossal squid, you have no problems with selling insurance on a US Treasury. You can even say because you OWN US Treasuries, you've got the integrity to go ahead and sell insurance on em cause you're in them.

"CDS's on US Treasuries, we guarantee you the full amount of your Treasuries in the highly unlikely black swan event that the US Government defaults."

"That'll never happen," says the potential client, "why should I buy your insurance when that won't happen?"

"OK then we will guarantee the principal of your loan should the interest rate RISE on it. Cause we all know that if the interest rate rises, that means that the Treasury is worth less than what you paid for, and you're going to have trouble selling the Treasury off."

"Now that's more like it. Where do I sign up? Interest rates rise and fall all the time, and I gotta make up for the difference. Why wait for the US government to pay when I can get it from insurance?"

Soon the Colossal squid has sold 75 trillion in insurance policies to cover 1 to 2 billion dollars in Treasury holdings. Never mind that most of the people who bought the insurance policy didn't even own a Treasury in the first place, which of course, makes it a bet, and not insurance. And what were they betting? Some bet the interest rate would drop. Most bet that it would rise.

Those insurance policies bring in hundreds of millions of dollars every year from quarterly insurance payments. That's what we call dependable, rock solid cash flow, all on guaranteed, rock solid sovereign debt called Treasuries.

The Colossal Squid is looking like a rock star in the financial world. "They sold insurance on US Treasuries? That's like selling earthquake insurance... in New Jersey . An Earth Quake will never happen!"

Ah, but an Earthquake DID happen.. in New Freaking Jersey ... in August of last year.

And a Financial Quake is slamming Europe . And here's the problem.

If the banks and financial institutions sell off their Treasuries, the interest rates will rise. What happens when the interest rates rise?

That's right, it's time to pay everyone who won that bet. To the tune of, for Colossal squid, 75 trillion dollars. And we wonder why Bank of America tried to unload 75 trillion in insurance losses on the FDIC. Remember, I'm now referring to Derivatives as insurance, because that's what they essentially are.

Do you think anyone has 75 trillion to payout in insurance policies?

Nope.

Do you think Colossal squid will aid in it's own demise by selling off it's own holding of 1 billion in Treasuries just to pay off some of those policies? Especially when that 1 billion will nudge up that interest rate? Hell no.

Guess how much in Treasuries Institutional Investors have? This is a bit dated, but aside from #1 the Fed, Institutional Investors are the 2nd largest holders of Treasuries.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29880401/The_..._Debt?slide=15

You now have the motivations for the following: why those Fed Loans were used by those banks to buy US Treasuries; why those institutions will do ANYTHING to keep the Treasury interest rate from going up; AND the reason why Pres. Obama is calling to raise the deficit ceiling in his final year.

What, you thought it was just to fund the government?

If they can sell more Treasuries, they can keep that interest rate DOWN, avoid a colossal loss of a bet, and the fastest bubble collapse in history.

Too bad they're going to lose. India is already trading with Iran with gold for oil. Think they're gonna need those dollars anymore?

http://youtu.be/3vD8Y1jLo58

Remember, most countries don't use dollars in dollar form. Want to know what a cash equivalent to the US dollar is?

A Treasury Bill, or T-bills for short.

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showt...amily-law-suit

[cowens66]

Humm. I don't post here much as anyone can see if they look. I pop in regularly, check what is going on or being discussed. I don't usually comment because I find often that in reading the posts what I would say or ask is usually already taken care of..Thank you all for that.

But for some reason I feel compelled to add my 2 cents here.

Just to start with a little background so you all don't think I'm brand new to this info just because you don't see or hear much from me..I was a member of PC when the Dan Burish material was hot and fresh. I can't say how long I've been following Bill and Kerry because I can't remember =) but it's been long enough I guess. I have watched or read just about everything in the library there.

I watched the first interview with BW that Kerry did and I watched the interview by BR, KC and DW. All of it.

I'm not here to say whether I believe everything that BW said or not. It's way too early for that. Some of what he said resonated and some words and actions didn't. That may just be how I'm perceiving, receiving the info. What I do want to say is....maybe slow it down just a bit.

I don't think that if BW was in an ATS position, not top secret, above top secret there would be any record of his service. Telling the truth or not, telling some version of the truth or not at this point is irrelevant. Above top secret means just that. "They" are capable of completely wiping a record.

As far as debunking procedure I would like to give a little example of how that can go. And who is to say that the debunker doesn't have an agenda? I don't know do you?

I would like to use BestLion as an example because you seem to me to be the loudest and often the first to jump in with this kind of info.


Your military photo, something about it didn't ring true for me. Maybe it was the tilt of the cover soldier.

So in what you have displayed as debunking protocol, I did a google search of the US Army uniform. Just about every uniform is available online to view. I specifically searched USArmy uniform during Gulf War. I did not see your uniform in any of the images.

If I did not look much further into this matter and posted this information here in a derogatory, accusatory manner others may think that you did not serve in the US Army at all. I am not saying you didn't. That is easy to find out if I wanted to take the time right now, what I'm saying is just because someone, a seal, a RAV or anyone else says, or even believes that this guy is not legit doesn't make it so or not so.

I know that I am taking liberties here with this comparison but I am just trying to make a point. I come here for information. My time is somewhat limited and often I see discussions go off rail until Bill comes along with some insight that changes the course of the conversation.

It can be entertaining and distracting but it is not really of value yet. It may be true that he is a fraud, it may not and nothing you have said so far would convince me one way or the other.

What I think, jmho, was valuable in the interviews was a confirmation of information that I think many of us know. That human potential is so much more than we are able to see through the veil. For now the idea that the veil may be lifted sooner rather than later is good news and resonates.

Oh if you need to know something of me I was married for 11yrs to a retired marine corps colonel, Vietnam vet. who still works in a military capacity. I can't say more about that and that gives me an understanding of BW not being able to discuss everything. BTW I have lived with a retired Navy MC for the past ten years. Can't say more about that either....I can see that this "not being able to say more" can make the conversation awkward at times.

One thing I can say; I'm not impressed by military service records. Though I seem to keep ending up in long term relationships with military personnel, very fond of them apparently, I am far far from a fan of the military organization. It is a mind control operation on the scale of religion. jmh-long winded-o. Semper Fi Shipmate.

[TargeT]

Posted by cowens66 (here)
I would like to use TopLion as an example because you seem to me to be the loudest and often the first to jump in with this kind of info.


Your military photo, something about it didn't ring true for me. Maybe it was the tilt of the cover soldier.

So in what you have displayed as debunking protocol, I did a google search of the US Army uniform. Just about every uniform is available online to view. I specifically searched USArmy uniform during Gulf War. I did not see your uniform in any of the images.

If I did not look much further into this matter and posted this information here in a derogatory, accusatory manner others may think that you did not serve in the US Army at all.

Do you feel you did "due diligence" in your checking on BestLion? because I feel I have done my due diligence with what I've posted in this thread concerning military record keeping & the inconsistancies..

again we are running into "civilian thinking" vrs " military thinking" (sort of)


the uniform he is wearing is CLASS B dress uniform with a relic style hat on (my opinon.. haha that hat is an OPTION to the (now berret) then hodog vender hat.. seen below)


this is a form of our "dress uniform" and you will not see it anywhere but Garrison (the rear.. state side, pentigon, etc... **** like that) you DEFINATELY will not see it on combat troops.

I immediately recognized it... not even a second of hesitation, and yet you choose to question this... this goes back to the different mentalities & "conditioning" we go through as soldiers and apparently is hard to explain to people that haven't been through it...

this is sort of likeyou calling into quetion students reacting to a bell in school... (its an apropriate analogy.. or as much as I can give right now).

I'm not above top secret. but I hold that clearance... you can find all kinds of records on me

tho I am not black ops, or a whiltle blower in anyway..

it could be that he is telling the truth, what some of us are doing is laying the foundations that he's not, by some (to some) very obvious errors.

[Kimberley]

Much love to you Cowens!!! your contribution is of great value to us all!!!

Posted by cowens66 (here)
One thing I can say; I'm not impressed by military service records. Though I seem to keep ending up in long term relationships with military personnel, very fond of them apparently, I am far far from a fan of the military organization. It is a mind control operation on the scale of religion. jmh-long winded-o. Semper Fi Shipmate.

[Cottage Rose]

Posted by 000 (here)
A mental filing technique I use to gather a sense of the 'big picture':

Imagine each individual source of information, whether they are a whistleblower, an experiencer, et al, as a single transparency sheet in your mind. On their sheet, in a grid form, are boxes representing the information that they have brought to the table.

When I 'stack' all of those mental transparency sheet filings in my mind, I can see where all the filled boxes of information overlap and where they do not. When many boxes align an overlap through all of the mental transparencies, that is something I look more deeply into to gain confirmations. Some boxes do not overlap as often, so I leave them be until they do or do not overlap enough to grab my attention, in other words I leave them in a 'pending review' state. Then there are the scattered boxes which rarely overlap or do not overlap at all and are on the outskirts of the transparencies. This is usually transient noise and is either pending or discarded.

It is not the easiest thing to describe in words, so my definition of this information gathering and corroboration technique is coarse grained at best, but you might get the gist of it. I know some people are not as deeply 'visual' thinkers with regards to their critical thinking, and it may not work for some, but if you are a visual thinker, it may be of aid. It has proven very helpful lately to me. A disclaimer is that I practice projective psi and receptive psi regularly and the information gathered from those experiences also forms these 'transparencies' in my mind although they are filed along with the rest but are 'tagged' as data gathered from psi practice.

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The video conference call from Bill Wood (although it seems we may now know his real name from earlier in this thread), David Wilcock, Bill and Kerry was very well done and appreciated on my end, my gratitude to all involved. A lot of what was discussed lines up with some very 'thick' and 'brightly glowing' stacks of transparency data boxes I have gathered in my mind over the years and through experiences in this life so there is definitely something to it. This is of course from my perspective and is solely my own. I shall not press this perspective on others as our data sets are not the same.

I am sensing one complete round in an upward spiral resulting in two of the most coherent energies involved with Looking Glass, formerly perhaps entangled at a distance, joining forces for the next round. I am elated when these types of events occur.

[Unified Serenity]

Buds training is BUDS training. There is no secrecy there. Don't take the word of two ex-SEALS who are respected members of the military community, that's fine. Take the word of a person whose story does not add up. I notice no one has bothered to comment on my analogy in an earlier thread of continueing to use a SEAL to complete missions when they have shown a willingness to disobey orders and could turn that very weapon against their own men / base.

It makes no sense. I am referring to post :

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post411728

and the one further down if Bill Ryan had a rogue admin:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post411774

His story does not line up. It seems obvious some of you would rather not look at basic logic and so need to believe, that nothing else matters.

Nuff said for now. Even a full FOIA stating he, BW, never did serve as a SEAL will matter because it's all been removed because his missions were sooooo top secret. You don't get much more top secret than my dad's service and his records were not wiped clean. Some of his missions will probably never be declassified, but he will show as having served, where, and in what capacity.

[Kano]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Kano (here)
It's too early to burn this guy at the stake. At the end of the day, he has not crossed any boundaries that would suggest he is a fraud.

I can tell by that statement you've never been in the military

for example, watch a movie about the military with a current member of the branch the movie is about, i guarentee you they won't shut up about how everything is done wrong in the movie..

you see we do things in a VERY VERY VERY predictable, ordered way, there is a Technical Manuel (TM) for how to do ANYTHING you could ever think of doing in the military.. & if there isn't there's probably an SOP (Standard operating procedure) written up on it.

maybe that's not a clear way of stating it..

we do things a certain way.... ALWAYS, any deviation of that "way" is IMMEDATELY obvious to anyone with more than 2 years of service under their belt.. in fact we are trained to spot these inconsistancies and correct them

Take a look at this picture:


notice anything wrong? anyone who's been in the military will instantly tell you whats wrong with this while most civilians won't have a clue.

its a black and white world, the military... thats why you see so much vitriol against a guy claiming to have broken what we shared, a common bond, a common brotherhood... well apparently he wasn't in THAT military, but some special one that functions differently than the MILLIONS of us know of.

I hope that sort of illistrates why there's so much IMMEDIATE backlash... a civilian wouldn't understand & its clear that this guy (Bill W.) is one (I M O)

You don't learn this **** from tom clancy novels...

No, I have never been in the military, but thank you for your service.

Having had 2 grandfathers in the military, I am familiar that there is a prescribed protocol to breathing in the military.

However, the well made point you make is simply not meaty enough for me to think BW is a fraud.

I don't mean to be presumptuous but I think we can both agree that there is a huge amount of compartmentalization in the military. So by that very virtue, it means it is possible and even likely that if BW's story is true, you would be none the wiser and without any means of confirming the veracity of his claims.

BTW, my guess about what's wrong with the picture is that his shirt is too open up by his neck.

Cheers,
Kano

[TargeT]

good guess; but its a trick question... Military individuals are NOT allowed to support politics in uniform (EVER).

sorry for the sneakyness. this was even a news story, this poor kid got busted for that and an interview he did the same night; were I there I would have told him of his error.


you are ABSOLUTELY correct however, this is NOT "over and done with" right now I'm not putting much mental effort into it because on the scale of TRUTH & BULL**** he's tilting to bull**** due to a couple of things.

I don't know that ANYTHING he said moves him at all to "truth" I could have given that interview & the answers that he gave based on my readings on this forum.....


I like to reduce things, what I see here is this:

he talks about a lot of stuff that has already been talked about; he talks about stuff he can't talk about & he talks about his military carreer (which I have serious doubts over).

he makes some fantastic baseless claims that only stand up if ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE who've made fantastic mostly baseless claims stories hold up... its a house of cards to me and I think a strong wind is comming...

I could be wrong, I hope there's some group of 130 countries (or 127.. wtf ever...) that is going to save the world, that's an awesome day dream.. but reality is not looking like that's what I should be planned for or foucsing on

[Kano]

Posted by TargeT (here)
good guess; but its a trick question... Military individuals are NOT allowed to support politics in uniform (EVER).

sorry for the sneakyness. this was even a news story, this poor kid got busted for that and an interview he did the same night; were I there I would have told him of his error.


you are ABSOLUTELY correct however, this is NOT "over and done with" right now I'm not putting much mental effort into it because on the scale of TRUTH & BULL**** he's tilting to bull**** due to a couple of things.

I don't know that ANYTHING he said moves him at all to "truth" I could have given that interview & the answers that he gave based on my readings on this forum.....


I like to reduce things, what I see here is this:

he talks about a lot of stuff that has already been talked about; he talks about stuff he can't talk about & he talks about his military carreer (which I have serious doubts over).

he makes some fantastic baseless claims that only stand up if ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE who've made fantastic mostly baseless claims stories hold up... its a house of cards to me and I think a strong wind is comming...

I could be wrong, I hope there's some group of 130 countries (or 127.. wtf ever...) that is going to save the world, that's an awesome day dream.. but reality is not looking like that's what I should be planned for or foucsing on

Isn't it possible that the military careers of BW and the like are designed to leave the door open to plausible deniability and illicit the very response you are giving?

[cowens66]

Do you feel you did "due diligence" in your checking on BestLion?

TargeT,,, you missed the point here. I said right up front that I did not research hard. I was using HIS google search example. I was making the point there that doing a search that way is not a sound practice. Now your research may be much more in depth than that, I'm sure it is.

Still doesn't really matter yet. I do understand a vet's response to the idea of false service indications. The Vietnam Vet I mentioned told me how to know if someone was "in country" ? or not and why that would piss him off. It would piss me off too. I understand that part of it.

I strongly feel that if BW, or anyone was really ats there would not be a record, post above or pre above, if that is what tptb want to portray. They can portray this guy or anyone else as having never even existed really. Look I'm not saying I am on this guys bandwagon. Things about the interviews didn't sit well but I'm willing to hold judgment for now.

There are alot of things done in the military that "us civilians" wouldn't understand and there are many things that military personnel do that shouldn't be and is not really bragged about,,,if you get what I'm saying there? So.. though I understand how those statements verify what you are saying because I have known military members for so long they may come across to most civilians as a "boys club" looking out at the uninitiated. Best not to go too far down that road because if people look in at the initiated they may not like everything they see.

I do want to thank you. You have again done what you obviously feel is a service to us all here and I truly do appreciate that. Either way it turns out, this guy being a fraud or not, you seem like a legitimately caring person and I recognize that. Cowens

[aranuk]

I must say although I enjoyed the Q&A's video I couldn't help notice that all four on the screen had their names below their pictures....except you know who. Yes DW didn't have his name below his picture he had his book title. Source field investigations. I mean to say. He had free advertising all 3 hrs of it.
Was that written into the contract with Kerry I wonder?

Stan

[Lazlo]

There seems to be quite a bit of pontification and speculation about whether or not BW's military records would have been scrubbed and whether or not anything could be proven.

A FOIA request for the records of Colonel Philip Corso produced results. Surely if anyone would be completely scrubbed from every military database, it would have been Corso. While the FOIA request did produce some evidence that was contrary to claims made in "The Day After Roswell", he had a verifiable record of service.

I would suggest anyone that has any doubts take a few moments to peruse the following link:

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/corso_da66.htm

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/corso_p1.htm

[humanalien]

I only have one thing to say. Every time something big
is happening, you will find david wilcock, right there
in the middle of it all. I find that hard to believe.

Maybe David should become a super hero.

We could call him Ican'tstanditwhensomeoneelseishoggingallthe_
attentionsoihavetoputmyselfinthethickofthingsman.

Clearly david isn't getting any sleep as one can tell by his dark
rings around his eyes and how hollow they look. I guess he is
to afraid to sleep for fear that someone will out do him in the
disinfo business.

[jp11]

ok so I guess some of you missed my post back on page 9 (I think)

jaybee, I'm only up to pg 4 so someone else may have already answered your question

jaybee wrote:

David Wilcock looked extremely tired with dark rings around his eyes. I feel worried for him and hope he can find time to have some proper relaxation.

jp11
My response to jaybee: David has what he called a birthmark or something he's had all his life, the area of skin under his eyes is darker than the rest of his facial skin. When he makes a public appearance, he uses some sort of makeup to cover it up. I guess he didn't feel it was necessary last night.

[humanalien]

Posted by jp11 (here)

My response to jaybee: David has what he called a birthmark or something he's had all his life, the area of skin under his eyes is darker than the rest of his facial skin. When he makes a public appearance, he uses some sort of makeup to cover it up. I guess he didn't feel it was necessary last night.

Guess that answers the eyes question.

[jp11]

Now I would say this is interesting, from PC:

January 26, 2012

Project Camelot -- Navy Seals are said to be filing Complaints against Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot regarding my video with Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader

Naval Criminal Investigative Service / Re: William Newel Brockbrader, aka Bill Wood, Stolen Valor / 27130 Telegraph Road / Quantico, VA 22134 / ncis[DOT]navy.mil/ContactUs/Pa­-ges/default[DOT].aspx

Quoting from an unknown source: .."There have been several complaints filled in this 'Stolen Valor' case. Also a complaint against Project Camelot-Kerry Cassidy...."

Someone sent me the above...

Looks like someone is filing some kind of charges... Look, if you want to file charges and get us in a courtroom to discuss CLEARANCES that go way above top secret and what the secret government is up to... We will be happy to oblige and break open this can of worms to reveal the real truth of what your tax dollars are paying for and where the majority of military funding is really going.

Chances are, they don't dare push this case any further than online threats.

As a friend said..."you KNOW you're over the target when you take flak"!!!

As I was closing up for the night I thought I'd check Project Camelot and saw the above.

or not

[apokalypse]

Posted by jp11 (here)
Now I would say this is interesting, from PC:

January 26, 2012

Project Camelot -- Navy Seals are said to be filing Complaints against Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot regarding my video with Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader

Naval Criminal Investigative Service / Re: William Newel Brockbrader, aka Bill Wood, Stolen Valor / 27130 Telegraph Road / Quantico, VA 22134 / ncis[DOT]navy.mil/ContactUs/Pa­-ges/default[DOT].aspx

Quoting from an unknown source: .."There have been several complaints filled in this 'Stolen Valor' case. Also a complaint against Project Camelot-Kerry Cassidy...."

Someone sent me the above...

Looks like someone is filing some kind of charges... Look, if you want to file charges and get us in a courtroom to discuss CLEARANCES that go way above top secret and what the secret government is up to... We will be happy to oblige and break open this can of worms to reveal the real truth of what your tax dollars are paying for and where the majority of military funding is really going.

Chances are, they don't dare push this case any further than online threats.

As a friend said..."you KNOW you're over the target when you take flak"!!!

As I was closing up for the night I thought I'd check Project Camelot and saw the above.

or not

i wish this go further to the court, Bill Wood information reliable or not is not important but i'm more interest in blow the roof off with Bill Wood as Navy Seal who work in Government secret operations and facilities like Area 51.

[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by TargeT (here)
well apparently he wasn't in THAT military, but some special one that functions differently than the MILLIONS of us know of.

Hello TargetT,

Out of 7 billion people on this planet how many of them you think really know how the world functions?

Honest question: Is it conceivable that in the military stuff happens that millions of military people don't know of or would have a hard time believing it happens in their back yard? Is it possible that you do not know everything that is going on, or how stuff actually works? Because millions of people don't see a thing that does not make it a lie...

I hope you don't think I am trying to put you down, I am just trying to show that it may be possible that what Bill Wood says is true, even if his behavior does not follow the "well known" pattern. So he indeed may have been part of a "special one that functions differently".

Are we all at Avalon part of a group of people that sort of function differently ?

PS: I am compelled to mention that I am bitching from a bench right now. I did not serve in the military at all

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by humanalien (here)

Maybe David should become a super hero.

What makes you think he's not?