Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[christian]

Posted by Whitehaze (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)
Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi.

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

Well did you? Did anybody? I just did so, I'm curious what he comes up with.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Whitehaze (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi:

OK... The Bills Wood story... Bill Brock deleted his facebook page last night.
Listed below in first comment...

After listening for the FOURTH time to this stammering idiot, Bill Wood (pseudonym) this is what I have… Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

Why would he do that? He wants the information provided, but honestly do you think even an official Navy or FBI exposing Mr. Woods as a complete liar would matter here? No, because everyone in the government is coving up the black ops and Mr. Woods is being set up! Forget his story does not add up. Forget he can't answer simple questions quickly and looks to the right creating **** rather than remembering reality. No, it's all a conspiracy against Mr. Woods.

I am done here. TRUTH does not matter here because the lie is so much sweeter.

[Kano]

Posted by Whitehaze (here)

Posted by Kano (here)

Posted by Whitehaze (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that.

Why would I ask him for anything, that he either does not have documentation of or cannot safely publish anyways? This is not the way I go here. I'm fine with that, I cannot force things on that front. - Whereas in Khaleesi's case, this can easily be doublechecked, if it's truly public.

Is it not a double standard to demand proof and evidence from one person and to believe and defend unfounded allegations from another?

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Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley

I'm sorry but this facebook page shows me nothing.

Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

I will continue to stay open-minded about this whole situation. However, I have still yet to see substantiated evidence that would make me believe that BW is a fraud. Just because his records cannot be found using traditional means only suggest to me that his story has even more credence until further notice. We shall see soon enough.

[WhiteFeather]

Perhaps very well the producer of the film Contact knew of such a device!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TSaO9VGjLXc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6YQXbPkCkbs

[CdnSirian]

I would never consider Facebook a source for anything...but info on it could point toward a valid source. I do not know how to search a person's background, or view authentic military records. But, given the possibility that BW is sharing true information, and those who want him disgraced have the perfect ability to create any record they need us to see, we cannot know. We cannot prove anything either way.

Has no one read Duncan O'Finioan's book or Wade Frazier's story of Dennis? Records can say what certain parties want them to say. You think a record can't be changed in 5 minutes if an interested party has access? Let's not be naive.

I appreciate the trouble those above went to find information - as I said, I do not know how to do that. And to authenticate every person who comes up in the chain. I don't question Don Shipley. He has access to the same info we do, right? So a lot of confusion has come up. Definitely looks bad for BW. Definitely looks like PC and PA have been used and bruised.

I would like to know what Kerry searched herself on BW. I can't believe she would just look at papers he handed her and then think "cool". Then again, if she did a search she would have found Don Shipley and the info that Khaleesi presented, wouldn't she? (Someone has posted that that info was posted after the interview, thanks). But, perhaps did she find something different that got changed quickly, or did she not search?

DW's input doesn't sway me either way. He would access the same "public" records, right? Or did not look. The whole situation now presents PC and PA as irresponsible grand-standers.

And, this thread has some vicious moments, so -- who benefits?

[Gardener]

Chiquotet I believe the source for this information is the interview itself, after listening 4 times.

He provides no source whatsoever.

[christian]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I would never consider Facebook a source for anything...but info on it could point toward a valid source. I do not know how to search a person's background, or view authentic military records. But, given the possibility that BW is sharing true information, and those who want him disgraced have the perfect ability to create any record they need us to see, we cannot know. We cannot prove anything either way.

Has no one read Duncan O'Finioan's book or Wade Frazier's story of Dennis? Records can say what certain parties want them to say. You think a record can't be changed in 5 minutes if an interested party has access? Let's not be naive.

I agree completly.

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I don't question Don Shipley. He has access to the same info we do, right? So a lot of confusion has come up. Definitely looks bad for BW. Definitely looks like PC and PA have been used and bruised.

I would like to know what Kerry searched herself on BW. I can't believe she would just look at papers he handed her and went "cool". Then again, if she did a search she would have found Don Shipley and the info that Khaleesi presented, wouldn't she? But, perhaps did she find something different that got changed quickly, or did she not search?

I don't know which sources Don feeds of, do you? And I don't see how Kerry should have found some guy's facebook comment about Bill Wood's history, besides that, the comment was only made after the interview was released.

Posted by Gardener (here)
Chiquotet I believe the source for this information is the interview itself, after listening 4 times.

He provides no source whatsoever.

So after three more runs I'd realize that Bill Wood had sex with a 12 year old?

[Nerge]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
And, this thread has some vicious moments, so -- who benefits?

That's a very good question and remains to be seen but I have my suspicions.

Is it to discredit PA/PC? It's certainly possible, who has the most to gain by this? As to who is involved (or not) remains to be seen but I still feel it's too early to judge on that one.

[taizen]

Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture? Here's a question for all of those 'military' proofers out there. There was a military man in the green beret society dubbed : Two Ton Tommy. His term of service was in the Vietnam war era. I dare you to find out his story. You won't find it on the internet, books, or from many military personnel. He simply did not exist (officially), yet his title came from the fact that he saved his military lower ranking officers from death AND saved hundreds of civilian lives in the process. His actions were not publicized due to the fact he disobeyed orders from his higher ups. He was honorably discharged and was regularly conversing with the DOD with strategic matters up until 2 or 3 years ago. Also, his personal life was in shambles-you name it, he did it. Really folks? The military will put what they want other's to see on paper, but the truth is out there. Also, my point is, how did Two Ton Tommy affect the outcome of the war? Does it really matter?
What matters here is what the big picture of why everyone came together to listen to this program in the first place. Hopefully, fear was replaced by positive hope. Hopefully, after digesting the info, it was a reiteration/confirmation of what people already know. How many times do we get caught up in the details in life and forget the big picture? Is your life goal about debunking people? Is this fun for you? Is it constructive and positive? How can we turn the negative around and become positive? Dream the 'impossible' dream, become a kid again. As a kid, did you debunk your teacher? did you debunk your friends? If your friend was a liar, you called them out and stopped listening to them. You went on with your kid life. Same thing here. What if the hours that were spent on research trying to find things to kill the messenger, we could find positive ways to improve our community? I personally, watch these videos, glean what information resonates with me. Later on, if I have a different perspective, I will maybe come back to the video and glean some more. I don't go around attacking because I don't agree. It's not for me to judge him. I know I don't have that title for my life. For once, I would like to see a healthy discussion on the positive messages put forth from this video (reminded of the atticus situation). For instance:
-Bill Ryan relating his story of trying to get the internet in Equador - he felt it was so important to be there he had someone climb a tree to get reception! Would you have done that?
-Kerry hanging in there when all the questions were coming in fast and furious - she was doing her best to get all the 'right' questions out there
-David being so busy in his life took time out to support this un-known
What that says to me was here are leaders who believe in what they say and back it up with their actions; the whole video was about coming together as a community and help each other. This is what these people did- They knew they were going to be attacked and ridiculed, what they were trying to get across what- let's put those differences aside, sure be wary, but let's come together and give each other hope instead of more fear porn!!!
Do you think David feels fear, does Kerry feel fear, what about Bill, does he feel fear? WHO KNOWS!!! Are they receiving the positive energy they need from us to keep going to put forth more positive messages?!!!! Ug.
Negative people are everywhere. I come here for news, entertainment, and positivity. What about you?

[Free Bird]

Forget he can't answer simple questions quickly and looks to the right creating **** rather than remembering reality.

That was the first thing which struck me when I watched it and the other give away was the coughing - some people when they lie can't help themselves and cough uncontrollably ... it's a mechanism the subconscious uses to try and hide/mask the lie.

Peace and Love
-x-

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Whitehaze (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)
Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi.

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

Well did you? Did anybody? I just did so, I'm curious what he comes up with.

Please see post 255...I have been in contact with both Don, and Mary and Chuck of POWnetwork.

Out of curiosity, I sent an email to Don Shipley, the ex Navy SEAL who wrote the letter in post 187, maintaining that Bill "Wood" was never a SEAL.

I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth...and I have just received this reply from him. Make of it what you will.


> Follow this one VERY CLOSE, Kathie... It's going to get ugly for Bill...Don

I've just got home from work, and after reading those comments from Facebook, and realising how angry this has made some people out there, I hope BW is safe... Seriously. I wouldn't want disgruntled SEALS after me...

[cowens66]

[QUOTE=taizen;412658]Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture? ...QUOTE]

Thank you so much taizen. You did a stellar job of explaining just what I was trying to express. Wow!

I wonder if Bill has been able to contact the cable repair guy to let him know what it meant for him to have that access at that time?

What do you feel is a good way to remind ourselves of the fact that we each create our own reality and that of the collective on a day by day, minute by minute basis?

Someone in this thread, seems like days ago but just yesterday posted a Gregg Braden video that was a helpful reminder to me and lately I have felt that I needed reminding.

Thank you again!!

Be Well, Cowens

[christian]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)
Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi.

He provides no source whatsoever.

Please see post 255...I have been in contact with both Don, and Mary and Chuck of POWnetwork.

That previous mail exchange you refer to with Don was about him not being able to confirm that Bill Wood was in a SEAL team, which would be just logical, if Bill's testimony is true, that he was in SEAL team 9, which is apparently secret.

The mail exchange was not about the claim Don made on facebook, that Bill had sex with a twelve year old.

BTW:

At about 12 minutes in the conference Bill Wood claims, that a prominent ex SEAL is virtually in charge of a prostitution and drug dealing ring in Las Vegas. He says he does not want to disclose this man's identity, as long as he is left alone, so this is Bill's ace in the hole. - Makes one wonder who this prominent ex SEAL could be, if Bill is honest about this.

Kerry allegedly got confirming documentation from Bill Wood, so she must have seen this prominent SEAL on the "juicy pictures". This would explain lots of the heat Bill, PC and PA are getting.

[Khaleesi]

Posted by taizen (here)
Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture?

How is this guy saying after he disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon, they entrusted him with MORE million dollar weapons a MINOR discrepancy? I would call that a MAJOR discrepancy and brings his whole story under suspicion. It takes a HUGE leap of faith to trust him after this statement.

[000]

Posted by taizen (here)
[...] Hopefully, after digesting the info, it was a reiteration/confirmation of what people already know. How many times do we get caught up in the details in life and forget the big picture? Is your life goal about debunking people? Is this fun for you? Is it constructive and positive? How can we turn the negative around and become positive? Dream the 'impossible' dream, become a kid again. [...]

Very well said taizen I notice the debunking crew come out most often when something challenges their perception of 'reality' so heavily that to them 'it cannot be true', not necessarily that there are facts that they can back up their claims with. Often there are but they are highly biased and suited to their immediate need to debunk, as indicated by the tension displayed in their written syntax.

Relying on things like body language is also not going to say much because it is not foolproof and is only a *potential* indicator of what the individual is feeling and doing at best.

I have watched this thread unfold, and other like it, for instance the David Wilcock / Benjamin Fulford threads of a couple months ago and more severely, the Charles threads from last year which ended up causing a divide which saw members leave this forum and create their own. All of that because of heavy biases which they preferred to hold on to rather than let go of. That is highly unlikely to happen again, I feel, as the energy from the Charles situation was at a peak back then that this does not begin to reach, which is a good thing.

In any case, the debunkers shall debunk, they well get fed up and they will eventually leave when something does not go their way. That seems to be the pattern that emerges each time.

It doesn't matter though because this shift is indeed happening, and it doesn't matter if that news comes from David Wilcock, from Bill Wood, or from your local gas station clerk. They would all be correct. There is not *anything* anyone could do now to put a halt to this shift. You can see it growing through the Occupy movement and the movements in the Middle East from which they sprang. It is very much something that is people powered although there is something which defies description in mere words which has nudged this whole set of energies to *pop* and breach the surface as they have done. Essentially, now, the more people who awaken themselves through critical thinking + intuition, the more coherent and strengthened this shift becomes. This is irreversible. Once there is so much momentum behind something it shall just keep going until it reaches a state in which it can comfortably come to rest. That comfortable state of rest to be reached in this case it total global freedom via people taking responsibility for themselves and having compassion for each other. No one should even take my word for it. Just watch and live your lives It is so much bigger than words on a forum and it is unstoppable.

So go ahead debunkers, do all the damage you wish, it shall not cause more than the tinniest of ripples in the larger scheme of things. Signal is king in a sea of noise.

[Tony]

Unfortunately finding the truth entails taking everything apart.
From what I hear the SEALS are pretty angry about 'Bill Woods'.

[sleepy]

xxxx xxxxx

[ljwheat]

I’m reminded of not so long ago, our minute men of the day were being taken over. (moles) or OWS cops dressing up as joe blow OWS’ers ( Moles.) settler’s dressing up as Indians, under cover (moles) co-opting covertly as possible to do what?

If your catching flack on a bombing run, your close to the target. Pitch forks and torch carriers have always followed some one or something. When you look around for the source that started this house burning some how no one knows just who lit the first torch?

Lets back engineer this thread and find who instigated this trash fest, uncover the co-opting (mole) that wants. What? To whom, and tare the (mole) a new A++ hole. How’s the cowboy dressed as a Indian? And how did he/she get our attention so off track?

And where are the moderator’s ? lets put the torches out and start tapping each other on the shoulder, who’s leading this crap and back ground that individual ?

Namaste john XXX

[Ilie Pandia]

I am still neutral on the Bill Wood's credentials, but all the information I've seen here against him, could have been easily fabricated.

Let's assume for a moment that he is what he says he is... do you really expect to find on Google confirmation of his credentials?! If he is who he says he is, what would a "character assassination" operation would look like? Hm?

As for stealing "the SEAL's valor"... what valor? As a non-US human what some may call valor I would call something else... Perhaps comming out as whistle blower has more valor that keeping to the "SEAL's code" and killing other people at some politician's orders?

I understanding digging up the "dirt", checking up the facts, building a case and looking for evidence. What I don't understand is the emotional response to all of this and the need to defend a point of view or the other.

Yes he may be fraud, but yes he may also be "for real" as it were. So far I've seen no "proof" (only copy pasted text) for both point of views.

If we assume that indeed there are black ops, that there is shadow government, then missions that don't live a paper trail that you can simply Google up is not really a stretch. Of course the same argument can be used by me to claim I am a secret agent so you won't find anything on me... I get that too.

So it's a bit of catch 22 here, and I believe that Google is not really the tool to sort out this matter.

[Lazlo]

Posted by taizen (here)
Do you think David feels fear, does Kerry feel fear, what about Bill, does he feel fear? WHO KNOWS!!!

I think that it is safe to say that David feels fear after the torture threat incident.

I did find out one little tidbit where BW/Brockbrader was telling the truth. The sex offender registry list his offense as 99.99m. That is an offense for military members who were convicted in military, but not civilian courts.

SO...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.