Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[araucaria]

Posted by BestLion (here)


Its pretty clear the guy is a fake. That has been 99% confirmed about 2 pages back..

We've heard this sort of thing before from the self-styled BestLion. Nothing of the sort has been confirmed.

For one thing, some people need to learn how to read. A sixteen-year-old is someone who has "reached the age of 12 years" - so is an 80-year-old. It doesn't mean they are 12 years old, it just means they are not even younger than that.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Worst case scenario: PC & PA could vanish very soon IF, repeat IF this is COINTELPRO. Use Sitesucker to preserve the whole site offline JUST IN CASE: http://www.sitesucker.us/mac/mac.html

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it is as easy as a google search I am sure the members here are astute enough to make their own informed decisions.

Well we have a convicted felon who is on the website of sex offenders. That alone does not help PC in the general public..even having a guy like that doesn't help your cause!
Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out. And a search on other forums thats the main topic that is being addressed more so then his navy seal stuff.
Hey me personally if the girl was 16 and consensual I aint got a problem with it..that's his business. But its how others who come to PC and view on You Tube ect..BTW check out the You Tube comments about this guy if they already didn't disable the comments.

Manners and conduct is key here, I select my words carefully to trigger a response, you should know that, and I have stated so before too.

I'm pegged as a paid official cause I am extremely skeptical of a mans story, a man who many in the seal community think was never a seal? A man who is a registered sex offender? A man up until a week ago no one has ever heard about?

NO. I am concerned because you seem to be running with hearsay as evidence and not responding or listening to reason. That does make me suspect that you MIGHT (keyword) have an interest in dividing this forum. unless you have some sort of logical explanation for acting this way.

[Khaleesi]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Khaleesi (here)

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Who has the +$100 trillion agenda and the force to enforce such desires and directions?

careful how you toss that **** around.

One can (mentally) masturbate themselves wildly (I do not claim innocence) within the scope of narrow vision and ideas on a personal fear and forced reality (upon others)..but they must also understand that a force of direction is also a set of blinders that is at least as big, or bigger than the thrust of intent.

I'm not falling on one side of this or another, I'm just addressing the idea of physiological and emotional thrust as a coloration that blinds..either as a purposeful act or one done in relative innocence.

Carmody, I believe seeingterra accused BestLion of being a paid agent first if you read the WHOLE conversation. I only responded in BestLion's defense as that could be construed as libel.

[Carmody]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Referee (here)
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

Half the time we don't even know the inner working of our given partner's mind.

Now..when compartmentalized systems (with a deep history of such and designed that way from the ground up) desire to and do use control of information to keep secrets...well..that can lead to a certain incapacity to prove anything -from the given public or known side of things. With respect, as mentioned, to the idea of a system designed from the ground up to be compartmentalized and to control information.

Thus, no resolution, just confusion.

Enter mental confusion, stage left..and then the base systems of being an incarnated spirit in an avatar (human) ...and the ABS and traction control take over on this slippery ground..and enforce a decision upon the body, to keep it safe (it perceives danger, it is agitated).

Enter emotional conditioning and base design considerations... and we get into arguments about who or what is correct, right --- in black and white terms. (fight or flight is black and white)

As this is what the body inserts into the formation of logic, in order to keep the body safe from it's perceived dangers.

It is also AT LEAST as important to this discussion to understand the base mechanism of the 'discussion', otherwise true logic without interference will never enter the picture.

[BestLion]

OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team

?
I never ever said I know how seals work.I said I know how discharges, orders, court martials, and enlistments work. That is what I did! I never said I knew how the insides of special ops work.
I am not much on the government conspiracy stuff i dont spend much time on that stuff, I am more interested in other topics like ancient civilizations and such.But the gov does have laws, and the military does have a code of conduct , and yes rape is punishable by a cort martial..if be statutory rape.

Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves????

What they do, and the regular soldier does..have likely 2 different codes of conduct.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD.

And where, which post did I make this claim? I said i know how basic orders, and basic forms are done..where in the hell do you get from that to these allegations?

The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.

I tend not to think about how the government and top secret stuff works. Doesnt add anything to my life.
I only posted how regular procedures are done on a Battalion level in the military. I have never worked higher up then battalion level.
Cheers hope that answers your questions.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Robbie for the vids on lasers I know it is geting lost in the general hubbub of this thread, though still very valid as BW talked about them
and i think ,there is no doubt that black ops weaponry is way more advanced, if they are showing these impressive weapons in the open....

PMS.405 the US Naveys electronic warfare branch.....I have not heard of that , though obviously official....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aoAa_B2kRuo

Its not a fantasy theory anymore .....definately possible....

[christian]

Posted by TargeT (here)
it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.

From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.

Posted by BestLion (here)
Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out?

Some people just have a hard time putting things in perspective...
But the truth is more important than popularity.
Alex Jones lost the majority of his radio affiliates right after 9-11 when he said it was an inside job. Look where he is now.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by BestLion (here)

OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team

?
I never ever said I know how seals work.I said I know how discharges, orders, court martials, and enlistments work. That is what I did! I never said I knew how the insides of special ops work.
I am not much on the government conspiracy stuff i dont spend much time on that stuff, I am more interested in other topics like ancient civilizations and such.But the gov does have laws, and the military does have a code of conduct , and yes rape is punishable by a cort martial..if be statutory rape.

Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves????

What they do, and the regular soldier does..have likely 2 different codes of conduct.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD.

And where, which post did I make this claim? I said i know how basic orders, and basic forms are done..where in the hell do you get from that to these allegations?

The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.

I tend not to think about how the government and top secret stuff works. Doesnt add anything to my life.
I only posted how regular procedures are done on a Battalion level in the military. I have never worked higher up then battalion level.
Cheers hope that answers your questions.

OK. Well if you don't think about "how the government and top secret stuff works" then you don't have much valuable input on this subject because that is exactly what BW's testimony deals with. Wow. how do you not see the absurdity of making your assertions and then saying you "tend not to think about" how the very things that you were commenting on work?


UPDATE:
and i take back what i said about you not responding because you have finally responded to me.

Update 2:
just to be clear i am not vouching for BW because I don't know him. I am simply trying stop all this speculation until we have all the facts. Maybe something cool will happen at the end of 2012 and maybe BW was part of a secret navy seal team. Maybe not. But I am just trying to prevent a witch hunt until we all have more information.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by BestLion (here)

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD.

And where, which post did I make this claim? I said i know how basic orders, and basic forms are done..where in the hell do you get from that to these allegations?

You stated that Bill Wood's military history could -not- be as he stated, because such would -not- happen in your administrative unit.

So far as I can tell from all you've said, you had no specific knowledge of how Bill Wood's military status was handled. But you are implying such knowledge, based on what you did experience.

Perhaps Bill Wood's status was not handled in accordance with the basic procedures you knew?

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Khaleesi]

Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

[13th Warrior]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.

From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.

Posted by BestLion (here)
Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out?

Some people just have a hard time putting things in perspective...
But the truth is more important than popularity.
Alex Jones lost the majority of his radio affiliates right after 9-11 when he said it was an inside job. Look where he is now.

Very Interesting!

""99.99" as a crime code on a State sex offender registry usually just means that the crime is not on that State's penal code - which would be the case if he was convicted at court martial under the UCMJ rather than under your State penal code.

What the actual crime was would require you to discover the code in the UCMJ he was convicted of."

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

Well ok. if we are supposing that his testimony is true then they would probably keep him after he destroyed a million dollar weapon because (if we are supposing that we believe his testimony) he is F***ING PSYCHIC. How much would psychic abilities be worth to the military? hmmm. Come on people. Let's use some common sense.

[Cidersomerset]

I am not asking for proof now, i would like the hysteria to die down and let his information come forth.......

BW will be fully aware as will the others the hype caused and no doubt will update us sooner rather than later..

As I have said in the past I rarely get involved in these , 'hyper' threads but felt I had to for reasons I have

stated in several previous posts....At times I thought I was watching 'FOX NEWS'

[Khaleesi]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by Khaleesi (here)
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

Well ok. if we are supposing that his testimony is true then they would probably keep him after he destroyed a million dollar weapon because (if we are supposing that we believe his testimony) he is F***ING PSYCHIC. How much would psychic abilities be worth to the military? hmmm. Come on people. Let's use some common sense.

He said he was doing more Tomahawk missions, NOT psychic ****.

[Carmody]

Understand that an x-class flare has occurred today...which can cause irritation/agitation for the given group of the public or people that have an astrological connection to the quadrants or directions disturbed by the given flare.

Overall, an underlying agitation is the norm for the day.

the connections are there, and real, an I will explain further in the near future, in the 'astrology fundamentals' thread how even a nothing can effect everything. (with regard to proven physics-and when you understand that, even 'proof' becomes meaningless)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello everybody, please calm down and keep to a respectful tone. No need for yelling, all caps or excessive punctuation

Now to attempt and answer to Khaleesi's question.

He did not return to work as "punishment". He returned to work with the understanding that now they have something on him and they will bring him down if he disobeys an order again.

If, as he says, those targets were not really "legal targets", his handlers would not have wanted a public trial about this where they would have to justify what were they doing in there in the first place. He may have been very useful, due to his alleged psi training, so he was not easily replaceable.

Also, as I understood it, he could not have taken down any presidential helicopter, because that would have to be in "line of sight" and would have required for said helicopter to be in the "targeting area", which of course will never happen. So, all he could really do is kill himself and his unit, or crash the missile some place around the target, but still in line of sight proximity.

You may also not be aware of what other constraints were put on him to make sure he will follow orders this time.

Again, I don't want to take the "pro BW" role, but posting rumors and hear say, and Google copy paste against him, is not helpful either.

And I can see how for military men, active or not, a testimony such as the one of Bill Wood can be very challenging.

The "Shadow Government" for a lack of a better word, is not inefficent or stupid at all. They've managed to keep a lot of secrets from us, and indoctrinate us into "following policy".

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)
No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!!

When Sherlock Holmes (had he been real) was unraveling murder mysteries, he could carefully observe bits of mud and non-barking dogs and keenly deduce what possibility remained, after all the impossibilities had been discarded.

But we are not here dealing in immediate physical evidence that is undeniably real. We are dealing in snippets of text of unknown origins, strongly colored by our emotional reactions.

Much can be considered, but little can be proven beyond doubt ... even the most compelling deductions can be led astray for want of a key detail, or insertion of a key distraction or misrepresentation.

An ALL CAPS compulsion to get the TRUTH is more likely to lead to discord that keeps us from understanding than it is to lead to better understanding.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by Khaleesi (here)
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

Well ok. if we are supposing that his testimony is true then they would probably keep him after he destroyed a million dollar weapon because (if we are supposing that we believe his testimony) he is F***ING PSYCHIC. How much would psychic abilities be worth to the military? hmmm. Come on people. Let's use some common sense.

He said he was doing more Tomahawk missions, NOT psychic ****.

This is the same argument I hear from people who are skeptical about 9/11 being an inside job. "well why would the government blow up the buildings? that would make them much more likely to get caught!" Just because we can't comprehend the reasoning behind a certain action taken by a certain government agency or group who has information that we are not privy to, does not mean that there in no reason for them to take that action.

P.S. I took the capitalizations off. I agree I was getting a little riled up. My bad Ilie and Paul. My apologies to khaleesi as well.