Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[BestLion]

BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks

thanks ..Done for now....
let us return in a few weeks..
we will see how this plays out..

[etm567]

Posted by cowens66 (here)
BestLion,

As I stated in our recent PM's I probably will not go back and try to find out what you said about my post.

Let me state here that I never meant for you or anyone else to assume that I was serious about your military service. I used your photo in that example because it was a visual and I think that helps sometimes when making a point and because it was obvious, I thought, that you had served.

I obviously didn't do a good job letting others know that I was being somewhat facetious.

I appreciate you contacting me on this and the very respectful and thoughtful way that you did.

Now I am going to stick with my decision to keep this relationship as my reality and not go searching for what might have been said.

Just as I feel BW's military or non-military service doesn't really matter in the big picture I feel that my knowing what was said by anyone about me doesn't matter to the big picture and can only serve to pull me away once again from creating the reality I would like to see for mankind. Be Well my friend

Just so you know, I read your post and it was quite clear to me what you were saying. But (as I am going backwards up this thread at the moment) BestLion is going to keep misrepresenting what you said. I wonder why he does that? I'm tempted to wonder out loud, do you think his reading comprehension is very good? But that is kind of sarcastic, and I think sarcasm is pretty nasty. So I'll refrain. But maybe his reading comprehension is a little bit selective, so that he understands what suits his line of reasoning. I don't know, obviously.

But what you said and what you meant was quite clear. And BestLion keeps saying things that are patently false about what you said.

ETM

[BestLion]

estLion is going to keep misrepresenting what you said. I wonder why he does that? I'm tempted to wonder out loud, do you think his reading comprehension is very good? But that is kind of sarcastic, and I think sarcasm is pretty nasty. So I'll refrain. But maybe his reading comprehension is a little bit selective, so that he understands what suits his line of reasoning. I don't know, obviously.

Done posting...let us see how this plays out, i play poker...Id go all in saying Bill Wood is a Wack JOB> Let us wait a few weeks when Don get those records Of a a sex offender whom many wish to support cause Kerry and David W...says is ok.....

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by BestLion (here)

estLion is going to keep misrepresenting what you said. I wonder why he does that? I'm tempted to wonder out loud, do you think his reading comprehension is very good? But that is kind of sarcastic, and I think sarcasm is pretty nasty. So I'll refrain. But maybe his reading comprehension is a little bit selective, so that he understands what suits his line of reasoning. I don't know, obviously.

Done posting...let us see how this plays out,

finally we've all agreed to just see how it plays out! Now I'm excited about the conversations we will have when we actually have some better information.

[etm567]

Posted by BestLion (here)

BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks

thanks ..Done for now....
let us return in a few weeks..
we will see how this plays out..

I haven't read this entire thread. Can't bear to, it's far too hysterical. But I have a need to say something to you, which I can't seem to convince myself to abandon.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. So is everyone else. But I would like to suggest a few thoughts for your consideration. Of course, you don't have to take them to heart. It is up to you. But this is what I have found to be true, sometimes to my embarrassment and chagrin, and sometimes to my horror:

It isn't wise to believe everything you read on the internet.

It isn't wise to believe everything the government says.

It isn't wise to believe everything the military says.

It isn't wise to believe everything that prosecutors say.

It isn't wise to believe everything your neighbors say.

It isn't even wise to believe everything the Bible says, or that history books say, or that doctors say or that drug companies say.

And of course it's downright stupid to believe everything that any politician says.

It isn't wise to leap to conclusions about another human's guilt or innocence based on something you see on the internet, no matter who seems to have put it there.

Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? Do you have any idea how many people on death row have been proven to be innocent? That were found guilty by a jury of their "peers"? Why could such a thing happen?

Bill Wood may be guilty of this crime, or he may not be. Thankfully, I am not required to pass judgment on him. Thank God I am not on a jury deciding such a thing.

You say you are a seeker of the truth. So am I. So are most people here, I would guess. Unfortunately for us, finding the truth is a long-term project, and it rarely turns out to be what it looked like in the first place, or the second place, or even the third place.

Finally, I notice that you seem to feel the need to make people agree with you. Forget about it. Some people will agree with you and some won't.

Now, this part may be dangerously personal. I admit I'm a little bit aggravated having read this thread and wondered about the Avalon guidelines that say people are supposed to be polite and respectful, and why they never seem to require that from anyone. (Dear mods, that's just my opinion, of course.)

And from what I've read on this thread, you could pay more attention to what other people have said to you. You make yourself look bad when you misrepresent what someone else has said to or about you, as you have done repeatedly on this thread. I do not know if that is deliberate obfuscation on your part, or just careless exaggeration, or poor reading comprehension, perhaps caused by not actually reading what was said to you. But as it's been said more than once, I am left wondering why you cannot see the difference between what was said about you or to you and what you keep saying was said about you, but which was not said. To me, what you are saying is either not accurate or not true. So what does that make you guilty of? I do not know. I have no way of knowing. I cannot see into your soul, and do not know for sure what your motives are. I can believe what you say, or not. Or I can think you are perhaps behaving a little bit unconsciously. But as to what I think of you and what you say, it is just my opinion, and that is certainly true. It is just my opinion. And your opinion is just that, your opinion. You are welcome to it. But please, allow me to have mine.

I may have gone overboard here. If I did, I apologize. I have tried to be respectful.

Regards,

ETM

[galilava]

I do not see the big issue here - whether this guy is what he claims or he is not - what part of his message would that change - people believe in the Bible without even knowing who wrote it, right?
Now tell me - what part of his message do you have problem with -
- the bases on Mars - nothing new
- area 51 - are we arguing about what we don't know ?
- or may be the fact that the USA is bombing civilians? - come on is it really the first time you hear about it?
- or may be the fact that America is provoking wars and terrorism - the whole world knows about that except some American people
- or the 9/11 - is anyone still doubting the truth?
Really - what is the point of this thread?

[Lazlo]

One angle that I would like to discuss here is "what makes an expert?"

Nearly everyone is an expert in something. In my profession, I can be considered an expert. As such, I can spot a BSer from a mile away: "Yessir...you need to calibrate the flogiston capacitor with luminiferous ether flooginometer." When you spot it, you know it.

Don Shipley can be considered an expert on Navy SEALs...at least the type of SEAL that everyone can agree actually exists. He says that it is obvious that BW never went through regular SEAL training. So here we have an expert rendering an opinion.

Kerry Cassidy has been interviewing whistleblowers for years. She could be considered an expert in ascertaining the credibility of whistleblowers. She says that BW is legit, she has seen documentation, and his story corroborates other things that she has been told off the record. Another expert rendering an opinion.

We should be seeing "official" government documentation on BW/B in a couple of weeks. What expert will opine on this?

BW/B said that he can show the documentation that he was being paid while he was supposedly in Leavenworth. If it surfaces, again who wil be the expert?

See where I am going with this? It will still be a case of he said she said.

What I would like opinions on is; What would constitute definitive proof, both Pro and Con, regarding this story?

On the pro side, the documents that BW said he has would go a long way. An independent whistleblower making similar claims about the Tomahawk missions. A class photo from one of his military schools before he went ATS.

On the con side, court martial records, someone who served time with him, a photo or deployment papers- or statement by someone who was serving alongside BW in a mundane capacity when he was supposedly doing the Tomahawk missions.

No flaming please, this is really in the interest of having an unbiased conversation. Folks on both sides and in the middle: What would it take for you?

[modwiz]

I feel that the last half hour of the thread is the only relevant piece, for me. I resonate and 'see' the part about the time lines and a chess game already lost by the elite. When I see us bickering, rather than discussing, it makes me wonder if my 'vision' sucks. Discussions of character are the great distraction. We have our own paths to walk elegantly and finding others to walk with to a common, and hopefully better, future takes focus. What other people do that does not directly impact us in our shaping of the future and getting to it, is none of our business. Emotional triggers are booby traps on the path to a better world. They need defusing, for sure. IMO, that is private work.

So, I will now go and focus on a timeline where good and thoughtful people, who care about the Earth and other people, begin to take over management of this planet and the parasites die from lack of warm bodies to feed off of.

[etm567]

Posted by BestLion (here)
Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

Well, gee, you are a guy on the internet. How on Earth are any of us supposed to know for absolute sure who and/or what you are? Same goes for everybody else. Except maybe for Bill and Kerry, we have a pretty good idea who they are.

Just how am supposed to know that you are who you say you are? Just wondering, not trying to make any point that you aren't who and what you say. But as to how we should know that, how should we know that? Because we should know that you are trustworthy, by watching your posts go by on a computer screen?

Same goes for everything else.

ETM

[jaybee]

Posted by BestLion (here)

BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks

thanks ..Done for now....
let us return in a few weeks..
we will see how this plays out..

It's been a long four days.....:/

It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out.

.

[christian]

Posted by etm567 (here)
the Avalon guidelines that say people are supposed to be polite and respectful

I find this applies not only to members mutually, but also to people being talked about. - Kind of hard at a place where people are aware of TPTW I admit, but it's possible, everyone is a player in this big game that is existence, we all change roles and experience every side of it, so eventually what goes around comes around...

I do not ask anyone to agree with this, just for your consideration.

Posted by galilava (here)
I do not see the big issue here - Really - what is the point of this thread?

The big kahuna is the December 21st timeline issue, the way I see it. Or the events, that would make disclosure appear very insignificant, David and Bill Wood allluded to this vaguely.

Posted by Lazlo (here)
What would constitute definitive proof, both Pro and Con, regarding this story?

In the best possible outcome: Humanity becoming aware of its potential and significant events to that tune unfolding over the course of this year. I do my best to make it happen.

As for documentation: It's simply a fishy area as his claims are indeed outrageous. As long as it doesn't turn out, that he is a complete lunatic, disinfo agent or something like that or that those events he mentioned happen, it will remain uncertain.

Posted by modwiz (here)
I resonate and 'see' the part about the time lines and a chess game already lost by the elite. When I see us bickering, rather than discussing, it makes me wonder if my 'vision' sucks.

[jaybee]

Posted by Jenci (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)
thanks for that...one thing that I especially noticed as I have thought it myself...is why would the 'Oath Keepers' use a person who is on a sex offender register to do work for them. They surely to god aren't that naive. Which makes a mockery of any claims that Brockbrader could be representing them??

Hi Jaybee, of course they are not that naive.

This issue with events in the alternative media lacking in credibility has been going on a lot lately. I'm guessing there will be more. Is this part of a bigger plan to bring down the alternative media or aspects of it, by destroying all credibility?

Hi Jenci...I think they're having a good go at it and you are probably right. Like ringfencing the 'alternative crowd'....trying to keep the vibe low frequency for the long awaited 2012.

This radio interview from a couple of weeks ago talks about the story so far on this
http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/hyp...velations.html
Jeanette

thanks for that...will listen to it over the weekend


.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by etm567 (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)
Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

Well, gee, you are a guy on the internet. How on Earth are any of us supposed to know for absolute sure who and/or what you are? Same goes for everybody else. Except maybe for Bill and Kerry, we have a pretty good idea who they are.

Just how am supposed to know that you are who you say you are? Just wondering, not trying to make any point that you aren't who and what you say. But as to how we should know that, how should we know that? Because we should know that you are trustworthy, by watching your posts go by on a computer screen?

Same goes for everything else.

ETM

Let's let this one go. I agree with you but he already said he's done posting.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Is it possible that a Fire Control Technician could be assigned to a Seal team?
I never heard BW say he went through Seal training, only that he was part of a Seal team.
Many are assuming that to be part of a Seal team one must be a Seal. Maybe that is valid maybe not.
My gut feelings are that the military is flexible enough to send anyone with special skills on a special mission.

[Tommy]

Hi all,

Good to see the discussion is progressing somewhat. I do agree that there should be more focus on the materials instead of the "who is right, who is wrong" game.

I was upset about BestLion, I admit I probably went over the top with him (by my own standards), but looking at how desperate his intentions to spread rumors and in some cases blatant lies I started to recognize a pattern from a gazillion trolling spam posts I have deleted over the past few days. I do not know for sure if it is naivety or something else that drives these kind of individuals, but some have stated directly they work for Don Shipley (work as in getting paid right?).

Don Shipley in my view is somewhat over-rated, I do not see what a low ranked (in comparison with known levels) ex NAVY Seal can contribute to this conversation, at all, except following his training (government paid training). Don has not responded to my official request for documentation, something I told him might have consequences.
Now, let's see if Don can follow through, so far what he has presented is questionable at best.. In fact considering his tactics Don Shipley and his goons are using they should be more suspicious than any WB.

On that note we did get warned that people assigned to harassing Bill Wood would follow closely and make them self known shortly after the interview.
I had just about prepared my new security systems for our sites when the interview got released, built command line style for almost 2 months before the interview got released, not because of this interview in specific, but because of increasing attacks on our servers over the past year or so.. However, there I was sitting enjoying my morning coffee in Norway a few hours after the interview apparently got uploaded the night before (US time). What I discovered was rather horrible, all our domains had DDOS type attacks directed at them, Camelot Forum was down. By the time the DDOS attacks stopped I got access to the right functions on the server again, swearing out loud because of our (previous) web-host's incapability to prevent attacks with fail-safes and crawlers.

As soon as the services was running again I noticed apache specific attacks, exploits etc.. Shortly after (like a minute) I noticed SQL (database) activity even after I soft shut-down the joomla driven site (Camelot Forum), it did not take long to see what was happening, a good old hack.. Well, I tossed the hackers out before they figured out how to get any access to our database and stopped the SQL and Apache services on our server.. Then my brand new shiny toy that I spent the last couple of months building up suddenly got a very large task ahead of it.. Well, I will not state too much about what I did different than most web-hosts, but I can tell you this; No hacker will get in without me knowing he is on the door-step (bold words, I know), no DDOS type attack can ever be delivered on our sites, and lastly, no trace of our users are left for the goons.. Encryption is "key"

Thankfully after the action I described above was done with our sites they stayed up, also becoming faster as an added bonus.

So since then I have been working on improving our services further, and I am soon ready to launch a brand new Camelot portal for your convenience.

Most of this has been done while I have been handling "trolls", so let me just leave this as a testament that trolling rarely serves a purpose.

As a non person specific last statement: Trolls; You have failed, you will always fail because your masters failed you long ago...
We are not worried, we have every documentation and witness we need.
Now it is our task to get this public while keeping the safety of our witnesses and their family's in as high regard as possible.

So I guess needless to say; Stay tuned

Edit to add for EYES WIDE OPEN:
I hear your concerns regarding sites getting taken down. I have put in place services that avoids any SOPA\Government censorship acts, but it needs to be more deeply implemented as the tech is quite different from common server settings. At some point we might give "IP addresses" that can be typed into a browser or mirrored. Just fyi

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Tommy Keep up the 'great work' ....Cheers steve...

[Mad Hatter]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I feel that the last half hour of the thread is the only relevant piece, for me. I resonate and 'see' the part about the time lines and a chess game already lost by the elite. When I see us bickering, rather than discussing, it makes me wonder if my 'vision' sucks. Discussions of character are the great distraction. We have our own paths to walk elegantly and finding others to walk with to a common, and hopefully better, future takes focus. What other people do that does not directly impact us in our shaping of the future and getting to it, is none of our business. Emotional triggers are booby traps on the path to a better world. They need defusing, for sure. IMO, that is private work.

Quick quick pay attention watch my left hand... what do you mean I've got dogs balls in the other...

Posted by modwiz (here)
So, I will now go and focus on a timeline where good and thoughtful people, who care about the Earth and other people, begin to take over management of this planet and the parasites die from lack of warm bodies to feed off of.

Hmm...smart thinking this boy does...

[Wind]

I know you must be working hard to keep the PC site running, Tommy! Keep fighting the good fight and thanks! There are alot of us who appreciate your efforts.

[Tommy]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
I know you must be working hard to keep the PC site running, Tommy! Keep fighting the good fight and thanks! There are alot of us who appreciate your efforts.

Thanks, and no problem It's good work, a sword comes in many shapes these days you know, but the truth still remains that you need to keep your sword sharp by maintaining it properly, and maintaining your knowledge of the best "metal" to use (metaphorically speaking only of-course)

I just wanted to share how I (as a person) experienced the immediate fallout after the Bill Wood interview, kinda so you know where I come from to give a little more substance to my present and earlier statements. I will do my best to keep as much as possible in the open.

Cheers

Tommy

[spiritguide]

Tommy, could you keep us apprised of the Don Shipley's response. Thank you for your efforts. Maybe we can follow Shipley's money and motives.