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[Quantum Logic]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

What if the right choice- is not to choose at all. If no one would take either of their sides, how would the endless right-left struggle continue? Have you ever wondered why when Obama won the election, and the Democrats had control of both the House and Senate, why they didn't pass everything they ever wanted, and crush the Republicans forever? It's because that would have ended the struggle- the facade- and NEITHER side wants that. They want to continue to make us decide which of them is right- and we remain caught in the middle of them.

There were so many timelines to choose from so we narrowed it down to 2 choices. Creation or Destruction of mankind. We kept it simple.

Very interesting choice of words. I was not aware that all of the choices that exist from now till then had already been made. Is not the future fluid?

[shadowbox]

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

I think the intended interpretation of "2 possible timelines" may be the complete spectrum between 2 polar points: -1 & 1. All of the space between -1 & 1 being all of our (infinitely) potential choices & their (infinitely) potential outcomes. Whether "positive" or "negative" is wholly dependent on the relative perspective of the ego.

[Quantum Logic]

Posted by shadowbox (here)

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

I think the intended interpretation of "2 possible timelines" may be the complete spectrum between 2 polar points: -1 & 1. All of the space between -1 & 1 being all of our (infinitely) potential choices & their (infinitely) potential outcomes. Whether "positive" or "negative" is wholly dependent on the relative perspective of the ego.

But this still implies there are only 2 possibilities. What about something in between, such as great destruction before creation? This is not only possible, it is most likely. The future is never just black and white. Balance between opposing forces creates what is in between- and that is what we experience.

[olddragon]

The White Dragon suggestion is for a representative to be selected by each of the following groups: Africa, China, East Asia (excluding China), India, North and South America, Europe including Russia, the Islamic world and first nations.

OK, were dose the smallest continent or biggest Island, Australia fit in. We have our own unique problems here. We can't support a large population, but we cover a huge area taking in a huge resource base. Are we to be dictated to and dominated by China, India or another country with a huge population in the Asian region that dosen't reflect our culture and world views as a society or will we have our own seat on this council. I for one will not tolerate my country being ruined even more by outsiders, its bad enough as it is.

[Mulder]

Fulford is now abandoning his predictions of WW3 - that's extremely positive if he is. His hopes for the next decade, from what he's outlined sounds like Communism, and I'm afraid tyrants always take over Communist Govts, no matter what amazing promises are made to the proletariat to adopt Communism. So this is my prediction of the next decade, the world will be under Communist rule (but with a different name like "Environmentalism").

[shadowbox]

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)

Posted by shadowbox (here)

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

I think the intended interpretation of "2 possible timelines" may be the complete spectrum between 2 polar points: -1 & 1. All of the space between -1 & 1 being all of our (infinitely) potential choices & their (infinitely) potential outcomes. Whether "positive" or "negative" is wholly dependent on the relative perspective of the ego.

But this still implies there are only 2 possibilities. What about something in between, such as great destruction before creation? This is not only possible, it is most likely. The future is never just black and white. Balance between opposing forces creates what is in between- and that is what we experience.

And these "opposing forces" are all in between 2 polar points. Surely there are more than 2 possibilities or "opposing forces" existing between -1 & 1. But they are all in between 2 polar points. Just like everything else in this universe: existence & non-existence. Yin & yang. Good & evil. Black & white.

Abstracting to say that there must be more than "just" 2 points is to perceive from the relative position of the ego.

..this is simply my own personal belief, nothing more..

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Just for kicks, let's speculate what would happen if suddenly the money supply was doubled. Would not that cause goods and services to double in price? Not being an economist myself, maybe someone more qualified could answer that question.

The more of anything that exists, the less it is worth.

The global financial problem can be helped by eliminating debt and allowing free energy. Debt is the big slave maker.

This gift of $125,000 to each person feels like a scam, a gift with a hidden agenda, an invitation to vote for more "hope and change". I'll not focus on the $125,000. My attention goes to a global currency, a global bank and global government. Is not that the ultimate dream of the cabal?

In my humble opinion, the cabal is not ready to relinquish control and become champions of freedom.

Problem (debt), reaction (grab the $125,000 "gift") - solution (world currency, world bank, world government run by the same cabal).

Severe inflation is the result of creating the $125,000 gift for everyone. It is just a computer entry for the controllers. Is the $125,000 gift then enough money to buy a loaf of bread?

No Thank You. I do not need a gift like that.

[9eagle9]

Your remarks are spot on. With all the varied people here on earth making different decisions every minute based on zillions of different intentions built on all are varied past experiences, how do we end up with 'just' two timelines? With ever choice I make now, I effect my future, good, bad or indifferent.

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

What if the right choice- is not to choose at all. If no one would take either of their sides, how would the endless right-left struggle continue? Have you ever wondered why when Obama won the election, and the Democrats had control of both the House and Senate, why they didn't pass everything they ever wanted, and crush the Republicans forever? It's because that would have ended the struggle- the facade- and NEITHER side wants that. They want to continue to make us decide which of them is right- and we remain caught in the middle of them.

There were so many timelines to choose from so we narrowed it down to 2 choices. Creation or Destruction of mankind. We kept it simple.

Very interesting choice of words. I was not aware that all of the choices that exist from now till then had already been made. Is not the future fluid?

[DreamsInDigital]

But, he's proposing with the Asians an complete global regime change , so it wouldn't be the same Cabal/Global Elite. I think a lot of people really aren't truly seeing what he is saying, and reporting on.

@ Quantum Logic
There is not going to be any global destruction, there just isn't. There are to many forces out there that are and will prevent it from happening. Make a quantum leap and see what people are saying and why they're saying it. If you understand Quantum Physics and Mechanics as much as I feel you do, you'll be able to look at stuff like Project Looking Glass, and understand how it works. Being able to literally see through the time / space continuum, and per that "looking glass" and multiple different independent sources they have all said, there is only one outcome (as they've tried all different variances, possibilities and probabilities with that technology) and we're on a very positive path. That leads to global enlightenment. All this negative timelines , destruction etc. Is just pure fear porn and fear mongering on many different levels. By, the PTW trying to pull as many people as they can into the negative timeline because they already know they've lost. That's just the way it is. But the problem is, globally to many people have already woken up to become aware of what's going on. And have made that quantum jump to the positive but balanced timelines. Some of us even have Off Worlder contacts that are telling us this, it's not just us wishful thinking or pulling some weird mumbo jumbo out of our backsides. The PTW are in The Checkmate, they've lost the war. We just have to finish fighting this last battle. No we don't sit back yet and reap our rewards. We keep fighting to finish the final battle. But, the Good Guys have already won the war. Just the way it is. Now, it's up to everyone else to jump wake up and become aware of what is.

I agree with what you said about us all having individual paths, but that's the thing. There are individual paths, and there is the global/humanity path. The Global/Humanity Path is on a very Positive Timeline. And, it wont be swayed, it's to solidified. But, that's not saying all our individual time lines are limited to the two polar opposites. How ever though with the timelines converging in December because the Consciousness of the Universe wants it that way. That's just the Humanity/Earth/Terran Timeline that is a Positive one, but not the Universal Time Line, or the Individual being's timeline. Those are all still different.

[modwiz]

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
This does not "feel" right. Why, after so many years of secrets and deception, would the "forces of darkness" just accept this proposal? They have killed countless billions, and will do so again to maintain the network of control. This is too easy. The future is always born in pain, but this scenario hands the world over on a silver platter back to us. Why would they do that? Does it make any sense that these people are going to just accept going to prison for the rest of their lives- really? I feel this is not the case. These are the type of people who would "poison the well" so to speak- if they cannot have it, no one can. It would be foolish for me to believe that suddenly they had a monumental change of heart and are going to accept this.

I have read a number of threads as of late that imply we have already won this, or are in the process of doing so. But to believe this at face value would cause most to let their guard down, which to me, is exactly how "they" operate- deception. Fulford and the group may indeed be making these plans, which if true, possibly changes the control plan. I fear Japan has just put a big red X on themselves. I will be watching for an unnatural earthquake in the region of enormous magnitude. The potential reality has been altered by his announcement.

Please- stay vigilant.

Prisons are so last millenia. We have all of these reaaly new camps they built for us that they can go into. The karmic balance of it is elegant. John Lennon? "Instant Karma".

The critters know we are not savages like them, but if they poison wells we might might be able to make exceptions. Their best behavior, as they are now cornered, is their best chance at staying alive. Their soulless philosophy values staying alive above all else, so they will be inclined to bargain. They also think they will figure something out because 'we are all so dumb', so they would see it as buying time. They did it before and they think they could do it again. There are some other thoughts, but that will do for now.

[joedjemal]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
But, he's proposing with the Asians an complete global regime change , so it wouldn't be the same Cabal/Global Elite. I think a lot of people really aren't truly seeing what he is saying, and reporting on.

@ Quantum Logic
There is not going to be any global destruction, there just isn't. There are to many forces out there that are and will prevent it from happening. Make a quantum leap and see what people are saying and why they're saying it. If you understand Quantum Physics and Mechanics as much as I feel you do, you'll be able to look at stuff like Project Looking Glass, and understand how it works. Being able to literally see through the time / space continuum, and per that "looking glass" and multiple different independent sources they have all said, there is only one outcome (as they've tried all different variances, possibilities and probabilities with that technology) and we're on a very positive path. That leads to global enlightenment. All this negative timelines , destruction etc. Is just pure fear porn and fear mongering on many different levels. By, the PTW trying to pull as many people as they can into the negative timeline because they already know they've lost. That's just the way it is. But the problem is, globally to many people have already woken up to become aware of what's going on. And have made that quantum jump to the positive but balanced timelines. Some of us even have Off Worlder contacts that are telling us this, it's not just us wishful thinking or pulling some weird mumbo jumbo out of our backsides. The PTW are in The Checkmate, they've lost the war. We just have to finish fighting this last battle. No we don't sit back yet and reap our rewards. We keep fighting to finish the final battle. But, the Good Guys have already won the war. Just the way it is. Now, it's up to everyone else to jump wake up and become aware of what is.

I agree with what you said about us all having individual paths, but that's the thing. There are individual paths, and there is the global/humanity path. The Global/Humanity Path is on a very Positive Timeline. And, it wont be swayed, it's to solidified. But, that's not saying all our individual time lines are limited to the two polar opposites. How ever though with the timelines converging in December because the Consciousness of the Universe wants it that way. That's just the Humanity/Earth/Terran Timeline that is a Positive one, but not the Universal Time Line, or the Individual being's timeline. Those are all still different.

There's one way of knowing they've definitely lost. Their systems will lead to the extiction of most life on the planet including us if allowed to continue. Rule by psychopaths is inherently unsustainable because they are delusional. They have reached the limits of capability for the current systems and they are collapsing. Nothing they can do will stop it and that means the end of their control.

We need a sustainable infrastructure right now. If there are any funds we should establish millions of plant nurseries around the world and introduce permaculture, make everyone self sufficient. If we depend on no depleting resource and limit our population growth then we have a future where no one rules. Where you have rulers the psychopaths take over. It's an unsustainable pattern and will have to go. Only then will there be enough for everyone.

[Pete]

The collapse will bring a shift in perception and a new paradigm will be born

Check out this:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle-to-cradle_design

Following this philosophy, design of a product is based upon its whole life cycle, the materials used either become food for new materials or they can be reformed without degrading the base material, therefore, as long as you recycle the material, the base resource never runs out or is lost to less valuable use.

A good example would be how they currently recycle plastic, at the moment most manufacturers recycle the plastic left in the machine after a product run, this allows them to say that they are using a proportion of recycled material and thus get the pat on the back and everyone feels good. The truth is that the current technology and market forces (our perception of what a new product should look like) actually leaves the manufacturer in a difficult position as the materials, manufacturing processes and recycling technology is simply not up to the job.

Therefore when they recycle plastics that originally had a crystal clear appearance and high tensile strength all they can do is produce the type of recycled plastic you see used in decking, fence posts etc and the original high quality material is lost in a goulash of other materials and pigments.

The answer to this problem will probably solved by some of the suppressed patent applications, I do look forward to their release.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Another thing I am going to politely ask of the contributing posters is to please take your cynicism and negative thoughts/energy/attitudes else where.

Hi DreamsInDigital,

I will respect your wish to leave this topic to those who can provide input devoid of cynicism. I am pretty good at politely disagreeing with another's viewpoint without attacking the person, and could enter the topic with a ground-rule of not attacking Ben's credibility, but as the second quote in your signature line underscores, "Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant.", and it would be impossible for me to discuss this topic without offering any observations that would be seen as cynical or unpleasant.

Dennis

[DreamsInDigital]

Well DL, there have been others that have failed to avoid my politely asking to take the cynicism elsewhere. So, certainly if you want to contribute and do it with out attacking Ben's credibility since i'm just tired of people creating a huge mess by beating a dead horse and needlessly derailing the thread. Have at it! I just really want more than anything for this thread to be productive and put more positive energy behind making changes like this, which is still sorely needed. We need to get out of these negative thought patterns and mind sets. Not to say that caution and constructive criticism shouldn't be included. But completely pooping on something that will make a difference in this world isn't helping anything.

[conk]

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Posted by gooty64 (here)
More money will make the world a better place-----REALLY?

Money is not negative within itself, It is how money has been used that has manifested the negativity of greed and corruption.

Abundance is every human beings birth right. and there is plenty to go around.

Perception again Gooty

Peace

Money was invented with the reason to enslave, it truly is the root of all evil at this time...

I always thought money was invented to deceive. Money came from gold receipts. Gold receipts were issued by the gold vault owner. He knew that no one knew how much gold was in the vault, so he issued more receipts than gold to pay them. The receipts could be used as money or means of exchange. The beginnings of fractional banking.

[Alie]

Take a look at this thread the other day with the video of Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Charlie Rose show, on his book “Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power”.

In the first few seconds/minutes? of the video, he established that power was shifting to the East and his view (which I didn't watch) about "Americas role in the new world order".

[DreamsInDigital]

Posted by conk (here)
I always thought money was invented to deceive. Money came from gold receipts. Gold receipts were issued by the gold vault owner. He knew that no one knew how much gold was in the vault, so he issued more receipts than gold to pay them. The receipts could be used as money or means of exchange. The beginnings of fractional banking.

Money was invented with the original intent as a means of exchange for goods.

Posted by Alie (here)
Take a look at this thread the other day with the video of Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Charlie Rose show, on his book “Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power”.

In the first few seconds/minutes? of the video, he established that power was shifting to the East and his view (which I didn't watch) about "Americas role in the new world order".

There's confirmation of what Ben's been saying pretty much everywhere, like you did. Others just need to take the time to look, and not just towards MSM sources. We should all know by now, the real reliable sources are Alt-News Sources and that MSM ones are corrupted and unreliable.

[DreamsInDigital]

double post, please delete Mods!

[haibane]

Posted by rmauersr (here)
Just for kicks, let's speculate what would happen if suddenly the money supply was doubled.

I think I totally agree with your point. But then again - what if the 'black' money, especially dollars, known to be in circulation in about the same amount as the 'official' money, as well as the recent bail-outs money, was just scratched at the same time, or even better, if the only money allowed in circulation were the 'gift' money?

[haibane]

Hi, nice to see a fellow countryman on board (^__^ )

But you lost me right there:

Posted by Quantum Logic (here)
And how many, before the reset occurs, would go out and purchase the materials for free energy device construction?

Last time I've checked my local Free-Energy-Devices-Materials-Store, it wasn't even there ... Also, what do you actually mean by 'free energy'? How exactly is it free if you have to go and PURCHASE materials to build a free energy device? Or did you mean energy you just don't have to pay for (which BTW is an interesting idea in its own right)?