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    I appreciate learning about the word and the gesture, since I had no idea what it meant. (Although I've seen the word hundreds of times). I see no problem starting a thread like this, because I learned something new. But I have no desire to kick anyones ass because they are different than me.
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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Saying namaste is not the point really, its how things get corrupted to mean what they don't mean losing thier meaning and significance and their helpfulness. Their truth is lost. Not that doing it has created some sort of awful vortex that people are going to get sucked in to and never return from.
    I think this needs to be emphasized a bit more; I was having this discussion over the weekend.

    we are over exposed, we are de-sensitized, we are shocked with things so bright and fantastical that the "ordinary" seems mundane,.. to illustrate my point I pointed to a round dome shaped thermostat control on a near by wall & asked if anyone had sat and thought how beautiful it is, the shadow its casting, the fact that its there and we can observe it..

    I think this is what is happening to us,, its "A Brave New World" as huxley would say (or his book title did... haha) this goes back to your previous explanation of "psychic" which ironically hilarious to me as I am a proponent of the 7 liberal arts, the first of which is GRAMMAR!

    I did not even stop to examine the root meaning of the word as its "new" meaning was so prevalent in my mind... I cannot think of a better example of how the watering down of terms like Namaste damages everyone...

    Intuition would be a great example, I know its real because I've done things I shouldn't be able to with it, but its so subtle, so quiet.. I don't know if I've heard it in years because apparently the only time I let my block down for it to come through is extremely specific & oriented to a subject I feel confident that I know (perhaps lessening my critical barrier's ability to block me)

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    There is actually a chakra in each of the palms of your hands (and your feet too).

    Most people just focus on the main 7 spine ones, but there are others. Notably the hands and feet.
    I do a lot of torrid visualizations, I try to see myself instead of a conduit with an input on top and out put on the bottom, i see the bottom energy recycling to the top & sometimes feel a physical rush doing that, the same strange head "tingling" I feel when i'm thinking about a topic and decide its profound... seems very placeboish to me though it really lifts my mood and brings a smile to my face... I fantasize that it's me producing carbon7 haha..



    I can see how Namaste is somewhat like that, I'm pretty sure I got the above from something I read on the interwebs... I don't know what it is about that stuff but it feels right so why not do it... and intent does seem key (though I think my critical barrier is ****ing strong.. haha lots of doubt)
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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."
    This is what I've thought so many times! Thank you for having the chutzpah to say it! So many times I hear it and I think "well, aren't you all nice and spiritual?" It always seems to me to be used by people who want to say something about themselves as opposed to something about the addressee.

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    Sigh.

    Tell me about it. 35+ years ago, when I first became involved in yo.ga. (it was this bizarre hindu twist-yourself-into-a-pretzel…you wouldn’t remember it…) our small group of ashram residents would go out jog.ging early before dawn in order to improve our breathing and circulation, and before doing as.a.na and “meditation” (long story…) Then we’d have a meatless meal (cf: “vegetarian”) before going out to do “community seva” (service-to-others, another obscure concept….) We taught – and offered – massage therapy, polarity, reflexology, herbalism, nutritional therapy…. Five bux a session.

    We bowed, in recognition, to each other. Namaste. In the wonderful understanding that 9Eagle elucidates here.

    Boy, were we ever weird. I would sneak away to my ashram secretly. Never dared tell anyone about my hidden life there. But I was eventually fired from my expensive job in advertising for suggesting to our largest client, a Fortune 500 company, that they might profit by selling healthy vegetarian entrees. The nerve of me! The weirdness! The agency was sooooo embarrassed. That was in 1979…..

    But we started offering yoga classes in our home towns. In church basements, gymnasiums, studios…

    You can buy fashionable “yoga wear” now. Fancy floor mats. Organic vitamins with designer labels. My nieces – and all their friends - are vegetarians; their parents are still appalled.

    And everyone says ‘Namaste, y’all’.

    Whatever.

    I still have my altar and meditation room. And I use it.

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    I have never personally been drawn to use this term as it never felt like me. However, if I did it would be because I liked the idea of suggesting a powerful idea like "the divine in me recognizes the divine in you" in a simple word. It makes me a bit sad to see people who attempt to convey a beautiful respectful idea being lambasted and called ignorant. There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy. Why do we need to focus more energy on trying to make others feel bad or stupid. This thread reminds me of one on another site where people were told not to use namaste because it was an anagram for 'me satan'. I can understand how someone for whatever reason might decide that this is not right for them to use...but find it a bit strange when one feels the need to put everyone else in their place and impose their views (whether right or worng) on others.

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    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy..
    ahh, and here is where you and I strongly disagree!

    The 7 Liberal arts (Literary THE WAY to (critically) think.. this is taught in ivy league schools, but never to you or I) are comprised of the Trivium & Quadrivium.. (the topics are listed in order of importance, the trivium is first, the quadrivium after.. its a complex topic, there is a link in my signature should you be interested in more)

    the Trivium :

    Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.

    our VERY THOUGHTS are shaped by the first language we learn, grammar is SO important it shapes an entire people, for example:

    German is EXTREMELY precise, there aren't many vague words & one says EXACTLY what they mean in German, with little room for interpretation.
    and the German people exemplify this! they have always been masters at complex machinery, they have been a strong economy for as far as history records (ignoring a few out side influences from privately owned central banks)

    English is EXTREMELY vauge, its a language designed to deliver an impression, but not an exact.. and look at what its peopiles produce.. opressive empires, complex financial systems (trickery)...

    my point is this: if you can ONLY frame a thought by use of grammar, how can you say that perversion of grammar (words) is not the HIGHEST EVIL possible?

    I had to explain to someone this weekend that I was a "REAL" conservative, the word has been twisted to NOT mean what it is meant to..

    how about economy? do you think our current "economy" meets the definition of the word or is it a perverse joke?

    I find this an issue of the highest importance, as it shapes the very way we think.
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    I have studied yoga 20 years. I am 55 and don't care about being hip. I have used Namaste with casual friends and respected gurus. I will still use it. If you want to rant on about it... whatever.... equally as dangerous to take offense as give offense. Namaste

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    Again ...we are reframing the whole notion in context to our feelings.

    The program works in reverse meaning my objectors are going to make my accuracy rate well beyond spot on. I'm not creating this spot on accuracy,its not a mystical trick the objectors are. Isn't that just a pardox all on it's own...lol.

    Here is something very important to focus on. What is more imporant than the mass progamming of entire world? No one can focus on "imporant' because it might make someone sad. The ptb operates through our feelings. Not just our fear. It operates through our happy, our sad, and whole bunch of other feelings. It programs us to overlook EVIDENCE and not be AWARE of it-- to disregard it for how we feel. Don't look at the evidence if it makes you sad. The program was put in motion and like a virus is just passed from one person to another.

    "I'm not going to look at that because it doesn't make me feel good'. Evidence is evil. Anyone ever wonder why no one can hear their more intellgient part of themselves. We're not programmed not to, ...its evil.

    This is program is called a distractor. Are you aware that your feelings are distracting you from what some people feel is the most important thing on earth, the mass programming of an entire population.

    I said very plainly that those who object to any sort of awareness will do so based in the context of their feelings. How many people are ignoring this? I'm somehow managing people because I'm noticing this? Something is managing someone but it ain't me. A very basic human nature. If you do not manage your feelings they will begin to manage you. Then something else who knows more about feelings management will come in and manage you ...for you.

    Fortunate are those who are only managed by their ego.

    I'm sad that 9/11 happened. However my sadness does not force me to deny the evidence of 9/11. Which was an act of mass hypnosis --shock induction--create trauma, insert a story. It wasn't until well after 9/11 when most people got over the worst of their shock , that people were able to start to see the evidence for what it was.

    There are a zillion different ways to do this to us, so be prepared to be sad for a long time.

    9/11 showed us this interesting apperance of fortitude. People who KNEW all about building demolition weren't buying the story. Those who had experience with building demolition, jet fuel, metals were not buying the story. The corruption that was attempted before everyone was not bought by those who KNEW. I'm sure they had some ugly bad feelings about 9/11 but it didn't make them look away from the evidence. They trusted their own knowledge. They didn't ignore it because they were sad...or it didn't make them feel good.

    These people were shouted down as fear mongers, managers, 'they think they have the right to tell the government its in error."

    Didnt we have the right to know that? Our feelings are denying us a lot of rights.

    People are out of place and need to know its OKAY to move back into their space. Regardless of what anyone's feelings have to do with it.


    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    I have never personally been drawn to use this term as it never felt like me. However, if I did it would be because I liked the idea of suggesting a powerful idea like "the divine in me recognizes the divine in you" in a simple word. It makes me a bit sad to see people who attempt to convey a beautiful respectful idea being lambasted and called ignorant. There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy. Why do we need to focus more energy on trying to make others feel bad or stupid. This thread reminds me of one on another site where people were told not to use namaste because it was an anagram for 'me satan'. I can understand how someone for whatever reason might decide that this is not right for them to use...but find it a bit strange when one feels the need to put everyone else in their place and impose their views (whether right or worng) on others.

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    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy..
    ahh, and here is where you and I strongly disagree!

    The 7 Liberal arts (Literary THE WAY to (critically) think.. this is taught in ivy league schools, but never to you or I) are comprised of the Trivium & Quadrivium.. (the topics are listed in order of importance, the trivium is first, the quadrivium after.. its a complex topic, there is a link in my signature should you be interested in more)

    the Trivium :

    Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.

    our VERY THOUGHTS are shaped by the first language we learn, grammar is SO important it shapes an entire people, for example:

    German is EXTREMELY precise, there aren't many vague words & one says EXACTLY what they mean in German, with little room for interpretation.
    and the German people exemplify this! they have always been masters at complex machinery, they have been a strong economy for as far as history records (ignoring a few out side influences from privately owned central banks)

    English is EXTREMELY vauge, its a language designed to deliver an impression, but not an exact.. and look at what its peopiles produce.. opressive empires, complex financial systems (trickery)...

    my point is this: if you can ONLY frame a thought by use of grammar, how can you say that perversion of grammar (words) is not the HIGHEST EVIL possible?

    I had to explain to someone this weekend that I was a "REAL" conservative, the word has been twisted to NOT mean what it is meant to..

    how about economy? do you think our current "economy" meets the definition of the word or is it a perverse joke?

    I find this an issue of the highest importance, as it shapes the very way we think.
    I think it is great that you have found something you are passionate about. And I would be interested in hearing what you learn. But everyone has diffferent things that feel important to them...and that is good. I have a friend who worked as a midwife for many years. She told me that at the time she was studying she felt this profession was the only important worthwhile profession and couldn't understand how anyone could see differently. This is not to say that linguistics isn't very important.

    I just think it is important that we listen to our own hearts and follow what feels right to us. I also think it is great when we can share our passion's learnings with others, but I don't appreciate an approach that implies it is a 'higher' truth and demeans others...that is rife enough in our school systems.

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    The bait was set, the enticing scent of cheese emitted throughout the vicinity and now the traps are closing.

    Touche 9eagle9. This thread has beared many of fruit.

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    but I don't appreciate an approach that implies it is a 'higher' truth and demeans others...that is rife enough in our school systems.
    I hope I conveyed that it is my personal feelings there, not that is THE ONLY way or any such thing.. I'm no authority in anything that this forum would find interesting, but linguistics and linguistic drift especially are an interest of mine; it all started when I began researching certain phrase origins (like "saved by the bell", awesome history there...)
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    AGAIN (echo echo echo) this not about feelings its about evidence of perversion people always accuse me of ranting and you are assigning an anger behavior to me. With no evidene whatsoever but your feelings. How my post made you 'feel'. I can disturb the peace without ranting. We are attempting to sway this into a matter of feelings when it is a matter of evidence. People who see get their feelings out of the way, are are not standing on the trip trigger of emotion all the time, get this.

    One demonstration of how easily things get corrupted. But we can't mention it because of 'feelings' and offense. This is beyond inution and more about an emerging pattern. All based on what? FEELINGS!!!

    You are NOT your feeelings, someone made you think that you are your feelings and that is the only thing that is important.

    What are we showing to the world's power brokers who are brockering us. Just bag them through their feelings.

    And so they have.

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    I have studied yoga 20 years. I am 55 and don't care about being hip. I have used Namaste with casual friends and respected gurus. I will still use it. If you want to rant on about it... whatever.... equally as dangerous to take offense as give offense. Namaste


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    but I don't appreciate an approach that implies it is a 'higher' truth and demeans others...that is rife enough in our school systems.
    I hope I conveyed that it is my personal feelings there, not that is THE ONLY way or any such thing.. I'm no authority in anything that this forum would find interesting, but linguistics and linguistic drift especially are an interest of mine; it all started when I began researching certain phrase origins (like "saved by the bell", awesome history there...)

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    9eagle9 thanks for the thread. I have read all of your posts in this thread and I understand you think it is wrong to use the word namaste to another person. And you view it as a way "hipsters" prop up their egos by confirming their spirituality for others to see. I respect your opinions and I love reading the diversity of people's responses and articulations. However I am still confused as to what is wrong when One(who understands the divine idea) uses the word exchange namaste with another. How exactly does using the word namaste with the divine intention actually corrupt the idea of itself. If you could elaborate on this more I may grasp your idea, or we may just disagree. I recognize your passion for truth and that which is sacred. Peace to you.
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    The objection to the debasement of the greeting "Namaste" reminds me of the objections that are sometimes raised about other components of our culture.

    Specifically, I refer to those instances of a song, film or personality becoming so popular that there is a reaction against them. It happens all the time. The phenomenon is typically someone or some thing that is adopted by the cognoscenti (the cool kids - that's US) as being praiseworthy, as having a superior quality that has not yet been recognized by the masses.

    The admiration of this phenomenon then becomes a signifier to those in the "in crowd" that they are superior to the masses because of their raised awareness. They can thus easily close the circle against intruders, those who are not of 'like minds", secure in the knowledge that they alone understand.

    Problems arise, however, when the masses, who pay attention to what the cool kids pay attention to, begin to buy into the wonderfulness of the phenomenon. This is when the debasement occurs, at least in the minds of the cool ones. They disdain the way the masses adopt the new trend because they see the masses as mindlessly co-opting the cool phenomenon without being cognizant of its inherent quality (which is true) i.e. the reason that the cool kids thought it was cool in the first place. In my case, I remember being taken aback when I was in my forties and teens started greeting me with the "Peace" sign. I got over my shock, however, and enjoyed it, especially since they truly seemed to mean it. Now that they've moved on to "Yo! What-up?" I feel truly nostalgic.

    By the time the film, television show, song, band, meme or whatever makes its appearance on a t-shirt, it's all over, at least as far as the cognoscenti are concerned. They are left, they think, with no other options than to decry the debasement of their former treasure, pronounce the death of meaning within it, and move on to find another object of special merit. The unfortunate truth is that if they could only get past their smug sense of superiority, they could continue to enjoy their formerly secret treasure. But most can't. And so the cycle begins anew.

    This, to my way of thinking, is what is happening in this discussion of "Namaste". When I first encountered the word I was living in Nepal in the 80s, and it was a form of greeting used by nearly everyone - local and foreigner alike, to friend, family and stranger alike.

    When, upon inquiry, I discovered that the speaker was "saluting the spirit within you/me" I took it at face value and adopted the practice as well. Even though I was not particularly "spiritual" at the time, I was very happy to be in a culture that took such a positive and welcoming approach to human relationships. On my return to Canada, though, I let it go.

    More recently, as I have become more spiritually aware, I have begun to use the honourific in my daily discourse. More often than not the person that I'm "Namaste-ing" has no clue as to the meaning I am trying to convey. Some want to know more, and I'm glad to explain. But the point is, it doesn't matter to me whether they "get" it or not. It matters to me, and it matters to the universe. My intent is not to be trendy or cool. My intent is to salute the spirit within them. At some level, I feel that they really DO understand, and hold the hope that maybe it can trigger a tiny spark of awareness within them.

    So, will I resist the temptation to use Namaste in my daily life? Only if I feel like I should. For the most part, I love using it whenever possible - I feel it's a personal reminder to be aware of the spark within all living entities. It's an honest conviction that I hold at the deepest level of my being. I cannot choose not to use it simply because some of the "masses" have adopted it without the prerequisite understanding. It's only a matter of a brief time until they move on to the adoption of yet another greeting meme anyway.

    And one should always be open to the possibility that the voicing of the word, even without the true intent within, will help raise the vibration just a little bit. Isn't that something we would all welcome? What would you rather hear?

    Perhaps, even, some of those in the masses (like my former self) will actually be helped to awaken and to become individuals who are aware.

    So, to sum up: Chill. Just enjoy hearing the word being used.

    Use it yourself.

    It's a start.

    Namaste and Peace, Man
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    Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

    When I go to dinner I sit down to a table with this stuff to the right and left, all primp and proper, I move everything to the right these tiny little forks all on the left. What kind of a tick is that to place forks to the left and why different sizes.

    Wear in nature is all this manners and grammar, this why or that way, definitions and meaning have a play in communication or survival of the fittest.

    All this Set up to show how not an animal we are? look how smart I am because I do this or that because I’m not an animal, learned ego inventing rules of speech or gesture. BS following some one else’s original thought or idea.

    If I’m round, I don’t have to fit in a square hole, and making everything square to fit our world because some one said this is the way it is, In olden times still learning old rules. And code enforcement. And wagging the finger at someone.

    To fit in my club you have to talk like this and walk like and quack like a duck. Hockey pucks, the word Gay used to me jolly and fun, now its perverted. The snobs are the ones not changing or learning the new meanings or feelings behind my heart felt thank you, or Namaste, stay all prim and proper if you like.

    To label another as,, ignorant or dumb wow based in nature this has no meaning, and so words make one higher than another? in nature all things exist, words and definitions do not. Knowledge and civilization is the sickness that’s killing man and his prim and proper ways. If we are infinite in all possibilities, oh wait here comes some one else with a rule book, manual, grammar, to throw a chain around the infinite according to Wyne’s world. Code enforcement on duty, Up can’t do that because of this, can’t do that either because,::: who made men’s words absolute and confining? Controlling what and how we say anything, from birth we’ve been forced into a box. I’m not going to conform to any book of rules. I live free, if it no longer fits don’t force it. Change it.

    Stuck in old ways of thinking and speaking, because ____________ the word means this or that? We have to enforce the code of conduct. The world is still flat I guess?

    I would rather live with Tarzan in the jungle than any intellectual preppy know it all stick in the mud rule book code enforcement. When the last fish is caught, the last tree is cut down, the last river poisoned, or the last rule enforced. Will we ever know words and money are not food.

    Wars have been fought for less, all at the hand of enforcement of a rule or definition. I crack my egg from the top, and they how dare they crack there egg’s form the bottom and on it go’s, it must be this why; are the insanity enforcers. The prodigal keeper’s, school nanny’s.


    May the force be with you, my the sun rise and shine upon you. What is it you want to hear from us that have no wisdom to speak? Or should we just stay silent to your all knowing wisdom, ? No I’m not taking it personal, I’m not taking any code enforcement no matter were it came from or why. If its not in life and nature then its just man’s BS. And has no place or authority. Intent is everything and mine is from love. Thank you.

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    Oy ! I can't wait until we're all telepathic, and words will be rendered useless -- we'll know what we mean before any word pops out. How's that for truth and understanding?

    Fellow Aspirant - I couldn't agree more with all you said - in fact, I think you stole my thoughts

    All I gotta say is, speak your heart and allow others to do the same. Remember, its "so cool" to also go against the grain - so if you think you're taking the higher road, you're just leading another cause in the other direction.

    Be yourself, say what you will - and ALLOW others their airspace (altho Im grateful the Bartman saga is over) "Dont have a ... namaste Man!!"

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    How exactly does using the word namaste with the divine intention actually corrupt the idea of itself.

    Divine Intention is not the same as divine presence or seeing the divine. The evidence you are looking for is not with me. It is in the response of the posters that are aggravated at me. Which tells me namaste isn't present in spite of the fact the word was used. Divine communication doesn't say "You are angry, ranting, hurting my feelings or wasting your time" If that is what divine communication is, we can get that from people without divine intervention.

    Divine communication does not go anywhere near this. So just using the word without having the understanding isn't the same thing. People (even Tegra..lol) can namaste without using the word. So now we are getting revealed to us these people used the gesture in yoga or whatever but still didn't get the understanding.

    Namaste can understand another person in spite of the fact there is not agreement present. I believe this is the basis of tolerance? Real tolerance. Not the fake kind where someone jabs at a person and then leaves off with a typed closing of namaste to show that we really do not understand namaste. Using the word misrepreents the actual act of namaste. The two can't live in the same space. We're not dumb. We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not...lol. Using the divine to manipulate with. Who does that? Where did that habit come from?

    If I was going to go deeper into this I'd have to see that some folks have some old opposing core beliefs resisting their namaste.

    Is divinie communication present because someone typed the word? Well their responses don't seem to indicate namaste.

    Yours in your attempt to understand this even though you didn't use the word, indicates an attempt at understanding , seeing another person. You are actually expressing evidence of understanding namaste by attempting to understand me. We are both divine. I understand why you are asking me this so I will respond to you and not shout,

    "Shut up , your an idiot, you don't know anything about it

    ....namaste. "

    You are clearly demonstraing understanding of it. Divine communication is quite often unconsious.

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    9eagle9 thanks for the thread. I have read all of your posts in this thread and I understand you think it is wrong to use the word namaste to another person. And you view it as a way "hipsters" prop up their egos by confirming their spirituality for others to see. I respect your opinions and I love reading the diversity of people's responses and articulations. However I am still confused as to what is wrong when One(who understands the divine idea) uses the word exchange namaste with another. How exactly does using the word namaste with the divine intention actually corrupt the idea of itself. If you could elaborate on this more I may grasp your idea, or we may just disagree. I recognize your passion for truth and that which is sacred. Peace to you.


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    Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

    Namaste FAIL.

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    Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

    Namaste FAIL.
    Huh?

    I thought ljwheat's post was basically referring to the stupidity of social customs and the way they are programmed into the collective - isnt that some of what we are talking about here?

    That is worth thinking about - the perspective as saying Namaste as a social custom/greeting without the meaning - and specifically without the intent.
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    I'm referring to the implication that this is a thread devoted to showing everyone how dumb they are. I am attempting to show what mechanisms are in place to actually dumb us down. And our 'thoughtless' agreement to them. .

    How we are brainwashing ourselves away from anything no matter how small that could assist us in finding a way out from under the power structure that...wants us ...dumb. There's been examples put foward of very small things that have contributed to our loss of self. And the very act of examing some of this stuff is being made personal . I'm not judging anyone for not using namaste, I'm saying they've so mislead away from its actual expression they have no clear idea what i is.

    It reflects the loss of our selves. There is a reflection of reality in the dream . If we are reminded of how we lose things maybe we will stop losing ourselves.

    We get so attached to a word that has some meaning for us that we don't express what the word is. The meaning that we've put on the word in no way comes close to actual expression.

    I do agree culture is just a structure in the dream. However we are given tools in the dream in various contexts of our cultures to find our way out of it. REality in some fashion is reflected in the illusion. Shown in the illusion. We are talking about stuff occuring in a dream. And people are ANGRY because we are talking what is occuring in the illusion...lol. Why does it matter if it's an illusion? Why the anger at a dream? If they new it wasn't our reality would the be that offended. ?

    You see a pattern arising about feeling and intentions. I intend on doing a lot of things, but intentions are just thoughts. Not accomplishments.

    There is appreciable accomplishment in doing something instead of just using the words to replace the action.

    Intention is another corruption.

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    Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

    Namaste FAIL.
    Huh?

    I thought ljwheat's post was basically referring to the stupidity of social customs and the way they are programmed into the collective - isnt that some of what we are talking about here?

    That is worth thinking about - the perspective as saying Namaste as a social custom/greeting without the meaning - and specifically without the intent.

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    Including ourselves.

    Namaste is word derived from Sanskrit to describe a gesture. The act of the gesture, the doing is Namaste. Bringing one’s hands together in what westerners call the prayer position. An ADEPT energy worker or a person who has educated themselves in the pursuits of doing instead of talking knows what this gesture is meant for. They do it, they don’t say it.

    Creates a connection with the divine. That is why it is used in meditation. And in healing.

    The gesture intiates a connction with the divine. For a reason. To say without words “ I see divinity in you. . “I’m saluting your divinity. I SEE you."

    See me divinity see my hands coming together in my willingness to connect with what is great inside of me which is...divinity.

    Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

    You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance. Saying namaste does nothing, doing namaste shows one's willingness to connect with the divine. Making namaste to where it does nothing is a corruption of it. Doing namaste and showing it correctly demonstrates to others the gesture of the willingness to connect with the divine in ourselves and each other.

    That’s a limiting thought. You're not a hip cool new ager, you an infinite being and the moment you began playing with this entertaining thought you began creating your own corruption. We do it out of ignorance.

    If we really knew and felt what this meant we wouldn’t do this. It’s like white kids in the burb adopting ethnic gang talk and attitude. We always laugh at them but fail to see how we are doing the same thing.


    Now that you know….you can do the real thing. From this point on if you continue using Namaste as word to prop up a role , then it is corruption from choice. It's no longer imposed on you from ignorance. From that point on we are now choosing. The roles what we choose are not very well educated and it shows. If it shows we are SEEING it.

    You CAN do the REAL thing . We can bring reality into the lie, the dream, the illusion. That is how the dream will break down.

    Namaste is not a lingo, it’s a gesture. Its a sacred gesture to initiate connection with the divine within us. An adept energy worker will come along shortly and describe the actual mechanics of that gesture what it does in a very detailed way. There is a reason for it.

    Hint: The left hand is making a connection with the right hand.

    We are not supposed to be allowed to say anything about perverting and corrupting sacred things. Including ourselves. We are sacred beings. In doing so we might hurt their feelings. They may not feel good. I have to let them corrupt because their ego may get hurt.

    But it is somehow okay that the peer group watching these people should be okay with the corruption. It's okay to make us watch it but we shouldn't remark on it. That is like asking your peer group to watch you rape a child. Or perform a satanic act.

    That creates a space for it to grow.

    I’m not going to do that anymore. And I'm going to support those who are decicing not to do that anymore. My mistake is that I thought it was none of my business, and these nice perverts will be quick to tell me it’s none of my business. But if my business lies in what is sacred and divine and spirit and human, then it most certainly has become my business .

    Our business.

    One of the oldest wisdoms that we know is "The truth hurts".

    But it only hurts those who resist it.

    If I’m a spiritual being and something is trying to corrupt me or you, its my business because you are sacred too. I SEE you. Now it’s our business. We have every right to care take and nurture our business.

    We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile. We wouldn’t do that would we? But there's this expectation we should ignore it in each other. Some people have expressed I should just ignore and accept them 'as they are' in their corrupt form...just because it makes them feel good.


    What do we have to do? Nothing. We don’t need to kick anyone’s arse. The peaceful warrior just knows what they are seeing and calls it out so everyone else can see it as well. That's it.


    Peaceful warriors are not nice to perversion; they are not to kind corruption, they don't fertilize the garden it grows in. You name me one reason why they should? Isn't that what we came here for, to take care of our business? To end corruption not ignore it or deny it.

    The first answer I’ll get will be in relation to someone’s feelings. We are not our feelings, we are infinite beings. One of the traps that was set was that anything that felt good ....must be love. Is drugs and alchohol over use and abuse love?

    We KNOW. This is the year that we should make it okay to know this.

    Much of our sacred stuff has been corrupted into scared stuff. Take the Bible. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Bible and the Catholic Church took it out and rewrote it. And then rewrote it again to make the wisdom scary. And someone re wrote it again and again.

    When you take sacred out, it transposes into scared. It’s been perverted. It’s been made fear based. We know that perverts stalk children out of fear of intiating healthy relationships with people of their own equality. Out of fear they abuse innocense to empower themseles. There is no appreciable difference.


    People think they have the right to use the holy grail as a chamber pot, but we're not supposed to say anything. Or object.

    Buddhism has been corrupted, so has Christianity, so has healing modalities. Not the ptb doing it. They initiated it and we perpetrated it. Not then, or ago....but now.

    Light, love, spirit, wisdom, truth--all been corrupted into something other than what it really is. All based on our feeling and if something makes us 'feel good'. the truth doesn't make us feel good sometimes so now the truth is evil.

    We are using something sacred , including ourselves, for a purpose other than what it was intended for . Perversion. Corruption. For our own ****zngiggles. For our own kicks. How does this make us any different than the ptb? The ptb who prey on us and use us for their own self gratification.

    Denial. As if denying or ignoring it will correct the corruption.

    A lot of people don’t think I have the right to notice this or make comment on perversion and corruption. I am a human, I am for better or worse part of the human race. That right there gives me the right and entitlement to observe what people are showing under my nose. To SEE perversion and corruption. It gives you the right as well.

    Jeez perversion used to have enough sense to hide itself, now its just parading right in front of our eyes.

    When peole are using the sacred using it to entertain themselves with or to make themselves or someone else ‘feel good’. This is the basis of the human corruption. The basis of addcition, now emotional addiction. It’s imposed on us and we accept it. This is how a thousand people who rule the world by corrupting and perverting can continue doing so. They just intiated the growth of more perversion. People can corrupt each other now and they don't have to lift a finger. The ptb knows how much value we put on our feelings, they know that we'll drift to anything that feels good.

    It’s an addiction. Using the sacred just like using an addictive substance to make one feel good..

    They are abusing the sacred including themselves, and the people who encourage them are spreading it.

    And anyone who points this out ……is called an abuser. You’re mean. You’re dark. You’re evil. You’re an operative.

    If you have the sacred and we see you abusing it, we have every right to mention it. If you feel stupid afterwards, stop doing it. But we also know why you cannot and that too will become part of this thread.

    What else has been perverted besides love, spirit, wisdom and truth. The manifests that grow from those things.

    Like psychic, like channeling, healing things of that nature.

    So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.
    Does it ever get tiring to know so much more truth than other people?

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