Project Avalon is Dying = A challenge, a solution

[Tony]

In my opinion, Avalon died months ago. But, it has renewed itself through the members.

This site was created by so called 'insiders' interviews: all have not been proven.
So the froth of all that illusory excitement has died down.
Bill and Kerry try to rekindle their flame but it does not work any more.

It is the members who write and read here that are the forum.
We have teething problems because some are still holding on to the past, in hope that 'stargates' and 'looking glass' do exist.

If they did exist, what good would it do you?!

As Bill told Roman, if you want proof, this is not the place. How can one prove something that just does not exist? Actually, how can you talk about things you do not 'know' about...it was all hearsay!

We have to investigate minutely and thoroughly to find the truth – and not just keep putting plasters on a festering wound.

Too many people here pretend to be positive and so hold the moral high-ground. If they were truly confident, they would be happy in their confidence..but they are only covering their own fear. They want to believe!

This forum is alive...but will not be totally well, until we show some respect for finding the truth - at all levels.
I believe we have a sparkling array of minds here – we just need to...be the cavalry!

We can only start from now.
The past is dead.

The future looks bright.

[Arrowwind]

If Avelon is dying please invite me to the wake. It should be a spectacular party considering all the people who love this place and visit daily and bring their great insights to life

[starsha]

Perhaps what it comes down to is that we each need to investigate for ourselves ... what it is that you want?

I mean really ... what do you want? And if you find that, will it satisfy you completely? really?

Sometimes the best answers are in the questions themselves.

There is a tendency to turn the magnifying glass of awareness 'out there' and scrutinize what the problems are with 'them' ... which (IMO) 9 times out of 10 is an avoidance to dealing with your own unhappiness. The only one who can empower you, is you.

[Tony]

It need not die, if we concentrate on what is going on, on the ground.

Tuesday 7th Feb. 2012 from the INDEPENDENT.
Leading neuroscientists believe that the UK Government may be about to sanction the development of nerve agents for British police that would be banned in warfare under an international treaty on chemical weapons.

A high-level group of experts has asked the Government to clarify its position on whether it intends to develop "incapacitating chemical agents" for a range of domestic uses that go beyond the limited use of chemical irritants such as CS gas for riot control.

The experts were commissioned by the Royal Society, the UK's national academy of sciences, to investigate new developments in neuroscience that could be of use to the military. They concluded that the Government may be preparing to exploit a loophole in the Chemical Weapons Convention allowing the use of incapacitating chemical agents for domestic law enforcement.

The 1993 convention bans the development, stockpiling and use of nerve agents and other toxic chemicals by the military but there is an exemption for certain chemical agents that could be used for "peaceful" domestic purposes such as policing and riot control.

The British Government has traditionally taken the view that only a relatively mild class of irritant chemical agents that affect the eyes and respiratory tissues, such as CS gas, are exempt from the treaty, and then only strictly for use in riot control.

But the Royal Society working group says the Government shifted its position to allow the development of more severe chemical agents, such as the type of potentially dangerous nerve gases used by Russian security forces to end hostage sieges. "The development of incapacitating chemical agents, ostensibly for law-enforcement purposes, raises a number of concerns in the context of humanitarian and human-rights law, as well as the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC)," the report says.

"The UK Government should publish a statement on the reasons for its apparent recent shift in position on the interpretation of the CWC's law enforcement position." The Royal Society group points to a 1992 statement by Douglas Hogg, the then Foreign Office Minister, who indicated that riot-control agents were the only toxic chemicals that the UK considered to be permitted for law-enforcement purposes. But in 2009 ministers gave a less-restrictive definition suggesting the use of "incapacitating" chemical agents would be permitted for law-enforcement purposes as long as they were in the categories and quantities consistent with that permitted purpose.

Professor Rod Flower, a biochemical pharmacologist at Queen Mary University of London, said the latest scientific insights into human brain is leading to novel ways of degrading human performance using chemicals.

[Corncrake]

I find Avalon goes in cycles and this of course depends on what your particular area of interest is. Recently I have found much to interest me - in fact too much! I just do not have the time I would like to spend here and the threads go around so quickly I sometimes miss a good one unless it gets bumped. Then there are a lot of videos posted many of which I want to watch but they are time consuming. Then there are some of the posts under 'Spirituality' - really important but requiring a lot of concentration! There is no way around this - one just has to be very selective. No, Avalon is definitely not dying.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Professor Rod Flower, a biochemical pharmacologist at Queen Mary University of London, said the latest scientific insights into human brain is leading to novel ways of degrading human performance using chemicals.

They have already implemented such chemical warfare on the population. The chemical is called Aspertame. Before that it was hydrogenated fats. You dont really need a fancy chemical to depete the brain to degrade performance on a multiple of levels. Just keep feeding the kids the way that they do.

[Cidersomerset]

I have gone back to work today after 10 days holiday, which was just using up days left, I intended to get some work done
around the house and do some spring cleaning etc......

All that went out the window as the cold weather did not put me in the cleaning 'mode' ....I have got some more time off
in April I'll have another go then ...LOL.....I spent far to much time on the forum and still only participated in a small
portion of the threads going on......This is a buzzing 24hrs meeting place, and several times I found myself engrossed
untill 4-5am in the morning GMT......

What you put in and get out is a personal thing and is different for everyone but the 'higher vibrations' are deffinately here imho..

There is still negativity and as Charles said his job is to bring down forums like this and I'm sure he and others
are still trying !!! so as I said on a recent thread, be polite , weary and back off, of people with deliberate negative comments...
Sit back and evaluate, before replying !!! I don't mean be scared to debate, just be aware that if someone is being provocotive
they my be trying to stir you up ( not always )......I have noticed more of these incidents recently ,and crossed 'keyboards with a couple'...

But all in all I had a great break thanks to my friends on Avalon........Steve

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Posted by fox.mulder (here)

Posted by Project_Buggy_Beach (here)
OK I sympathize with you Peace but yeah bad title, the form is alive but I attended Awake And Aware 2011 in LA and was disappointed, I had to drink copious cups of cheap coffee to stay awake and eventually that didn't work and so I did the head nod often. I want more solid proof, show us a video taped tour of the inside of a nuts and bolts craft, take us inside the looking glass room, take us to a jump room with a video camera in Australia and jump us to Mars, there are real things that could be show to us. I believe many of the issues are many of these craft and beings can vibrate in the non physical spectrum of light, so everyone its limited to what can be shown. Another thing if you ever see a real UFO and you happen to be lucky enough to have your 1080I camcorder with you, the understanding of how hard it is to capture a moving object in the expanse of the sky becomes really obvious.

I'm with you I don't want another blurry picture of a gray playing hide and seek at the window, so tired of that scene...

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Maybe all these things don't actually exist. You see PA is just another paradigm. You accept these things as "truth" without actually personally observing them. It's no different from any other religious cult. Most people when they have their current paradigm challenged they get defensive....and this is the catalyst for all the negative posts that such a challenger will receive.

@PEACE ...... Good luck with the pursuit of realistic and credible information. All you will get will be the "defenders of the faith" finding reasons to defend the lack of information. Even the latest post by Bill Ryan in regard to his previous lives and I quote ,

"I have a clear recall of many lifetimes (some of which go way back) -- including a great deal of information about my lives from 1850-1901 and 1902-1924. "

...is just more of the same stuff. If this man actually has clear memories then give us something....anything......not just the story.

What doesnt help is when you put pressure onto someone who has made some statement to get them to validate their claims, you get painted in a negative light (such as what is happening to you in this thread) and the fascist moderators that PA has end up banning you and then you have no recourse to discuss your position. It's all very much like the so called "PTB" that this forum is often fighting against. This is called irony. Alot of americans dont get ironic humour i dont know why that is.

Good luck with it all. For me this forum is unimportant now because specifically of the same reason of the theme of this thread. It has pockets of interest here and there but nothing of substance.

FM

Good point, but we must then also say all of the spirituality that the group takes for granted may not exist, show me hard physical evidence of a past life. (Really difficult to do, even if you can describe details of a life and then pin it all to photographs and correct locations with details, how do you know you are not being used by a being that has advanced telepathic abilities trying to convince you of past lives just so your more sedate while you live this one?)

[Fundy Gemini]

I haven't gone all the way back to read every post - but- speaking for myself, I drop in on Avalon periodically (like a nice get-away vacation) then eventually have to get back to life as it is.

So the question is why come here at all?
For myself I initially came looking for some hope.

Most of us here are well aware at this point, that all is not well in the garden. Trying to find hope and/or meaningful answers in the mainstream yields little results. Yes, many wonderful people are trying to do their best within the confines of the system we are living in - but we here know that that system (matrix) itself is the problem!

As we seek alternatives, we find other seekers and follow our instincts like moths towards the light (of truth) and eventually find each other.

Sometimes there is news, sometimes there is debate, sometimes conflict - but always - there is the commonality of the journey that brought us here - we seek truth, and our paths have led here. So in my opinion, Avalon is a harbour in a storm - and while at times the banquet is great - and other times sparse - it is always a harbour, and therefore important.

.feeling a bit sappy. sorry

[BlueX]

Avalon feels like a safe place to just do some "thinking out loud".
The kind of stuff that gets you very disrespectful comments in
other forums.
The things people talk about here can not always be proven in
scientific terms.
Before mankind discovered the atom, was the atom there?
Only because we did not have enough scientific evidence, does
not mean it did not exist already. We were just too stupid to
produce science that could explain it and make it visible.

Avalon has topics that are on the edge to science fiction as
most people would call it. I don't mind people talking about
their dreams and past lives or feelings they get.
But i do mind if people tell me lies or want my money.
If someone is being interviewed as a person that tells a
story with science fiction elements, i want the proofable
part of the story to be true.
If someone lies in small details, i don't believe him/her any more
and i would hope the others here wouldn't either.

Example: If a person that is being interviewed for their
Alien encounter and they say they are a doctor, in reality they
are not, i won't believe their story. it doesn't even matter how
good their intentions are.

If someone is sincere, they do not need to lie.

Have you ever wondered what it would feel like to be this
one person that experienced something incredible and you
have a great message to tell - but nobody believes you?
What a nightmare.

[Tony]

Every day, I leave Avalon.
“That's it!”
Every morning at the end of sitting meditation ... ah!
And I join again.

OK, so what is it today? Well, I'm sure by now you have all heard the word consciousness and the word enlightenment. So you are aware this hysteria we live in is all about consciousness, your consciousness, and that someone wants to control it rather badly....and I mean badly.

We only know about consciousness and enlightenment because of the ancient masters, male and female, and their teachings These teachings go back at least 5000 years, in some form or other.

Many masters and students achieved what is called the rainbow body = enlightenment, without the information about star-gates, jump rooms Ets and the rest. These 'things' are absolutely of no importance, to consciousness and enlightenment.

In fact most beings attain enlightenment because they are away from any distraction, solitude. So anyone who keeps stirring up notions of these fanciful 'things' is really a disservice to humanity.

But what is of paramount importance is the suffering that humans are experiencing, here on the ground, by the corporate world and our own stupidity.

The problem.
Our hero-information-warriors AND the corporate-warriors both have a little information about these ancient teachings and use them to acquire power and status. Have you heard the expression, “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely?” So it is quite easy to sound as if you 'know' to those who don't know. It's like seeing a painting or hearing music, to the uninitiated it is magic, to a professional, it's a living.

Don't be so easily taken in, it is your consciousness that is at stake.

The hallmark of telling the truth, is that the truth teller care more about you, than themselves, it is called unconditional compassion.


Tony

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I dont quite remember who said this but i like it.(probably some book or interview)

"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence",

this will be true untill its not in any given case.

Nice oneliner.

[Tony]

If there is someone you regard as a teacher, a bringer of information, knowledge or wisdom..test them, and test them. They should be telling you something you already know deep within, it just has to be refined.

How long are you going to wait, to find out what is not there. 'Things' only have the illusion of reality...they are real illusions! 'Things and time' only relate to your body, give up only relating to your physical body. It will die anywhere...London, California....Vilcabamba.. .anywhere!

[kcbc2010]

Posted by sygh (here)
We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the kinds of knowledge we have to look forward to learning! For instance, something has been haunting me about President Obama, I just couldn't put my finger on it. Sure, he went to Pennsylvania prior to taking the oath for President. OK, Ok, well that just might be along the lines of masons smoozing amongst one another for jobs. OK he's a Mason adn not all masons are bad. Still, I was haunted.

Then, like a flash of insight (and before I listened to Kay Griggs) it hit me... President Obama was raised to be the President, I mean literally he was raised from a child to BE the President of the United States. And he probably wasn't the only kid being preened for it. I don't have any proof yet... just an undeniable gut feeling that what I stumbled upon is most correct. We shall see if I can find any info on that.

Avalon.

If memory serves me correctly, Rense posted something to that effect a few years ago and Henry Makow "Savethemales.ca" I think did a piece as well. I was taken aback when I read some of the information they presented, but in the end, my gut feeling has always been "something's not right about this guy(Obama)." I remember reading the articles more than I remember where they were from. Sorry, I can't be more specific.

[DeDukshyn]

While a part of me agrees with your sentiment (of the OP) the other parts says that only exploring "truths" and "facts" are exactly what the elite want -- because that won't expand consciousness - and they want sheeple - not expanded consciousness.

"Alright everyone ... back to university for learning the "truth" and "facts" that are already proven ... nothing to see here .. move along, move along ..."

[DeDukshyn]

Also, I like the title ... sounds as though Atticus has crafted that himself for his own reasons ... I hadn't noticed that Avalon was dying; I see all sorts of new and fascinating members and new and fascinating discussions. I also believe that you perceive that which is of like to the mind. (this is the layman's psychological and scientific translation of "you perceive that with which you resonate" -- allow me to explain: ever bought white honda civic and suddenly its the most popular car on the road, even when you have never noticed any previous? That's what "perceiving that which you resonate with" means. Just because one doesn't understand something or no how to interpret it does not make it "wrong" or "unworthy"

[Ammit]

I actually think that the pc site has lost a lot of its shine, information and friendliness since a lot of depatures happened. For what ever reasons the site has lost a wealth of information that will unless similar people join the site, it will fail or fall hopelessly into the realms as the lesser sites did and do.

Information only comes from knowledge and I feel we have lost a lot of it.

Ammit

[kcbc2010]

Dying, no. Changing, yes. Forums change depending on who's contributing. Evidence isn't always easy to come by with some of these topics. However, it's easy to be skeptical when one or two people say something. It's a lot harder when there's a crowd and you can't keep saying to yourself "that X is just a kook who lives on the middle of nowhere who really has nothing better to do with his time than to make up crazy stuff like that." Sometimes it's the quality of information/data, not the quantity, that matters.

I've been reading a lot about archeology lately and it's so interesting to me how this branch of science has a mission of dating/discovering our history, yet they are uncomfortable w/being challenged by other scientists who use astronomy and carbon dating to prove that these "academics" are spreading inaccurate information as fact.

PA. like others have said, is an oasis. A refuge. A place where these ideas and thoughts are the norm. A place where people like and (for the most part) respect what Ron Paul is trying to accomplish. In my world, neo-cons rule and I do what I can to change people's mind (in a non-zealot way) to realize that their positions towards Iran and other issues aren't helpful and don't advance anything. Being fair and equally judgmental of both political parties has won me few friends, but at least, I can live w/myself at the end of the day. It also saps a lot of my energy, so it's nice to come here for a recharge. However, if my words can change someone's mind and make them think about how their positions might kill a lot of innocent people, then I've done something productive w/my time on this planet. It's become almost a "mission" for me to do this work in my circle of influence because I'm sick of watching incredibly smart people (on both sides) be duped into believing the propaganda like I once did. Neither political party is going to save us or avenge the wrongs that have been done in society and too many people believe that force is acceptable to "make people believe" what they believe. That seems awfully one-sided to me.

The funny thing is that last week someone tried to disparage me by saying that I was closed-minded. If they only knew...lol. Coming to PA has made me a better person (and I want to be a better person still) and isn't that what we all want on our journey???? To be with like-minded people, as we learn what we need to learn, on our journey........

Anyway, PA will only die if we let it die. I'm rambling now, but PA means a lot to people even if they don't come here every day or contribute. Contributing doesn't mean that people have to post everyday to prove that they are out there; learning, growing, and sharing this information in some way or another. Night everyone.

[mahalall]

I've just recieved a channeled message (sorry to say because i know it sounds crazy but trust me) from the health minister of Avalon.

We are being asked to undertake this piece of research to discover the health status of truth ! within this community.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UwyIM2koL3g

Now, to discover your truth health status:
a) did you only see a dot on the screen?
b) did you see a dot that turned into a black and white rainbow?
c) did you see a dot that turned into a black and white rainbow that turned into a colourful rainbow?
d) did you see just perception?
e) did you realise it's all the same view: truth or no truth it's the individual insight that counts with a shared experience.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Ammit (here)
I actually think that the pc site has lost a lot of its shine, information and friendliness since a lot of depatures happened. For what ever reasons the site has lost a wealth of information that will unless similar people join the site, it will fail or fall hopelessly into the realms as the lesser sites did and do.

Information only comes from knowledge and I feel we have lost a lot of it.

Ammit

Information equally comes from experience and perception ... the difference is that information from knowledge is readily transferable, information from experience and perception is not - it is personal.

Here's a good example: Society in general, academia, science, etc. have no tolerance for things like bigfoot, paranormal, ufos, aliens, psychics, channeling, dejavu, conscious creation, even intuition is brushed off. Why? because there is no evidence or information that can be "transferred" (scientific theory) on those topics. However, if you question the brightest minds in all of those areas they all leave room for and often even entertain (off the record of course - they will never speak on these things publicly), these concepts. These are the most educated and brightest minds, surely they "know" better? You would think that the more educated you are, the less you would believe in these things. And, it would be true only if the only knowledge that existed was transferable knowledge. This is not the case at all. Just like in the "job hunting" world .. being book smart is one thing, but first hand (personal) knowledge cannot be taught, and is usually more valuable. My 2 cents.