Why not one clear channeler? Why 50>100+?

[gooty64]

This is a really simple discussion.

Why are there so many channels and channelers?

Why not one clear channel?

***I have another question/finding!***

Why are 90% of the messages 1500-2000 words in length?

Why not a short concise paragraph with something profound and a clear plan for action?

Why 2000 words, like in the length of a sermon?

[noprophet]

Ego interferes with channeling. Playing a note on fifty instruments all slightly distorting it is more apt to be recognized than a single distorted instrument.

[Anchor]

There are clearer channels. The problem is that even the clearest of them has some measure of distortion at the hands of our human imperfections.

That is why if you are interested in channeled material, you have to be very discerning. If it sounds wrong to you, don't be afraid to let it go. If it sounds right - dont just accept it - test it. Use it as food for thought, and triangulate it. Come back to it later, review it, does it still make sense?

You are responsible for what you accept as truth - and that is serious business.

Imagine if an 100% clear channel or "oracle" truly existed?

It would be like a cheat code in a game.

All the hands in the game of poker would be known - the game would loose its value.

Look inwards - if you want the clearest most undistorted path, look inwards and see yourself first. Deep down you know how you are so its a free test and safe. Then if you can do that, you may find you don't need anything else.

[Mulder]

I don't regard any channelled information with much importance. It all seems strange unusual to me. Especially people seeing the Virgin Mary - this is a strange entity to channel in my opinion.

[Cidersomerset]

Good question Gooty64 .......I don't listen to any direct channels...........But as with everything, especially at this time we have to keep
an open mind...... and i remembered a David Icke clip about one of his early experiances,with a channaller... we have to be carefull not
'throw the baby out with the bathwater ' because of some dodgy channels or 'blackops or negative ET' channels....imho


thought provoking....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zEy-Z6ssCa4

PS...I should say I listen to a lot of the Ion material although he/she insists it is not a channel
but a enviroment ! though it does use JW's voice as a conduite over the radio ?????

[Maia Gabrial]

It could be that channeled messages were only meant for the supposed channelers to contemplate and understand. Channelers mean well by sharing the messages with others, but most people will take everything literally..... Take for instance the humorous way the scout ships were referred to as "limosines".... People really expected limos to show up. And what about the "golden tickets"? Tickets weren't REALLY given out. It was used to refer to the event as a golden opportunity, a chance of a lifetime....

As James Gilliland stated recently on ECETI, when you have pure intentions, love and a desire for harmony with everyone and Gaia, your vibrations will attract higher vibrational ET's to you. Isn't that wonderful? They'll communicate with you personally. No need for channelers....Because you've opened the doorway, they'll visit you in response to your loving frequencies! No doubt about it, you'll get your ride on their motherships, without the media circuses and disappointments....I can't imagine what kind of preparations it would take to take us to higher dimensions in our 3D bodies.... I have learned that if they feel that your consciousness won't be able to handle the experiences, your memories will be suppressed for a time. Only bits and pieces will come to you when you can handle them.... Remember that most people don't see ET's or their crafts in the skies because they're not ready for that kind of experience....

I believe in my heart that instead of looking to someone else, trust yourselves to be the clearest channel for them to speak to you personally....
If you're getting messages or visitations from them, take it to mean that you have the right vibes....


My suggestion is to trust yourselves....

[blufire]

Why have channelers at all? Why can't 'they' speak for themselves?

[gooty64]

Why all the sugary sermon like words?

Why 2000 words of cotton candy that we already know?

Why do they assume we are SO needy?

[noprophet]

Maybe the neediness is a side-effect of the channel personality type. Maybe they have a strong attraction towards emotional energies and this quality is in fact what allows the 'channel' energy to enter them more easily than others.

Who knows - it's worth exploring.

From Blavatsky, the Seth material to Abraham Hicks to Salulusa, the GFL tidal wave - all these things. I don't think it's all going to fit into one little package, conveniently pursed, to either shelf or discard though.

Rather than waiting for some one to tell us what it is - how about we start theorizing?

Is a portion AI using a synthetic form of a communication channel that is already there? Is there an entire spectrum of radio waves and channels and communications from all sorts of sources going on right under our nose and we're just picking at the edges of it?

Where is thought on the electromagnetic spectrum? Emotion?

These are the things I'm playing with right now - trying to get a better picture of things. I'd be happy for help with any of it

[Anchor]

Posted by blufire (here)
Why have channelers at all? Why can't 'they' speak for themselves?

To honour our freewill. Clues are given, not proof.

To give proof with no room for errors of interpretation error would be an infringement on freewill.

Sounds like a game doesn't it? Yes it is.

Sounds ripe for abuse doesn't it? Yes it is.

Does it therefore lack all value? No.

The reason is, because we all have the ability to discern, and choose to accept or reject the messages.

In this manner freewill is preserved.

[stardustaquarion]

I have a quirky theory about this. We all have the ability to communicate with the morphogenetic field and information is readily available for all of us. Traditionally that has been called intuition or inspiration

With the advent of the "new age" and people like Andrija Puharich, those that had some talent were spoiled with attention. Think Uri Geller. At the back of that there was an upsurge of attention seekers and sharp money spinners that appeared on stage auto denominating themselves as channelers. Rarely "real" physchic phenomena has been demostrates. Very few are those like Uri Gueller with psychokinetic abilities or other paranormal attributes

Therefore, IMHO most of the channeler are faked money spinners that saw the opportunity to make a buck at the expense of the need and credulity of their followes. Peope like J Z Knight who channel Ramtha has been accused by her followers as "making it as she goes alone" and "relieving them from their money". There are many cases like this including the infamous, now deceased Elisabeth Clare Prophet who also was accused of fraud and encourage her followers to even sell their homes. The list is long

None of them have been accurate on their prophecies to my knowledge but once the people are hooked is difficult to let go, it becomes a way of life

WIth the advent of the internet channeling exploded and it is even more difficult to find anything that is of the slightest value. Being a channeler is big business. Not all make a fortune but most of them certainly make a living

Why is this happening? IMHO I think it is because life has become soo difficult that people are desperate for answers and seeking those answers outside the normal places. Most people do not know what to do and hence anything that brings them hope and suggest the possibility of a better life here or elsewhere is welcome

Most people get tired of the lies in due course but there are some that get seriously hooked like with the case of Heavens Gate

Bottom line is, the channelers have brought nothing new. Even Ashayana Deane has plagiarized right, left and centre from the gnostics and other ancient texts from the celts and other mystical cultures like Induism, buddhism and Taoism. A lot of complex data that is given to the followers in a format similar to the used to brainwash people

Lots of channelers have claimed that we have ascended (yeah right!). Lots that the end is soon but soon never comes. The most obvious failure of our times have been the failer rapture last year and Blossom Goodchild that allegedly was let down by the GLF on a NO SHOW event in October 2008. For some reason channelers like Octobers to anounce ET appearances that never happen. Me thinking perhaps is because in ancient times the day of the ancestors was celebrated and there are still imprints in the morphogenetic field

Who is to blame? The channelers as attention seekers or the followers thirsty for easy solutions? Duno, is difficult to say...

All indicates that we have lost the ability to seek council within ourselves and to have critical thinking. This make us vulnerable to unescrupulous con merchants prepared to do anything for a buck

[gooty64]

those that had some talent were spoiled with attention.

an upsurge of attention seekers and sharp money spinners that appeared

stardustaquarian, just these 2 points you made brought two visions/faces clearly into my minds eye- Greg Giles and Blossom Goodchild- both seem really sincere but, I do think they get addicted to the attention. Look at their fabulous "glamour shots" with all the hair dye and make-up-this creates an image to live up to.

And then the channelings become daily or weekly like Dear Abby column or something.

And then the next is: the channelers don't want to let down or disappoint their followers/readers/fans. So they keep cranking out the messages for their fans sake.

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by gooty64 (here)

those that had some talent were spoiled with attention.

an upsurge of attention seekers and sharp money spinners that appeared

stardustaquarian, just these 2 points you made brought two visions/faces clearly into my minds eye- Greg Giles and Blossom Goodchild- both seem really sincere but, I do think they get addicted to the attention. Look at their fabulous "glamour shots" with all the hair dye and make-up-this creates an image to live up to.

And then the channelings become daily or weekly like Dear Abby column or something.

And then the next is: the channelers don't want to let down or disappoint their followers/readers/fans. So they keep cranking out the messages for their fans sake.

Anything is possible Gooty, specially if the person is a loner or is insecure. But be in no doubt that the heavy weights care nothing about their followers and are in for the cash

All the best :D

[christian]

The awakening is a collective thing. One clear channel is akin to one saviour, this is not what is planned this time, I heard. We are all still working on our discernment collectively & individually, this is true also for those who do channelings.

forget your perfect offering
there is a crack in everything

The important messages for this time can be communicated very succinctly, but to get the meaning across it's reasonable to be flexible with words. There was a short period in my life, where I read a lot of channelings and appreciated them a lot, now I read virtually none of those, that come out every other day. But there's some evergreen channeled literature, I find, the "Handbook for the New Paradigm", "Course in Miracles", "Divine Iliad", "Spiritual Laws and Lessons of the Universe" and many more.

Whatever...

[gooty64]

The awakening is a collective thing. One clear channel is akin to one saviour, this is not what is planned this time, I heard. We are all still working on our discernment collectively & individually, this is true also for those who do channelings.

OK Chiquetet, I will rephase/tweak the question for you a bit.

"Why not 3 half-way decent channelers with practical solutions and minimal interference in our free-will learning curve?"

[christian]

Posted by gooty64 (here)
"Why not 3 half-way decent channelers with practical solutions and minimal interference in our free-will learning curve?"

How could one prevent 'not decent' people from doing channelings? I think so many people training to be perceptive in this manner even helps in the collective learning and discernment process, let everbody give their best shot.

I guess there are way more than 3 half-way decent channelers out there, just by the books I mentioned I count 4 Suggestions for practical solutions are all over the place. It's not about getting the 'perfect' message from 'the anointed ones', but to discern everything, the responsibility is with every individual.

[gooty64]

OK, I can't argue with that!

Hmmmmm.....now what to do?

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by gooty64 (here)
"Why not 3 half-way decent channelers with practical solutions and minimal interference in our free-will learning curve?"

How could one prevent 'not decent' people from doing channelings? I think so many people training to be perceptive in this manner even helps in the collective learning and discernment process, let everbody give their best shot.

I guess there are way more than 3 half-way decent channelers out there, just by the books I mentioned I count 4 Suggestions for practical solutions are all over the place. It's not about getting the 'perfect' message from 'the anointed ones', but to discern everything, the responsibility is with every individual.

[christian]

Posted by gooty64 (here)
Hmmmmm.....now what to do?

It's up to you.

[kersley]

I have been thinking about this for many weeks now, and with all due respect I have come to the conclusion that there isn't much difference between those who channel and people with schizophrenia.
Please allow me to voice my opinion without being judged as this is simply my opinion. I would like to tell you a little story about my nephew who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He told me many stories which I found difficult to understand, for example, whilst I was present in the room he would sometimes be sitting in a chair half asleep talking out loud, saying that he could hear voices and he was completely convinced that he had contact with off world entities who would tell him amazing things which I was unable to relate to.
I struggle to see the difference between people who say they receive information through channeling and my nephew. Only he could hear these voices inside his head yet we would both be in the same room. It is my understanding that only the person who is channeling has access to these entities and that they alone hear the voices and receive the information, so what is the differences between them and my nephew? So basically if my nephew told me that he was going to be picked up by aliens on a specific date, am I to believe him? because to him it is very real, Is this what I am putting my trust in? I welcome your opinions

[christian]

Posted by kersley (here)
It is my understanding that only the person who is channeling has access to these entities and that they alone hear the voices and receive the information, so what is the differences between them and my nephew?

Where those voices in your nephews head actually came from, I have no idea, but I do believe, that he heard them and that those voices really told him they were off planet. But wise entities are gentle with a potential channeler, what use would it be for them, if the channeler cannot cope with life because he would be mentally so unstable, that he would be diagnosed with schizophrenia and probably put on medication.