Why not one clear channeler? Why 50>100+?

[EnergyGardener]

Posted by kersley (here)
I have been thinking about this for many weeks now, and with all due respect I have come to the conclusion that there isn't much difference between those who channel and people with schizophrenia.
Please allow me to voice my opinion without being judged as this is simply my opinion. I would like to tell you a little story about my nephew who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He told me many stories which I found difficult to understand, for example, whilst I was present in the room he would sometimes be sitting in a chair half asleep talking out loud, saying that he could hear voices and he was completely convinced that he had contact with off world entities who would tell him amazing things which I was unable to relate to.
I struggle to see the difference between people who say they receive information through channeling and my nephew. Only he could hear these voices inside his head yet we would both be in the same room. It is my understanding that only the person who is channeling has access to these entities and that they alone hear the voices and receive the information, so what is the differences between them and my nephew? So basically if my nephew told me that he was going to be picked up by aliens on a specific date, am I to believe him? because to him it is very real, Is this what I am putting my trust in? I welcome your opinions

kersley,

Keep us posted on what your nephew reports; he might be helpful.

[CdnSirian]

We get it how we get it. As for schizophrenia - we can filter out many dimensions of info or we can't.

[Anchor]

Posted by kersley (here)
I welcome your opinions

Schizophrenia is a handy label that can be applied to channellers for those with an agenda to deny such possibilities. I am not saying this is what you are doing, but I am sure it happens.

Such labelling does two things that on the surface are quite handy for a wide range of people (except the poor "patient" who is experiencing this):

1) It explains it neatly, thus avoiding the need to confront the reality of spiritual phenomena
2) It acts to polarize opinion toward the schizophrenic
3) It takes them out the game because no-one will take a nut-job seriously
4) It provides a good excuse to "treat" them and nail their spiritual potential with strong drugs and therapies.
5) Big pharma loves it.

A fine line then is walked for people in this predicament... Are they really schizophrenic? Or are they experiencing some kind of spiritual phenomena - that without proper care and guidance seems like a mental disorder (or in times past perhaps possessed by demons!)

You are not saying if you agree with the diagnosis in this case or not. So lets just be hypothetical. If I had a child that had been diagnosed with mental disorders, before consenting to any treatment - you can be sure I would have sought out the best guidance available from the alternative medical world and the wisest spiritual guidance I could find - and I would look damned hard - sparing no effort. If it turned out that it was that there was a nascent mediumistic ability, then there are a number or practises and disciplines that can be used to take control of the situation. If it turned out that there were genuine mental distortions - I would try anything to treat those using alternative approaches before allowing big-pharma a chance or some "professional" institution.

[ljwheat]

Why are there so many channels? depends were one hangs out. There is only one place channelers have an out let to show there wears.

Hang out in a bar your going to hear all about someone’s internal affairs that only apply to the person who’s talking to a bottle of gin.

Show up to a Star wars convention and you’ll be expected to breath funny and wear black or white/republic/federation.

When the student is ready, the teachers are now going to knock you doors off there hinges.

When a new market opens up. All sorts of peddlers will move in to show there wears.

Logging into a virtual on line philosophical data base of venders setting up shops in what ever tickles you fancy, or life style. This flee market offers everything under the sun.

The length of a message usually compensates for the lack of something?/usually/allot! And its never open for discussion/believe it/or throw it in the trash.

Short concise paragraph; “Gooty lest go out and get that car I promised you yesterday, get your shoes on lets go.” -- (I’m responsible to you now) Dear ones of planet earth the car is almost ready for you to pick up at the dealer, please wait, while we work for you behind the stage, to make sure everything is exactly the way we have been working so hard to make happen, when we are able to walk with in a safe manner. Channeler is off the hook-- (not responsible to anyone.)

2000 words sermon, is meant to bring you back for more updates that will follow, because you cant possibly retain all that’s been regurgitated to you at this time. Just another carrot on a invisible chain.

If I lived in a third world country, no power, no running water, and lived within the bounds of nature. I guess I would have to get my answers directly for source. Me.

Eavesdropping on a message, only meant for the channeler, wouldn’t we all get the message if it were the case, if they can read all our thoughts. Even I know how to build a two way radio, and there’s only works one way. They can pick up and not send? So who’s more advanced?

Free will? Since birth I’ve had skin cut off me so I can be Christian, kidnapped and sent to public mass brain washing mind control. Force to work in civilization prison planet or die. Free will?

And that’s only IMO. JohnXX

[eileenrose]

I've looked for myself into the channelings and found them ripe with issues. What they say, currently, is way off....Ascension for instance.
That is another idea. Which most people just swallow hole because it offers another escape.
Eventually people will recognize that channelers are only good for two things (which they are failing to appreciate), helping with illness and helping
with social issues. Old fashion shamans have it right.
But right now it is difficult to even have a normal conversation with someone already invested in it.
Just have to wait till they have realize the truth all on their own (may take a lifetime or two).
eileen

[Anchor]

Posted by eileenrose (here)
What they say, currently, is way off....Ascension for instance.

By "they" do you refer to GFL, or all channels?

[eileenrose]

Hi Anchor,
The channelings that are not accurate are the ones focused on ascension.
As 'ascension' doesn't even exist, as a concept or an actuality.
Now if someone comes along and has some sort of proof (anything), I will obviously read it and be able to discern it.
Otherwise, my reading all the channelings I could find for the past 4 years is my 'work experience'.

I am just saying what is real and what isn't.
Now what is real is what they've been talking about for eons, that is working with a master (if you are lucky...I am) and
then have a awakening experience and then so on. These events occur. It did to me. It can happen to you.
Since this thread isn't about awakening experiences or how far down that path people are capable (usually it is willing) to go, that is all I will say.

brief, to the point

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by kersley (here)
I have been thinking about this for many weeks now, and with all due respect I have come to the conclusion that there isn't much difference between those who channel and people with schizophrenia.
Please allow me to voice my opinion without being judged as this is simply my opinion. I would like to tell you a little story about my nephew who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He told me many stories which I found difficult to understand, for example, whilst I was present in the room he would sometimes be sitting in a chair half asleep talking out loud, saying that he could hear voices and he was completely convinced that he had contact with off world entities who would tell him amazing things which I was unable to relate to.
I struggle to see the difference between people who say they receive information through channeling and my nephew. Only he could hear these voices inside his head yet we would both be in the same room. It is my understanding that only the person who is channeling has access to these entities and that they alone hear the voices and receive the information, so what is the differences between them and my nephew? So basically if my nephew told me that he was going to be picked up by aliens on a specific date, am I to believe him? because to him it is very real, Is this what I am putting my trust in? I welcome your opinions

Very interesting Kersley. My personal experience and the sharing with many other people has lead me to the conclussion that real, honest channel is not normally related to "voices". Channeling is "intuition" and "inspiration". Normally you get information that you did not know and that is relevant to your current situation, as the days passes, events that comfirm what you picked up from the morphogenetic field become apparent

We all have the ability to access the web of life, all that is required is equanimity, focus and practice. It is like developing a relationship with a friend that lives under different rules than you. Information will only be given to you if it is for your higher good otherwise there is silence. This is the famous six sense and we all have it

Hearing voices is more related to inner conversations, it can be schizoprenia or it can be the normal unwinding of the personality. Also some creative people sometimes has the habit to have inner conversations and equaly others will have those conversations with paper as in writting what is happening to them

Of course there can be other explanations but these are my humble conclusions after several years of examining the phenomena from many angles

Cheers

[stardustaquarion]

Historicaly, the ascension memme comes from the zaddikites http://www.metahistory.org/Lexicon/lexicon_Z.php If you search the internet for "melchizedek" you will find a lot of information on this memme

The bottom line nevertheless is that there is no historical record of anyone ever ascending in this planet. The Bible has now been moved to a non historical book. There is a very interesting book by Hector Avalos " How Archeology Killed Biblical History" and here ther is a presentation he did highlighting some of the issues found by the archeologers https://youtube.com/watch?v=BP5Ld...ure=plpp_video

Ascension is a tricky concept which imply "going to another world with one's phisical body". Also is used to indicate "ascending" from one level of consciousness to another regardless of the destiny of the physical body. Mostly it preys on the natural fear of death that we humans have and the lack of guidance on what might happen after death IMHO

[Anchor]

Posted by eileenrose (here)
Hi Anchor,
The channelings that are not accurate are the ones focused on ascension.
As 'ascension' doesn't even exist, as a concept or an actuality.
Now if someone comes along and has some sort of proof (anything), I will obviously read it and be able to discern it.
Otherwise, my reading all the channelings I could find for the past 4 years is my 'work experience'.

I am just saying what is real and what isn't.
Now what is real is what they've been talking about for eons, that is working with a master (if you are lucky...I am) and
then have a awakening experience and then so on. These events occur. It did to me. It can happen to you.
Since this thread isn't about awakening experiences or how far down that path people are capable (usually it is willing) to go, that is all I will say.

brief, to the point

Thanks for clarifying. I thought that is what you might have meant, but I wasn't sure.

I concur with your comments about ascension.

John..

[kersley]

More about my nephew..
Many nights we would be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of car horns. As I looked out the window to see what all the noise was about, I'd see my nephew in the middle of the road.
In a panic I would run out and call to him to get out of the road. Freaking out I would ask him what did he think he was doing? He basically thought he was superman and any car would just bounce off him.
He often spoke about his grand father(my father) he somehow was still in touch with him. He was told by my father that he had to take care of all his paperwork,
The problem was, my father had passed away 13 years prior..

What I am trying to say is that some of the information he had said he had received was completely irrational and sometimes proved to be both dangerous to him and others. A lot of his outburst would be based on past memories and at times he would behave as though the present was ten years ago. How could I accept that some of the information he was receiving was true when others were blatantly untrue and worse still made life very difficult for him.

This all started when he started to smoke marijuana very heavily I know of a few others were schizophrenia was diagnosed after taking marijuana for a prolonged time. Maybe it triggers something in the person that has been laying dormant all along? Haven taken care of my nephew for many years I witnessed his many episodes first hand and struggle to see how they were of benefit to him.

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by kersley (here)
More about my nephew..
Many nights we would be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of car horns. As I looked out the window to see what all the noise was about, I'd see my nephew in the middle of the road.
In a panic I would run out and call to him to get out of the road. Freaking out I would ask him what did he think he was doing? He basically thought he was superman and any car would just bounce off him.
He often spoke about his grand father(my father) he somehow was still in touch with him. He was told by my father that he had to take care of all his paperwork,
The problem was, my father had passed away 13 years prior..

What I am trying to say is that some of the information he had said he had received was completely irrational and sometimes proved to be both dangerous to him and others. A lot of his outburst would be based on past memories and at times he would behave as though the present was ten years ago. How could I accept that some of the information he was receiving was true when others were blatantly untrue and worse still made life very difficult for him.

This all started when he started to smoke marijuana very heavily I know of a few others were schizophrenia was diagnosed after taking marijuana for a prolonged time. Maybe it triggers something in the person that has been laying dormant all along? Haven taken care of my nephew for many years I witnessed his many episodes first hand and struggle to see how they were of benefit to him.

For what you say he might need medical assistance. Many people with psychotic tendencies started their journey with drugs. Some can take drugs and nothing happen to them, others can't take it

I would not think that in the instance you describe is channeling but it is just my oppinion

[ljwheat]

For those that need proof of ascension, short term memory may be the cause of your confusion. Clear and precise evidence exists in the Bermuda triangle, there are several location all over the world were one can vanish or ascend into another detention. Then you have the Philadelphia experiment were high power generator’s created the effect of opening a parallel shift in detentions.

The three days of total darkness is another gate way into this dimensional shift all the melchizedek’s agree on this shift as the planet wide if not the hole solar system as we move into the photon belt we are moving into the first part of 2013.

Drunvalo Melchiedek go’s into great detail on energy field of the heart spinning in one direction and the energy field of the body spinning in the opposite and how the two fields are inches apart from each other but when merged together create the Mer-Ka-Ba and when the three days of darkness occurs the VEIL in our heads will drop and our long term memory of all this knowledge of past life times and this ancient knowledge of activating the mer-ka-ba will carry us threw to the fifth detention quite easily, NWO, GFL, Religions are the one’s keeping this wisdom from the masses so they can harvest as many soul’s as they can before the jump in March of 2013.

Remote viewers, know of this but the over whelming explosion of channeling’s have drowned out the small voice of ancient wisdom of the mer-ka-ba. Over the sensationalism of ET, GFL we will do it for you hype.

Ignoring physical evidence, and listening to a chandler leading you down, what ever whim soot's them, or agenda is not the road I’m taking. Stay here and now young padawans. The future is full of story tellers.

[gooty64]

and when the three days of darkness occurs the VEIL in our heads will drop and our long term memory of all this knowledge of past life times and this ancient knowledge of activating the mer-ka-ba will carry us threw to the fifth detention quite easily

wether this timeline is literal or metaphorical-i don't know...

oh that pesky veil-that membrane-that fog......and i was getting so close...

whatever!.....someday soon we'll all be shaking hands.....even hugging.....wondering what all the fuss was about.....

until then let's make it easy on ourselves.....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0uSNKn2iWAg

[9eagle9]

Schizophreniics appear, to those looking at them from a obejctive place, actually recieving clear information but their emotional and mental filters are distorting it.

He is super man. In a certain sense. Spiritually speaking we are super people. The potential is there but the filters in the mind are distorting this information to be acted on in an inappropriate way, dangerous to hmself.

And that is true of most people regardless if they are 'officially' schizophrenic. They distort their internal information because of their filters. Schizophrenia is an extreme expression of this. We actually several somethings going on in our head that re-transates or blocks internal information .

And another example of ...Our abilities will manage us if we do not learn to manage ourselves. Mostly because of filters, get rid of the filter and these manifesations of mania will lessen.

I'm sorry for him, its a horrible internal struggle. We give them a lot to resist. Traditionally we attempt to rationalize what is going on instead of truly knowing it.

Posted by kersley (here)
More about my nephew..
Many nights we would be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of car horns. As I looked out the window to see what all the noise was about, I'd see my nephew in the middle of the road.
In a panic I would run out and call to him to get out of the road. Freaking out I would ask him what did he think he was doing? He basically thought he was superman and any car would just bounce off him.
He often spoke about his grand father(my father) he somehow was still in touch with him. He was told by my father that he had to take care of all his paperwork,
The problem was, my father had passed away 13 years prior..

What I am trying to say is that some of the information he had said he had received was completely irrational and sometimes proved to be both dangerous to him and others. A lot of his outburst would be based on past memories and at times he would behave as though the present was ten years ago. How could I accept that some of the information he was receiving was true when others were blatantly untrue and worse still made life very difficult for him.

This all started when he started to smoke marijuana very heavily I know of a few others were schizophrenia was diagnosed after taking marijuana for a prolonged time. Maybe it triggers something in the person that has been laying dormant all along? Haven taken care of my nephew for many years I witnessed his many episodes first hand and struggle to see how they were of benefit to him.

[9eagle9]

That is interesting, I noticed several years back some people just attuned to Reiki would have a phenom like that, the heart area spinning so rapidly in one direction and the energy field of the overall body beginning to spin in the opposite direction causing ones . Total energy breakdown , its like they got so ungrounded it was hard to get them to ground again, and this would go for days and weeks. The heart is discharging denser emotional crud and it would get trapped between that field and the outer field--instant dirty aura because it couldn't clear.

It wasn't until I researched as far back as I could about attunments that I found the cause of that. It always happened in people that already very sensitive. Traditionally an attunement would take place over a course of several weeks or even months. Here in the West they are given all at once, within a few minutes , prompting these extreme rises in vibration that certain people couldn't integrate or cope with.

Posted by ljwheat (here)
For those that need proof of ascension, short term memory may be the cause of your confusion. Clear and precise evidence exists in the Bermuda triangle, there are several location all over the world were one can vanish or ascend into another detention. Then you have the Philadelphia experiment were high power generator’s created the effect of opening a parallel shift in detentions.

The three days of total darkness is another gate way into this dimensional shift all the melchizedek’s agree on this shift as the planet wide if not the hole solar system as we move into the photon belt we are moving into the first part of 2013.

Drunvalo Melchiedek go’s into great detail on energy field of the heart spinning in one direction and the energy field of the body spinning in the opposite and how the two fields are inches apart from each other but when merged together create the Mer-Ka-Ba and when the three days of darkness occurs the VEIL in our heads will drop and our long term memory of all this knowledge of past life times and this ancient knowledge of activating the mer-ka-ba will carry us threw to the fifth detention quite easily, NWO, GFL, Religions are the one’s keeping this wisdom from the masses so they can harvest as many soul’s as they can before the jump in March of 2013.

Remote viewers, know of this but the over whelming explosion of channeling’s have drowned out the small voice of ancient wisdom of the mer-ka-ba. Over the sensationalism of ET, GFL we will do it for you hype.

Ignoring physical evidence, and listening to a chandler leading you down, what ever whim soot's them, or agenda is not the road I’m taking. Stay here and now young padawans. The future is full of story tellers.

[ljwheat]

All the endless rivers of distractions present in this world, we chose to come and play in. We came fully prepared, complete in every way as a orb of light into this being of human awareness, grounding in this orb of light the life raft threw this time of distraction and deception is the ship we all have, not letting the outside world drain the light or energy from your orb of life is vitally important. Stubbing around everyone else’s confutations of what is or isn’t or holding hands with elusion, as its flushed down the toilet, or lead into a vaporization chamber for harvest, or in a deep ditch and asking “why are they pointing guns at us?” Take your pick, its rushing at us fast. We have run out of time to hold hands and sing koom bi ya while waiting to be served or saved. To know that you know your complete, when you arrived, and still are. And always will be. Complete. The force is you. Not try, do.

Good thread Gooty thanks. John XXX dont worry be happy!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yHFDa9efCQU

[Debra]

Good questions gooty, though I feel a few groans in there as well

Channels, well I could be really sarcastic and say the proliferation is the result of people seeing a business opportunity, and equally one to feed their ego. But how do we know? More importantly, why do we need them? I like to go to the source myself, personally and that is a conversation between us.

As for the length? Well, if the download is the size of the bible, then that is how it comes out. But thanks for sharing. Not sure when or if I will get around to uploading, but I will let you know if the words engage me.

It is said when humans are being utterly transparent with you, when they have a clear intention, a grounded understanding of knowledge they have been studying, then what they say and do resonates with truth

Here is a man who I suppose was a channeler in his day .. obviously enjoyed his role and for all intents of this thread, was for many, number one. So if you are not going into yourself, to channel what you need, why go any further than Osho ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=otGQqO2TYMI

Posted by gooty64 (here)
This is a really simple discussion.

Why are there so many channels and channelers?

Why not one clear channel?

***I have another question/finding!***

Why are 90% of the messages 1500-2000 words in length?

Why not a short concise paragraph with something profound and a clear plan for action?

Why 2000 words, like in the length of a sermon?

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his alternative explanation cap...(just for fun)

I remember reading somewhere (sorry can't recall exactly) that the internal lumps and bumps on each human skull is as unique as a fingerprint. Interestingly enough the resonant frequency of each skull will therefore be unique and that frequency, suprise suprise, falls within the same spectrum utilised by the mobile phone system...

A search of the net will turn up a diagram of an electronic circuit from I think the late eighties which shows you how to scavenge parts from an old microwave oven amongst other things to build a device that enables you to transmit your own voice straight into the head of an unsuspecting passer by....

Apply a liberal advance of technology to the above, sprinkle in a few nefarious types and bingo... I'm suprised there are so few people making claims of channeling.

Of course TPTW maybe waiting to arc this up big time in conjunction with Project Blu bum, who knows.

cheers

[ljwheat]

agenda

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A3BKgEGdeiM

agendas channelers coming out of the wood work? here they are !