Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Calz]

Posted by mojo (here)
hmmm is past life experiences basically the same as channeling...food for thought

One of the first questions I asked here (after many years of metaphysical background) was how did channeling and meditation (hypnotism, trance, this and that) really differ???

These things have gone on long before black op technology ... but when you look at multidimensional interference ... great question???

[get a download from god into your head ... whatta ya gonna do???]

[Samsara]

Posted by Nora (here)
I'm gearing up for my 7 day fast... will keep you updated. I will be happy if I make it to 4 or 5 days. My goal is 7 days.

Hi Nora,

I'm in prep time also. I will be starting the lemonade fast on Friday (after the full moon). Maybe we can lean on each other, with the support of the Village.

Love

[Belle]

Posted by Samsara (here)

Posted by Nora (here)
I'm gearing up for my 7 day fast... will keep you updated. I will be happy if I make it to 4 or 5 days. My goal is 7 days.

Hi Nora,

I'm in prep time also. I will be starting the lemonade fast on Friday (after the full moon). Maybe we can lean on each other, with the support of the Village.

Love

Nora and Samsara, you have all the support I can give you both in your fasts.

I recently did a 10 day juice fast. I won't say it was easy, but I just kept giving it one more day...day after day. Figured if I made it 7 days, that would be good...but by day 7 I knew I could make it the ten. The benefits far outweigh any difficulties you may possibly come up against. I tend to liken it to childbirth...

Guess I haven't said it yet, sorry...sure did miss you, Ulli, and glad you are back. Happy to hear from you, too, Lisab. The silence of any of the voices on this thread leaves a void that only they can fill. Now where is 1inMany? Hope all is well.

[Calz]

For those who have not yet found the village barn full of cash ... perhaps this will help in the meanwhile???

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oRAWJAHncGg

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

What happened is Blufire started a thread about channneling and the distraction and bad impression of it here at PA. She got herself a posse of some very angry critters and appealed to the mods to do something about it. One of the legal weasel wedges that was used was one of the forum guidelines about posting with out introductions of the size of a post. Things that many people in all kinds of threads do but was never enforced. So. Ilie, has decided to use existing 'rules' with regards to the channeling section with a mind to make it retroactive, which Darla sais would require her to go back and re-edit her hundredof posts. Whether that was the case or her 'hearing; of ut I do not know. What I do know is that when I reported an infraction on a non channeling thread, I was told be that my efforts would make a pariah of me, to the admins, if they were to continue.

It really does look like it was Blufire having an issue with Darla. The legal issues used having little do do with actual procedure and are being used in a narrow band of application. It seems Blufire found an ally in Ilie, who also is no fan of the channeled material. FWIW, I am not a fan either, but I do know how to mind my own business. Plant eaters tend to conduct themselves in a less feral manner than those who take their daily nourishment for the bodies of other animals. There is a whole part of ones decency that has to be shut down or overridden to indulge in such a diet. Especially the factory farming of these days.

I hope that help, Corson.

Thanx for the "news we can use" ... I knew about the blufire thread but didn't follow that nor channeled stuff enough to know about the follow through.

Do I smell the tinge of burnt witches about???

Well ... crap ... blufire is a good solid down to earth person. She was doing organic farming in Kansas and got the royal screw over by Monsatan (like most all do). She has a lot of fire (no idea about her chart ... just her nature).

I can add that I found it interesting to see her latest thread about changing timelines ... which is fine ... but is that any more etched in down to earth 3D reality than channeling???

I am not going to jump in the fray and I don't wish to drag it here ... but ***to me*** we should have freedom of expression.

One thing to have the PTB/W send their brute squads to take away that right ... but in a forum ... in *this* forum ... we should have the right to express ourselves.

IMHO

Blufire apparently met someone endowed with a "deep pocket" who is interested in some of her farming projects.
When she told them about Project Avalon they had a look and dismissed it all because of the channeled materials thread.
Apparently this embarrassed her. Ilie sympathized.
I think I will now go to the mods about the fact that my contacts who have even deeper pockets don't like one of the classic rock music threads.
High time to stop the music

Ulli, I cannot thank you enough for your words here. I knew, in my core, that there was a motivation that had little to nothing to do with the actual threads. I knew there was a personal egoic aspect to this because it was so bizarre and the reasoning so flimsy. I was off the mark about Darla as a causal factor, but I did not know about deep pocketed Lightbearers. It all makes perfect sense now and my radar can be assured that the 'bogey' reading was correct. Unidentified Personal Motive has now been identified.

I smell Sulfur. I wonder what the next dance steps will be for her. I imagine they will be happening away from this forum. There are bigger fish to fry.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by modwiz (here)

...

One of the legal weasel wedges that was used was one of the forum guidelines about posting with out introductions of the size of a post. Things that many people in all kinds of threads do but was never enforced. So. Ilie, has decided to use existing 'rules' with regards to the channeling section with a mind to make it retroactive, which Darla says would require her to go back and re-edit her hundred of posts. Whether that was the case or her 'hearing; of it I do not know. What I do know is that when I reported an infraction on a non channeling thread, I was told by that my efforts would make a pariah of me, to the admins, if they were to continue.

It really does look like it was Blufire having an issue with Darla. The legal issues used having little do do with actual procedure and are being used in a narrow band of application. It seems Blufire found an ally in Ilie, who also is no fan of the channeled material. FWIW, I am not a fan either, but I do know how to mind my own business.

...

Things look a little different from this side of the fence, regarding several details and interpretations above .

[1inMany]

Here and Now. Have been trying to keep up with the Village, gets a little tough sometimes lol. I've had to skim everything and skip the vids...I know I will be missing something...

I feel like shat. My nose is red and sore, when I breathe the air feels icy and burns, my chest cough is productive only the morning and tight otherwise. And I have a sore throat. Gave in and started Mucinex 4 days ago. I get to feeling better, then I go outside and dig in the dirt, the I'm hit hard again. Yesterday I mowed and then sneezed for hours. I received my new aquamarine in the mail, I ordered it when I was asking about allergies...have to look up what mw told me about distilled water, drops on tongue... There is simply so much to do here, and none of it (outside) feels like work.

Little one is also worrisome, and I have a hunch a lot of his is allergies as well. He has had a fever every day for over a week...if he is not given tylenol or motrin every two hours (rotating), his fever spikes again. Waiting for some type of blood work that the dr did last week, no idea what he is looking for.

All I can say is that I think I might be dead by now if it weren't for those of you who have helped. I have every faith and confidence in your loving healing energies, so I know they have kept me up and running every day rather than in bed. <3

Hubby's bp is down with the increase of his bp med, sugar is much better after he made changes to his diet-no meds needed for that The scary visit to the e.r. did one helluva job opening his eyes, and apparently he needed that

Love you everybody,

[Calz]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

...

One of the legal weasel wedges that was used was one of the forum guidelines about posting with out introductions of the size of a post. Things that many people in all kinds of threads do but was never enforced. So. Ilie, has decided to use existing 'rules' with regards to the channeling section with a mind to make it retroactive, which Darla says would require her to go back and re-edit her hundred of posts. Whether that was the case or her 'hearing; of it I do not know. What I do know is that when I reported an infraction on a non channeling thread, I was told by that my efforts would make a pariah of me, to the admins, if they were to continue.

It really does look like it was Blufire having an issue with Darla. The legal issues used having little do do with actual procedure and are being used in a narrow band of application. It seems Blufire found an ally in Ilie, who also is no fan of the channeled material. FWIW, I am not a fan either, but I do know how to mind my own business.

...

Things look a little different from this side of the fence, regarding several details and interpretations above .

This is as loving and accepting a community as can be found (um ... village).

Please Paul ... help us to understand because we are all a "village" of sorts ... a "forum" on another level ... and *ONE* beyond that.


I have had a hard time with the treatment of channeled material as long as I have been here and I don't even follow it.

When it first broke (40 years ago or so) I was all over it (law of one ... seth) but fell away not long thereafter. That does not take away from some aspect of the phenomenon. I fully understand the watering down of valid and useful information has happened from several sources. Baby bathwater yet again.


Why does the censorship have to go beyond the paragraph which distances the "official" viewpoint of the forum from channeled material???

Is that not enough???

Is the official position of the forum such that membership has no voice???


Cal

[ThePythonicCow]

You have a voice, Calz_Avaretard. I see your words here. Modwiz has a voice ... and blufire and all the other members ...

We on the mod team are doing what we can, within our modest means, to apply the forum guidelines to all. That does mean that other posts, besides those involving channeling, have (in the last few days) been changed from full copy and pastes, down to excerpts, with a link and a comment. That does mean we mods ask the members to follow those guidelines, and if they choose to do so, to encourage other members to do so. That does not mean that we take action on all such copy paste posts, or that we would take action on all Reports of such. Our mod energies are finite.

The mods, admins and owner of this forum strive, by several various means, to maintain the good qualities of this forum ... as do many members. This includes guiding members in line with the forum guidelines, vacationing those who we hope will benefit from a stronger message, and removing the occasional member in whom we've lost hope of following the guidelines or of working to support the common aspirations of this forum's membership, management and ownership.

It also includes commenting on what's presented here by others, encouraging what we suspect has value, and cautioning members of what we suspect is misguided. Different mods, admins and the owner have different areas of expertise, and different views, so we're aware that we are acting in a dual role when we do this, as both someone more likely to be noticed, and as someone just as likely to be wrong.

If someone were to tell us they were going to Report () every copy and paste post, or bare link post lacking comment or description, then we would honestly tell them that we'd soon get annoyed with that, and that we would not take action on all their reports.

As I noted here

Posted by Paul (here)
We're still not enforcing that [excerpt, comment and link] rule, or any other rule, with some sort of draconian zero tolerance policy. We lack both the energy and the temperament for "zero tolerance". But we are asking all members to follow that guideline, and we are enforcing it ourselves within the reasonable limits of our available energy.

This is a moderated forum, and the mod team takes an active role, in a variety of ways, to support the forum, to nurture it's good qualities, and to weed out the harmful qualities. Many members do this as well ... in their various ways. Thanks .

This is not a "free speech, anyone can say anything" zone. Those soon, in my experience, turn into places with either too much noise to hear anything, or too little worth hearing ... or both.

I do have a confession to make. I get annoyed by those would cry "censorship" when the mod team takes a moderation action that can be (whether accurately or not) portrayed by some as favoring or disfavoring some viewpoint.

We here are (almost?) all seeking to improve our awareness, understanding and cooperative efforts for a better world. Sometimes this really does involve being publicly clear to others, in our words and deeds (including forum mod, admin and owner words and deeds) what we have notice. I am well aware of the many twists and turns my own learning has taken ... I might be hard pressed to enjoy a conversation with someone who held the views I held one or three or five decades ago ... that guy was an idiot . So I tread gently, or not at all, most of the time (which in itself is interpreted by some as bias.)

But tread I do, and I shall continue to do, doing what I can to improve my personal and our common awareness and well being.

[Calz]

I will thank you Paul for your reply.

Very much so.

I have copied complete text from very many articles.

Again and again.

Is that what this is really about???

Am I now a criminal???

This in no respect is disrespectful to any of the mods.

We need some clarity here.

We need some consistency here.

Out of the 5000+ posts I have made I have been approached once regrading format. Not once have I had anyone suggest I cut down a post (although I understand the post limit). Am I to understand you (overall mods) are applying different standards on length of articles to channeled material than elsewhere?

Please understand that this is for constructive purposes.

We need a clear statement whether this is regarding length or type of post ... yes???

Time for personally but please this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed for the forum.

I appreciate and applaud *all* the mods for their work. It really is undervalued. Perhaps one of membership requirements of the forum should be to view what the mods have to go through in a week's time???

As always IMHO

Cal

[PurpleLama]

Thanks for speaking to that, here and now .

[modwiz]

I want to, here and now, also acknowledge the efforts of the mods to be fair and balanced, in a very real sense. Since, I make errors in judgement, (I'll blame it on the mortal coil) it is to be expected the errors will be made by fellow Avalonians, of every description, and that it is never a conspiracy or premeditated. So, I want to thank Paul for jumping in here and keeping an open and honest dialogue between us all. I know we are all on the same side. I also acknowledge that I can wax polemical. It is who I am. I also know how to calm down and make nice.

BTW. I do see that an even approach is being seen to all of the threads here. It is all finding its' own level and balance.
I am happy for the guidelines. Dump and run threads have always been a pet peeve of mine. Videos without explanations feel like homework assignments which are as popular as that smell in the back of a bus.

[ulli]

Posted by Paul (here)
You have a voice, Calz_Avaretard. I see your words here. Modwiz has a voice ... and blufire and all the other members ...

We on the mod team are doing what we can, within our modest means, to apply the forum guidelines to all. That does mean that other posts, besides those involving channeling, have (in the last few days) been changed from full copy and pastes, down to excerpts, with a link and a comment. That does mean we mods ask the members to follow those guidelines, and if they choose to do so, to encourage other members to do so. That does not mean that we take action on all such copy paste posts, or that we would take action on all Reports of such. Our mod energies are finite.

The mods, admins and owner of this forum strive, by several various means, to maintain the good qualities of this forum ... as do many members. This includes guiding members in line with the forum guidelines, vacationing those who we hope will benefit from a stronger message, and removing the occasional member in whom we've lost hope of following the guidelines or of working to support the common aspirations of this forum's membership, management and ownership.

It also includes commenting on what's presented here by others, encouraging what we suspect has value, and cautioning members of what we suspect is misguided. Different mods, admins and the owner have different areas of expertise, and different views, so we're aware that we are acting in a dual role when we do this, as both someone more likely to be noticed, and as someone just as likely to be wrong.

If someone were to tell us they were going to Report () every copy and paste post, or bare link post lacking comment or description, then we would honestly tell them that we'd soon get annoyed with that, and that we would not take action on all their reports.

As I noted here

Posted by Paul (here)
We're still not enforcing that [excerpt, comment and link] rule, or any other rule, with some sort of draconian zero tolerance policy. We lack both the energy and the temperament for "zero tolerance". But we are asking all members to follow that guideline, and we are enforcing it ourselves within the reasonable limits of our available energy.

This is a moderated forum, and the mod team takes an active role, in a variety of ways, to support the forum, to nurture it's good qualities, and to weed out the harmful qualities. Many members do this as well ... in their various ways. Thanks .

This is not a "free speech, anyone can say anything" zone. Those soon, in my experience, turn into places with either too much noise to hear anything, or too little worth hearing ... or both.

I do have a confession to make. I get annoyed by those would cry "censorship" when the mod team takes a moderation action that can be (whether accurately or not) portrayed by some as favoring or disfavoring some viewpoint.

We here are (almost?) all seeking to improve our awareness, understanding and cooperative efforts for a better world. Sometimes this really does involve being publicly clear to others, in our words and deeds (including forum mod, admin and owner words and deeds) what we have notice. I am well aware of the many twists and turns my own learning has taken ... I might be hard pressed to enjoy a conversation with someone who held the views I held one or three or five decades ago ... that guy was an idiot . So I tread gently, or not at all, most of the time (which in itself is interpreted by some as bias.)

But tread I do, and I shall continue to do, doing what I can to improve my personal and our common awareness and well being.

Your point is well taken, Paul. And your gentle touch was evident, as always.
It goes without saying that if I were on a forum where astrology was considered a controversial subject I would not fling my astro stuff around.
Since quite a few here are interested and even well-versed I took that as an encouragement, and yet I am aware that not everyone approves.
So one has to mind one's manners, something that everyone ought to remember when in a public place.

Just as the channeling threads had the appearance of being-agenda driven after a while, so equally did the choir that wanted to close them down.
Since they finally got what they wanted one wonders what will they turn their censoring eyes on next?
I'm just so glad I'm not a moderator.

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)
Your point is well taken, Paul. And your gentle touch was evident, as always.
It goes without saying that if I were on a forum where astrology was considered a controversial subject I would not fling my astro stuff around.
Since quite a few here are interested and even well-versed I took that as an encouragement, and yet I am aware that not everyone approves.
So one has to mind one's manners, something that everyone ought to remember when in a public place.

Just as the channeling threads had the appearance of being-agenda driven after a while, so equally did the choir that wanted to close them down.
Since they finally got what they wanted one wonders what will they turn their censoring eyes on next?
I'm just so glad I'm not a moderator.

As long as deep pockets do not find another subject and a member to go along with them, we should be fine. Vigilance, now that we have seen a new tactic.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I have copied complete text from very many articles.

Again and again.

Is that what this is really about???

Am I now a criminal???

This in no respect is disrespectful to any of the mods.

We need some clarity here.

We need some consistency here.

Out of the 5000+ posts I have made I have been approached once regrading format.

The guidelines are clear enough, in my view:

6. POSTING EXTERNAL MATERIAL

1. When sharing outside material with the forum, please do it in the form of links with summary paragraphs. Posting long passages (i.e. more than a few short paragraphs) of outside text, regardless of relevance, is prohibited.
2. The summary of the content of the link should be a paragraph of your own words and / or with a single-paragraph excerpt from the text itself.
3. “Naked” links, i.e. links without summary text, should be avoided, as most members do not have the time to blindly research such links.

I am making no effort to worry about past posts ... and I been letting long copy and paste posts pass with out concern in the past.

I am not consistently enforcing the guideline now ... nor are the other mods doing so. This is primarily due to lack of time and energy to do so. So no doubt, sooner or later, members will notice us impose these guidelines on one post that they enjoyed, and take no evident action on another such post with which they disagreed. As night follows day, some of those members will presume we're imposing our bias. Sometimes they might be right ... us mods are humans too.

However I do what I can to apply the rather mechanistic rules and guidelines of the forum with an even hand.

When I think some member's post is so misguided it should not pass without comment, I prefer to comment on the substance of the post itself, so others (and myself) can see clearly what I'm saying ... and choose for themselves whether to pay it any consideration.

[Calz]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I have copied complete text from very many articles.

Again and again.

Is that what this is really about???

Am I now a criminal???

This in no respect is disrespectful to any of the mods.

We need some clarity here.

We need some consistency here.

Out of the 5000+ posts I have made I have been approached once regrading format.

The guidelines are clear enough, in my view:

6. POSTING EXTERNAL MATERIAL

1. When sharing outside material with the forum, please do it in the form of links with summary paragraphs. Posting long passages (i.e. more than a few short paragraphs) of outside text, regardless of relevance, is prohibited.
2. The summary of the content of the link should be a paragraph of your own words and / or with a single-paragraph excerpt from the text itself.
3. “Naked” links, i.e. links without summary text, should be avoided, as most members do not have the time to blindly research such links.

I am making no effort to worry about past posts ... and I been letting long copy and paste posts pass with out concern in the past.

I am not consistently enforcing the guideline now ... nor are the other mods doing so. This is primarily due to lack of time and energy to do so. So no doubt, sooner or later, members will notice us impose these guidelines on one post that they enjoyed, and take no evident action on another such post with which they disagreed. As night follows day, some of those members will presume we're imposing our bias. Sometimes they might be right ... us mods are humans too.

However I do what I can to apply the rather mechanistic rules and guidelines of the forum with an even hand.

When I think some member's post is so misguided it should not pass without comment, I prefer to comment on the substance of the post itself, so others (and myself) can see clearly what I'm saying ... and choose for themselves whether to pay it any consideration.

Thank you Paul (and all the other mods).

We really owe this forum to you.

Cal

[ulli]

Posted by 1inMany (here)
Here and Now. Have been trying to keep up with the Village, gets a little tough sometimes lol. I've had to skim everything and skip the vids...I know I will be missing something...

I feel like shat. My nose is red and sore, when I breathe the air feels icy and burns, my chest cough is productive only the morning and tight otherwise. And I have a sore throat. Gave in and started Mucinex 4 days ago. I get to feeling better, then I go outside and dig in the dirt, the I'm hit hard again. Yesterday I mowed and then sneezed for hours. I received my new aquamarine in the mail, I ordered it when I was asking about allergies...have to look up what mw told me about distilled water, drops on tongue... There is simply so much to do here, and none of it (outside) feels like work.

Little one is also worrisome, and I have a hunch a lot of his is allergies as well. He has had a fever every day for over a week...if he is not given tylenol or motrin every two hours (rotating), his fever spikes again. Waiting for some type of blood work that the dr did last week, no idea what he is looking for.

All I can say is that I think I might be dead by now if it weren't for those of you who have helped. I have every faith and confidence in your loving healing energies, so I know they have kept me up and running every day rather than in bed. <3

Hubby's bp is down with the increase of his bp med, sugar is much better after he made changes to his diet-no meds needed for that The scary visit to the e.r. did one helluva job opening his eyes, and apparently he needed that

Love you everybody,

I finally recovered from my last cold, so I know just how you must be feeling.
There were a couple of things that popped into my mind while reading your post.
I'm very glad that your husband's bp situation is on the mend and I can assure you that with a talented doctor and a healthy diet
your husband can look forward to a long life. So that one is now taken care of.
The little one is next. Obviously building an immune system is difficult and my hunch is that this child might be picking up your energies.
Not vice versa.
Which would mean that it is really important that you maintain your health at optimum. Avoid cold air at all cost until you are totally well again.
Anyway, you and little one have my best wishes for a speedy recovery.

[PurpleLama]

Oneinmany, I highly recomment that you find a source for local, raw honey, and start eating a few big spoonfuls every day, you and the sick youngun. Hope it helps, if you do!

[Mike]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by mojo (here)
hmmm is past life experiences basically the same as channeling...food for thought

One of the first questions I asked here (after many years of metaphysical background) was how did channeling and meditation (hypnotism, trance, this and that) really differ???

These things have gone on long before black op technology ... but when you look at multidimensional interference ... great question???

[get a download from god into your head ... whatta ya gonna do???]

indeed.

one of the first books that got me going on this journey was 'Conversations With God #1' , material that was purported to be divined (channeled?) from God himself. it was and still is a highly influencial source of information and spiritual inspiration for me. i think i always sort of subconsciously disregarded most channelers due to what i feel to be dubious content, and also because of my own personal research (see: The Mothman Prophecies, by John Keel). but it occured to me a few weeks back that this is a rather hypocritcal form of snobbery on my part, as i was indulging the same phenomena under a different guise with the 'With God' series.

man, it's a good question, Calz. like splitting hairs.

[Sierra]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I will thank you Paul for your reply.

Very much so.

I have copied complete text from very many articles.

Again and again.

Is that what this is really about???

Am I now a criminal???

This in no respect is disrespectful to any of the mods.

We need some clarity here.

We need some consistency here.

Out of the 5000+ posts I have made I have been approached once regrading format. Not once have I had anyone suggest I cut down a post (although I understand the post limit). Am I to understand you (overall mods) are applying different standards on length of articles to channeled material than elsewhere?

Please understand that this is for constructive purposes.

We need a clear statement whether this is regarding length or type of post ... yes???

Time for personally but please this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed for the forum.

I appreciate and applaud *all* the mods for their work. It really is undervalued. Perhaps one of membership requirements of the forum should be to view what the mods have to go through in a week's time???

As always IMHO

Cal

Cal,

We cannot be consistent, there are too few mods, and too many posts. Look at how often the mods get yelled at for not stopping rude posts or fights in progress. It is not that we are not willing to moderate, it is that it requires the cooperation of all members. If members do not hit the "Report" button, very often we will not know there is an issue. So many members sit back and complain that we do nothing, but they do not hit the "Report" button.

Lengthy quoted posts: This is a guideline to save members reading times. If someone posts a video with no information, then statistically there are going to be a bunch of pissed off members who "really" did NOT want to spend time on the video, once they have figured out what the video is about. It is a matter of civility and courtesy to post a brief description of the video, and the member's personal reason for posting the video in the first place. Again, if members do not cooperate with the guidelines, and others do not report, the consistency of the enforcement of the guidelines is going to suffer.

Consistency of enforcement of guidelines: We tend to enforce where people bitch and report, because this is where moderators are made aware of issues. The Channeling and News sections have most abused the guidelines, and hence gathered the most reports, hence received the most moderation. Also, we react when we get emails from other sites, upset that a member as posted an entire article, with no source or link. I just ran across two such posts today, complete quotes, and no source or link, in yes, the channeling section.

Also, when it is consistently one or two people who refuse to follow the guidelines, eventually their names, and their posts become irritating to the moderators (after listening to irritated members), because we can't get away from them and their refusal to care for the forum as we'd like them to. Also, WE get PMs behind the scenes where people say they are not willing to post their sentiments on the forum, but they will let us have it regarding this rude poster and that rude poster. If we hear 100 messages about a particular poster, but no one is willing to say anything on the forum, it is an uphill fight, to convince a member, there *really* is an issue with the way they post or the way they speak to another member. Someone brought up Blufire's name, but Blufire was not alone and not necessarily the first, in "instigating" the loosing of the hounds, baying for blood.

We affect one another. We influence one another. If someone is contemptuous or unkind or dismissive, it affects all of us, to either defend or attack or ache for another. If we defend or attack, we've polarized, and nothing we say or do is going to generate a positive outcome. This is not to say we cannot express a difference of opinion, but--we can be polite, we can annotate and supply information or data to support a viewpoint, and treat others with respect. And if you see a thread being obnoxious, you can avoid it. If there is a member who consistently rubs you the wrong way, you can put them on nice "pink" ignore. I certainly do so, when a member is getting loud or egotistical or self righteous about their point of view.

Channeling: I agree. They have a right to expression as well. I'm just not sure that "expression" should include full texts from other websites with absolutely no description, no point to begin a discussion of the material, and no personal take on the material. Again, this is not just channeling, the News posters have historically done this as well. It makes more sense to me that you'd present a POV to start a discussion with a link for those who are interested in joining the discussion. We hear a lot of flack on this issue that never makes it to the forum, and again, it influences us, when the noise gets generated by many PMs for a few offenders. And I have to say, when the members *have* brought up the issue in a member's thread, and they have been ignored on the member's thread, we notice that as well.

As well, some members will post five or six threads a day, without following the guidelines, and again, this eventually and inevitably will generate awareness that a member is becoming an issue for other members. It is not as if we sit waiting with bated breath to pounce on members. It is more an attitude of oh blast and hell, do we really have to say something here when we've already said something ten times previously on the same issue? Honestly, we do avoid controversy if we see the members calm themselves down, apologize or retract, and then address an issue in a more polite or dispassionate manner.

We LOVE it when members CAN MODERATE THEMSELVES. This is one of the reasons I love the Here and Now thread so much, people on this thread for the most part moderate themselves and if they don't, they for the most part respond in a mature fashion if notified by the moderators that a more moderate approach is needed. And this would be the only thread, where I'd put out the effort to help you understand why we look so inconsistent, because it is my opinion I'd get the crap kicked out of me if I were to do this on any other thread.

Consistency: As Paul has said, we do not look to enforce guidelines in a robotic fashion, coming down on all infractions with equal weight. The forum would vanish if we were to do so. We wait to see if there really is an issue, and sometimes we simply are not aware that something has become an issue. Sometimes, if a member attacks another member, we go back and examine their posts to see if this is a pattern. If it is, then we are more aware that this is someone we need to keep an eye on, and in some cases, ban from the forum immediately. Also, as someone pointed out on the Pila thread, we, as a forum, are getting more efficient at identifying and weeding. We as well, do ignore some reports. It is just too obvious sometimes, there is ego or agenda involved in the reporting of another member's behavior. Sometimes reports get ignored because we're tired from putting out fires in another location.

Curiosity: I've noticed a pattern lately, that *does* influence *me* in some respects. A member will after months of polite dialog, suddenly go all out with loud opinions and a argumentative attitude towards anyone who does not agree with their current POV on their current OCD issue. Because they used to be "civilized" I'll wait to say something. Sometimes, they will go quiet, and another member will take center stage as the loud and obnoxious one. I've learned to just wait it out to see if they can calm themselves down after a month or so. If they can, I'll chalk it up to an astrological configuration that they have met and successfully handled. Again, this probably makes me look inconsistent, sorry. I tend to go along with Paul's advice on this, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, and the smaller the movement one can make, the less churning of the waters. It is an art, and I'm not that good at it yet.

Legal crap: And finally there is the issue of copyright. Because of copyright issues, we ask members to GIVE CREDIT, GIVE A LINK, that a site can then use as traffic statistics for their own articles. We ask members to GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION, a POV as to WHY they are posting, and quote from the article *briefly*. We ask members to understand, that when we receive emails from original authors or sites to delete entire articles and to leave a link instead, we must comply or potentially face a lawsuit.

I'm somewhat embarrassed to say all this, because I feel like I've been saying this stuff until I am blue in the face, but I can see you are upset Cal, and I hope I am somewhere in the vague vicinity of answering your complaint as to why we are so "inconsistent". There are a lot of factors that influence our inconsistency ... but I hope between Paul and I, we have supplied an understanding.

Love you dearly Cal. Don't want you upset. We do our best. Forgive us please, if we have offended you. Thank you for telling us your upset.

Love, Sierra