Channeling - the 'how to' guide

[9eagle9]

My favorite remarks from this thread.

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......

(if one is sick and tired, one is upset)

It is really easy to make fun of other people

Yeeesss.


And to 9eagle9 ... what did I ever do to you?


Nuffink. On the contrary, you do a lot for me like remind me there are real people out there. (hugggggles)

[Borden]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
On behalf of all Githomians, I am insulted. Just so you know, we don't believe in earth humans, either.

To use a game metaphor, some people have the ball, and run with it. Some people don't have the ball, but are trying to get it. Some people don't have it, don't want it, but don't want anyone else to have it either. A very few see the humor in it all, and just watch, and laugh.

Tighten up, borden, this one's not quite as funny as the last.

I am not the class clown.

Oh, hang on, I just checked with the mother ship and apparently I am.

Those Githomians have the right idea. I don't believe in us either.

Borden

[Borden]

Ooooh, hugs to you 9eagle9 ... I was beginning to think you were doubting the great entity who speaks through me!

Borden

[Mike]

well i'm a channeler, and let me tell you, i take offense to these accusations, little one.

and proof is forthcoming, just hang in with me for 150pgs of the most ambiguous, vague, carrot-dangling madness and i promise to reward you with some of the most maddeningly circumstancial, anecdotal, esoteric "evidence" you'll ever hope to see. and if it's not enough for you i'll be sure to say something to the effect of "I have nothing to prove to you, and I'm not here to impress you." in fact, if i was on trial for murder--and i possessed the evidence to exhonerate myself--i'd say the same exact thing because after all, i'm not here to prove myself to anyone.

do you understand what i'm saying here, sweetheart?

in all seriousness, i once had a security guard at my place of employment call me "big-guy". yep..."big guy". i walked around my entire shift saying out loud to myself "that guy just called me 'big guy'", shaking my head in a sort of bemused amazement. thing is, i'm not that big--5'8" 180lbs. i couldn't get it out of my head. surely a "tiger" and a friendly head-lock accompanied by a noogie was next in this unsettling progression, so from that point on i called him "ace" and i think that did the trick. he sort of avoided me after that.

ok, what were we talking about again...yes, channeling! Calz made a good point yesterday, drawing a not always recognized link between channeling, hypnosis, divination, psychic readings etc...We can't really put a piece of paper between 'em, can we? i referenced the 'Conversations With God" books that i liked and still like, and was forced to shamefully confess my hypocritical snobbery. the author claimed his messages were coming straight form the almighty himself, and after reading the book i was convinced of his authenticity...or maybe i just wanted to be. he made an interesting point: why would God stop talking to us 3000 yrs ago? is it so outside the realm of believability that He might have a message for one of earth's current residents?

*note: i hope you don't think any less of me here, Borden* lol

generally speaking, i am in total agreement with you, though if we 'throw the baby out with the bath water' as they say, we might deny ourselves a real opportunity at something divine, paranormal, metaphysical...whatever you wanna call it. it's true that 90% of it is all bunk, but i'd like to gently suggest we all keep the door open a crack, just in case.

[Earth Angel]

perhaps I should have said BORED...........as in been there done that, why do we have to keep going down this road......not a big news day maybe???

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
My favorite remarks from this thread.

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......

(if one is sick and tired, one is upset) ]

[9eagle9]

No not all, perish the thought.

Once you spake the words of the Great Entity through you-- "Let those whose heals, have suffered the asp cast the first stone" i was absolutely and whole heartedly devoted.

Posted by Borden (here)
Ooooh, hugs to you 9eagle9 ... I was beginning to think you were doubting the great entity who speaks through me!

Borden

[Borden]

Chinaski ... you're not alone! I think that 'Conversations with God' stuff is excellent. I'm guessing that there will be some present who will be surprised to hear me say that. I still think he should have gone with the 'We are all God, so this is valid' marketing pitch though. Oh ... except it wouldn't have had the grab appeal.

But then you've got jokers like the GFL, who, with the best will in the world, couldn't make something look plausible if they tried.

Borden

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I cherish your devotion 9eagle9 ... now, how can we get minted from it?

Borden

[9eagle9]

Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.

First we file DBA papers stating we are doing business as Ceasar.

So we create a coin with the Great Seal that has Ceasar representing the Great Entity. And that's basically it, pretty simple.

Now we just need the sign of the Great Seal and when the adherent that provides the Great Seal posts it up we will know we are divine.

[PurpleLama]

Make no mistake, I say tighten up in the good ol' redneck kick you in the rear 'cause that's what's good for you sense of the term. Humor, in my understanding, is one of the best ways of reaching people, for it catches the ego off guard. So the truth can slip in. You've got a knack for it, maybe a little of that ol' trickster archtype in there. Keep up the good work, the funnier the better.

I agree substantially with Chinaski, as well.

[Borden]

I can do all that. I have royal blood.

Seriously ... I do! Now let's talk turkey!

Borden

[Tarka the Duck]

It could just be me, but I'm finding this thread incredibly constructive...

The mutual recognition of the importance of, as Chinaski says

keeping the door open a crack, just in case.

I would never deny that some wisdom could be coming to us from 'somewhere else'...

Humour is soooo important - "Humor is a rubber sword - it allows you to make a point without drawing blood."

I have royal blood.

What?!

[9eagle9]

Danger Danger Infidel Questioning the earthly incarnation of the Great Entity.


We do not say what?! to the Great Voice. We say "I have in my stupid ignorance, in my foul lowlinless, in the utter cess pool of my mind, misunderstood your pearls of wisdom, Great One."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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My apologies, Tarka the Duck that should be the 'fowl' lowliness that you are.

(yuck yuck)

[NeverMind]

I have royal blood.

What?!

Oh, relax, Tarka, we're all inbred here.
I have swan blood myself.

[Setras]

I think everybody in England can claim relation to Edward I............ just by the exponential expansion of parents line. you would need about 84 billion people (give or take 2.6) to cover all the descendants about 900 years ago........



It would help if you parked the GFL cruiser over DC or something then people will sit up and listen....

Keep them coming though............. They give Inspiration

[dddanieljjjamesss]

This is more annoying than channeled information. Vicious and assumes people can't decide for themselves.

[Curt]

Well put, Chinaski. I'm with you on that. We can't 100% exclude the possibility that some of this may be the real McCoy.

Personally, I'm still open to the idea there is genuine phenomena in the mix.

It's good to be open-minded and critical at the same time.

Posted by Chinaski (here)
generally speaking, i am in total agreement with you, though if we 'throw the baby out with the bath water' as they say, we might deny ourselves a real opportunity at something divine, paranormal, metaphysical...whatever you wanna call it. it's true that 90% of it is all bunk, but i'd like to gently suggest we all keep the door open a crack, just in case.

[onawah]

If Borden gets any funnier, we'll have to preempt him from the channeling format, give him a microphone and launch him into a career as a standup comedian.
I haven't laughed this much in a coon's age!

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Make no mistake, I say tighten up in the good ol' redneck kick you in the rear 'cause that's what's good for you sense of the term. Humor, in my understanding, is one of the best ways of reaching people, for it catches the ego off guard. So the truth can slip in. You've got a knack for it, maybe a little of that ol' trickster archtype in there. Keep up the good work, the funnier the better.

I agree substantially with Chinaski, as well.

[Alex Laker]

Whilst I personally do not take too much heed of channelled messages, I find the constant bashing of channelers as charlatans to be quite inappropriate. My own personal disbelief is due to the lack of personal truth (through direct evidence or proof) rather than a disbelief or distrust of those who claim to channel information.

It comes down to some of the most fundamental questions. Do we believe there are extra-terrestrial civilisations with an active interest in planet Earth? If we at least believe this, then we cannot discount the fact that a certain minority of those entities have contacted the odd human to try and get the message across. Personally I believe that any truly benevolent being would stick to a code of strict non-interference unless absolutely necessary. I also believe that there is something nefarious going on in the way of abductions, and in the vein of my former belief, this must be malevolent.

However, I do not know. This in fact is also entirely compatible with my own beliefs, since non-interference can mean many things. If a benevolent being does contact a human, have they really interfered? It is still up to the person contacted to relay, and act upon the message, and for those they tell to believe them and also act upon it. Furthermore, if I can't decide, then we're still at square one, and absolutely nothing has changed.

It is my opinion that the notions of belief and disbelief are not in fact antonymous. If something beggars belief by way of any form of proof (be it personal or widely accepted), then to not believe it is equally a belief. Belief is personal, and passive with respect to others. Disbelief is in fact quite an active pursuit. To disbelieve inherently requires mistrust, which frankly is an awful thing. Our mistrust causes us to react, and actively tell people who have innocent beliefs that what they are saying is fraudulent or otherwise wrong.

Simply put. To believe the opposite is something is not the same as disbelieving that something. To be able to disbelieve something without mistrust requires proof. There can be no absolute universal proof of the concept of channeling either way. If one is disproved as a charlatan then by way of my above argument, we still cannot doubt everyone based on the actions of one person.

Universal, globally accepted proof of anything can never exist, and so everything is inherently unprovable, and all we have left is belief.

Channeled messages in this context are hardly different from any of the other content on this forum in the way that they require our belief. You either do or you dont. It's simple.

To ban channeled messages from the forum would be a complete violation of our ability to discern and choose our beliefs for ourselves. To laugh at them is fine, but finding them funny is a belief, and you should take care to realise that some people believe these messages, and will take offence to this. As such you should make explicit that everything you say is simply a belief and not an affront. In fact, explicit disbelief is often tantamount to an affront if put across in the wrong way (which it frequently is).

At all times, make clear your beliefs and do your best to justify them. If you believe channeling does not exist in a benevolent capacity, then say that, and say why. Do not say "hahahaha, channeling is so stupid, let me write this hilarious impression of SaLuSa, and piss a load of people off". Sure it may actually be quite funny to some people, and I have to be honest; I do see the humour, but I don't witter on about it. I put forward my own beliefs in the most constructive way I can. People won't take your beliefs seriously if you **** all over theirs.

Rant over.

[mojo]

Wow Araxes your posting would make a great thread on its own...not the channeling info but the insight on non-interferene points and what does it mean and can it be overcome? Way back I posted a thread on it. Not many answers were forthcoming as you can imagine. tough question to answer, I wish I knew.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ference-policy

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I really liked Borden's and Chinaski's posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.