Channeling - the 'how to' guide

[PurpleLama]

What's funny, if one entertains the law of one as being true, to paraphrase roughly, that which is of positive polarity will specifically avoid making such prediction as it would infact be a violation of free will on a mass scale, for such prediction and intervention occur, and also it would set up the messenger up for self aggrandizement. There is also the caution that specific dates and predictions and such are common distortions that the negative will seek to interject into otherwise positive messages for the very fact that it will discredit the message and the messenger. We see this in operartion with most channeled material, even within the law of one, cayce, wilcock, and almost any that I myself would ascribe to. Discernment has to be multi level for one to wade fruitfully through the great morass of channeled material out there. It really has to work overtime, but it's worth the effort all the same.

[RMorgan]

Hey Ilie,

Thanks mate!! A agree with you 110%, my friend.

Very concise post.

Cheers,

Raf.

[onawah]

Perhaps there is no "right" or perfect way to address the issues that have come up surrounding channeled info.
We are imperfect beings, no doubt about it, but it would be sad to refrain from our best attempts even knowing they will miss the mark to some degree or other.
The fact that we have made the attempt at least, shows that we care, and that is what makes us human.

I've always liked the definition of a human being from the Dune books by Frank Herbert:

"You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap?
There's an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dune
(Not that I regard animals as inferior, but the word "animal' can apply to a human as well, and what it really refers to here is a lower level of consciousness that thinks only of itself.)

Taking it a little further, what would a real human being do if he was able to see a trap into which another, unsuspecting human might fall?
Would he issue a warning or do his best to disable the trap, or just shrug and walk on, leaving the other's fate to the be decided by his "free will".
And this analogy is not perfect, either, but clear enough, hopefully.

Some of us are more trusting and naive than others, some of us have gifts of a greater intelligence or far-seeing wisdom, or a terrific sense of humor, all of which should be shared with those who need a little light shown on their path, even if they don't at first understand.
Chances are they may still fall into the trap, but at least at a later date, they will look back and see that someone cared enough to put up a warning sign.
Part of our task as human beings is to create a community where we care enough about each other to take action when we can to make it a better world for us all, with whatever tools we have at hand.

This is a moderated forum, but it is also to a great extent, self-governing.
The Mods, Admin, Bill Ryan rely on the members to "police" ourselves as they simply don't have the time to do it all for us.
And we are all guests on this forum, and as such, have agreed to comply with Bill Ryan's guidelines.
And his comments as follow are helpful in knowing what those guidelines are insofar as channeled info is concerned:

So many people are so desperate for answers to important questions, they become open to being fooled by New Age 'High Priests' like Clif High (and Ben Fulford can now be included, to some degree, and also, at least partially, David Wilcock) -- besides channeled messages by the thousands.
Anything sourced from Mike Quinsey, 'Tolec', Nancy Lieder, Greg Giles, or Georgi Stankov (this list is very far from complete! ) -- can in my opinion be totally disregarded as indicators to truth. And regarding Clif High -- please note that nothing happened yesterday. When will we stop being so gullible?
Any 'White Hat' reports containing references to NESARA -- another hook that catches so many people -- can also be safely deleted. NESARA is certainly now a fiction, whatever its provenance many years ago.
The only definition of 'Ascension' that has any validity is Inelia's: "the expansion of consciousness" -- which is definitely a reality. Any other discussions that describe Ascension as any kind of rapture or magical universal transformation are simply misinforming and misleading.
Some forecasts are accurate. Some messages received from ETs or discarnate entities are valid. Consciousness is expanding. But the nonsense far outweighs the accurate reports, the noise drowning out the real signals almost all the time. I'm not saying that Avalonians are not discerning. I'm just saying stay focused, keep balanced, and remain logical. Belief is no substitute for knowledge.
Greg Giles is another Amerocentric 'channeler' who in my opinion can be safely discounted. But I will read with great interest any channeled messages that provide accurate information about:
Future events (note that such sources need a track record to be credible)
Technical information, such as free energy and non-local communication blueprints, or hyperspace drives
The real workings, plans, structure and modus operandi of the global controllers.
Credible messages containing these details will deserve and demand our attention. I humbly suggest that most else is really a waste of time.

Personally, I find some channeled info to be of value and I have posted some of it on the Channeled Info subforum, but even those messages are not of much benefit to anyone unless they exercise a lot of discernment.
One of the channelers whose messages I read with interest is Tyberonn, but his messages contain references to "dear ones" and there are some other elements that I find irritating and unhelpful.
But Tyberonn is the grandson of a Baptist minister and he's human and has his share of filters and blind spots, so I take that all into account because there is some amazing information about the history of Atlantis, the function of pyramids and other ancient sacred sites.
He is obviously drawing on a storehouse of a kind of information that is hard to find elsewhere, so I am happy not to throw out the baby with the bathwater just because of a few 'dear ones',etc..
Ithink there is potential there for improvement and a much more clear channel, and my hope is that will come in time.
That's just one example. Seth, Law of One, Bashar, Kryon, The Group are a few other sources that can be mined for gems, if one has the inclination, and feels the need for some inspiration, uplifting, insight or validation or whatever...
If one finds the information useful, I don't see the harm in going to an outside source on occasion.
I am grateful the Admin is leaving us with the option to post the gems, even though it leaves us with the more difficult task of helping to weed out the nonsense.
Sometimes knowing which is which is not that straightforward, but I think if we apply, within reason, the same kind of standards as we do to whistleblower info, then we'll do alright.
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it, and I'm not all that surprised that some of us here have taken it on, and I'm kind of proud that we have!

[TargeT]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

I think the "channeling" section with its disclaimer is a very good way of handling it.

while to some of us it may be disturbing that these messages continue to "spew forth" (my term); I think its important to let them, as your example above will be repeated among many.. you can only be told falsehoods so long before you recognize them for what they are.

and of course,,, you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink... this holds true here as well, so yes, we invite a bit of Huxley (A Brave New World) in here, but at least it's confined to a spesific section; I would not presume to deny someone a tool for learning a lesson, even if it is temporarily damaging (though that's not to say i won't voice my concern over the content & intent of those "tools")

[9eagle9]

Ilie the Dumbs are being destroyed.

Its just that people assumed it was underground bunkers.

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello,

I really liked Borden's and Chinaski's posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

[Alex Laker]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
"I don't have to believe everything I think."

Can I just say that this is one of the truest things I've read. I meant to tell you one time, but never got round to it. So there you go

[noxon medem]

For you , Borden .

The secret of the "missing" capstone on the "NWO" pyramid .

It is , basicly, for you . All of you .

The secret of the missing capstone in the NWO pyramide ...
Well, basicly , that capstone is you. All of you.. In your own life.
And think more liquid when thinking the structure , but basicly
you are the capstone and the allseeing eye in your existence
the consciousness and responsability, and more , like we all are ..
as a sovereign being of natural habitat and inheritance on earth .

- unknown source , who cares ..

:- )

Be Well

nm

[Alex Laker]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello,

I really liked Borden's and Chinaski's posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

I agree. But if people here really do believe those things, and are otherwise by GFL non-believer standards lovely people who have all sorts of other things to offer, how can we move forward? The separate forum has always been the best solution imo. If you don't like it, don't go there. I don't think people should write things that they know will offend certain members. After all, you don't have to go in the Channeled Information forum, but the people who adhere to the messages therein sure as hell go in the General Discussion forum, where they are most certainly put off from making contributions that may be useful regardless of whether they believe in any channeled messages no matter how ridiculous they seem.

Nonetheless, it does not mean that channeled information should be presented as fact in other forums. IMO, it is perfectly acceptable for it to be referred to as a personal belief in any context, and for it to be used in respectful argument. Conversely, those who rebut should be equally respectful in putting across their lack of belief in such information, and should offer alternatives beliefs which convey their perspective on things.

For instance - the thread "Command Removal of the Illuminati". (Posts are entirely theoretical)
In case 1, poster A writes "I don't believe we need to worry about doing this ourselves, because the GFL said its happening already - see this thread (link to Channeled Information forum)."
In case 2, poster A writes "Why are you even posting this? We don't need to worry about this because the GFL said so (no link to any information)."

Case 1 is clearly an acceptable response to the thread. They have stated that it is their belief, and they have linked to information which can be used for the discernment of people who will respond to the post.

Case 2 is not acceptable. It questions the validity of the thread based on personal belief (which is not acknowledged). There is also no attempt to back this statement up.

Poster B who responds to poster A should either request justification, or given that it already exists should read it, and then make an assessment of the logic in the argument, and respectfully reply detailing their thoughts on what has been presented. Any new beliefs presented should again be backed up with justification and a statement making clear their nature as beliefs. If A has provided some justification to which B doesn't even give a glance, then any reply B gives is not justified, especially if it is of an inflammatory nature and seeks to demean A's position without logical insight.

I realise that the examples I have used are extreme, but this is how I feel about how people should act. In my opinion, when people are offended, they will respond in kind, and this is when things start to go off topic. This is what really lowers the signal to noise ratio for me. If I see a thread (read the first post), and the decide that the content therein is not to my liking, then I go read another. Even if the thread was completely irrelevant to anything, it has not really lowered the signal to noise ratio, as I have the capacity to ignore it. If I go into a thread in which I am genuinely interested, and find that because of differing beliefs it has descended to farse, with irrelevant posts all over the place, then I am at a loss to follow the logical progression of arguments presented, and will probably not bother to enage in the discussion. This is what kills the forum. When good threads are destroyed because people start to act in an irrational way when their beliefs are challenged. I couldn't care less if the thread was irrelevant to begin with.

[Selene]

Ilie, thank you for this. I've been struggling with a concise way to explain my point of view - and you've done it all right here.

Wonderful!

Many thanks,

Selene

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello,

I really liked Borden's and Chinaski's posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

[sirdipswitch]

Love this thread. Ya'll seem to be havin such a good time with it I decided that it's high time to throw my two cents in here and take this channeling thing to the next leval. Hang on ta yer shorts buckwheat cuz I'm gonna give ya some homework. There is a guy in Brazil that channels dead doctors, that come into him, to cut people open and heal them. Yep. And , this guy ain't no doctor. Been doin it for 40 years and spozedly fixed 15 million people. He is called John of God. Yep, got a website by that name too. dot com. johnofgod dot com. I found him cuz my ex brother-law went to him. Yep, got healed too. This ain't no s*** folks.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[frances]

So funny made me laugh. Frances.

[gooty64]

Finally, something I can sink my teeth into and get back to work.

From here on in you can call this channeler Astrobiscuit

[NeverMind]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Love this thread. Ya'll seem to be havin such a good time with it I decided that it's high time to throw my two cents in here and take this channeling thing to the next leval. Hang on ta yer shorts buckwheat cuz I'm gonna give ya some homework. There is a guy in Brazil that channels dead doctors, that come into him, to cut people open and heal them. Yep. And , this guy ain't no doctor. Been doin it for 40 years and spozedly fixed 15 million people. He is called John of God. Yep, got a website by that name too. dot com. johnofgod dot com. I found him cuz my ex brother-law went to him. Yep, got healed too. This ain't no s*** folks.

Well, my grandfather would be pleased to hear that: he always said that a good doctor is a dead doctor.
(If you have any complaints, take it to him - he was the one who studied medicine. :-))

Seriously, though: I have heard and read tons of testimonies regarding João de Deus; and I know a person who has received a visit from a trio of departed doctors (not by way of João ).
There is something there. I ain't bashing those doctors or their earthly facilitators. :-)

However, I believe this is not the same as the sort of "channelling" discussed here.
But let's leave that for another time. :-)

[Borden]

Ever wondered why Ilie was an admin guy? Post No 40. Fair and measured. Like Fox news. Sorry, Ilie. I didn't mean it, don't ban me!

Seriously, which one of you nuts has got any guts? My research tells me we could get rich from this! Where could we go with it ... oh, hang on.

Borden

[onawah]

The "if you don't like it, don't go there" argument is only a small part of the issue, and has never addressed any of the other problems that are all part of the same package.
The channeled subforum is not the only part of Avalon that has been affected by the flood of GLF and similar messages.
If you look at the list of new posts that appear on the main page, and it is full of GFL messages and people's responses to them, then what you are seeing is what people see when they check in to Avalon to see what is going on.
That includes newbies, first timers, non-members, all visitors in fact.
Personally, if I was new to Avalon and came here to find something profound in the way of whistleblower information or news about free energy or the environment or alternative healing or any of the myriad other topics that most people have traditionally come here for (and it's been a tradition that has made Avalon great), and what I found instead was something that looked like "Uncle Bill Ryan's House of GFL Channeled Messages" (to paraphrase what someone else used to describe it recently), then I would certainly go elsewhere posthaste.
On the other hand, someone who WANTS to read GFL messages has ANY NUMBER of websites they can go to to read that and discuss with other cult members...uh...fans of that kind of ...information....

If those of us who would like to see more BALANCE here (such a good word) are getting a bit testy due to the continuing refusal to bow to the inevitable (see Ilie's post if you think "inevitable" is not an accurate description, or Bill Ryan's post which I've copied above), it is probably because this issue has already taken up so much of our time and energy, and there are SO many subjects more worthy of our attention and space on this forum.
If you STILL feel you haven't been heard, there are MANY threads dating back to December which have been addressing this issue, and I really think all the bases have been covered as to pro and con.
I'm sure that you will find all arguments have been gone over quite a few times.
Is there any reason why this has to become another mess like the Lord Sidious one, which seemed never ending?
Can we just get on with doing what we do best here at Avalon?
Which is providing a great space for the newest and most cutting edge information in the alternative community...

Posted by Araxes (here)
I agree. But if people here really do believe those things, and are otherwise by GFL non-believer standards lovely people who have all sorts of other things to offer, how can we move forward? The separate forum has always been the best solution imo. If you don't like it, don't go there. I don't think people should write things that they know will offend certain members. After all, you don't have to go in the Channeled Information forum, but the people who adhere to the messages therein sure as hell go in the General Discussion forum, where they are most certainly put off from making contributions that may be useful regardless of whether they believe in any channeled messages no matter how ridiculous they seem.

Nonetheless, it does not mean that channeled information should be presented as fact in other forums. IMO, it is perfectly acceptable for it to be referred to as a personal belief in any context, and for it to be used in respectful argument. Conversely, those who rebut should be equally respectful in putting across their lack of belief in such information, and should offer alternatives beliefs which convey their perspective on things.

For instance - the thread "Command Removal of the Illuminati". (Posts are entirely theoretical)
In case 1, poster A writes "I don't believe we need to worry about doing this ourselves, because the GFL said its happening already - see this thread (link to Channeled Information forum)."
In case 2, poster A writes "Why are you even posting this? We don't need to worry about this because the GFL said so (no link to any information)."

Case 1 is clearly an acceptable response to the thread. They have stated that it is their belief, and they have linked to information which can be used for the discernment of people who will respond to the post.

Case 2 is not acceptable. It questions the validity of the thread based on personal belief (which is not acknowledged). There is also no attempt to back this statement up.

Poster B who responds to poster A should either request justification, or given that it already exists should read it, and then make an assessment of the logic in the argument, and respectfully reply detailing their thoughts on what has been presented. Any new beliefs presented should again be backed up with justification and a statement making clear their nature as beliefs. If A has provided some justification to which B doesn't even give a glance, then any reply B gives is not justified, especially if it is of an inflammatory nature and seeks to demean A's position without logical insight.

I realise that the examples I have used are extreme, but this is how I feel about how people should act. In my opinion, when people are offended, they will respond in kind, and this is when things start to go off topic. This is what really lowers the signal to noise ratio for me. If I see a thread (read the first post), and the decide that the content therein is not to my liking, then I go read another. Even if the thread was completely irrelevant to anything, it has not really lowered the signal to noise ratio, as I have the capacity to ignore it. If I go into a thread in which I am genuinely interested, and find that because of differing beliefs it has descended to farse, with irrelevant posts all over the place, then I am at a loss to follow the logical progression of arguments presented, and will probably not bother to enage in the discussion. This is what kills the forum. When good threads are destroyed because people start to act in an irrational way when their beliefs are challenged. I couldn't care less if the thread was irrelevant to begin with.

[Alex Laker]

Posted by onawah (here)
The "if you don't like it, don't go there" argument is only a small part of the issue, and has never addressed any of the other problems that are all part of the same package.
The channeled subforum is not the only part of Avalon that has been affected by the flood of GLF and similar messages.
If you look at the list of new posts that appear on the main page, and it is full of GFL messages and people's responses to them, then what you are seeing is what people see when they check in to Avalon to see what is going on.
That includes newbies, first timers, non-members, all visitors in fact.
Personally, if I was new to Avalon and came here to find something profound in the way of whistleblower information or news about free energy or the environment or alternative healing or any of the myriad other topics that most people have traditionally come here for (and it's been a tradition that has made Avalon great), and what I found instead was something that looked like "Uncle Bill Ryan's House of GFL Channeled Messages" (to paraphrase what someone else used to describe it recently), then I would certainly go elsewhere posthaste.
On the other hand, someone who WANTS to read GFL messages has ANY NUMBER of websites they can go to to read that and discuss with other cult members...uh...fans of that kind of ...information....

If those of us who would like to see more BALANCE here (such a good word) are getting a bit testy due to the continuing refusal to bow to the inevitable (see Ilie's post if you think "inevitable" is not an accurate description, or Bill Ryan's post which I've copied above), it is probably because this issue has already taken up so much of our time and energy, and there are SO many subjects more worthy of our attention and space on this forum.
If you STILL feel you haven't been heard, there are MANY threads dating back to December which have been addressing this issue, and I really think all the bases have been covered as to pro and con.
I'm sure that you will find all arguments have been gone over quite a few times.
Is there any reason why this has to become another mess like the Lord Sidious one, which seemed never ending?
Can we just get on with doing what we do best here at Avalon?
Which is providing a great space for the newest and most cutting edge information in the alternative community...

I agree completely. However, I still don't think the issue has been resolved. So we've gone over every pro and con with regards to allowing channeled information, and what? If the issue is still being discussed, it's still an issue.

You talk about cutting edge information, and I fear that precisely the opposite has become a problem in so much as the same information being repeated over and over again. Perhaps this is why we notice the channeled information more, because it is more prevalent at the moment than whistleblower information. Channeled information is easy to make up, and so we are more likely to mistrust it. To be a whistleblower requires credentials and a solid story, and so we will more readily trust a whistleblower. I fear the notion of credibility has gone out of the window for many people, and too often people believe things because they 'resonate' with them.

Indeed, BALANCE is the key, but there's the thing - I feel Avalon is a bit confused at times, and it is possible that this is borne out of its very ideals. If we have too many hard skeptics, then we're ATS. If we don't have enough skeptics, then we're some airy fairy GFL forum where we all believe anything. The balance we want is between spirituality and logic, and I believe Avalon achieves this to an admirably large extent. However, it seems that in order to have that balance we have to take people from both extremes, with some modicum in between. Due to the extremes outnumbering the middleground, we get tension. Over time, I believe the forum will reach more and more this middleground and can only become more balanced. It is a dynamical system and it is tending towards balance. Like all things. In order to convince people to join the middleground, we can't resort to attacking their belief systems as invalid, because they will resent you and move further away from your position at the other end of the spectrum, which is not what we want. By excluding belief systems, we will only make them more different from our own, and so we destroy an possibility of reaching equilibrium.

Avalon is still flourishing, I feel. There are times when it seems like everyone is on the same wavelength as me, and others when I have no idea what the heck has happened to everyone's capacity for discernment. We're like sine waves, oscillating back and forth, crossing paths and moving apart, but we make corrections, until everyone is on the same wavelength, and in phase. That's how I see the goal. We must bring everyone together. That will be the true resonance. Not the power of knowing an idea in your own mind. But the power of knowing that it is in the hearts and minds of everyone on this forum. A united Avalon with a single ideology - a single mission - a defined goal. That could change the world.

Now let's get on with it, shall we?

[Carmody]

I'm an easy going guy and I wouldn't hurt a fly. Most times.

When I read all the predictive stuff, well.... I too would like to see some meat on those bones, for once.

The quote that comes to mind when I look at some of this channeled material is a bit harsh, but so is my dark humour. (a tongue in cheek response to the whole affair) It is the very first words, a quote, at the opening prologue of the Stephen King Novel, 'The Dark Half'.

[DeDukshyn]

Now .. let me write one of these for all those useless souls that still believe in "evolution" or Christianity, or God, ... pffft!!! As is usual on the topic, nothing constructive. Energy better spent elsewhere .. but I do appreciate the humour -- that is where this thread should be ... in the humour section. My opinion.

[gripreaper]

I've been thinking of becoming a channeler, so this is my first shot at it. Hope you like it;

Greetings, my sweet dear precious little ones. I am the great one from the Highest Stellar Federation of galaxies and councils, from the very Central Sun of all Suns and Galaxies, which is above all other Councils and Federations, at the apex of the very Cosmos itself. I come to you now for the first time whilst there is such a need for clarification due to the myriad of lower channeled material being distributed amongst your alternative media at this pivotal time in your ascension, and the awareness each of you holds in your consciousness determines the outcome of this ascension, your very thoughts and beliefs providing the inertia to set afoot and complete this ascension. I was asked by all of the councils, who were in total agreement, to address you on this very important subject.

I normally do not enter into these realms for comment as I am above all planets, galaxies and federations, but at this time, as earth carries the imprints and the DNA of many of these galaxies, as earth is the most precious of federation assets, I have agreed to address you at this time. This is why there is so much attention and excitement all around the cosmos and why many are watching and waiting to see how this long term experiment continues and how the completion of such a very long and arduous task finally ends!

You, my dear little ones, are what all of the cosmos is so excited about because nowhere else but in this tiny little corner of this galaxy has anything like this ever happened before. This will be the greatest evolutionary endeavor ever tried and all of the Federated councils will be so joyous to see how you will be brought into the fullness of the galactic family, and this will be happening any day now.

As most of you are aware, those who would go against such a momentous occasion will no longer be the progenitors of any more distraction, or implementation of their agenda, as I have guided the various Stellar Councils and Federations to guide you and keep you on the right track, so you will be able to complete your task and do your work as you have so wanted to do from the beginning of time, from the very deepest part of your very soul. It has been a long journey my sweet precious dear little ones, but the journey will be completed soon, and you will be ascended into higher consciousness, and you will no longer be stuck in the lower dimensions of divisiveness and duality consciousness. Can you imagine the joy we are feeling for you?

It is time to put on the breastplate of righteousness and carry your sword of truth with pride, and ignore the fear mongers, both within and without your alternative media communities and forums, for such divisiveness will fall away just as sure as duality itself will fall away. You don’t have much longer to wait my sweet precious dear little ones, so sit back and enjoy the ride, for we have everything under control and there is consensus among all of the Stellar Councils that everything is going according to plan.

At this pivotal point in your ascension, rest assured, that there will be no more nuclear exchanges, no more wars, no more hunger and no more hatred and divisiveness. We have dismantled and disempowered those, whom you call your elite, and they no longer have the ability to control you or your thoughts and feelings, and you are finally being set free from the economic and political slavery which has been part of this precious little planet’s experience for eons. I lifted the quarantine at this most auspicious time in your evolution to allow for the assistance which you have asked for to come forth from the Stellar Councils, and we have heard your call.

The planets are aligning their energies to assist you as well, not only in your own galaxy, but all galaxies throughout the cosmos, and the cycles upon cycles upon cycles which you have experienced, all the polarized dualities of hundreds of lifetimes, are now aligning together for the grand finale. All your karma, your sorrows, your fears and your anger will be washed away and brought into unity and the grand experiment is now coming to a close. You are already seeing the changes, are you not my sweet dear precious little ones, eh?

Many thanks goes out to all of you and your alternative media communities, especially Avalon, for spreading the good news and posting on your Facebook pages the messages of hope we so freely share with you each day. More and more souls are awakening due to your efforts and you will be rewarded once enough of you continue to complete your tasks and do your work. It is time to magnify your efforts to usher in the new paradigm of dreams and not to be discouraged by those who would choose to thwart your efforts, so please continue to bring the fullness of your hopes and dreams to fruition. It would be helpful at this time if you would also tweet the good news on Twitter and Linkedin, as well as your Facebook pages.

I will be coming to you more often now at this auspicious and pivotal time, and the federations have asked me to, to encourage you and to help you and guide you on your way. I am the great one of the Central Sun.

Namaste` my children.

[Mike]

Posted by Araxes (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
The "if you don't like it, don't go there" argument is only a small part of the issue, and has never addressed any of the other problems that are all part of the same package.
The channeled subforum is not the only part of Avalon that has been affected by the flood of GLF and similar messages.
If you look at the list of new posts that appear on the main page, and it is full of GFL messages and people's responses to them, then what you are seeing is what people see when they check in to Avalon to see what is going on.
That includes newbies, first timers, non-members, all visitors in fact.
Personally, if I was new to Avalon and came here to find something profound in the way of whistleblower information or news about free energy or the environment or alternative healing or any of the myriad other topics that most people have traditionally come here for (and it's been a tradition that has made Avalon great), and what I found instead was something that looked like "Uncle Bill Ryan's House of GFL Channeled Messages" (to paraphrase what someone else used to describe it recently), then I would certainly go elsewhere posthaste.
On the other hand, someone who WANTS to read GFL messages has ANY NUMBER of websites they can go to to read that and discuss with other cult members...uh...fans of that kind of ...information....

If those of us who would like to see more BALANCE here (such a good word) are getting a bit testy due to the continuing refusal to bow to the inevitable (see Ilie's post if you think "inevitable" is not an accurate description, or Bill Ryan's post which I've copied above), it is probably because this issue has already taken up so much of our time and energy, and there are SO many subjects more worthy of our attention and space on this forum.
If you STILL feel you haven't been heard, there are MANY threads dating back to December which have been addressing this issue, and I really think all the bases have been covered as to pro and con.
I'm sure that you will find all arguments have been gone over quite a few times.
Is there any reason why this has to become another mess like the Lord Sidious one, which seemed never ending?
Can we just get on with doing what we do best here at Avalon?
Which is providing a great space for the newest and most cutting edge information in the alternative community...

I agree completely. However, I still don't think the issue has been resolved. So we've gone over every pro and con with regards to allowing channeled information, and what? If the issue is still being discussed, it's still an issue.

You talk about cutting edge information, and I fear that precisely the opposite has become a problem in so much as the same information being repeated over and over again. Perhaps this is why we notice the channeled information more, because it is more prevalent at the moment than whistleblower information. Channeled information is easy to make up, and so we are more likely to mistrust it. To be a whistleblower requires credentials and a solid story, and so we will more readily trust a whistleblower. I fear the notion of credibility has gone out of the window for many people, and too often people believe things because they 'resonate' with them.

Indeed, BALANCE is the key, but there's the thing - I feel Avalon is a bit confused at times, and it is possible that this is borne out of its very ideals. If we have too many hard skeptics, then we're ATS. If we don't have enough skeptics, then we're some airy fairy GFL forum where we all believe anything. The balance we want is between spirituality and logic, and I believe Avalon achieves this to an admirably large extent. However, it seems that in order to have that balance we have to take people from both extremes, with some modicum in between. Due to the extremes outnumbering the middleground, we get tension. Over time, I believe the forum will reach more and more this middleground and can only become more balanced. It is a dynamical system and it is tending towards balance. Like all things. In order to convince people to join the middleground, we can't resort to attacking their belief systems as invalid, because they will resent you and move further away from your position at the other end of the spectrum, which is not what we want. By excluding belief systems, we will only make them more different from our own, and so we destroy an possibility of reaching equilibrium.

Avalon is still flourishing, I feel. There are times when it seems like everyone is on the same wavelength as me, and others when I have no idea what the heck has happened to everyone's capacity for discernment. We're like sine waves, oscillating back and forth, crossing paths and moving apart, but we make corrections, until everyone is on the same wavelength, and in phase. That's how I see the goal. We must bring everyone together. That will be the true resonance. Not the power of knowing an idea in your own mind. But the power of knowing that it is in the hearts and minds of everyone on this forum. A united Avalon with a single ideology - a single mission - a defined goal. That could change the world.

Now let's get on with it, shall we?

nice post, Araxes.

i would respond that discernment, like everything else, is relative; which sort of explains why folks here at times have such difficulty with each other's alleged credulity. for example, i can't tell you how many times i've seen someone who supports, say, David Icke, call out the perceived gullibility of someone who supports someone like Wilcock, for example. in other words, the member who supports the guy who believes in a race of shapeshifting baby-eating reptilians is calling out the other guy who believes that a bunch of underground ptb structures with aliens in them has been blown up.

now, which one of these guys is crazy??? i mean, they're equally as outrageous! 'discerment' is so vague a word in the alt community that it's rendered almost meaningless. sure, we have clear cut cases when it must be exercised, like some of the channelings discussed above, but for the most part we're all working with limited info on all but the most obvious topics;
and let's face it: we really don't know what the f%ck we're talking about half the time.

as far as authentic channelings, i'm surprised to see that most here still assume we're dealing with extraterrestrial races from Andromeda or something. my belief, based on my modest research, is that we're dealing with something much more nuanced and complex--likely malevolent otherdimensionals. i mean, why on earth would a race of intelligent beings--beings that had likely travelled light years to reach us, mind you--select the most emotionally unbalanced of us and deliver the same repetitive apocalyptic messages of doom n gloom, shape up or ship out, etc..., and then expect these disturbed folks to make it past the white house lawn with their cosmic information, sit down with the president, and then change the course of humanity? LOL

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...