Avalonians: Perfectly "normal" paranoia or something else?

[seantimberwolf]

I think the problem with Wilcock is whenever some kind of "huge thing" is going to happen
He HAS to be involved and his claim to be Edgar Casey reincarnated is quite extreme, absolutely not outside the realms of possibility, as i believe that reincarnation is real.
But to choose someone who was an accurate prophet and then go down the path he went down with his carrier is quite coincidental.
Maybe a bit too much for me.
Icke on the other hand does do allot of his own work
SeanTW

[anthony]

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Posted by anthony (here)

Posted by Borden (here)
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Look, a big part of what speaks to me is my intuition. That is not a flaky, arbitrary, make-it-up-as-you-go-along thing. When coupled with an understanding of human psychology (as it certainly is with me) ... one man's valid researcher is another man's leering little hobgoblin after your coin. Don't get me started on Wilcock. I know exactly what I see when I see him talk and hear his voice. That will have to remain in the arena of my personal opinion though ... however ludicrous and unjust that seems to me.

Intuition aside, there's a big difference between a person honestly presenting his research and slimily milking people. I can't prove anything and neither can you. I know what my gut, my intelligence and my heart tell me. I respect you mate for posting the way you did, but I can't honestly stand here and say "oh, maybe you're right about David Wilcock". I firmly believe you're not. Sorry. No offense meant. Slag Icke to me, I will honestly listen, I swear. I'm prepared to be proved right or wrong, so long as my understanding advances, I mean it.

Best wishes,

Borden

Fair enuff fella, no offense taken, i cant slag icke off one bit, i truly respect his work.
best wishes to you too

[anthony]

whats your thoughts on the $27 trillion law suit, that has been presented by wilcock amongst others?
that questions goes to any1 wishing to add their thoughts

[peace]

Posted by anthony (here)
whats your thoughts on the $27 trillion law suit, that has been presented by wilcock amongst others?
that questions goes to any1 wishing to add their thoughts

To be fair to you, anthony, I shouldn't even post this as I find him lacking very much in the credibility dept. It should also be noted that, though I find him lacking, I check his stuff from time-to-time just to see if any of it seems legit. I find him to remain lacking, most of the time:

Seems like Wilcock, again, saying "this is a source I have, very high up," and then we are supposed to trust him. I suppose more of the same; A carefully crafted story. Nothing like telling people, online, using your own website, that people are in danger, high stakes, tons of money is involved. Last I checked the interview was transcribed, audio would be nice (there could be some, since I last checked), but still wouldn't prove anything.

He should go to some law enforcement agency or a high profile lawyer - oh, but they are under the illumanti control - or break it on SEVERAL websites and news sources - oh, but other news sources are under illumanti control as well, they'd never pick it up -
how convienent for him and his pay for info website - how convienent for others that spin their stories, to those of us that would love to see honest disclosure. He should do this - but he won't.

[Gardener]

I want to join your club! 'Peace', 'Sean', 'Borden' and all who are not subscribing to the delusions and misperceptions created by whoever for whatever. (usually money, that awesome power tool of so many.) They would be empty without it, at least for a while.

This 'work' is too hard for many and a way through the difficulties is 'magical thinking' the 'just world' theory of it will all be ok so just trust it and believe.
In saying this I am not writing off many of the theories out there, we need to be vigilant, suspicious, ask the difficult questions. To call that paranoia shows a lack of knowledge about paranoia. Paranoia is a pathology in which the sufferer believes something or someone is 'out to get them' or whatever, when there is NO EVIDENCE to support the belief. It is not paranoia when there is evidence.

Testing some of these theories is not difficult, like who benefits from the propaganda, in particular the belief that everything is 'out there' 'over there' 'up there' anywhere but inside a human psyche. Its the same with blame, someone else did it, scape goats have been around for millenia. The key word I am thinking here is manipulation, we are manipulated a lot on all sides, I see it here on avalon, I see it in msm, social constructs, and worst of all in our families, friendships, and under our own roof. We do it too, all of us, conscious and unconscious; manipulation is a real key to understanding what it means to wake up and see it, stop doing it, and stop allowing others to do it to us.

LOL my dogs are doing it right now, that look 'I love you so much mom, please feed me'

with love
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[ulli]

A forum is a group, and inside any group there is movement...just like you would see when watching a flock of birds.
Some group members strive towards consensus while others want only to distinguish themselves from the crowd.
By the time one has measured which is the dominant factor everything has shifted again.
Even within myself I have seen shifts during the last twelve months; paranoia levels going up and down, certainty levels going up and down, confidence levels going up and down.
The question remains...would I still come here if it was proven beyond a doubt that all these whistleblowers were liars?
I would still be scratching my head about one thing: those UFOs I saw, and the many photographs of missing children on various notice boards in American stores.
And why isn't that big news in the MSM?
Why was there only big news about Jon Bene Ramsey, when the real story is obviously so much bigger?
So to find answers to these kinds of questions one would seek out a forum where there are people who might be able to shed light.
Then one finds there is a massive element of disinformation on these sites.
This raises only more questions...in my world there aren't that many people who would go out of their way day after day, and sit in a chair and write what to me is obvious disinfo.
What motivates them? A pay cheque of course.
So again, more new questions....in the quest for truth there are moments like on any adventure, panic, relief, terror...
the whole dragon quest of old, except now it's more on a mental plane than the physical.
We live on a planet of diversity, and the menu is huge.
How each one chooses their next attitude and course of action is in the end all that remains.
A private matter.

[andrewgreen]

People make their own minds up. To assume because people haven't commented that they accept something is pretty presumptuous. I don't think any members of the alternative media have gone unchallenged on this forum, we don't all have to agree or disagree with something. If someone makes a point we don't have to challenge what they say as I'd hope were mature enough to accept everyone has their own opinions.

Contrary to the criticism you make about us all being to gullible you criticise us all for being paranoid because of just a few. I think your ego has perhaps got the better of you in this ill thought out judgement of a whole bunch of individuals. I learned at quite an early age stereotyping and generalising were not helpful.

[NeverMind]

I

want to join your club! 'Peace', 'Sean', 'Borden' and all who are not subscribing to the delusions and misperceptions created by whoever for whatever.

Apparently the "club" has been reduced by yet another member, because I see Peace is gone, too.
Quite a few members, not all of them necessarily popular (but I, for one, liked the energy of their input), have left or were dismissed in the past few days or weeks.
Why?
That's the question.

[Carmody]

Posted by starchild111 (here)
My opinion is, we all have formed our idea of reality around our individual personal experiences. If you haven't experienced anything weird than you may not think our reality is warped or scary. Each one of us is exposed to different experiences. That is how [B]I[B base my opions. I have seen enough corruption of authority, up close and personal. And I DON'T TRUST ANYONE because of it. Am I paranoid? IMO, no, I just happen to be privy to things that you may not have witnessed before.

example. I think most people probably didn't either believe in/ or did not care about the exsistence of UFOS, UNTIL they saw one with their own eyes. Same goes with anything else. Seeing IS believing.

eg, I've seen 'UFO" type things and I saw, back in 2001 or so a 'shooting star', one could say. That was a neat one. When it takes the form of being a reddish/violet 'shooting star', with a tail, that runs across the sky. Not that unusual..but....

Problem.

There were TWO of them, and they spiraled around each other. (at a fair distance apart) Nice....'shooting star', there.

reading a bit deeper in to this thread the problem is that many of us go forward looking for change in the world, digging everywhere to find it, but few realize that the shift of perceptive required comes from the inside. And the person is looking for answers.

And that the system of incarnation is designed to keep the body safe.

That the system of incarnation has an auto-driver/autopilot feature that deals with the entire edifice, including in and out information flow.

That the search for perspective in difficult situations does indeed ring the alarm bells of the 'edifice control and safety 'life retention' system'. To clarify, the part of the body's function that causes your arm to recoil from a burn, or shock of pain, that same system is MUCH more complex and involved than one considers. It ALSO shapes and filters all incoming and outgoing data flow into the mind.... and ALSO deals with base emotional considerations of said flow.
It is also designed to self protect....so that only a truly seasoned inner explorer will find the methods and ways of shutting that system down in it's levels of 'existence influence'.

People go "yeah, yeah, yeah Carmody, we know what you are talking about, that's not the point.'

And I say 'no', I move you over to a chair, look you in the eye..and say to you that.. 'no you don't, you miss the core issue'. The new perspective is inside, the blocks and lock on the doorways inside are the place where the new perspective you seek - is.

Perception and knowledge has two faces or components, one might say. One is the data and the other is the capacity to perceive. Like an athlete who shifts the life around to accommodate the body's need to be different to complete the tasks at very high achievement levels, if one desires complex and 'heightened knowledge', then one must address the root systems of human capacity. This is obvious, in retrospect.

Ask the self why this needs to be stated and not just perceived and be given lip service to..but to be taken on as a reality of changing inner function. Ask why this is noted ---but not done. (oh look, there's another external thing to chase!)


The body's ego function, in control of all data flow and the emotional control of all formation of thought function and shaping..that edifice or inner program steers you away from the next step of looking inside to shift knowledge and perspective to new levels. Basically the ego will tell you anything you want to hear and it will also start to go crazy with paranoia and projections in outlandish manners and ways....as you approach it. Anything that can be used to push you away from looking at it. (like and angry. fearful, scared and incredibly imaginative 5 year old driving a car, sort of... but really...a body and it's input-output systems)

To the point that you might have an emotional rise bout this post, one in the negative. That's how insidious it is. The inner and outer state tend to reflect one another, so the searcher on the outside world is also an inner searcher, one trying to fix the self but the ego makes you go on walkabouts all over the world. In any kind of way. Anything but to look inside.

The least expensive AND MOST EFFECTIVE way to help this planet is something that everyone can do at any time. Which is to look inside and change that data flow and connection system so that new perspective can be found.

If one seeks that 'fearlessness of knowing', in order to move forward ...well..ultimately...it will never be found externally, but it can always be found inside. If it is always done externally, then the systems erected will ultimately fail. (only 50% of the job would be completed-not even 50% actually, as you can't achieve a minimum balance in systems that are not even 50% addressed)

To do it from the inside first as a perspective and functional change, this heads toward a state of favorable permanent change in level for the self... AND humanity.

Paranoia sometimes is a sign that one is trying to understand complex issues and approaching the inner self issues. To paraphrase, it isn't paranoia.... when your ego is out to control you.

As the outer-world slips into conflict an offshoot of that - is paranoia via questioning the world and the self.

The ego projects sureties from those wild swings of contemplation (with little data available), it projects them out into the world, trying to gain reflection back that agrees with that projection..and we find ourselves casting things about, in order to try and make sense...so the ego can feel safe and the body can feel comfortable.

It is not just the complex external matters...(which are complex only due to the inner world not being capable of perceiving ---yet) it is the physiology of the psychology of the design and operation of the being that is perceiving. This is key..... to this current world situation.

Free your mind... and you ass will follow.

How many of us have heard that line.... but have no idea how deep it goes?

[Ascension]

I've noticed that quite a few members have moved to another forum and I'm not sure I understand why. This other forum frequently posts references to materials from Avalon and Camelot.

Several posters in this forum have recently become irritated with the amount of channeled material posted here. There has been a good deal of name-calling and lining up and taking sides behind individuals and putting down those who don't line up. I've heard mention of certain people being scientologists. I don't know how that figures into what is happening. There seems to be quite a bit of "territorial" fighting going on between forums which started in earnest after the Charles material was posted, and heated up after the Bill Wood interviews on Camelot?

This whole thing reminds me of the soap operaesque drama surrounding the early days of the 9-11 truther movement where the in-fighting was actually destructive to the movement. Instead of fighting the perceived enemy, they were all fighting amongst themselves.

This in-fighting is also happening at Rense.com.

Does anyone have the "big picture" of what is happening to this forum? For me, there is some material I follow and some material I ignore on this forum and other forums. I follow multiple forums to get a broad range of topics. But I really don't understand this forum-hopping, tantrum-throwing trend of late. Afterall, forums are simply a place to discuss ideas, aren't they?

[peace]

Posted by Ascension (here)
I've noticed that quite a few members have moved to another forum and I'm not sure I understand why. This other forum frequently posts references to materials from Avalon and Camelot.

Several posters in this forum have recently become irritated with the amount of channeled material posted here. There has been a good deal of name-calling and lining up and taking sides behind individuals and putting down those who don't line up. I've heard mention of certain people being scientologists. I don't know how that figures into what is happening. There seems to be quite a bit of "territorial" fighting going on between forums which started in earnest after the Charles material was posted, and heated up after the Bill Wood interviews on Camelot?

This whole thing reminds me of the soap operaesque drama surrounding the early days of the 9-11 truther movement where the in-fighting was actually destructive to the movement. Instead of fighting the perceived enemy, they were all fighting amongst themselves.

This in-fighting is also happening at Rense.com.

Does anyone have the "big picture" of what is happening to this forum? For me, there is some material I follow and some material I ignore on this forum and other forums. I follow multiple forums to get a broad range of topics. But I really don't understand this forum-hopping, tantrum-throwing trend of late. Afterall, forums are simply a place to discuss ideas, aren't they?

honestly, I'm not one of the original "ground" floor people and have been only activve for a relatively short time here - heck - I just "came out of retirement" (my username, etc) today because I kept checking the forums as a non-member (i got pissy and irresponsible with a thread i started and had to bring myself back in check). I'm also not a member of any other forums, but do check them out from time to time.

just a regular ol member, nothing of a backround in black/psy ops/whistleblowing, etc. just a dude that thinks these ideas are neat, and (admittedly) a bit jaded with no proof being shown (with none of my own - mind you), and a bit worried because, as my OP notes, I think some of this is unhealthy for the psyche.

and to be clear, I was not removed by anyone, i removed myself for a bit. the energy and feeling behind my posts will remain, I promise!!

i think these talks are important!

[peace]

i think that is a very fair point. i did not mean to write it as "all" were paranoid. my apologies. I learned the same lesson (at an early age) and agree.

just got worried when I saw people giving medical advice - I think that's what really, really worried me.

very good point though. i will check my posts for such "generalisms" in the future.

sorry directed at andrews post above.

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Posted by NeverMind (here)
I

want to join your club! 'Peace', 'Sean', 'Borden' and all who are not subscribing to the delusions and misperceptions created by whoever for whatever.

Apparently the "club" has been reduced by yet another member, because I see Peace is gone, too.
Quite a few members, not all of them necessarily popular (but I, for one, liked the energy of their input), have left or were dismissed in the past few days or weeks.
Why?
That's the question.

i needed to pull myself back in - the passion and energy will remain. completely self-imposed.

[rabbit]

I just wanted to say I'm glad to read this thread. I'm a new member and only beginning to unfold the web of lies that this world is hidden behind.
Last night I actually thought I was having some kind of paranoid breakdown. So thank you, for at least letting me know that it's not just me.

[Carmody]

Posted by rabbit (here)
I just wanted to say I'm glad to read this thread. I'm a new member and only beginning to unfold the web of lies that this world is hidden behind.
Last night I actually thought I was having some kind of paranoid breakdown. So thank you, for at least letting me know that it's not just me.

Yeah cain't fixes it.... until it's broked.

Paranoia and breakdown are part of the process. Tear down the old, make way for the new. They tend to happen concurrently (at the same time) as the ego struggles and throws it's paranoid projections into the mix.

Freudian psychology, modern mental health as pushed by western governments and western religion...all want you to believe that the ego is necessary and needs be intact exactly as it is. Thus psychotherapy, drugs, ostracization, labeling, external help to maintain all, etc.

Jungian psychology and what we call eastern mysticism, esoteric thinking, etc...the ONLY thing that has managed to describe any of this, so far...occult/esoteric sociological and mental subtexts are all about (and understand) what I said -as being the real paradigm.

[peace]

i think wicock is a great story teller. nothing more.
read: i think he's full of "it" and himself.
if it is true, i really hope, as was noted when ms. cassidy's interview ended, that he is safe. truly, i do.
but i really think he was never in danger to begin with.

[haibane]

Posted by Ascension (here)
I've noticed that quite a few members have moved to another forum and I'm not sure I understand why.

That kind of a thing seems to happen on kind of a regular basis - I consider it to be something along the lines of the solar cycle now ^__~

[Carmody]

Posted by peace (here)
i think wicock is a great story teller. nothing more.
read: i think he's full of "it" and himself.
if it is true, i really hope, as was noted when ms. cassidy's interview ended, that he is safe. truly, i do.
but i really think he was never in danger to begin with.

If he was in real danger or not, the point is that it was probably designed to push him in some direction. if these folks want you dead, it happens fast, with little to no evidence of anything but a normal death of some sort.

Breitebart was a little too public for them, but he stepped into the line of fire and found out what it was like to threaten with teeth (his teeth came from him doing similar earlier, ie his bark has bite). He found out that return shots happen pretty fast if need be.

Basically he announced this Obama video, and he was dead a few weeks later. It takes a bit of time to crack someone's life open when observation is the situation, so a few weeks passing is about normal, for him having been put under direct observation (for the purposes of finding the method and way that was most effective), and then the resultant death.

Breitbart could have also been killed by his own connections, to make his death be a bigger splash.

Many things are possible when morals and ethics are left by the door - manipulating humans then becomes child's play.

[Cilka]

Posted by seantimberwolf (here)
When i lived in Ireland i made friends with a Russian guy called Dimitri.
As an inquisitive soul i used to ask him about his homeland.
And inevitably i asked about the communist regime.
I asked him "what was it like, are you glad it ended"
I thought i knew about the "reds" regime, the oppression, the slavery, no freedom of thought etc etc.
But what Dimitri told me shocked me.
he said "when it was communist we knew what we was in for, there where not many lies, but with capitalism money is a means to hide secrets and bribe even your family at times"
He told me how there was freedom, and how it was not as extreme as the west made it, that no one wanted for more than they needed.
People worked, for a greater good.
I tried to argue a point against communism, but eventually i realized that i was trying to prove my point on something i knew nothing about.
I decided to agree to disagree, but he said one final thing along the lines of.
I have lived under both and i can tell you I'm more unhappy now that i have to worry about trivial things.

The point is this, we cannot judge other peoples opinions and beliefs because they are ultimately based upon our own.
Lies will always be lies it does not matter weather they are harmless or harmfully.
We HAVE to be vigilant, otherwise this will go too far and we will loose to many good people who really want the truth.

I have to agree with Dimitri. I lived in Czechoslovakia when it was still communist. I personally do not believe in any political systems (I don't vote any more), but if I HAD to choose one political system under which I would have to live, I have to say that I would choose communism in former Czechoslovakia. Life was truly good back then, now the country (both Czech Republic and Slovakia) is just as corrupt as North America. Money is beautiful, but people made it into this huge senseless monster that is destroying human lives and our environement (this planet). There is nothing wrong with money, but there is definitely something wrong with humans possessing money. They found many ways to use money as a dangerous weapon. Naomi Klein described the wave of capitalism extremely well as it sweeps through self efficient nations and how this wave forces the nations to fall on its knees (the name of the book is 'The Shock Doctrine).

It is sad that people will create any evil out everything that they touch, even if that something starts out to be pure, simple and harmless.

[RunningDeer]

Hello peace,
Part of my take away from your post is that people are programing themselves into needless fear. If so, I'd agree where I am concerned. I find that I've had to increase my awareness on negative and fear programing rattling around in the head. Delete, delete, cancel cancel... I am my own worst enemy; which is the good news because the solutions reside within.

One way is balancing out both sides by taking actions steps where ever I can. Of late, I'm finding that more often it's been spontaneous action. It's like the use it or loose it - the creative solutions present because of the willingness to run with the spontaneous action. It's extremely energizing, too.

Bottom line for me, it's about standing in my own power. That sweet-spot within. Secrets are revealed. Though, I should stick a post-it note to the peanut butter jar as a back-up reminder.

Thanks for this thread.

[Cilka]

Posted by peace (here)
i think wicock is a great story teller. nothing more.
read: i think he's full of "it" and himself.
if it is true, i really hope, as was noted when ms. cassidy's interview ended, that he is safe. truly, i do.
but i really think he was never in danger to begin with.

I know that nobody cares what I think about this but I will say it anyway. I think that these individuals who communicate with ET's are a little unstable in their minds to begin with. I don't think they realize that there is certain danger involved when you do start communicating with entities who are not human, have no clue what it is to be human, other than them realizing that it is extremely easy to manipulate humans because of our entrapment in 3D reality and our own stupidity.

Life on planet Earth has not been fun for thousands of years. Humans by nature are very violent, vindictive, cruel, psychotic and simply stupid. I have no clue what really happened to humans when they decided to create extreme divisions among themselves, and as a result of that decided to kill one another the worst ways possible. I mean, where does that creativity in killing comes from? So, I am not surprised that ET's find us fascinating and easy to manipulate those who are seeking for a better and more peaceful life on planet Earth. For this manipulation of vulnerable humans I would give a good kick as s to these ET's. I think that they made things worse by interfering into our already destructive ways of human life here.

I think that people such as David Wilcock mean well. They are good natured souls who are seeking to help humanity in a good way. It is easy to understand David why he would be willing to sacrifice his own soul. We all had enough of the bull and we truly are in need of something more meaningful and beautiful in our lives. And that is the reason why ET's would target people such as David, so that they can give these individuals hope in their personal lives, they also make them more knowledgable about certain issues that they are presenting to the ones willing to listen to a different version of our reality, and they also give these individuals rewards such as money, knowledge, connections to important people, power etc.

There is no fun in being abducted by alien species, and if someone tried to abduct me I would definitely try everything possible to make them stop. And yes, anyone can make them stop. There is free will and ET's cannot interfere in free will. George Kavassilas stated that there is no longer free will on planet Earth. Well, I have to disagree with that and his ET friends. Once you start believing that there is no free will then you are inviting attacks from these entities who have nothing else to do but to play with our vulnerable human minds. In additon, these ET communicators don't seem to mind that they are being poked into by these entities. What is wrong with this picture? Don't they respect their souls and bodies? Nobody has the right to take control of my soul or body, unless I give them permission.

I think that David is not in any danger, it is just a fabrication of his own fantasy. I think that a lot of the ET communicators will give out warnings that they are being attacked. I also think that the ET's are losing their power somehow and it is freaking them out. The whole system that is based on manipulation, either by governments/banking systems/and even ET's interference, will start crumbling down slowly but surely.

People, start trusting your higher selves. We all want something great to happen on this planet, but it definitely won't happen with the help of ET's. ET's have to start respecting human evolution and need to stay away because they are making things worse. There are 7 billion of us, we don't need ET's telling us what to do and how to do it. If they really wanted to help they wouldn't have introduced weapons of mass destruction to our mentally sick governments, and they would already have done something so that our sick governments would not have the power to take control of this whole planet or to kill us all. The ET's have had plenty of time to help us, only if they truly wanted to. All they are doing is telling us, in an enlightened way, that in order to ascend to a higher dimension 4D or 5D, we need to get out of this planet because it wont be safe here anymore. Hmm........I don't think so.