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    Default CONCRETE, EXPERIENTIAL PROOF: "You are Not Your Body"

    Goal: to recognize your are not only the physical body, you are the greater Soul/Light (light body)

    Objective: to observe Soul/Light through hands-on experience
    Objective: to experiment with techniques to find your personal blueprint
    Objective: to share experience and knowledge.

    Introduction: I am a work in progress. This thread is for the beginner, the curious, the opened mind, and the outside the box thinker.

    Summary: The heart is the key. It unfolds when the time is ripe. Nothing to do. Nothing to become. Just Be. That is the perfection of the human condition. There is no one way; I offer my personal experience.

    What I know: I am not my physical body
    What I experienced: All Oneness, Only Silence, inexplicable Love

    I was “a part of everything”: all the trees and the stove and the book and the bird on the deck, the one that flew by, the buzz of an insect. And crazy, silent laughter and simplicity. And then I looked at my arms and hands I understood it was all a big mistaken farce.

    I have gone beyond the silent place, beyond all tears of joy, and silent gut wrenching sobs of awe. I experienced knowledge or an understanding that there is no experiencer having an experience.

    I experienced:
    - a wave of peace interlaced with silence, stillness, and non-desire
    - understanding of why the body is here
    - nothing matters, and don’t waste time with worry and fear.

    Description of returning to consciousness: My body sat both heavy and light. Not needing, not wanting to move because this state was leaving. I wanted it to last as long as possible. Like the slow evaporation of a hand print on a window pane, the "I" watched from the sublime to material return: All-ness, to heart, then to heart-mind, to mind, and lastly fully conscious material reality.

    Post update: “Alex Collier Earth Transformation Conference,” on how one is not the body. (8 minutes into the vid)

    QUOTE: “...My body is moving before my thought were... Because now I’m connect directly to my Higher Self, to my soul ... I’m not waiting for my ego to click in and start walking. In other words, if they start walking, I’m walking before I start thinking about it ...” - https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyMga...eature=channel

    PART TWO - PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF BODY ACTION, NO PERSON

    Example #1: one is not the body, nor the action: Fire walking at “Stuart Wilde’s Warrior Wisdom 5 day Intensive,” Taos, New Mexico, 1990.

    Description: There was a body stepping on coals walking from point A to point B. No mind giving instruction that its hot, or move forward, be scared, or don’t fall. Body does it’s job without mind tripping it up. Body doing it’s job as it’s designed to do. Mind steps in and steals all the credit. Goes around all puffed up, saying look what I did. I walked on fire.

    After the initial right foot step on the coals, there was absolutely no feeling, no doer, no action, no experiencer. Nothing, no one.

    The secret? ANY ONE can do it. Nothing profound, absolutely nothing magical. It's only fear that makes it seem like a monumental challenge. I learned that the unchecked mind is a trickster. Fear is a false, and we feed it life. Awareness is the antidote. DISCLAIMER: (because that's what I see in other places) Don't try this at home.

    Example #2: one sees body action, but you are not the action: Falling water glass caught in mid-air
    Description: Degrees of slow motion unfolding. No observation, then observed but not experienced, then mind takes all the credit for experience.

    There’s a nano-second of time where I caught a glass in mid-air before thought said, “Watch out, catch it.” It was body doing it’s job. Without the name Paula attached. So not my awareness, but awareness watched the movie of an arm and a hand catch the glass.

    There was no feeling to feel. There was no doer and experiencer. It was all one and the same. No need to separate out. It was only after that the mind of the doer pat herself on the back and took credit for what body did all on it’s own.

    PART THREE - BODY ACTION, NO PERSON

    I discovered another way to prove I am not this physical body.

    Exercise: While under the covers, in absolute blackness, I ran a finger over my face.

    Technique: Less than 30 seconds. Used “passive action”, which is where one engages only to the point of awareness and not trying to produce an outcome. Keep the inner dialogue down to as close to zero as possible. If it sounds complicated, I’d say - just try it. Don’t think, just do it.

    Awareness of Steps: It was like a time lapse movie. Simply, I got out of the way. Finger upon the face was replaced with, the label “sensation”. Then, I let the label “sensation” go. The sensation of touch was gone. Only “motion” remained. Lastly, was the focus on the only thing left. Let go of the movement of the finger which faded into the background.

    Plain and Simple Directions: Again, this sound more complicated that it is. For some of you, I'd say, just run the finger across the cheek in a dark place like a closet. No one doing anything. Just sensation that dissolves.

    What is most important in life? “...just laugh, just love, just share. Please, how can anyone go wrong with that?”
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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Removing thread due to poor interest. Thanks to all that visited. I hope it brings one to a different place of understanding. Peace. WhiteCrowBlackDeer

    UPDATE

    Oh, cool looks like it's a go. A group of dedicated seekers including myself are up for experimentation. The thought of shared ideas, just tickles me. All are welcome to board. Wanna go for a ride?
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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Quote Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
    Removing thread due to poor interest. Thanks to all that visited. I hope it brings one to a different place of understanding. Peace. WhiteCrowBlackDeer
    My dear.... some of the best threads, and not just on this forum, appear to generate little interest.
    But all too often that is simply an optical illusion. :-)
    ET SI OMNES, EGO NON

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    Default Re: CONCRETE, EXPERIENTIAL PROOF: "You are Not Your Body"

    I am definitely going to try this tonight. Have you tried seeing with your eyes closed? I often try it and often have the sensation that I can see everything clearly. I somtimes feel that the awareness that we are actually spirit is there just waiting for us to fully grasp the concept and be it!
    Last edited by sdv; 8th March 2012 at 16:58. Reason: spelling error
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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Please, don't take this down . . . your experience was obviously powerful and meaningful and you were kind and loving enough to share it . . . I most certainly will try this and I am sure that others will as well. I will let you know tomorrow what the outcome was. Thank you so very much . . . with love, Lee Anne

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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Also, there is too much risk in misunderstanding terms or contexts used. Or time needed to ascertain the original intent.

    Creatives are hated in their own village, just as the sages said sages are hated in their own village.

    Comparative meditation history in the west fascinates me. A long discussion of this seems relevant, yet easily misses creative discovery. New metaphor might be needed, but hard to get across.

    It sounds good, better leave it there.

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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Its essential to be patient here.
    Different continents mean different reading times--- also the number of guests who read the enlightenment thread, for example, greatly outnumber the "locals"
    Things of value as, this is, get found sooner or later.
    Best wishes Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Give it time, give it time. Not only different hours around the planet are in cause for not reading, but also PEOPLE ARE WORKING. My life is soooo busy that sometimes I have only the week ends or one day a week to get on the 2 forums I am part of. And then, I won't write being too tired, but I do read.

    Other times, (depending on the season) my time is more elastic and I will be more present.

    You never know where you throw the stone and how the ripples will reach the shore. Give it time, and moslty, do not mind about results. Send and pitch, whomever is in need will probably be directed to your thread through serendipity.

    Voilà

    "Ah! Ces impatiences de l'égo. La sagesse est très patiente. Elle attend parfois des milliers d'années.

    Oh! those ego's impatiences. Wisdom is very patient, it waits sometimes for thousands of years."

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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    you are on the right track will be back to post later when have a bit of time

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    This thread remains alive and well (not to be deleted) ... by general concensus.
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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    Quote Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
    Removing thread due to poor interest. Thanks to all that visited. I hope it brings one to a different place of understanding. Peace. WhiteCrowBlackDeer
    The only place to get immediate feedback is in the chat room. (I usually feel overwhelmed in the chat area when lots of text messages start flying, so it doesn't work well for me, but some folks like the chat area.)

    I only saw your post just now - and I was on last night for a bit. Now that I saw it, the thread title drew me right in, so I'm sure I did not see the title and skip over it. I'm not sure why my eyes or the forum software's algorithms sometimes seem to miss some threads.

    Give it a bit of time.

    Can you describe (the indescribable) in words: can you tell us what you felt? Does it appear that there is a separate "doer" of the action and an "experiencer"?


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    Quote Have you tried seeing with your eyes closed? I often try it and often have the sensation that I can see everything clearly.
    There is no doubt in my mind that sight, as well as the other senses, is "non-local", so to speak, because certain substances can induce this.
    (I am not talking about hard drugs, or even marihuana; I have no experience with the former, and relatively little - most boooooring - with the latter.)

    Based on my own experiences with seeing through closed eyelids in total darkness - most of which came seemingly unprovoked, out of nowhere - the best is to forget that you "can't" see unless your eyelids are open. :-)
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    Default Re: Concrete, Experiential Proof that You are Not Your Body

    OK. I agree. There is so much on this forum that is not new for me. I think it is a very valuable thread with powerful message that any one can benefit from if they have not already arrived at this knowledge.
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    Quote Exercise: While under the covers, in absolute blackness, where visual sensation is zero I ran a finger over my face.
    Another thing I just remembered: if you want a scarily intense experience, stay in a tub of warm water in a totally blacked-out bathroom (preferably with no windows), until your everyday You starts to dissolve in all sorts of memories and sensations you never knew you had.

    You can also do it without water. Then, it's a different experience, also very intense.
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    Ah, dear op, I remember well starting a thread to have it totally ignored! My ego would be quite miffed! Even now, I sometimes think i am a thread killer. I finally post something on a thread and the whole thing drops out of sight!!

    The experienced members just keep bumping their threads when they have something to add. You write words of wisdom, keep it up.

    One only has to observe a dead human to know that what made them, them, has gone. Therefore the person is not the body, it is what animates the body and is therefore unseen, invisible, spiritual. Our bodies are the clothes we wear. That realization is a biggy to 3d humans.
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    Quote Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
    Removing thread due to poor interest. Thanks to all that visited. I hope it brings one to a different place of understanding. Peace. WhiteCrowBlackDeer
    My dear.... some of the best threads, and not just on this forum, appear to generate little interest.
    But all too often that is simply an optical illusion. :-)
    Oh Wise One... this grasshopper sees with "new eyes of understanding". xo

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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    I somtimes feel that the awareness that we are actually spirit is there just waiting for us to fully grasp the concept and be it!
    Yes, it sounds like you do understand the concept. This "technique" cleared any questioning doubts for me. It went from concept of intensive study through reading Masters and contemplation, and doing the practice to BOOM! knowing without the need to ever question again in only seconds. And I here to say, I don’t believe you need all that time to study it before the experience comes.

    Quote Have you tried seeing with your eyes closed? I often try it and often have the sensation that I can see everything clearly. I somtimes feel that the awareness that we are actually spirit is there just waiting for us to fully grasp the concept and be it!
    I have and with my eyes open. Though, the understanding and experience is fleeting unless I am actively aware. In total darkness, there's no body and nobody. I turned a corner in the inner knowing. I've got some questions from below that were asked that may assist us all. Please feel free to add or not. I'm tickled that you get to experience the possibility for yourself.

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    Quote Posted by gaiagirl (here)
    Please, don't take this down . . . your experience was obviously powerful and meaningful and you were kind and loving enough to share it . . . I most certainly will try this and I am sure that others will as well. I will let you know tomorrow what the outcome was. Thank you so very much . . . with love, Lee Anne
    Lee Anne, love that you will try it! I've asked them to leave it up. I only hope I got to them in time. If not, I'll add a 2.0 version. And in the meantime, I've got some questions and it will help me get more clear in my explanation. Thank you for your assistance. Know this - in this moment, you are an important Teacher for me.

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    I've deleted because sharing this makes me feel too vulnerable.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Its essential to be patient here.
    Different continents mean different reading times--- also the number of guests who read the enlightenment thread, for example, greatly outnumber the "locals"
    Things of value as, this is, get found sooner or later.
    Best wishes Chris
    I trust your advice. And also because Chris is synonymous with a "Teacher of/with Soul". xo, Paula

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