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    Default Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Buddhism in a nutshell...the nut gets out of the shell!


    A little more detail.
    We are the fertile nut.
    The shell is our obscurations.
    First, we have to recognise that being inside this shell is uncomfortable. We are in fact suffering.
    We then need to recognise the cause of this suffering inside this shell. We then need to find a way to crack the shell. We then need to get out!


    A little more detail...
    What was just described was, in Buddhist terms, the four noble truths: the start of the path.
    To recognise suffering, find the cause of that suffering, find a path away from the suffering, and tread the path.


    A little more detail...
    Nobody wants to admit that they are suffering.
    It's unattractive! It says failure! “Why do I wish to admit to suffering?”
    Question: do you like being in a claustrophobic shell?
    Answer: “I love my life - it is full of love and happiness!”
    What you have just said is that you have decorated the inside of your shell, and polished it up nicely.


    A little more detail...
    Until we recognise our suffering, we will not want to break out!
    Being pissed off, angry, frustrated is the beginning of wisdom. You are no longer satisfied or in love with this servitude and compliance.
    We want to get out of this negative world...but we also have to be aware of leaping into an over-loving positive world in an effort to escape the negative.
    As a fertile nut, we want to grow...we do not need a sugar coating!!!...that is too sticky.

    A little more detail...
    The cause of suffering is our consciousness holding on to its beliefs, and will not let go.

    A little more detail...
    Just do it!

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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Our pure essence is covered in obstructing concepts, that is the prison.
    The prison is held together by poisons...desire aversion and ignorance.
    Drop the poisons, and step free.

    Ya, I know I'm still here as well...anyone got a file?

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    It takes a tough nut to break out Tony.
    When you break out people think your nuts.

    All joking aside.
    First I enjoy your posts immensely.
    Next
    I think that it would be well nigh impossible to break out without "outside" help
    The outside help, having realized the "Truth" points strongly to the inside and will suggest a process to remove obstructions.
    The teacher will have a high spiritual frequency which along with the words carry the energy of transcendence (Enlightenment)
    The silent energy is enough for the ripe fruit to fall off the tree.
    The Buddha silently showed a flower and one got it.
    Its our duty to become ripe.
    That may be openness to various spiritual teachers or it may be a structured path, often handed down by a linage of teachers.

    I have fluctuated between Indian Sages, English speaking ones, and just endeavoring to be fully present in the moment sometimes.
    Once again I am reading " I am That" by Nasargadatta

    Through awareness we become aware of unconscious wants, desires, being judgmental and selfish.
    These surface and that can be painful.
    However
    Shining the light of awareness on these without being critical of self helps greatly.

    I may not be a Buddhist but I do appreciate the little I know of it.

    Eckhart Tolle when the change in consciousness arose did not know what had happened, he then studied various teaching and finally asked a Buddhist Monk what it was all about. The monk said "No self---No problem" simple.

    So the endeavor is to transcend the ego (small self) and the SELF is realized.
    Think I have said that before----- a few times. smiling.

    Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Once one realizes that they are confined within the shell then he/she comes to the point of decorating or breaking out. Subtle use of WILL power will allow the tools to materialize to assist in the escape, after all they are in there with you. Just realize that the construct of the shell is composed of different materials and densities and once known are quite easy to navigate through. Once we use our WILL we move from an experience of passivity to activity and a balance between the two will allow one to see beyond the shell for proper navigation. Every shell has it's weakest point, find it and start there for what's needed for penetration, if that is what is sought. IMHO

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    Hi Tony,

    I have some time on my hands this Sunday, so thought I’d play.

    Not withstanding what Buddhism itself stands for or dispenses in the way of wisdom, I’d like to pick you up on two statements in your opening post:

    A. Until we recognise our suffering, we will not want to break out.

    B. The cause of suffering is our consciousness holding on to its beliefs, and will not let go.

    In your first statement (A) you assert that unless we recognise our suffering, we will not break out. Break out of what? I am assuming you mean we will not be able to break out of our suffering; which makes sense since we must first understand a problem before we can devote time and effort to solving it.

    In your second statement (B) you offer a cause for our suffering. They are our beliefs. I am assuming you don’t mean all possible beliefs but just a subset of them. Let me see if I can narrow this down. Are they in the category of beliefs that we hold without proof? If so, the whole idea of our consciousness holding onto our beliefs being the cause for our suffering is also a belief of the same kind and therefore is itself also contributing to our suffering.

    As far as I can see, there can only be one avenue that may lead us out of this maze. If B is true, (even if it cannot be proven), the obvious answer is to stop believing in things that cannot be proven. I know this will ring alarm bells in every alternative junkie’s ears, where “discernment”, “resonation” and “feelings” play a large part in their quest for knowledge, but you can’t argue against logic.

    Having said all of that, you have actually made a very important point in at least asking the questions “why do we suffer” and “who or what is responsible for it”. A significant degree of pain culminates from actually not knowing things with any kind of absolute certainty. You can be sure that even the most ardent devotee to his religion will find some things hard to swallow but swallow them he will – alternatively he will bury himself in the sand and not worry about it.

    Let me put it another way. Why do we not have the ability to cure any and all diseases? This is one of humanity’s greatest desires and yet it eludes us. Why do we not have the technology to grow at will lost or worn limbs, replace worn or damaged organs? Why do we not all have a decent standard of living? Why do we have to wither away and die whether we want to go or not?

    To the materialist all these questions are nonsensical because the answer is obvious. The process of evolution has not yet brought us to the stage where we can conquer those things. To the rest of humanity, to a child who doesn’t understand, to the unassuming innocent, there is only suffering without explanation and so they look for answers in places like magic, religion, folklore, mysticism, angels, gods, light beings, superstition, spells and – dare I say it – whistle blowers.

    Am I saying there is no evil or ill intent in the world? No. Am I saying that there are no sinister goings on that adds to our woes? No. Am I saying that technology isn’t suppressed out of greed and selfish intent? No. But, however much relief it brings to the individual, to say that our suffering is as a result of the scavengers and evil-doers alone, which we must depose with immediate effect, is highly suspect and not one that I carry as an opinion.
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    Dear Bollinger,
    I think we are agreeing!
    If we are talking about physical suffering then there is no end to suffering, as these bodies suffer from old age, sickness and death.
    However, our suffering starts in our minds.
    The shell is our prison, created by three poisons...a poison prison!
    These poisons are our consciousness or minds. clinging to like, dislike and indifference, or desire, aversion and ignorance.

    The nut is our pure essence.
    Well, it's not really a nut, as essence is empty of being anything!
    I put on a video yesterday, which may explain it better.


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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Stuck inside a nut no wonder this forum goes round in circles!

    I love my life, including it's suffering. How would I know pleasure if I did not know pain
    (correction, I appreciate the lessons I have learned from suffering which is part of my journey , but I do not love suffering, I love my life of which suffering has been a part, but as a whole it does not exist )

    A really great nut to crack is a coconut, did you know that coconut water is actually very close in composition to blood plasma, so much so that sometimes they use it in blood transfusions. If you suffer from low energy or have a busy schedule, try coconut water ( with no additives). It is an incredible rehydrator, great for hangovers!
    Hmmm, I sound like I am try to sell something, but I promise I am not in the coconut business!

    In relation to an earlier thread you started regarding heavyweights!

    Heavyweight version


    Light weight version
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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Our pure essence is covered in obstructing concepts, that is the prison.
    The prison is held together by poisons...desire aversion and ignorance.
    Drop the poisons, and step free.
    pure essence is perhaps the same as Spirit of God


    so to drop poisons is to let go

    and let God
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    Hello RedeZra

    Quote pure essence is perhaps the same as Spirit of God
    It's interesting...as a Buddhist, I can say that I don't believe in God - but I believe in the very nature of God.

    Tony

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Hello RedeZra

    Quote pure essence is perhaps the same as Spirit of God
    It's interesting...as a Buddhist, I can say that I don't believe in God - but I believe in the very nature of God.

    Tony
    yes and i do think it is possible for us to experience the very nature of God

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    On the question of spirituality, while it is commendable that people have good intentions when exhaling their rhetoric upon us, we have to be weary of where it actually stands.

    Time and time again we find that people would very much like this thing we call life to have some meaning. Our faith in this idea is constantly being tested by reality which we so often forget or ignore? Can we not see that all life, almost without exception, ends in miserable failure? What meaning should we attach to a the life of an 8 year old being snuffed out by a stray bullet or the baby that is so deformed at birth that it fails to live beyond the third month?

    All religions, without exception and that includes Buddhism, are stooped in what is commonly referred to as spiritual teaching culminated over many years of history. To its devoted followers, it is intended to bring calm and resolution to life’s problems through anointed individuals and scripture accompanied by undertakings such as prayer or meditation. Why? Will this deep human desire to extol inordinate admiration upon gurus and gods never end? It seems not. So many times I hear the words “you have to let go”. Does anyone actually know what that means? If it means breaking out of the shell and being free, surely that must include the shackles placed upon us by religion. How can you break free if you hold firm that any religion is worth following? We are tangled in contradiction, are we not?

    If I walk into a monastery or church or any holy place of worship, I too am immediately taken by the peace and the calm it bears upon me. Large echoing walls, strong arches, high ceilings, beautiful paintings, intricate décor, colourful solemn displays with statues and grim looking sculptures; who could fail to succumb to its obvious charm? Everyone bows with solemnity and for one brief moment, we might actually forget that while our souls are being entertained by the angels, in the same instant, others are being taken away in the most abject manner imaginable. If you can reconcile those two realities, your path to follow a religion is wide and open.

    Those of us lucky enough to live in warm comfortable houses with gardens and lily ponds often forget the millions who are paying so dearly for coming to this world. Why? Because we are busy trying to achieve enlightenment.

    Sorry Tony, I know you are a follower of Buddhism, but to me it is simply another religion and traces more or less the same contour one expects to find; namely the belief that thinking or acting in a certain way will magically heal or cure the individual or even the world of all its ills. No, I’m afraid this world is one that thrives on toil and graft. Here, not only is there no such thing as a free lunch but we are often forced to pay over the odds for even a modest meal.

    If there is a guiding hand that is responsible for all this, I hope to be furnished with a damn good reason for it when the time comes.
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    The gnostics believe that the world was created by Satan and is thus ruled by him and his anchons, to free oneself one must reconnect with their divine spark/higher self. The teachings of Buddhism are closer to gnosticism than Christianity, given that there is an emphasis on transcending the illusion through a process of reincarnation, though not through karma. The gnostics would say the nut was humanity and the shell is Yahweh/Satan. The light/knowledge being the vehicle for growth and darkness/ignorance as our suppressor. It is the Archons job to keep us in the shade. Like Buddhism a critical mass of light/growth within the nut, will break the shell of oppression freeing us thus paving the way for us to become "god like"/tree.

    Thanks for the thread Tony
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    At the moment of enlightenment, the Buddha might very well have frowned and sighed, saying: "Oh my nut, how am I going to tell this to others."

    I like the nutshell analogy!
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    Quote Posted by Bollinger (here)
    On the question of spirituality, while it is commendable that people have good intentions when exhaling their rhetoric upon us, we have to be weary of where it actually stands.

    Time and time again we find that people would very much like this thing we call life to have some meaning. Our faith in this idea is constantly being tested by reality which we so often forget or ignore? Can we not see that all life, almost without exception, ends in miserable failure? What meaning should we attach to a the life of an 8 year old being snuffed out by a stray bullet or the baby that is so deformed at birth that it fails to live beyond the third month?

    All religions, without exception and that includes Buddhism, are stooped in what is commonly referred to as spiritual teaching culminated over many years of history. To its devoted followers, it is intended to bring calm and resolution to life’s problems through anointed individuals and scripture accompanied by undertakings such as prayer or meditation. Why? Will this deep human desire to extol inordinate admiration upon gurus and gods never end? It seems not. So many times I hear the words “you have to let go”. Does anyone actually know what that means? If it means breaking out of the shell and being free, surely that must include the shackles placed upon us by religion. How can you break free if you hold firm that any religion is worth following? We are tangled in contradiction, are we not?

    If I walk into a monastery or church or any holy place of worship, I too am immediately taken by the peace and the calm it bears upon me. Large echoing walls, strong arches, high ceilings, beautiful paintings, intricate décor, colourful solemn displays with statues and grim looking sculptures; who could fail to succumb to its obvious charm? Everyone bows with solemnity and for one brief moment, we might actually forget that while our souls are being entertained by the angels, in the same instant, others are being taken away in the most abject manner imaginable. If you can reconcile those two realities, your path to follow a religion is wide and open.

    Those of us lucky enough to live in warm comfortable houses with gardens and lily ponds often forget the millions who are paying so dearly for coming to this world. Why? Because we are busy trying to achieve enlightenment.

    Sorry Tony, I know you are a follower of Buddhism, but to me it is simply another religion and traces more or less the same contour one expects to find; namely the belief that thinking or acting in a certain way will magically heal or cure the individual or even the world of all its ills. No, I’m afraid this world is one that thrives on toil and graft. Here, not only is there no such thing as a free lunch but we are often forced to pay over the odds for even a modest meal.

    If there is a guiding hand that is responsible for all this, I hope to be furnished with a damn good reason for it when the time comes.

    Bollinger, I cant say how huch I share your view in this post.
    And I want to add that worshipping is just fear in disguise. LOL







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    Quote Posted by Tenzin (here)
    At the moment of enlightenment, the Buddha might very well have frowned and sighed, saying: "Oh my nut, how am I going to tell this to others."

    I like the nutshell analogy!

    Seems more like an idea of a wannabe. Its very good if one can
    realize the difference between a Buddha and a Buddhist. LOL





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    Quote Posted by Bollinger (here)
    No, I’m afraid this world is one that thrives on toil and graft. Here, not only is there no such thing as a free lunch but we are often forced to pay over the odds for even a modest meal.

    If there is a guiding hand that is responsible for all this, I hope to be furnished with a damn good reason for it when the time comes.

    this is one thoughtful post Bollinger

    and i agree the world is in trouble


    but it is up to us to do a part to make it better

    even if it seems beyond us to fix it


    some dive deep within to gauge the depth of existence

    and come up with answers to the meanin of life


    i am silence

    except for my above 2 k posts


    some might think life is about uppin the post count on Avalon

    but i don't think that ; )
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    Quote Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

    Seems more like an idea of a wannabe. Its very good if one can
    realize the difference between a Buddha and a Buddhist. LOL

    Jorr
    heh.. can't agree more! It will be most helpful for even Buddhists to know how to tell the difference between an enlightened being and a human being. Otherwise, many will continue to miss the chance to learn from one in their rare chance to meet one, thinking s/he is a sham.

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    Quote And I want to add that worshipping is just fear in disguise. LOL
    Couldn't agree more...but what is the relevance of that statement when discussing Buddhism?

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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

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    Quote And I want to add that worshipping is just fear in disguise. LOL
    Couldn't agree more...but what is the relevance of that statement when discussing Buddhism?

    I added that to Bollingers post #11 as Its relevant in relation to
    every religous or spirital systems, including Buddhism.


    Jorr

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    Default Re: Buddhism in a nutshell.

    Quote Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
    Quote Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
    Quote And I want to add that worshipping is just fear in disguise. LOL
    Couldn't agree more...but what is the relevance of that statement when discussing Buddhism?



    I added that to Bollingers post #11 as Its relevant in relation to
    every religous or spirital systems, including Buddhism.


    Jorr
    In what way is worship relevant to Buddhism? What is it that you say is being worshipped?

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