Why Pie'n'eal has left the forum.

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by CurtisW (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....

You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Hi Kathie,

Yes, that's exactly how it works. The posts from a given member can be made invisible to you across each and every thread in which they post. (You'll still see that they've made a post, but you won't see the substance of what they've written.)

It's sort of a last resort option, but might be helpful in some circumstances. If you're feeling especially antagonized and just want to tune it out either temporarily (it is reversible) or permanently.

Thanks, Curtis. Does their post appear to others on your thread?
You know, I truly don't understand why people have this need to disrupt someone else's threads. I know it's tempting: I often have an almost overwhelming urge to write on threads with which I strongly disgree - I actually did it on my very first posting on PA and got a massive rap on the knuckles from Sierra - so now I work hard to resist the desire to search out and destroy !


Oh, and Chiquetet -

It's an over-simplification to say that T has left because of one petty dispute. You should know him better that to think that of him...

Kathie

[Curt]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by CurtisW (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....

You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Hi Kathie,

Yes, that's exactly how it works. The posts from a given member can be made invisible to you across each and every thread in which they post. (You'll still see that they've made a post, but you won't see the substance of what they've written.)

It's sort of a last resort option, but might be helpful in some circumstances. If you're feeling especially antagonized and just want to tune it out either temporarily (it is reversible) or permanently.

Thanks, Curtis. Does their post appear to others on your thread?
You know, I truly don't understand why people have this need to disrupt someone else's threads. I know it's tempting: I often have an almost overwhelming urge to write on threads with which I strongly disgree - I actually did it on my very first posting on PA and got a massive rap on the knuckles from Sierra - so now I work hard to resist the desire to search out and destroy !


Oh, and Chiquetet -

It's an over-simplification to say that T has left because of one petty dispute. You should know him better that to think that of him...

Kathie

Hi Kathie,

Their post will show to everyone else, but not to you. (And not to anyone else who has decided to block seeing their posts.) But their posts will show up to everyone else, yes.

Yep, it's tempting to jump into the fray and cross swords on occasion; we've all been tempted, and in many cases failed. It's to be expected.

But I confess to not truly understanding Tony's decision to leave based upon the idea that his presence is bringing the Dharma into disrepute. Surely he's not responsible for the ill-advised, hostile words of other people. That's on them.

Besides, I think the people who watch closely will know what's what.

Please know that this is not a criticism. I would just like to see Tony back on the forum. But it goes without saying I respect his decision.

[cloud9]

Well, I'm very sad about this but in my heart I hope Tony will be back. Some of our members have said good by but fortunately they come back after a while, this is a good forum and they know it, well... we know it.
I agree some here are a little difficult but that's the way things are, we are all teachers of others and vice versa.
Tony, please come back soon...

[9eagle9]

Tony, isn't aren't repsonsible for other peoples feelings or behaviors. Nor is repsonslbe for the choices that people make. If the creation of drama was halted in this forum, it clean out in 15 minutes, and there'd be 25 people left, Tony and Tarka among them.

My self I have noticed an astonishing amount of people who claim to be adults that do nothing but whine because someone isn't babysitting their feelings. And they have moderation scrambling all over the place when they intiate in their emotionally driven control dramas. We've all been brainwashed, even generationally that we are resonsible for other's emotional welfare. We're not. We have certain responsbility to not impose our **** on others, someone has takne the ball on run with that one, attempting to make everyone responsible for them. Its sick really.

It's the non-responsiblity philosophies of our new disabling religions that do this. We have a zillion entites out there reassuring people they'll make them happy. Now these people have shifted this responsiblity on to their peers.

We already know most of this caused by these superfiical bubble gum new age religions that keep people in state of emotional arrest. I observe one man on here daily who professes to have a close friend on the forum and showers her with extravagant compliments. . I watch at least once a week as he overdramatizes something and I watch him run back and impose on his 'friend' so she can manage his emotional state. He's holding her hostage and its plains she feels responsible for his emotion, so he runs back so she can pat him on the ass, and he runs and creates emo drama. A repeated program of covert emotional manipulation. I found fascinating until I felt the barf mechanism kicking. I removed the person in question from friend's list, he'snot a friend he's a vampire. He's nice so that should excuse him from this behavior, right?

No. Not in my book. It's just one example of the emo drama of people who label themselves as spiritual and are anything but. They can't control themselves at all. And you can't talk about anything that promotes self responsiblity because they go on the attack. . And they resent people like Tony who has philosophy about self responsbilty, getting so reactive they don't understand its about self POWER. This is where the authority of ourself is, our power. He didn't create that resentment, that was instilled in him before this forum ever came into existence. Deflection , deflection, deflection.

Tony is not creating negativity they are abusing him by creating sickness in themselves because they can't manage themselves, and blaming him.

They do it to me all the time and I just have to laff. They can't do anything really, their babies. And some part of them knows how underdeveloped they are so they attack those who are more developed.

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Tony has asked me to post this.



Why I have left the forum.

I have to leave the forum as I do not want to be the cause of disharmony, or bring the Dharma into disrepute. I'm not angry – but I am sad that the world is in such a bad state, and we are trying to find a way to help one another...but people are still choosing to be so negative.

For example, there is a thread about, let's say, how a cheese sandwich could be made, and someone keeps coming onto a thread and saying, “I don't like sandwiches!” Not only that, but they are telling people that cheese sandwiches are bad for their health!

That is not a discussion about how a cheese sandwich could be made. These are pointless, self-obsessed remarks. If you don't like cheese sandwiches, go to what attracts you - that would be a positive action. Whether you personally like sandwiches or not was not the topic of this OP!

A couple of individuals frequently try to disrupt threads I write, because they do not like my approach. And they are unable to let it be. Their reactions are antagonistic, and destroy the flow of a thread, so others who may come along later cannot follow a logical flow of discussion.
I have had to bring this type of action to the forum's notice before. I have spoken to the individuals about this on PMs, but this is still happening. These are not discussions: these are wilful attempts to break up the thread. My main concern is it drags others into thinking the same way.

If you wish to see this in action, analyse the thread, 'Buddhism in a nutshell'.

These are not positive actions,: they are negative actions.
This negativity creates problems on the forum – it does nothing to solve them. It is a pointless destructive activity.
The sad thing is the moderators see this and do nothing: maybe it's too subtle.

Buddhism is such a vast subject, and I can only give people a glimpse at what it is. The true Dharma will not be found in books or on websites.
A true knowledge of the Dharma is found in the practice. To find out about this, one has to go to a Dharma centre.

The point is, how will you know that you have a choice, if it is not presented to you? That is why I write.
I have to leave the forum as I do not want to be the cause of disharmony, or bring the Dharma into disrepute.

I've made some really fabulous friends here...So long, and thanks for all the fish!

All the best,
Tony

[markpierre]

Posted by starchild111 (here)
Pie'n'eal- I understand the negativity gets too much to tolerate, but most likely where ever you go, there will be the same. We live in a diverse world, forums and all, there are good bad and ugly, but it really all balances out.

Hey sorry to isolate this from a really sweet post. I just need to make a point, I recon it's to Tony.

'Negativity' which is only fear, is poisonous right now to anyone seriously doing his stuff. Everyone is carrying their full load of fear already. We can at least dilute it a little if we need to gather up like this, rather than compound it.
It doesn't balance out, it gets more and more compacted until something cracks, and then everything falls apart. That's the thing all the groups want to avoid. I'm not convinced that's a bad thing and should be avoided. I'm making a serious point of refusing to avoid anything.

It's true, wherever I go there's not just a bit of fear, but I don't blame it on diversity, I blame it on laziness. I want to choose whether I want to handle it, and happily I get to choose. I would imagine everyone should feel that way.
Sometimes it looks like a big F.O. 'Handling' whats destructive is what we're trained as humans to do. That's why things have to become an Armageddon before anyone stops putting up with (we're talking about the whole world now you understand) insanity.

It's our own minds we're at war with. I could say 'and not each other', but it doesn't apply here. We're literally at war between whats tolerable to us and what definitely is not. Before we didn't know we had a choice. But now we also know that compromise is not one of the choices.
At some point you know what you're doing and verification is irrelevant. I'd be happy in a cave.

Nothing changes significantly until we stop compromising entirely. Then it's exponential. We know that.

There's certainly no judgement in at least taking a break from the annoyance, especially minds that know how to fully do that.
Who here wouldn't pick a nice holiday in stillness and calm? That's just as real as the contents of this moronic dream.

But it's not like that. It's really back into the catacombs to rut out more tombs and dig through them because that's the real job. There's a lot of joy and fulfillment in that.

But some guys will do that and some guys won't.

[christian]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Oh, and Chiquetet -

It's an over-simplification to say that T has left because of one petty dispute. You should know him better that to think that of him...

I meant to be provocative

The same issue surfacing time and again in multiple slightly different variations counts as one from a bigger perspective

[Forevernyt]

Tony, I'm very sorry to see you go. You were one of the first people who friended me here and I enjoyed your wit and knowledge. It's shameful that a few bad eggs forces someone like you to leave a place you called home.

Travel peacefully my friend.

“If it’s time to go, remember what you’re leaving. Remember the best. My friends have always been the best of me.” - The Doctor

[conk]

Man oh man, this is a great loss. Tony, I pray you reconsider. In the parlance of the Christians, What Would Buddha Do? WWBD? Likely make some sly observation that most of us could not understand and would need Tony to translate. Bad day at Paint Rock for this forum.

[Billy]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

There's a very nice forum feature that lets you ignore specific users. I suggest folks learn to use it....

You know, we've never actually looked at that feature...does it mean that whatever is posted by a specific individual never actually appears on your screen? So you can plod on in blissful ignorance of their comments? I've heard people talk about the "ignore" button but haven't looked into it.

Yes i think that is how it works,You only see a blank comment on the person you ignore. I have not yet tried it yet but have been tempted a few times.

I dont usually comment on people leaving threads, I have my reasons and one is that most leave because their ego has been deflated somehow. then the drama unfolds in the "I am out of here thread" poor me i tried to share my great knowledge but nobody listened but this is not the case here,

So Sorry to hear you are leaving Tony. And i agree that there is quite a few not just negative but down right destructive members here on Avalon, They usually never create threads of their own but love dumping their negative baggage on many great educational and inspiring threads.

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments, I know the mods do a great job under the circumstances but it is asking to much of them to monitor all the threads. Plus if someone takes a personal dislike to another member they can be very distruptive and totally destroy threads,

although i say "each to their own! and "live and let live" this is no excuse for downright negative bad behavour.

Please try again using the ignore link Tony, but i cannot see this working as other people can still see the nagativity and comment on that negative post, this i presume would leave you wondering what others are commenting about, and the thread goes offtopic again.

MODS, what is the solution to this ongoing problem

peace and may you always shine brightly Tony

[Tarka the Duck]

There's certainly no judgement in at least taking a break from the annoyance, especially minds that know how to fully do that.
Who here wouldn't pick a nice holiday in stillness and calm? That's just as real as the contents of this moronic dream.

Love it

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

[Tenzin]

Brother Tony! Your departure ushered the trembling of the Earth and perhaps in all the 3 worlds. Look at what you almost did to Japan just a while ago! Please do not let Mara win, for it is only human nature you have been dealing with and the Truth can never be blemished by anything or anyone. The ripe nuts will appreciate what resonates as Truths.

[jcocks]

Wow. Another extremely valuable member lost to the forum It's such a pity he feels the need to leave

I've thought about leaving too, when Sid was kicked off.... But there isn't anywhere else to go that comes close to the quality of what we have here.... Despite all the good people who have left of late, we still have a BRILLIANT resource here for our use, and it hasn't really suffered from the loss of any one person...

In fact, we could look at the loss of these members as a request for us all to step up the plate and help up the quality of the posts, to fill the gap so to speak. Each one of us is more than capable of doing so.
The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts, so to speak

The thing, above all, that has kept me here through it all is that this is my spiritual home, and I can't do without it at this time - I am having a hard time "out there" at the moment. Here, regardless of all the crap that people try to put out, I can still find my sustenance and companionship. All I have to do is look hard enough. It isn't hard!

I love you all.

[markpierre]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'.

[ROMANWKT]

My dearest Tony and Kathie

I was a little bowled over for your reasons to depart from us here at Avalon.

Firstly I would like to tell you of my respect that I have for you both perusing this line of discipline called Buddhism, by this very statement, I know who you both are, therefore my very deepest and sincerest respect would be inadequate for how I view both of you.

As you will remember I had my leave of Avalon for a few hours before returning back home, yes there was this hole, its called unfinished business.

You Tony, with your dear partner, have brought to us a higher learning, a higher understanding that many of us failed to understand its immediate value, and many as myself have struggled to find a definite answer to what is and what is not, and to accept that what is, and what is not is not important, its the understanding thereof.

Yes we have those that rebuff at what is said as a direction of a particular discipline, it is always expected in dealing with the mind, as we all know, we all have different experiences, therefore different views.

You my friend brought a most valuable key with you that you have persisted with in its growing attendance, its the key that is always included in your presentation that can help people to understand the finer details of what you have been trying frustratingly to transfer to people here at Avalon, after all you have 4 decades of utilising this key and its revelation.

I have read https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-in-a-nutshell. And come to the conclusion that we have spoken enough times of the phone for you to know where I stand on this view concerning religions, or in this case as you would like to be called a discipline, because you know I don’t follow any, and I do stand with Bollinger, because of my experiences and of what I had found of thousands of years of manipulated human minds, therefore its difficult to remove without great caution and understanding for what these that attempt to mislead in every ways possible and through anyway means available. And at the same time I have absolutely no problem with Another Bob, you may be picking on finer aspect that I do not comprehend. In my case I can only express the feeling in a most English refined way to all this possible nonsense, its Bo££ocks, that’s my answer to all who had upset you. There I had done it for you, I know you feel better now.

Concerning the Key, its probably the most important is this case, seeing that those that you feel have not the ear for what you are trying make understood, that key with use, and the knowledge of how to use it is MEDITATION, with use all will have to relinquish their doctrine as they enter fully within and come back relabelling themselves as part of this or the other, which eventually all will comprehend the futility and nonsense behind the labels that the Bu££$hitters of this world require you to uphold for the separation of humanity, our weakest point being separation.

Therefore I beg your to reconsider your stance here on Avalon as being very crucial to the forward movement of our Avalon family, and continue with a fresh outlook to the benefits of all here and the 60 + already doing meditation work with you already.

I know that you are a gentleman and shall do the right thing by us all, so please return and answer this message to you here.

If this fails to move you, its my birthday today, and I am catching up to you my friend, and that my birthday wish is for you to please come back and answer me.

My warmest and sincerest regards to you both
roman

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'.

Or sister

That sounds good too...on a more drastic track, could the "ignore" feature mean that that person is not able to post on your threads? Or is that going too far?

[Little Ishta]

I am appalled by everything that has been going on in this forum. It seems that no one has their own opinion to share anymore without being attacked. There is no openness of the mind. It seems there are still a lot of people who are close minded. If you do not like what is being said in a thread, pray tell, why bother with the thread? Unless you are a psychic vampire that loves to drain positive energies. Or you are just a miserable person who does not want to feel miserable alone. Or you just like to cause trouble.... be disrespectful. Once again it all comes down to RESPECT. And from what I have been seeing, there is certainly a lack of it. This forum is not the same anymore. I too have been thinking of leaving. What is the point of staying here where the negativity outweighs the positivity? I am sadden that Tony left. He saw the negativity as well. Others see it. And people are getting tired of it. To be honest here, and in my opinion, its like these 'trolls' are planted here to keep disruption flowing. I do not want to keep on seeing people leaving because of this. We have lost too many. Dark and Light. Light and Dark. Can we find a balance? I hope so.

[Camilo]

Farewell on your journey Tony.

[Curt]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

I sometimes wished that the creators of threads had a little more moderating ability in their own threads, for example, to clean up threads and delete offtopic comments,

I haven't thought this through, before anyone jumps down my throat but that sounds interesting...what do others think?

How about a flag system instead of thanks.

Like blue means cool, yellow is 'off topic' and red is 'I'm seeing red'. Green can mean 'you just healed me brother'.

Or sister

That sounds good too...on a more drastic track, could the "ignore" feature mean that that person is not able to post on your threads?

meh.......not sure about that idea ......tempting though it may be at times....doesn't feel right somehow.

Others may disagree....

[kersley]

I somewhat agree with Tony. I sign in to Avalon everyday looking out for news. good news.
I read all the channeled information because it makes me feel good. I wake up the next day feeling a sense of hope, a bright future for us all.
You don't have to believe these messages. you take it or leave, but why spend so much time reading stuff you think is BS?
Furthermore why even comment? It's been said above. skip that thread and move on to the next.

The pattern is clear for all to see. A year ago Avalon wasn't like this.
I believe that Avalon has been infiltrated. Some have come here to destroy and separate Avalon. These negative members are not working with us but against us.

[sirdipswitch]

No wonder ET's are scared to land. If we can't learn and accept those of our own race, in love and peace, how will we ever be able to accept those of another world, in love and peace. I learned in the 3rd grade, that not everyone agreed with me and I was crushed. How could they not agree with me? It served to seal my lips and not give my opinion. I became a listener and never put in my two cents untill I was absolutely certain, of my postion and even then there were dissenters, which made me look even further into what I believed to be truth, on a given sbject. I then just started blabbing everything that I thought was truth and never ran from the dissenters again. I'm now sixty seven years old and the dissenters haven't killed me yet, so I figure if they don't kill me, then when we get done dissagreeing, we can go get a beer. It's good for us to stop and think with thier brain every now and then, to check our own status. Are we really who and what we think we are? Individuallity, is what makes this old rock go round. Thats precisely why we left 11th density to come here. This ain't boring. Lighten up, deal with it, and then we'll go get a beer and laugh about it. The powers that think they be, hate it when we refuse to argue.

Okay, let's go get that beer. cc. (chuckle chuckle)


I AM the peace maker
love and peace
sirdipswitch