Why Pie'n'eal has left the forum.

[Kristin]

OK, I'm just going to say it... Pie, where is your backbone? Look, just because someone doesn't share your practice and states an opinion does not qualify it as an attack. It is merely someone expressing their own form of practice... many roads to enlightenment are there not? You could have just said, "Hey, I know this doesn't work for you but it works for me. Thanks for your comments." then continued on with the discussion that was important to you. You can even say, "Hey let's have another thread about this." Your reaction is important for you to look at. Why was walking away from the conversation your reaction?

People expressing earnest opinions are just that... people expressing earnest opinions. It's a conversation here, guess what?!!! I got a lot out of reading the thread and hearing the responses. They are important. When a person has adopted a life philosophy it's just as intriguing to wonder "why" that is as it is to read about "why" that isn't for another. I found nothing wrong with either opinion as it was earnestly based in the life experience of both.

On the other page... can we not try harder as a community to stick to topic? When a topic becomes subverted away from it's original value to the thread maker, a new thread is completely warranted. This is in our control always. Mods will step in when it's necessary and do the same for that reason. Let the conversation flow... however, let's be aware when it's distracting from the original subject and try to do our best to conceive intuitively when that's appropriate.

Pie, you are great! We LOVE YOU! We'd like you back! Heal up whatever you need to heal and come on back over. Heck, I took a year off of this place, I needed it. But here I am, just as cantankerous as ever. LOL. We will miss you. Come home when you are ready... we'll be here with open arms. Or don't. Whatever floats your boat.

This is a felt loss by many, understood by some, and performed by one.

Best regards,
Wormhole

[Tarka the Duck]

Tony would like me to pass on a few thoughts to see if they are at all helpful...even though he has left


The unity of diversity.

It's through the heart that we recognise the value of diversity, in order to create a natural unity.
You won't get a unity within a group, because there will always be sub-groups formed naturally – but the heart will always be in unity.

Uniformity doesn't mean a unity. As humans, we are naturally diverse.
But the world is a unity in its heart.
All we need is to appreciate the diversity of expression.

Diversity is natural – and unity is natural.
Diversity is in the mind - and unity is in the heart.

Some like cheese sandwiches. Others prefer ham.
That choice is in the mind.
The enjoyment is in the heart.
You may not agree with everyone, but you can appreciate their enjoyment.

So there really is no need for conflict.
If we understand the relationship between mind and heart, we can see how beautiful each is.

[Mandala]

Posted by schneider (here)
Dear Tony, i think everyone on this site can relate to what you are going through, some more than others. there are days when i just need to stay away from the forum, the energy is incompatible with mine. but then there are other days that can be completely uplifting and its an absolute delight to be with fellow avalonians. you have most evidently imparted your spirit here at avalon and it is being felt by those you have touched. thanks for your contributions

I think you said it, like I feel it, schneider.

Pie 'n' eal, I always love reading your posts, they are directly from your honest heart. Take a leave maybe, but don't go away for good. We still need our ground crew. I have had to stay away for awhile, due to the cynicism, attacks, and negativity.

I think the breaks away, help us find center and come back with new energy. My goal on this forum has never been to compete, beat, win or put other people down. We are here to share and learn, and you have shared, and we have learned. Rest your heart and mind and please return to us.

[Kristin]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Tony would like me to pass on a few thoughts to see if they are at all helpful...even though he has left


The unity of diversity.

It's through the heart that we recognise the value of diversity, in order to create a natural unity.
You won't get a unity within a group, because there will always be sub-groups formed naturally – but the heart will always be in unity.

Uniformity doesn't mean a unity. As humans, we are naturally diverse.
But the world is a unity in its heart.
All we need is to appreciate the diversity of expression.

Diversity is natural – and unity is natural.
Diversity is in the mind - and unity is in the heart.

Some like cheese sandwiches. Others prefer ham.
That choice is in the mind.
The enjoyment is in the heart.
You may not agree with everyone, but you can appreciate their enjoyment.

So there really is no need for conflict.
If we understand the relationship between mind and heart, we can see how beautiful each is.

I agree with this whole heartedly, I am just confused that it seems that Pie isn't practicing what he is preaching... or is walking away from diversity a form of Unity practice?
From the Heart,
Wormhole

ps, this is an earnest question. Not a confrontational one.

[<8>]

Hi Tony...

I want to thank you for being an inspiration in my life and I will always remember you, thanks
I have to admit it was thanks to you, I expressed my darker side to day:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...59-Retribution

Live your life fearless my friend..

..8..

[gripreaper]

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)
Look, here's another pie. An Ides of March one.
Heart-burn material.
Take a Rennies, have another cuppa and see ya tomorrow!

Bingo. yes, the energy emerging this month is very strong and it's shaking things up and it is perturbed. Here is my take on it from another thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...161#post443161

This too shall pass. Where else you gonna go?

[greybeard]

I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitorin...iplots_gsn.php

[gripreaper]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitorin...iplots_gsn.php

This is exactly what I'm saying Chris. These energies we are facing are energies we have not had or felt for thousands of years. It's not going to be pretty or smooth. Time to bring all of our energy blocks into the light of day. Pineal is one who has done most of the work and he should be respected as a wayshower. Buddhism is a great discipline for working on clearing your stuff.

were all "workin it" more so now than ever.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitorin...iplots_gsn.php

Wow, Chris. I'd say spot on topic! I'm one state over from MA and there's lots and lots of activity. And my dog is demanding, ran out the door without a leash never does that. And I'm all over the map emotionally, too. So VBT - very big thanks!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
Tony has asked me to post this.

I've made some really fabulous friends here...So long, and thanks for all the fish!

All the best,
Tony

Well, I am a sad panda.

Sorry to see you go, Pie. I will miss your intelligence, maturity, and wisdom. I have to agree with everything you said. I've been wondering for a very long time what can be done about this. One of the reasons I came to Avalon was because there is supposed to be a membership filter. I'm not blaming the mod group as how they can really know ahead of time how someone will behave. But the forum does seem to degenerate month by month.

I do hope you will some back after a break, Pie. I'll miss your presence if you don't.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
I know its off topic kidna but the whole earth is being shook up at the moment.
We are affected by this.
Every graph on this site is showing earth tremor at this moment 5.19 pm UK
Chris

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitorin...iplots_gsn.php

This is exactly what I'm saying Chris. These energies we are facing are energies we have not had or felt for thousands of years. It's not going to be pretty or smooth. Time to bring all of our energy blocks into the light of day. Pineal is one who has done most of the work and he should be respected as a wayshower. Buddhism is a great discipline for working on clearing your stuff.

were all "workin it" more so now than ever.

Hi gripreaper,
I'm really glad to see in your post that Pie'n'eal is a wayshower. And I also referenced about the energies that both you and Chris are saying. This is part of what I had to say:

“...It's nice to see how much Master Pie'n'eal is loved. If he does not decide to come back, I know it's for reasons greater than Project Avalon. Sometimes, it’s just time to move on, and a reason unfolds either from within or from another.

Judging by the messages expressed, it looks like many have been positively impacted by all the knowledge shared. The way I see it, to return or not to return - Master Pie'n'eal's teachings continue to live on and multiply.

My two cents is would be take a break. See if there's even a tiny inkling in his heart that this is where his assistance calls to “him”. I think that’s most important. Take a break. Have some Ben and Jerry’s. Come back even part-time and play lightly like in his floss video.

Even masters are human. They feel the craziness that abounds these days. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they feel how so many silently weep, and mistakenly think it is their own anguish. In a sense it is, isn’t it? That’s the gift of a Blessed Moment, when the Teacher becomes the Student and the Student becomes the Teacher - and then All One.

This I know: Master Pie’n’eal serves as a Beacon of Light, no matter how far away he goes. It’s just his nature, or is it just the nature of things?...”

[Mike]

God, this is so corny.

i've rarely ever posted in a 'i'm leaving thread' because i generally find them to be emotionally manipulative and pointless, but somehow i've allowed myself to get sucked into this one, and now i'm annoyed and it's just too late i mean sh!t, i won't be around the forum for the next few weeks but i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing.

i like Tony just like everyone else here, but this just reeks of attention grabbing. Tony fancies himself a leader here--and that's fine--but when he feels he's not being recognized as one, and when he feels he's not getting enough attention, he leaves to make some sort of grand statement...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? LOL! wtf? sounds like a move straight outta Sidious' playbook.

Tony, you know that the forum overwhelmingly supports you--myself included--but not everybody is going to like you everywhere you go. You're going to find 'trolls' in your everyday life as well...and what then? Tuck tail n run? If you keep running every time you're confronted by nonsense you'll be running forever...a regular forrest gump.

a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.


p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[Jay]

Sorry to see you depart too. And sorry but I couldn't resist this...
Pi Day

We are about to celebrate the date that mathematicians most associate with π (why Archimedes chose this particular letter is a mystery). The day before the Ides of March is known as Pi Day, because the date, 3/14, can be taken as a representation of the numerical value of pi: 3.14 to the nearest hundredth. And of course the most vociferous cheers will go up at 1:59, which would carry us to 5 decimal places. Purists will want to refine their celebration by adding 26 seconds, and we will leave the extrapolation there. The frequency of occurrence in the first 1 million digits of π shows that six occurs least often and five the most. There are 811 more fives than sixes.

Read more at Suite101: Pi Day: The Day Before the Ides of March is a Tribute to Pi | Suite101.com http://jon-plotkin.suite101.com/pi-d...#ixzz1p7RQdxZz
Source: http://jon-plotkin.suite101.com/pi-d...-to-pi-a403422 Happy Pi day and safe Ides tomorrow

[christian]

Posted by Zebra (here)

Posted by chiquetet (here)
I don't like the coloured flag system either. Nobody likes to be called names and put down. If someone violates the forum guidelines this can be reported and the mods can decide on an issue, works just fine.

It is a good point you make about the flag system chiquetet - but are not the words people use in their posts loaded with their judgements anyway, about what they think is right, wrong or something in between?

You are right, but I think it's inappropriate to support that judgemental behaviour by allowing everyone to put red-flag-stigmas on everyone else... I'm for keeping it simple, if one annoys me, I ignore that person, if one violates the guidelines, I report it. -- Besides that, it helps to put in perspective, that this is an online-forum and it happens easily that we mistake where somebody is actually coming from or what somebody is trying to express. So when I find somebody is judging me inappropriately, I keep in mind, that someone might project his own distorted conceptions onto my virtual personality, so I don't take offense.

Point is, formulating and expressing oneself constructively and upliftingly is more difficult and more creative than simply judging others. It's the road less traveled.

[Billy]

Posted by Little Ishta (here)
.. I am sadden that Tony left. He saw the negativity as well. Others see it. And people are getting tired of it. To be honest here, and in my opinion, its like these 'trolls' are planted here to keep disruption flowing. I do not want to keep on seeing people leaving because of this. We have lost too many. Dark and Light. Light and Dark. Can we find a balance? I hope so.

This has also crossed my mind. I dare say that people are planted into certain forums to disrupt the flow of sharing and learning from each other. Not just here. Utube is totally inflitrated by them. Kerry is going through this kind of attack on utube at this moment. But to discern who is being just downright negative because they know no other way to communicate and who is being planted to disrupt the flow is difficult.

[Guest]

Tony you have my support whether you decide to stay on with the forum or not. You are a valued contributor and member of Avalon.
Remember -not everyone is going to have an open mind and it's not always our job to open it. Although, it would make for more intelligent and respectful communications within the forum and threads if they did. -I appreciate it when my shell has been cracked open a little wider.

There are always going to be trolls and tyrants......
This isn't a Buddhist quote but a good quote none-the-less, "A true Warrior bows to no one and expects no one to bow to him." Don Juan Matus

Love you Pie'n'eal

Nora

[onawah]

Tony, sorry to hear you are leaving and hope you change your mind.

I don't think I would have stayed on Avalon as long as I have if I didn't use the Ignore option when I felt the need.
Particularly on threads I started myself, but everywhere else on the forum as well.
Repeat offenders' posts don't even show up on your threads when you go back to read them, though it will show they have made comments.
Other members who have not chosen to ignore those offenders will still see those comments, and may elect to quote them, in which case you WILL see those particular comments, but that probably won't happen much.
I suggest that you give it a try before leaving for good.
That option is there for a very good reason!

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
God, this is so corny.

i've rarely ever posted in a 'i'm leaving thread' because i generally find them to be emotionally manipulative and pointless, but somehow i've allowed myself to get sucked into this one, and now i'm annoyed and it's just too late i mean sh!t, i won't be around the forum for the next few weeks but i'd rather cut my ear off with a dull blade than announce it in some silly attention-grabbing thread. come on guys, this is just embarrassing.

i like Tony just like everyone else here, but this just reeks of attention grabbing. Tony fancies himself a leader here--and that's fine--but when he feels he's not being recognized as one, and when he feels he's not getting enough attention, he leaves to make some sort of grand statement...and then continues to send messages through Tarka The Duck!?!? LOL! wtf? sounds like a move straight outta Sidious' playbook.

Tony, you know that the forum overwhelmingly supports you--myself included--but not everybody is going to like you everywhere you go. You're going to find 'trolls' in your everyday life as well...and what then? Tuck tail n run? If you keep running every time you're confronted by nonsense you'll be running forever...a regular forrest gump.

a bit of advice: generally, people that leave the forum for whatever reason think that they're making some sort of profound statement; and who knows, maybe they are. but here's the thing: nobody will remember it after a week. life goes on. and said member is left out in the cold, most likely regretting their decision but can't return due to all the pageantry and drama surrounding their departure. so...the lesson for today boys n girls: if you're frustrated with forum, simply sign out and take a break. come back when you're ready. simple.


p.s. 1 million cyber bucks says Tony is back within a week.

Chinaski, one small request, if I may - please try in your future posts to express yourself with a little more directness, dont be shy to say it as is, try a little less going around the bush and be willing to be more open in your views when sharing with others, being perceptive is also important, o.k

You got those thoughts right out of my head :-)

With sincere affection to all,

~*&~*&

Limor

[RunningDeer]

Chinaski, please see next post.