The Bible

[panopticon]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by panopticon (here)
G'day RedeZra,

I did watch the clip.
Would you like me to supply further information from creationists and related evangelical sources as to the errors in Wyatt's claims?
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

oh so they convinced you that you didn't really see what you saw then ; )


also creationists are compromised

G'day RedeZra,

Thank you for the response.
Please can you elaborate on your position in regards to the validity of Wyatt's claims for, let's say, Noah's Ark being found in Turkey?
I've presented evidence that it isn't Noah's Ark before but would be happy to continue if that's what you'd like...
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[RedeZra]

Posted by panopticon (here)
Please can you elaborate on your position in regards to the validity of Wyatt's claims for, let's say, Noah's Ark being found in Turkey?

yes valid

as i've seen the movie ; )

[panopticon]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by panopticon (here)
Please can you elaborate on your position in regards to the validity of Wyatt's claims for, let's say, Noah's Ark being found in Turkey?

yes valid

as i've seen the movie ; )

G'day RedeZra,

I'll take that as a no then 8^}
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)
Please justify your answer with the fact that the Hubble Telescope has measured the known universe to be fourteen billion light-years across - this measurement is ever growing.

it's a huge universe but how did they jump to that conclusion ?

they measured the redshift due to the Doppler effect whenever a light source moves away from an observer


but if redshift are not distance indicators then they can't use it to measure the universe

the galaxy NGC 4319 and the quasar Markarian 205

seem to have a close symbiotic relationship like so many other galaxy-quasar pairs


but this is impossible

because the redshift signature places them some millions of light years apart


http://electric-cosmos.org/arp.htm

[heyokah]

Mister Red Redshift,

shifting toward the red....

You have an extraordinary way

of bumping your own thread.



~~ If the lines in the spectrum of the light from a star or galaxy appear at a lower frequency (shifted toward the red) than where they are observed in the spectrum of the Sun, we say this object exhibits 'positive redshift ~~

[gripreaper]

Proof that the bible is plagiarized from previous beliefs and myths, and is based on astrological truths:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

[heyokah]

Over the past few thousand years, we have warped our own history.
Our versions of the past has been mistranslated, changed, altered, and skewed to fit our understanding of reality, and completely left our many things that we cannot explain.

Today, we are going to look at an alternate version of our history, a version that was recorded across many ancient tablets and artifacts throughout time, which have only recently been uncovered.

This story may be a little cosmic, it may not even be true, but you will have to decide that for yourself.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw

[RedeZra]

Posted by heyokah (here)


Mister Red Redshift,

shifting toward the red....

You have an extraordinary way

of bumping your own thread.



~~ If the lines in the spectrum of the light from a star or galaxy appear at a lower frequency (shifted toward the red) than where they are observed in the spectrum of the Sun, we say this object exhibits 'positive redshift ~~

hehe heyokah

tnx for bumpin the thread ; )


what i was trying to convey

is that the cosmological redshift

observed and measured in the universe

places quasars and galaxies

many millions of light years far away from each other


but as Halton C Arp former assistant of Edwin Hubble has shown

several imaging surveys of nearby galaxies seem to have quasar companions

but this is impossible according to theory

because the galaxies have much smaller redshifts than the quasars


i don't know if Arp is right

but if we can't measure the distance of objects in deep space based on redshifts and Hubble's law

then we don't know how far away stuff in space is

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Proof that the bible is plagiarized from previous beliefs and myths, and is based on astrological truths:

this is not proof not even hypothesis but just zeitgeist

makin movies to promote and infest conspiracy forums

with lame lies refuted a long time ago

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Proof that the bible is plagiarized from previous beliefs and myths, and is based on astrological truths:

this is not proof not even hypothesis but just zeitgeist

makin movies to promote and infest conspiracy forums

with lame lies refuted a long time ago

Lame lies? So the "SUN" doesn't disappear behind the horizon for three days before December 25th, and is risen again after three days?

Come on now, look up at the sky now and again.

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Proof that the bible is plagiarized from previous beliefs and myths, and is based on astrological truths:

this is not proof not even hypothesis but just zeitgeist

makin movies to promote and infest conspiracy forums

with lame lies refuted a long time ago

Lame lies? So the "SUN" doesn't disappear behind the horizon for three days before December 25th, and is risen again after three days?

Come on now, look up at the sky now and again.

the sun disappears behind the horizon every night ; )


wintertime

at the Arctic Circle the sun will be below the horizon for 20 hours

but at the North Pole the sun will be out of view for 179 days


so if you find the exact latitude between the Arctic Circle and the North Pole

you will see the sun rise above the horizon again after three days

[observer]

Since you have gone outside of your apologetics sources and done some actual research, Red, I'll recant my earlier statement of finalization regarding making any more comments in this thread.

Although, I am already well aware that Arp's work has been used by the creationists movement as an argument against the age of the universe. My suspicion is that you simply followed that path to Arp's work.

I have long been a subscriber to David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill's work, "Thunderbolts of the Gods". http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+of+the+gods+#
This is where you will find an evolution of Arp's 1966 work, "Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies". - if you have any desire to inform yourself of evolving understanding.

If you research into Arp's work far enough you will also discover that he came to the conclusion that the universe is infinite in age.

When I spoke earlier of the age of the universe being around 14 billion years, I was speaking in terms of conventional understanding. Nowhere did I bring-up 'red shift'. Arp's work, although quite compelling to critically thinking individuals, is not the conventional model. In fact, Arp has exiled himself to Germany where his ideas are generally more accepted. But that's another subject.

This brings me to the point I was trying to make when I stated:

I'll not bother to make any more comments, here in this thread. This debate is a waste of my valuable time.

Science, by its very nature is an ever evolving understanding based on evidence. Biblical theology is a stagnant mechanism of control. Theology is based on faith. There is no evidence to prove the words in the Bible are the words of God. This is all belief based on faith.

In contradiction to theological faith, the evidence indicates the words are the skillful manipulation of ancient text by a long-term agenda within secret societies that have always controlled the world - all the way back to the dawn of civilization. In other words, contemporary Christianity has been 'hoodwinked' by the Demigod that they are working so diligently to reject.

Going back to the first comments I made to you in other threads, long in the past, this is the evidence I've been attempting to get you to look at, to no avail.

Fear is control. The God of Unconditional Love requires no control.... no sacrifice.... no guilt. The "One True God" of the Essenes resides within each and every individual. All contemporary evidence indicates that Jesus was an Essene. The Roman Empire spent over three hundred years purging the Essenes (Gnostic Christians) from the face of the earth, in an attempt to quash Gnostic Christianity in favor of Trinity Christianity. Trinity Christianity is the hearsay.

This is what Jesus was talking about when speaking to the Pharisees in John: 8-44:

American King James Version:
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

This is one of the rare occasions that the word of the Essenes came through in the New Testament.

It is because of your inability to research the links that you are being offered - due to this stubborn theological stand - that I come to the conclusion, debating with you is pointless. The Ron Wyatt videos you present as proof of biblical accuracy can all be explained-away by simply looking at some of the alternate evidence - something you seem unwilling to do, as made apparent by this statement:

i don't trust our establishment because i have seen the fruit of their works

so PhD just don't impress me ; )

This prevailing attitude in your comments - throughout the forum - lead to the stagnation of your biblical hypothesis. You cannot prove the validity of the Bible by quoting passages from the Bible. This is circular reasoning.

The bible is a failed experiment in control. It worked for thousands of years, but the source of all your theological arguments are all proven corrupt with the overwhelming evidence against the faith-based biblical argument.

You are harping a stagnant control mechanism to an audience that is seeking answers based on evidential truth.

And therefore, in my humble opinion, you are gutter-plugging this site with useless rhetoric.

There now, I've made my point.

Wishing you Love.... for eternity....

[gripreaper]

Absolutely brilliant observer and so true and to the point. Just clicking on "thanks" doesn't do justice to your well thought out and accurate post.

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the sun disappears behind the horizon every night ; ) wintertime at the Arctic Circle the sun will be below the horizon for 20 hours but at the North Pole the sun will be out of view for 179 days so if you find the exact latitude between the Arctic Circle and the North Pole you will see the sun rise above the horizon again after three days

Your missing the point. The longitude and latitude of the earliest of civilizations was along the meridian and the equator, and these beings were concerned about the life giving force from the SUN, from which they developed beliefs and rituals. These pagan beliefs and rituals of survival fear became imbedded into the subsequent cultures and beliefs, such as the Roman's "sanctioned" bible. the bible completely destroys the ancient gnostic teachings from Atlantis, which showed that the power was within and that matter is malleable based in the strength of the intention and focused use of life force energy.

Yeshua was an Essene, one of the last vestiges of the teachings of the ancient gnostics, and he himself said: "I come to bring you life, so that you may have life more abundantly." The ritual which he performed on the cross was to teach us that there is nothing that anyone can do to destroy this inner life force, and that death is an illusion.

So, this whole Romanized christian idea that we are damaged goods and that we need an outside savior, serves only the elite Romanized oligarchs to subvert us and subjugate us and make us appear to be inferior, for their own benefit, while totally destroying and eliminating the true gnostic teachings.

They also hid the true history of this planet to fit their agenda, ignoring the hundreds of thousands of years of history of Lemuria and Atlantis. The elite controllers do not want us to know the true power we have which is within, or how the energetic matrix of "all that is" truly works. that is why they set up the archetypes of a monotheistic "god" , which only started in the 5th dynasty of Egypt under Akenaten. prior to that, the ancient mystery schools understood all the different energetic variants of the rainbow and how the chakra system worked and how we create our own reality.

The reality they created for us in the bible is false.

[RedeZra]

Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement a few months before he died at the age of above 100 on January 28 2006

he told them that he had met the Messiah and that the Messiah would appear to Israel after the death of Ariel Sharon

Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke on 4 January 2006 and has been in Coma Vigil ever since

http://www.yeshuahamashiach.org/Kadu...es_Messiah.htm

three prophecies converging in time

the Last US President the Last Pope and the Ariel Sharon Prophecy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=11IgiUjj5_E

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the sun disappears behind the horizon every night ; ) wintertime at the Arctic Circle the sun will be below the horizon for 20 hours but at the North Pole the sun will be out of view for 179 days so if you find the exact latitude between the Arctic Circle and the North Pole you will see the sun rise above the horizon again after three days

Your missing the point. The longitude and latitude of the earliest of civilizations was along the meridian and the equator, and these beings were concerned about the life giving force from the SUN, from which they developed beliefs and rituals. These pagan beliefs and rituals of survival fear became imbedded into the subsequent cultures and beliefs, such as the Roman's "sanctioned" bible. the bible completely destroys the ancient gnostic teachings from Atlantis, which showed that the power was within and that matter is malleable based in the strength of the intention and focused use of life force energy.

i miss no point

i just told you that there is only on a very specific latitude that there are three days of darkness around the winter solstice

and not all over the world


the rest of your post is just unfounded opinions based perhaps on Acharya S

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement a few months before he died at the age of above 100 on January 28 2006

he told them that he had met the Messiah and that the Messiah would appear to Israel after the death of Ariel Sharon

Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke on 4 January 2006 and has been in Coma Vigil ever since

http://www.yeshuahamashiach.org/Kadu...es_Messiah.htm

three prophecies converging in time

the Last US President the Last Pope and the Ariel Sharon Prophecy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=11IgiUjj5_E

The prophet's (today we call them channelers) never said that the prophesies were immutable. What they DID say, was that I am remote viewing into the future, and if you stay on the path you are on, then this would be the most likely outcome. The idea that prophesy is immutable was sold and foisted upon the people by the elite Roman oligarchs who changed and compiled the ancient scrolls at the Council of Nicaea, into their playbook called the bible. It benefits these oligarch to keep the people in fear and to propagate such destructive events as immutable and to put such channeled scripts into their playbook. This supposed John, who channeled Revelations, sounds no different to me than Greg Giles does today with his fear mongering, and abrogating power to the Galactic Federation, or the other host of channelers who claim to get information inspired by St Germaine or the other Archangels, or directly from god. What is different about abdicating one's power 2000 years ago to the elite Roman oligarchs and their plagiarized and altered rendition of the truth perpetuated by their playbook, the bible, or abdicating one's power to the GFL?

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)
Science, by its very nature is an ever evolving understanding based on evidence. Biblical theology is a stagnant mechanism of control. Theology is based on faith. There is no evidence to prove the words in the Bible are the words of God. This is all belief based on faith.

yes faith plays an important part in life

as well as believing the Bible is inspired by the Spirit and Word of God


but it is not blind faith

as there are millions of testimonies about the reality of Jesus and the validity of Scripture

then we have the Biblical artifacts which the establishment are busy suppressing

Noah's Ark Mount Sinai the works of Ron Wyatt skeletons of giants etc etc

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

The prophet's (today we call them channelers) never said that the prophesies were immutable.

channelers are channeling spirits

Prophets are told and shown by the Spirit of God


there is a huge difference between fallen spirits and God

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the rest of your post is just unfounded opinions based perhaps on Acharya S

You render your opinion without any basis to substantiate your claim, while claiming that my position is based purely on opinion.

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

May I suggest that you actually address the merits or the lack thereof, based on sound principles, and refrain from attacking the messenger while ignoring the message, and basing your hypothesis on "opinion" or lack thereof, or the need for "faith" to substantiate your position, or that "gods ways are beyond mans ability to understand" or many of the other platitudes so often used by christians, without any corroborating evidence to support your claims?

If you truly want to convert others to your way of thinking, it would surely help to support your thesis with something other than the bible and it's contents.