Frequencies of colours and shapes.

[TargeT]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Most people I know have music playing in their lives almost constantly. I have music playing almost never.

Ditto, I listen to talk radio, though even then the bias ( cognitive dissonance ? ) bothers me at times, I stick to local talk shows where I can, makes me feel a bit more connected to the "normals" (which is a term I think I stole from you Modwiz )

[Dennis Leahy]

A couple of months ago, Modwiz mentioned using A=432Hz rather than A=440Hz, and it jolted my memory. I knew I had tried it, and liked it, but had the vague recollection that for some reason , after trying it out (on guitar), I gave up and went back to 440.

I couldn't remember the last time I had played around with A=432, so I decided to check it out again. I had recently put a fresh set of strings on. Sometimes I use a little clip-on tuner to give me at least one note, as a reference point, then tune the rest by ear.

So, I went to an online tuner (seventhstring) and had it produce the 432 tone for me... and was surprised that my guitar was already in 432.

My memory is good, but it's short. No wonder I have so many bookmarks, open tabs, and notes scribbled to myself. Then, I checked my clip-on tuner, which I had misremembered to be a typical A=440 tuner. It is a Snark, and I must have recalibrated it to 432 over a year ago, and forgot I did it.

So, what am I blithering on about? Hell, I don't know. Snark good. A432 good. Memory bad.

Dennis

p.s. Interesting thread, conec. When my daughter was younger, she had a bit of the grapheme variant of synesthesia, and I encouraged it. Now, she remembers having had it, and remembers some of the associations, but does not experience it. Oh well, use it or lose it.

[modwiz]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
A couple of months ago, Modwiz mentioned using A=432Hz rather than A=440Hz, and it jolted my memory. I knew I had tried it, and liked it, but had the vague recollection that for some reason , after trying it out (on guitar), I gave up and went back to 440.

I couldn't remember the last time I had played around with A=432, so I decided to check it out again. I had recently put a fresh set of strings on. Sometimes I use a little clip-on tuner to give me at least one note, as a reference point, then tune the rest by ear.

So, I went to an online tuner (seventhstring) and had it produce the 432 tone for me... and was surprised that my guitar was already in 432.

My memory is good, but it's short. No wonder I have so many bookmarks, open tabs, and notes scribbled to myself. Then, I checked my clip-on tuner, which I had misremembered to be a typical A=440 tuner. It is a Snark, and I must have recalibrated it to 432 over a year ago, and forgot I did it.

So, what am I blithering on about? Hell, I don't know. Snark good. A432 good. Memory bad.

Dennis

p.s. Interesting thread, conec. When my daughter was younger, she had a bit of the grapheme variant of synesthesia, and I encouraged it. Now, she remembers having had it, and remembers some of the associations, but does not experience it. Oh well, use it or lose it.

I use both a snark chromatic clip on and the 7th string tuner which I downloaded and can now use sitting at my computer. I used it recently when one thread had a cymatic note reproduce a star shape found in Sumerian tablets. It was a B note. Although I think i had the tuner at 440 although am not 100% sure of that. Since the shape formed while the note was still rising, my sense is that the pure note would have been in the 432 alignment, since the other one is unnatural. The 6th of a tone variance would still make the tuner need to pick the B note since the 32 'cent' difference does not cross the halfway point towards Bb. B would also correspond to the seventh chakra in the C based ststem.

[Bo Atkinson]

Way too complex for one thread.

My own starting point is: The wavelengths involved reverberate harmonic distances.... Distances which merge with distances of given shapes. (Like a loudspeaker with sand on top of reverberating sheet. A sheet with specific dimensional attributes, the speaker with it's own specs, etc...) I like Tesla's articles as a starting point for waves.

If anyone actually has Rife's docs, i'd love to see something of it. It's seems the MIBs destroyed his research and apparatus. Rife inspired much that we find on the web, but where is the original stuff?

[sdv]

I am in awe of the rich feast of information here. Thanks!
Shapes? The formation of water crystals and how this is affected by emotions?

[Alie]

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First off, great link there. Probably one of the best I have seen around color and its energetics. Also this is a good concept for a thread, IMO.

Shapes produced by sound and revealed in cymatics is definitely a subject I wish to look into. I would start at looking at the shapes produced by the notes of the basic musical scale, but using A=432 Hz as the reference point. There are different views as to the notes and which chakras they correspond to. Tibetans have a different chakra/note assignment than the C=base D=sacral and so on. Depending on which system you use you then get a color and shape correlation. In the system here, C would be Red and D Orange. I am just referencing here. This is not fixed info, but the methodology is fairly sound for investigation, IMO.

Modwiz
There are a few other posts that you have mentioned a particular note -- maybe it was A. Here's a question ... Not long ago you talked about one particular note's frequency was changed as the new standard ... would you explain the significance of this change. I assume it had to do with affecting humanity in some way. Was it done in the 60s ... beatles time period? And is it possible to reproduce the sounds side by side by mp3?

Also, this would be a great thread for alternative healing modalities --- homeopathy , aromatherapy come to mind.

A=440 is a relatively new development. Here is a breakdown of the frequencies on a piano:



Notice the many non whole numbers. Generally a sign of unwholesomeness. Go figure.
Here ratios are shown, significanses of these ratios are also a topic of discussion



The Stradavari violin was tuned to 432 and Vivaldi and other composers used this as their tuning standard.
Here is a list of the note breakdown in the 432 tuning. Note that all notes are whole numbers.
- Mid Low (1 octave below middle C)

C 128
D 144
E 162
F 176
G 192
A 216
B 243

- Mid (middle C)

C 256
D 288
E 324
F 352
G 384
A 432
B 486

- Mid High (1 octave above middle C)

C 512
D 576
E 648
F 704
G 768
A 864
B 972

I find it interesting that the C note frequencies in this tuning correspond to the megabytes of memory sticks under the gigabyte amount.

I will post this link to give some background:http://www.omega432.com/music.html
A little quote:

"The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings."

Suffice it to say that the A=440 tuning is dissonant from nature and both stimulating and aggravating to our nature. Since the Protocols call for constant war until 'they' prevail, this musical aggravation in a time of ubiquitous music would seem to be part of a strategy. How many videos posted here make us suffer through soundtracks. Two main purposes are emotional directioning and more exposure to the dissonance.

I certainly understand now --- it threw off all the notes completely. Now as a musician, can you play a song in both ways, and if yes; does it make you FEEL differently? I'm just curious. Also, to my "westernized" soul ... I can not listen to middle eastern music b/c it's very disturbing to me. It has such a different scale. But it's not that I'm prejudice, cause I'm of middle eastern descent, but the combination of notes "scrambles" me.

Also, have you ever thought about the universe/galaxy/heavens as being music.

Although I do like ME music there is certainly good reason to find it a little 'off'. The use of a diminished or minor second is a probably the most dissonant note relation besides the dimished fifth. For clarity. If the key was in C then C# is the minor second and F# or Gb (same note) is the dimished/minor/flat 5th. Diminished/minor/flat all connotate a semi-tone or half step down from whatever note is indicated. On a piano the half step up or down is whatever note is next to the note played. The white keys of a piano ore laid put in a C major scale. This may be gibberish, but it is an attempt to make all of this accessible, in some fashion.

Back to ME music. The scale structure and minor second usage in many of these scales is dissonant at some level. A lot of the hard core 'devil music' makes heavy usage of flat 5ths for their very 'wrong' feel.

Most people I know have music playing in their lives almost constantly. I have music playing almost never. Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level. There is a lot of positive emotional arousal, for sure, but it all comes wrapped in a slightly toxic delivery system. I now use 432 tuning in all of my personal music and as the tuning for just amusing myself on my various instruments. My keyboard, six strings and bass guitars are all tuned to 440 unless I am playing along with a recorded song which forces me back to 440 in most cases. Some heavy metal tunes a half step down, but 432 is more like a sixth of a step down. There is a system of 'cents' in music. A half step is 100 cents. The difference between 440 and 432 is 32 or 31.76 cents lower.

Yes I do think about galaxies and planets as music. I love Haydn's "The Planets". Pythagoras had a whole system based of music of the spheres. It was the relationships of planets and their orbits/distances from each other and the Sun, IIRC.

That was very enlightening. I grew up learning music in a surface sort of way, but I had a very interesting gift of being able to hear something once and then replicate the tune on the piano. I just never understood the math of it. But I am extremely sensitive to anything "off key", but not just music --- fake oils rather than essential oils --- man-made drugs rather than herbs/food/homeopathic remedies.

So, I'm "frequency sensitive" --- that would be an interesting subject --- who else is? It probably correlates to having different chakras open.

[Poly Hedra]

I've gotten as far as post no.14
From what I've gathered. 440hz is a dissonant sound that was introduced in the mid 1930's first and became the norm all over the world. All instruments are now tuned to this frequency. So if you want to re-tune your piano you would have to get is professionally done. Hmmm! Before this it was the 432hz.
The frequency of love is apparently 528hz.
Oh and from 440hz all the other notes become fractional.
I have tried to condense some of the proevious info for my own understanding.
Points to note. Did I leave something obvious out that could help?
here is an image to show the difference between the two frequencies.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by conec (here)
here is an image to show the difference between the two frequencies.

Conec, do you have a larger version of that image?

Dennis

{edit} p.s. A quick search, and I found it:

[Poly Hedra]

I never learned how to read music but I still learned a lot there.
Sorry about the basic quoting, never got my head around that either You know who you are.

"Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level."
I react quite strongly to noise, out of tune singing, really cheesy commercial music. I need to run away as far as I can get or I just become totally confused and frustrated.
On the other hand I listen to mostly electronic music. There is some that sounds very intense but there is a lot that is like electronic classical music. Since this music made with computers, how does that change the resonance/dissonance?

"I used it recently when one thread had a cymatic note reproduce a star shape found in Sumerian tablets. It was a B note."
Can you tell me how you achieved that? Could anyone do it with a few tools?

"If anyone actually has Rife's docs, i'd love to see something of it.
here is a website dedicated to him. It seems to have all his work on there.
http://www.rife.org/

"Shapes? The formation of water crystals and how this is affected by emotions? "
Yes, shapes and emotions. I guess most people have seen What the Bleep Do We Know.
So water changes its formation depending on the emotions of the perciever. So if water is sent the 528hz frequecy it will display beautiful patterns. Classical music too.
SO if we looked at the shape of 432hz or 528hz would we still recieve that frequency?

Can we create images that resonate on the most basic level?

[Bo Atkinson]

RE: from the first page of http://www.rife.org/

"......Most of his lab notes have long been forgotten about, destroyed or kept under lock and key by a few individuals. These people, for their own selfish reasons, are unwilling to share them with the world. ...."

[WhiteFeather]

I'm wondering if we tune the guitar to 432 Hz instead of 440 hz. would this be a half step down from 440. Lmk. PS IM Sharing this lil beauty from YT.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XsHHznFPfwQ

This one sounds like the test for the emergency broadcast system!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sDdC8caAnxc

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Cool thread, Conec. Here is a link to an article of a boy who is totally colorblind, but using technology that processes sound into color. Here's the link from a prevous post:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...714#post429714

[Alie]

Posted by conec (here)
I never learned how to read music but I still learned a lot there.
Sorry about the basic quoting, never got my head around that either You know who you are.

"Since almost all modern music is at the A 440 tuning, it is unbalncing at some level."
I react quite strongly to noise, out of tune singing, really cheesy commercial music. I need to run away as far as I can get or I just become totally confused and frustrated.
On the other hand I listen to mostly electronic music. There is some that sounds very intense but there is a lot that is like electronic classical music. Since this music made with computers, how does that change the resonance/dissonance?

"I used it recently when one thread had a cymatic note reproduce a star shape found in Sumerian tablets. It was a B note."
Can you tell me how you achieved that? Could anyone do it with a few tools?

"If anyone actually has Rife's docs, i'd love to see something of it.
here is a website dedicated to him. It seems to have all his work on there.
http://www.rife.org/

"Shapes? The formation of water crystals and how this is affected by emotions? "
Yes, shapes and emotions. I guess most people have seen What the Bleep Do We Know.
So water changes its formation depending on the emotions of the perciever. So if water is sent the 528hz frequecy it will display beautiful patterns. Classical music too.
SO if we looked at the shape of 432hz or 528hz would we still recieve that frequency?

Can we create images that resonate on the most basic level?

Regarding water. It's amazing! Regarding homeopathic remedies (note: layman's interpretation) when you "succuss" you are inputting the energetic information from a solid substance onto the water. The water is changed. When you take the remedy under the tongue, it finds the (disharmony or harmony --- sorry not sure which) to jumpstart your body towards natural healing, which is called the Law of Similars. Now here's what used to blow my mind. The more potentized the remedy/water, the stronger the effect, the deeper it goes into mind/body/emotions ... but this higher potency has less (or no) molecules of matter than the lower potency.

Here's an interesting link about making your own homeopathic remedies and helps you understand succussion and potencies.

[modwiz]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
I'm wondering if we tune the guitar to 432 Hz instead of 440 hz. would this be a half step down from 440. Lmk. PS IM Sharing this lil beauty from YT.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XsHHznFPfwQ

This one sounds like the test for the emergency broadcast system!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sDdC8caAnxc

432 is more like a 1/6 of a step down. A whole step is 200 cents, as measured in the cent measurement. 432 is 32 cents down from 440. since 33.33 ia a full 1/6th then 32 cents is just shy of that but roughly equivalent.

[modwiz]

Posted by conec (here)
I've gotten as far as post no.14
From what I've gathered. 440hz is a dissonant sound that was introduced in the mid 1930's first and became the norm all over the world. All instruments are now tuned to this frequency. So if you want to re-tune your piano you would have to get is professionally done. Hmmm! Before this it was the 432hz.
The frequency of love is apparently 528hz.
Oh and from 440hz all the other notes become fractional.
I have tried to condense some of the proevious info for my own understanding.
Points to note. Did I leave something obvious out that could help?
here is an image to show the difference between the two frequencies.

Here is the cymatic for 432:

Notice the hint of a heart shape. In the C note based chakra/note correspondence with C=base then A is the heart of 4th. There is a chart above that I do not have agreement with in some of its alignments. There seem to bee inconsistencies as well when looking at it in its entirety.

I am putting a link to the page that I got this image from because it is part of the agreement about post the image.
http://www.omega432.com/music.html

[Poly Hedra]

I REALLY want a Cymascope!!!

I had a look at the link, some very cool info about the geometry of 432hz.
For ages now I've been trying to figure out what a square might sound like. But after looking at the cymatic images on the site http://www.cymascope.com/cymascope.html I'm not sure there is such a simple shape to be produced through cymatics.

I see the image looks like a heart, but also a triangle.
What do you mean by A is the heart of the 4th?

I wanted to learn about shapes and sound but I'm coming to an understanding that sound comes before shape. Oh and colour!

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Here is the cymatic for 432:

Notice the hint of a heart shape. In the C note based chakra/note correspondence with C=base then A is the heart of 4th.

First thing it made me think of is the mineral/gemstone tourmaline, which sometimes has exactly that "trigonal" shape in the Z-axis (which would be a cross section of a long crystal.

(Tourmaline comes in many colors, and this crystal - pink interior with green exterior - is known as "watermelon" tourmaline)

Tourmaline crystals, when heated, give off enough ions that you don't have to "believe" in crystals, the crystal is piezoelectric and ion discharge can be measured. I have seen some goofy use of this: tourmaline crystal in a hairdryer, supposed to reduce frizzy hair.

This isn't just to throw a bunch of silly factoids on the table, but rather in the hope that it catalyzes some avenues of thought about that particular crystalline structure - and how it compares to the cymatic for 432Hz. Those crystals grow out of a solution, and it makes me wonder if the Earth was emitting that frequency (or maybe more likely, some lower harmonic of that frequency) into the solution. Seems like if the crystal started to grow in that shape (from the frequency that was vibrating the solution) that the crystal would keep building itself in that shape even if the frequency stopped or changed.

More questions than answers, but it got me wondering... :~)

Dennis

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I can read music (slowly) and play the piano (poorly), sing the same way, but love both. At some point in my life I realized if I put myself in a meditative trance while I was doing either of these that I could raise my vibrations and tap into magical moments of creativity.

Here is David Icke's vido on Sound Creating Matter:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oCmGjD9j9bU

Cymatics is the study of wave phenomena. It is typically associated with the physical patterns produced through the interaction of sound waves in a medium.

A simple experiment demonstrating the visualisation of cymatics can be done by sprinkling sand on a metal plate and vibrating the plate, for example by drawing a violin bow along the edge, the sand will then form itself into standing wave patterns such as simple concentric circles. The higher the frequency, the more complex the shapes produced, with certain shapes having similarities to traditional mandala designs.

History of Cymatics

The study of the patterns produced by vibrating bodies has a venerable history. One of the earliest to notice that an oscillating body displayed regular patterns was Galileo Galilei, who wrote in his 1632 book, "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems": Below is a video showing how salt rearranges itself when sound waves are introduced. Caution: This may hurt your ears you might want to turn down volume.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s9GBf8y0lY0

[Poly Hedra]

A lot of very interesting questions there Dennis. Crystalline structures forming through the frequencies of the earth. I wonder what kind of theories are out there?
This is a link to the wikipedia page on Sound.
Thought it might be interesting to read about the definitions as they are today and what is left out. Sound healing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound

Propagation of sound

Sound is a sequence of waves of pressure that propagates through compressible media such as air or water. (Sound can propagate through solids as well, but there are additional modes of propagation). During propagation, waves can be reflected, refracted, or attenuated by the medium.[2]

The behavior of sound propagation is generally affected by three things:

A relationship between density and pressure. This relationship, affected by temperature, determines the speed of sound within the medium.
The propagation is also affected by the motion of the medium itself. For example, sound moving through wind. Independent of the motion of sound through the medium, if the medium is moving, the sound is further transported.
The viscosity of the medium also affects the motion of sound waves. It determines the rate at which sound is attenuated. For many media, such as air or water, attenuation due to viscosity is negligible.

When sound is moving through a medium that does not have constant physical properties, it may be refracted (either dispersed or focused).[2]

Perception of sound
Human ear
The perception of sound in any organism is limited to a certain range of frequencies. For humans, hearing is normally limited to frequencies between about 20 Hz and 20,000 Hz (20 kHz)[3], although these limits are not definite. The upper limit generally decreases with age. Other species have a different range of hearing. For example, dogs can perceive vibrations higher than 20 kHz, but are deaf to anything below 40 Hz. As a signal perceived by one of the major senses, sound is used by many species for detecting danger, navigation, predation, and communication. Earth's atmosphere, water, and virtually any physical phenomenon, such as fire, rain, wind, surf, or earthquake, produces (and is characterized by) its unique sounds. Many species, such as frogs, birds, marine and terrestrial mammals, have also developed special organs to produce sound. In some species, these produce song and speech. Furthermore, humans have developed culture and technology (such as music, telephone and radio) that allows them to generate, record, transmit, and broadcast sound. The scientific study of human sound perception is known as psychoacoustics.

[Poly Hedra]

This is quite interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics

"Psychoacoustics is the scientific study of sound perception."
"Limits of perception
An equal-loudness contour. Note peak sensitivity between 2khz and 4khz, the frequency around which the human voice centers

The human ear can nominally hear sounds in the range 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz (20 kHz). The upper limit tends to decrease with age; most adults are unable to hear above 16 kHz. The lowest frequency that has been identified as a musical tone is 12 Hz under ideal laboratory conditions.[5] Tones between 4 and 16 Hz can be perceived via the body's sense of touch."

This is worth reading about too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats