The Bible

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the rest of your post is just unfounded opinions based perhaps on Acharya S

You render your opinion without any basis to substantiate your claim, while claiming that my position is based purely on opinion.

i think i have shown my opinion in this thread and it is in line with Scripture

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

The prophet's (today we call them channelers) never said that the prophesies were immutable.

channelers are channeling spirits

Prophets are told and shown by the Spirit of God


there is a huge difference between fallen spirits and God

Oh boy, I find it quite challenging to find a context from which to address any of this content. The above response is purely YOUR opinion and IS NOT based on truth. To say that there is a distinction between channelers and prophets based on channelers channeling entities and prophets being inspired by god, is fallacious and unfounded and strictly YOUR opinion, not factual and based in truth.

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
i think i have shown my opinion in this thread and it is in line with Scripture

OK, I think i "get it". You base your belief and your entire existence on your opinion of scripture and are choosing to not look at or answer anything which does not align with your belief system.

Ok then, I guess it's time for me to "move on" and you might just as well attract other believers who believe just as you do to this thread and you can emulate each other and do whatever it is that you do when your with others of similar mindset.

Yet Avalon is a place to discuss ideas and try to advance one's perspective on things through discourse and study. That's not happening at all in this thread.

Time to once again bail on this thread.

[Beren]

Against or pro Bible people are using the same type of circular arguments while accusing the other side of being wrong.
It should be noted that what Observer and gripreaper wrote is actually an opinion against the church (all denominations) .

When you talk about Bible said this or that it`s actually some church said this or that and you will find that if Catholic church and all others were purely following Bible their history would not be bloody and distasteful.

There wouldn`t be many churches but one . First Christians were not a religion but they became when infiltrated elements brought Babylonian system in the movement. Then they shifted focus from being THE church in God to being IN THE church of God.

And yes it`s all there written in Bible for us to see the whole undertaking project.
That`s the prime example here of how Satan turns into angel of light.

It takes the cloak of being the Church and cloak as Bible follower institution when infact is far away from it.
Then it grows as yeast until in time people stop reading scriptures to confirm info , stop being in unity with God , needing the middle men to explain the "mystery" and such. That`s silly when in fact you didn`t need anyone to explain the "mystery" for there is no mystery in love of God. But false angel of light sneaked the info into various minds who became weak for giving up the inherited power of God.
Christ liberated us and Babylonian system enslaved us again .


It was a distorted choice of fallen mind.

And Bible isn`t the one to blame as many suggest. It`s the spirit of lie and deceit who enacted the transformation with lies and deceit.

Why?

To usurp free will and soul energy to itself to grow as cancer cells do.
It can grow further along as souls in ignorance give it freely its own core energy to thrive.

And when you look from the high point we should name things as they are.
Modern science is as blind as religion and is governed by PTB. Through all history.

So you would rather believe (for it`s a matter of theory in which they operate today- not facts) fundamentalist scientist or fundamentalist religionist?

Neither is right .

God is higher than all. And we keep trying to limit it.

[Beren]

Gripreaper , why do you want to bail out from this thread?
Because your opinion is not accepted as the only truth here?

Do you want a debate and reasoning as you stated or you wish that it should be according to your opinion?

Avalon is wonderful place for opposing attitudes and this thread is a good example.
I don`t know why some freak out when RedeZra post some pieces according to his own opinion and then come in scream persuading that RedeZra is actually a nut for having his opinion.

What makes you a non nut?

What makes your opinion more valid?


All I am saying is take for example Panopticon and his posts, he never threw a bolt to anyone opposing his views and he disagrees with Red and yet some are throwing thunders.

I value your comments aswell as others here and trust me I wouldn`t take heed to bother a reply to you if I don`t care for you as soul.
Everyone has to ask a question of WHY?

And that`s our own right.

Be wise, question everything, prove everything so you would not be deceived by deceiving spirit. Above all respect other souls for they are valuable as you are before God. You wouldn`t be here at all if you don`t have something valuable to say and I salute you and respect you for that.

[observer]

Posted by Beren (here)
Against or pro Bible people are using the same type of circular arguments while accusing the other side of being wrong.
It should be noted that what Observer and gripreaper wrote is actually an opinion against the church (all denominations).

You are misrepresenting my words, Beren.

In all things, I am pro-evidence. You are interpreting the evidence I am presenting as "against the church". This could not be further from the facts.

The Bible is the document in question here. The contemporary church, in all its myriad forms, is a result of the Bible.

• The evidence that is being presented, here, clearly indicates that the Bible was contrived by the Roman Empire just a few short two thousand years ago.
  
• The evidence is also suggesting the history of mankind goes back tens of thousands of years, if not more.
  
• The evidence suggests many thousands of years of religious thought preceded the editing of the Bible into the alleged word of God that is accepted by the resulting Christian churches of many denominations as just that.

It is perfectly reasonable to hold the Bible as your own personal belief system. It is when you start evangelizing on public forums that the accuracy of your belief system is subject to question.

Posted by Beren (here)
Gripreaper , why do you want to bail out from this thread?

I believe you have gripreaper confused with me, here Beren.

I am the one who stated earlier in the thread that this debate was a waste of my valuable time.

I have offered links to reasonable interpretations of the archaeological evidence that contradicts the biblical interpretations going way back to threads of long ago. The links are now too many to even reference. Go back and look-up some of these references yourself.

Red refuses to look at this evidence, or if he has, his comments do not reflect his gaining any new understanding from the evidence presented.

This is why I say this debate is a waste of my precious time.

[Beren]

Observer ,

I see your point about Bible but along with your reply -you gave the answer yourself.
It`s not about Bible - it`s about interpretations of first Babylonian infiltrators ,then same guys in Roman cloak and Vatican today.

Even in the version that you can read today which is as you say made by Roman councils you are to find that THEY aren`t following the Bible at all.
It`s not about does Bible say this or that but vague interpretations of low conscience men who are and were PTB.

When you read Bible with a knowledge about many things such as mathematics,astronomy,languages and history etc. you simply connect the dots easily. But when you read Bible with closed perspective - the book looks like third rate novel.

It`s not about the book- all is in the eye of the beholder.

There are far too many scholars who respect the Bible and find amazing things in it and so they can be ignored by mainstream attitude.
And there are a lot of ones who disagree with bible and that`s OK. Human choice.

It`s again about us and our current understanding of life past and present and our power.
Where our level of understanding is there lies our judgement or discernment.

Too many do not grasp the big picture written in Bible .
It was never about rules and laws ... it was never about who said what and other arguments .
It was about man and his and hers returning to unity with Source of life from duality experience and its dimensions.

Christ is a perfect example of how to BE.
We are called to BE aswell.

Regarding mixing you with gripreaper , I am sorry .
But he also wants to bail out.

This isn`t a time for bailing out . It`s time to bail in and uncover who we are and since this book is a paramount piece of our lives on Earth , let`s see why it is so.
Why so many love and hate it?

Why?

Let`s dig in and find answers.
Red is the tough one to argue against and he is using arguments as ping pong as I see it. But that`s all OK since that`s his style as you have yours.

Key is to harmonize our game here.

No one is here because of vanity. We just try to figure out the eternal WHY?


See greatest dichotomy is that everybody is right here and everybody fails aswell. As long as we see the existence from one tiny point of view - our vista is very limited.

Let`s broaden our vista . Jesus healed at sabbath which was a deadly offense by the system then - he didn`t care for the system.
He was living God then because he was united with Source of life.

We are living Gods when we are united with the source of life.
When we trust in Christ we trust in the power behind, the life and love itself.
In Christ we saw the eternity which enabled him to BE.

Christ without Father or Source is nothing and worshiping Christ is wrong it terms of be blind and worshiping him. Christ didn`t show us that- he showed us to not worship anything , showed us to BE !

God is a spirit and doesn`t need anything we might think. But a key that opens any door is love and you must BE Love. Not to love , you must BE Love.

Bible is just a tool , one of many. In wrong hands it becomes deadly.
As many became.



As your name is here Observer, observe and connect the dots.
See and BE !

[observer]

Posted by Beren (here)
[....snip]
As your name is here Observer, observe and connect the dots.
See and BE !

First hour of a 2 hour interview with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell:

download mp3

Beren, my brother,

If you do nothing else, listen to the first hour of this interview all the way through.

This is what I'm talking about. Very little of what you said in the above quote is relavant to the understanding I'm presenting here.

I could fill this whole page with links, but just listen carefully to this one. If you seek further clarification, please advise me, and I will be happy to flood the thread with pertinent documentation.

Wishing you Love.... for eternity....

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

The prophet's (today we call them channelers) never said that the prophesies were immutable.

channelers are channeling spirits

Prophets are told and shown by the Spirit of God


there is a huge difference between fallen spirits and God

Oh boy, I find it quite challenging to find a context from which to address any of this content. The above response is purely YOUR opinion and IS NOT based on truth. To say that there is a distinction between channelers and prophets based on channelers channeling entities and prophets being inspired by god, is fallacious and unfounded and strictly YOUR opinion, not factual and based in truth.

yes it is my opinion based on the Bible



Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

and every spirit that does not confess that [fn] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the [spirit] of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. - 1 John 4:1-3


not every spirit is from God ?!

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
i think i have shown my opinion in this thread and it is in line with Scripture

OK, I think i "get it". You base your belief and your entire existence on your opinion of scripture and are choosing to not look at or answer anything which does not align with your belief system.

Yet Avalon is a place to discuss ideas and try to advance one's perspective on things through discourse and study. That's not happening at all in this thread.

Time to once again bail on this thread.

get a grip reaper ; )


you have to do better than postin refuted zeitgeist movies and Acharya S lies

for me to take your ideas against Scripture seriously

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)

In all things, I am pro-evidence. You are interpreting the evidence I am presenting as "against the church". This could not be further from the facts.

how can you be pro-evidence when you believe Josephus wrote the Bible ?

[Solstyse]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
[....snip]
As your name is here Observer, observe and connect the dots.
See and BE !

First hour of a 2 hour interview with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell:

download mp3

Beren, my brother,

If you do nothing else, listen to the first hour of this interview all the way through.

This is what I'm talking about. Very little of what you said in the above quote is relavant to the understanding I'm presenting here.

I could fill this whole page with links, but just listen carefully to this one. If you seek further clarification, please advise me, and I will be happy to flood the thread with pertinent documentation.

Wishing you Love.... for eternity....

I was going to post something here, but then I saw

DON'T FEED THE REPTILES

not to derail thread, but does that mean you believe in the reptilian alien theory?

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)
The God of Unconditional Love requires no control.... no sacrifice.... no guilt.

the Bible does not portray Jesus as an unconditional loving being at all

from where did this Unconditional Love mantra originate ?

it sure isen't Scriptural

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)

If you do nothing else, listen to the first hour of this interview all the way through.

i think Farrell forgot to tell you about the Nephilim in Canaan


now that's an assignment for you

find out who the Nephilim were

as Jesus hints to their return in our time

[Solstyse]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by observer (here)

If you do nothing else, listen to the first hour of this interview all the way through.

i think Farrell forgot to tell you about the Nephilim in Canaan


now that's an assignment for you

find out who the Nephilim were

as Jesus hints to their return in our time

Nephilim ( much like Lilith about 10 years ago ) is just a Hebrew word that the translators didn't fully understand the means. Chance are they were a tribe of barbarians to the north. But that is just an educated guess.

By the By Lilith means owl and not "creature of the night" like originaly translated.

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by observer (here)
The God of Unconditional Love requires no control.... no sacrifice.... no guilt.

the Bible does not portray Jesus as an unconditional loving being at all

from where did this Unconditional Love mantra originate ?

it sure isen't Scriptural

Well Jesus is unconditional Love and you know that Red.
It's just that some do not understand unconditional love.

It's guilt free but not responsibility free.
It's sacrifice free but not an obligation free.
It's control free but not anarchy orientated.

Love is highest order of existence where you are above any law and order for then you are Creator and one with it.
It has to be noted that when you raise in conscience you need laws and regulations basically as sign post along the way. Later on you don't need them since you understand pros and cons of choices hence live accordingly.

In Love you instantly create and see the creation in fullness. If you don't like it you can ever change it and that 's the beauty on the level of unity with God.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
[....snip]
As your name is here Observer, observe and connect the dots.
See and BE !

First hour of a 2 hour interview with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell:

download mp3

Beren, my brother,

If you do nothing else, listen to the first hour of this interview all the way through.

This is what I'm talking about. Very little of what you said in the above quote is relavant to the understanding I'm presenting here.

I could fill this whole page with links, but just listen carefully to this one. If you seek further clarification, please advise me, and I will be happy to flood the thread with pertinent documentation.

Wishing you Love.... for eternity....

I will listen it later this day or tomorrow, thanks for the link.

[greybeard]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by observer (here)
The God of Unconditional Love requires no control.... no sacrifice.... no guilt.

the Bible does not portray Jesus as an unconditional loving being at all

from where did this Unconditional Love mantra originate ?

it sure isen't Scriptural

Well Jesus is unconditional Love and you know that Red.
It's just that some do not understand unconditional love.

It's guilt free but not responsibility free.
It's sacrifice free but not an obligation free.
It's control free but not anarchy orientated.

Love is highest order of existence where you are above any law and order for then you are Creator and one with it.
It has to be noted that when you raise in conscience you need laws and regulations basically as sign post along the way. Later on you don't need them since you understand pros and cons of choices hence live accordingly.

In Love you instantly create and see the creation in fullness. If you don't like it you can ever change it and that 's the beauty on the level of unity with God.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
[....snip]
As your name is here Observer, observe and connect the dots.
See and BE !

First hour of a 2 hour interview with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell:

download mp3

Beren, my brother,

If you do nothing else, listen to the first hour of this interview all the way through.

This is what I'm talking about. Very little of what you said in the above quote is relavant to the understanding I'm presenting here.

I could fill this whole page with links, but just listen carefully to this one. If you seek further clarification, please advise me, and I will be happy to flood the thread with pertinent documentation.

Wishing you Love.... for eternity....

I will listen it later this day or tomorrow, thanks for the link.

I agree totally with your perspective Beren
Jesus came to clear misunderstandings about God and set out a new covenant of unconditional love.
Unconditional love is incapable of being judgmental far less send people to hell---we can do that ourselves unaided.

Your brother in arms

Chris

[greybeard]

Thanks Observer for the Dr J Farrel link---
I have downloaded

Chris

[heyokah]

Posted by observer (here)
[....snip]

The God of Unconditional Love requires no control.... no sacrifice.... no guilt.


First hour of a 2 hour interview with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell:

download mp3

So, OK guys, let's just listen to this interview with Dr Joseph P. Farrell (maybe twice....) and we will all get together, come together.... or what ever : )

[observer]

Posted by Solstyse (here)
[....snip]

I was going to post something here, but then I saw

DON'T FEED THE REPTILES

not to derail thread, but does that mean you believe in the reptilian alien theory?

Not to be short with you Solstyse, but it's all a matter of semantics.
What appears as a demon or devil to one can appear as a reptilian to another. It is two different ways of describing the same phenomenon.

And you are correct, this is a matter for another thread.