Sex at Dawn, an Anthropological Review of Sex

[NancyV]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by Cilka (here)
Where are the women discussing this issue? That's typical. If men feel that it is unnatural to be monogamous then they should say that upfront before marriage. Or even better, men can start marrying each other and they can cheat on each other too, besides they would agree that having multiple partners while being in a relationship is perfectly fine. A match made in heaven.

Does it actually matter what gender the individual is having the discussion? I prefer to do such things gender-less, so that the exploration is about the subject and whatever personal triggers might arise from such exploration is a side issue. I have Beings as partners, not genders as partners, so perhaps my personal perspective is different.

I have MEN for partners here on the physical plane. But I do have beings for partners as soon as I'm out of body, so I know what you mean. Here on earth I'm somewhat of a sexist and adore almost everything about men! I think genders are one of the fun games we get to experience here so I save my genderless and "Beings" games for out of body.

[write4change]

I was 26 when my first marriage broke up and I was very angry with men in general having been working with them out in the world for five years or so. ( To put this in perspective, prior to 1976 women had no rights to credit, bank accounts, insurance, and there were no patient rights. A husband could literally on his word have his wife kept in a psych ward for obseration for six weeks and she could not refuse any medication ordered by a doctor under those conditions. Some of this is addressed in the movie The Changling. There was also a psych diagnosis for women who were not content with their place; a modern inquisition for uppity women. ) So I was going to North Beach in San Francisco to test out the concept of becoming a lesbian. I was doing this because I was being taught even in current Psych classes that being gay was a lifestyle choice. Showed me how little shrinks knew. I found out there was no way I was ever going to be gay on physical basis.

I was seeking to just try something different; and as I now know, I am really into novelty in a woman's way just like Terrence McKenna did novelty theory as a male. Oh, and in those times and maybe these any woman proposing novelty theory as a rational idea would be hooted at -- one of the reasons I dig male geeks -- they are at least willing to indulge all kinds of thinking. I could care less if they steal my ideas; I just want the work done. Thus, I meet Ester who is an exotic dancer and I start taking belly dancing lessons from her. She is one of the most feminine women I have ever known with exquisite hands. I knew Ester over three months before we shared a bathroom together. It was then I found out Ester had male genetalia which were quite generous. I was not near as shocked as I was intriqued.

Ester considered herself a woman in a man's body and a form of karma. This was before people were discussing being transgendered etc. Ester would often disappear for weeks at a time and would be flown to very exotic locations to be with very wealthy Arab men. She was a very beautiful blonde. Arabs have special words for Ester which I can't remember and they are highly valued. I definitely would have gotten it on with Ester but Ester would have no part of it. Since she considered herself female; she was not into being a lesbian. Thus, she had relations only with men who allowed her to be a woman.

I also had a very close friend whose wife believed she was man trapped in a woman's body and that she was gay. She and her husband had an excellent relationship and very good marriage and sexual life. She also had never had any surgery or hormonal changes. But their whole relationship was based on them being two gay guys. The husband was an incredible man and he worked with all kinds of stuff as a very well known shrink. All he ever said to me was that she had been so abused once that forcing reality on her in any way would be a form of torture and he could handle it because he understood her and loved her for who she was--wounds and all.

So I learned very young at 26, more at 31 working with Viet Nam vets, and further on my own personal discoverys that there is nothing wrong in the way love is expressed. Great love and great compassion moves the universe if you accept the convergence theories. What is wrong is that we have been taught we should judge how one another's hearts should beat.

[161803398]

History 1950 to now from a conspiratorial viewpoint: 1950s -repression/guilt 1960s -- free love; 1970s --Aids/herpes; 1980s -- antibiotic resistent gonorrhea/cervical cancer (continuing to present); 1990s syphilis etc etc etc. And this is only the physical scars.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/epid-std.html

[aranuk]

Nancy that reminds me of a friend I had many many years ago. I am going to change names here so. Bernie was married for a number of years and had two children twin boys I think. He was involved with the IRA and an intellectual. Quite brilliant too and he worked with UNESCO travelling the world teaching people how to grow their own food. He was imprisoned in Turkey and tortured and beaten badly. Thrown out of the country and became one of the first men to go through the transgender operation. He became Bernadette and had a long relationship with a woman who was previously in a relationship for years with a man. Anyway Bernadette and Shirley lived happily together and moved abroad. I haven't heard of them for years. I could never puzzle that one out. So when he was married to a woman he must have felt like a woman trapped inside a mans body. But he wasn't a heterosexual woman he was a lesbian woman. Is that it?
I think I maybe figured it out while writing this.

Stan

[nearing]

I am posting this at write4change's request and she will fill you in on the background of it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gL9l1L_pzOE

[161803398]

I've never had sex that wasn't tantric but that's because I'm picky. I doubt you can get it with a "free love" bonobo mentality. Nothing against bonobos who are perfectly fine creatures. I'm just not one of them.

[write4change]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
History 1960 to now from a conspiratorial viewpoint: 1960s -- free love; 1970s --Aids/herpes; 1980s -- antibiotic resistent gonorrhea/cervical cancer (continuing to present); 1990s syphilis etc etc etc. And this is only the physical scars.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/epid-std.html

161803398, we have all heard these judgments and these statistics over and over. We know how that goes. What we are seeking is to find out all the things that we have not been allowed to know. We have no problem with how you have decided to live your live. You need to allow us to decide how we live ours and what we want to explore.

The poisons of the world are greed, judgment, and ignorance. Their antidotes are generosity, compassion, and wisdom. The convergence theory or as Arrowwind would say the open heart theory is that the earth beats at low megahertz that exactly matches the megahertz of the heart. The heart's electromagnetic field is 5000 times that of the brain. When 911 happened, the satillites 22,000 miles up in space showed a spike 15 minutes after the first plane hit in the magnetic field of the whole planet. That was the universe's response to world wide heart felt emmanations sent out from our bodies.

If you wish to explore this and other implications of what it means to share our bodies and our hearts, you are welcome. If you wish to express your judgments, we have all been there and never felt it helped much.

[NancyV]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Nancy that reminds me of a friend I had many many years ago. I am going to change names here so. Bernie was married for a number of years and had two children twin boys I think. He was involved with the IRA and an intellectual. Quite brilliant too and he worked with UNESCO travelling the world teaching people how to grow their own food. He was imprisoned in Turkey and tortured and beaten badly. Thrown out of the country and became one of the first men to go through the transgender operation. He became Bernadette and had a long relationship with a woman who was previously in a relationship for years with a man. Anyway Bernadette and Shirley lived happily together and moved abroad. I haven't heard of them for years. I could never puzzle that one out. So when he was married to a woman he must have felt like a woman trapped inside a mans body. But he wasn't a heterosexual woman he was a lesbian woman. Is that it?
I think I maybe figured it out while writing this.

Stan

Stan, I think you're referring to the story about Ester from Write4change and it was a great story! Wow,your story was great too! I don't think we really can figure out what motivates others to do what they do or to be who they are. I quit trying to judge sexual preferences and attractions many decades ago. Most of us probably have some residual societal brainwashing about gays or gender changes, especially if raised in certain parts of the US. There are times I feel more like a man than a woman but I also very much enjoy being a woman and I've only ever been attracted to men. But we are all unique. I have a lot of empathy for those who seem to be born in the wrong gender because all their feelings and attractions don't match their body. It must be a huge challenge and cause them a lot of pain and confusion.

[161803398]

161803398, we have all heard these judgments and these statistics over and over. We know how that goes. What we are seeking is to find out all the things that we have not been allowed to know. We have no problem with how you have decided to live your live. You need to allow us to decide how we live ours and what we want to explore.

That's what I saying in my first post, if you read it. Each to his own and I didn't like this guy telling people what they should be. I'm just saying what my experience of the 70s was and how it hurt many people. I don't know how you were never allowed to know this. Its already old news.

[aranuk]

Absolutely Nancy.

Stan

[161803398]

I feel like I'm in a time warp. Our high school had the highest drug rate and the highest pregnancy rate AND the highest academic rate. After that the high schools got the bullies and I always tell people that is because they tried to fix the first two things. So, thinking I am judgmental because I'm letting people know there IS a flip side to watch for is a little amazing to me. Something must have happened subsequent to that that I don't know about OR did the sexual revolution only happen in Canada? My god...my friend, Elaine, a straight A student was banging our biology teacher in the storage room every day after school and we thought nothing of it. Our gym teacher and music teachers were gay and we thought nothing of that. When did all this repression come back? I know...after we got the bullies. My objection to this guy is that he is approaching sex from an anthropological/psychology viewpoint which, I believe, is extremely limited and exactly what the PTB want us to believe.

I think in speaking we must consider the background of the audience and, I think, we are not on the same page here because my experience with society is that it is sexually very free. I'm not getting the repression part and I don't understand it.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
Does it actually matter what gender the individual is having the discussion? I prefer to do such things gender-less, so that the exploration is about the subject and whatever personal triggers might arise from such exploration is a side issue. I have Beings as partners, not genders as partners, so perhaps my personal perspective is different.

I have MEN for partners here on the physical plane. But I do have beings for partners as soon as I'm out of body, so I know what you mean. Here on earth I'm somewhat of a sexist and adore almost everything about men! I think genders are one of the fun games we get to experience here so I save my genderless and "Beings" games for out of body.

I wasn't discussing out of the body. I was actually referring to my physical relationships, which are not restricted to or defined by particular configurations of genitalia and body appearance. When I refer to 'Beings' it is encompassing all expressions of dimension.

I am with several partners because of who they are as Beings. Not because of a preference for gender/s.

[write4change]

Okay friends I have to take a break for a couple of hours. I just wrote a long historical progression of Tantra and lost it. I remain technologically impaired.

[nearing]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
I feel like I'm in a time warp. Our high school had the highest drug rate and the highest pregnancy rate AND the highest academic rate. After that the high schools got the bullies and I always tell people that is because they tried to fix the first two things. So, thinking I am judgmental because I'm letting people know there IS a flip side to watch for is a little amazing to me. Something must have happened subsequent to that that I don't know about OR did the sexual revolution only happen in Canada? My god...my friend, Elaine, a straight A student was banging our biology teacher in the storage room every day after school and we thought nothing of it. Our gym teacher and music teachers were gay and we thought nothing of that. When did all this repression come back? I know...after we got the bullies. My objection to this guy is that he is approaching sex from an anthropological/psychology viewpoint which, I believe, is extremely limited and exactly what the PTB want us to believe.

I think in speaking we must consider the background of the audience and, I think, we are not on the same page here because my experience with society is that it is sexually very free. I'm not getting the repression part and I don't understand it.

If you would watch the presentation in the OP, you will see this is an anthropological discussion. The question of diseases is a given in modern times and he even speaks of it.

I also must head to bed now. Night all.

[161803398]

That's what I said---anthropological. Its limiting. Sorry but I've seen so many guys like that I don't find them interesting.

I'm not disagreeing with what he says: read what I said about my high school --- ie. no bullies. The bullies came after they tried to fix the "problem". What I am saying is that there is more -- a lot more and this guy wouldn't be able to see it because he is limited....just saying. Its a bit painful to listen to...maybe like listening to Justin Bieber talk about music. However, as I said, he's not wrong in what he says. Just limited.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
That's what I said---anthropological. Its limiting. Sorry but I've seen so many guys like that I don't find them interesting.

I'm not disagreeing with what he says: read what I said about my high school --- ie. no bullies. The bullies came after they tried to fix the "problem". What I am saying is that there is more -- a lot more and this guy wouldn't be able to see it because he is limited....just saying. Its a bit painful to listen to...maybe like listening to Justin Bieber talk about music.

So then, with respect, perhaps this thread is discussing something outside your area of interest/preference?

[161803398]

No, really its spot on. I don't think people are listening or that they get it. He has a good point to make -- however, its a limited one. Its not the entire picture. A picture worth noting for sure and maybe something to be taught to even more limited people than I contemplate. Probably the same people who wanted to fix the "problem" of sex at school. I suppose if we are talking about the masses in the great belly of the curve, its an important message.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
No, really its spot on. I don't think people are listening or that they get it.

That's what I said---anthropological. Its limiting. Sorry but I've seen so many guys like that I don't find them interesting.

Just so I understand- you come into a thread that is discussing a subject from an anthropological perspective, when you don't find such perspectives interesting- and then you suggest that it is others that aren't listening or that aren't getting it?

[161803398]

Its not interesting because its very common and has been around a long time. Someone thought I was being judgmental because I was pointing out the flip side of the coin. I do think the PTB encourage this way of thinking. That's a point that's not gotten apparently. How we are manipulated with this stuff. I'm glad I missed whatever sexual repression has apparently occurred since the 70s. Its not a good thing however, I did suspect it because of the bully problem at the schools that developed afterwards.

Also pointing out its not the full story. Anthropological thinking is not the highest form of thought. Its a bit better than psychologists who are just one step above your garden variety psychopath.

I guess what I am saying is "bonobos" is square one. Why is anyone making a fuss about it? I didn't realize some repression must have occurred. Glad I missed it.

But also, people seem to think that we are being brainwashed by the idea of monogamy. I'm also pointing out that brainwashing goes both ways. That was the point of my story about the 70s.

[Kimberley]

I love this thread and will add more when I can!!! Much love to us all!!!