A warning to Alternative Media

[GlassSteagallfan]

By Anonymous

March 16, 2012

WE CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES!

You probably don't know me. My name is ----------.

I am sending this notice to every radio host I can find on the internet, at the same instant, to make sure it gets through without being intercepted/deleted by the "wrong parties" (NSA, FBI, DHS, TSA, etc, etc). It is unnecessary for you to reply to this, though you may if you wish.
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I have a little radio show I do each Sunday. Who and what I am is irrelevant. It's what I've discovered that's important to ALL of us who "have the publics' eye" (or ear).

In the past year, I've had numerous trolls posting stupid, racist, inane, insulting statements in my chatroom. Asking leading questions (IE: "what do you think of ______________?") - usually asking about another radio host or another network.

These trolls would also say things like "GAWDAM JEWS! WE GOTTA KILL'EM ALL! and WORTHLESS BLACKS - THEY NEED TO BE ON A COLLAR! You get the idea. I don't put up with that kind of racist chatter.

Then I started getting posts like "----, you ought to hear what that asshole Josh is saying about you!" and "The guys at Oracle were bitching about you" and "Alex says you're a Fed!" and "You should see what they're saying about you on __________'s chatroom!", and other reports of various hosts insulting/degrading me. And I would hear from other hosts, and their producers, the same thing was happening to them. Everyone is getting pissed at everyone else.

Seems "someone" is fomenting upset amongst all the patriot/alternative hosts on the radio - setting us against each other. They are contriving/creating statements/answers, then using parts of these answers to upset other hosts.

They are also passing rumors about various hosts on blogs/websites/chatrooms. All innuendo - no verifiable proof.

The sad thing is, that some of us are falling for this diversion. Some of us are believing that "person A said something bad against you!" and we're responding to these perceived threats and insults.

I have never granted these malicious rumors any credence. It's never mattered to me what another person thinks of me, especially if they haven't the common sense, or courage, to confront me directly.

My admins are quick to delete and ban these guys, but they just keep popping up again and again. I thought it was just the "cost of doing business".

Boy, was I wrong.

Using a few friends of mine, we started tracking their IP addresses. Seems ALL of these cretins had the same block of IP addresses, emanating out of Oxnard, California.

I don't believe in coincidences, so I had a another friend of mine in L.A. do some digging. Here's what he discovered.

The block of IP addresses is conveniently in the locale of buildings where the NSA has it's offices in Oxnard.
Read these links:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/03/report-recruit/
http://www.oxnardchamber.org/naval/index.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/cointelpro.html

We just can't "see the forest for the trees". We (all the participants in the "Patriot Movement") are falling for this Cointelpro that's being waged against us.

THIS IS REAL - so don't fall for it, but watch for it.

If someone named John Brown, Alex Hayes, Wanda Little, or any other phoney name calls/emails/messages you; calls into your show sounding like a "dumb hick", an ignorant "Latino", a mad "gay person", or an angry "black man" - and claims ANYTHING about another host/show/website attacking you, it is a lie and done with intent to provoke a response from you. They are all government agents (or independent contractors) and work for the enemies of freedom.

DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING a third party communicates to you about another person/host/website/etc. Do the right thing and verify for yourself. Have the courage to communicate with anyone who is supposed to have slandered/threatened you and find out the truth.

In 2005, a group in Northern Idaho was infiltrated by agents of the FBI with the intent to cause upset, setup members of this group as "domestic terrorists" and to create dissension in the group. Upon discovering these COINTELPRO agents, and to protect the members of this group, I disbanded the group.

Who was this group the United States Government had labeled a "possible terrorist organization"?

Americans For Constitutional Government.

Yup - sounds like a bunch of evil-doers to me also......

We are the enemies of tyranny and "They" fear us. "They" know how to manipulate us. Don't let them. United we stand - divided we fall.

For-warned is for-armed. Believe nothing you are told - verify, verify, verify.

PLEASE pass this warning on to everyone you know who needs this data. Radio/TV hosts - bloggers - survival groups - church groups, etc.

Source: http://wideawakenewsdata.yolasite.co...ativemedia.php

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eWYW0H7-c_w

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eWYW0...JMIps_Y6riI%3D

[spiritwind]

Thank you for this post. I believe it addresses an important issue. My husband was a Special Forces Medic attached to the Rangers Battallion for much of his years of military service. We were talking the other day about this very issue. He told me when he was in the military it was standard procedure to do exactly what we see happening when "they" wanted to destabalize a particular group leading to their eventual downfall. He told me all you had to do was go up to a member of the target group (like you were being a good friend or whatever) and say "Yeah, so and so, hey, I hear so and so (another member of the group) was saying/doing blah blah with your wife and I think you better keep an eye on them two". This is just a crude example but you get what I mean. It really doesn't even take that much because people are naturally suspicious I think so they are easy to manipulate if you know what you're doing. Most of us just don't have the background to recognize what's happening and get drawn into it. It does almost seem like there is a nameless something out there that uses every opportunity and every weakness to trip us up on our quest for truth. They are hoping any opposition to their diabolical plans will just evaporate because they think they are just so damn clever. We need to learn how to beat them at their game by remaining vigilant and not falling for the BS. Unfortunately I think many have become disillusioned along the way just because of this. Even if we physically don't know one another we can vow to stand together in spirit. I feel the time is arriving soon when this will be of paramount importance.

[WhiteFeather]

I believe some of these Oxnard Trolls from The NSA may very well be here on this forum as well. They could have slipped through the cracks and set up camp. Maybe the Admins could check this site for Oxnard Trolls from their Ip address. Especially the troublemakers on the forum.

[KosmicKat]

Divide and conquer. Keep those lights on people.

[Hervé]

First renown whistleblower on the subject as Standard Operating Procedure of TPTW:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli


Portrait of Niccolò Machiavelli by Santi di

He wrote his masterpiece, The Prince, after the Medici had recovered power and he no longer held a position of responsibility in Florence.

[Curt]

The Twilight Zone episode, 'The Monsters are Due on Maple Street' illustrates how divide and conquer is accomplished by pitting people against one another by using their biases and paranoia against them. I posted it in another thread recently, but it's worth posting again as it seems to be especially relevant now...

Plus, it's just a great episode. (Most of them are great, but this one especially.) So, for those who have 20 minutes to spare, enjoy...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gPQtbIEofRg

[Billy]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
I believe some of these Oxnard Trolls from The NSA may very well be here on this forum as well. They could have slipped through the cracks and set up camp. Maybe the Admins could check this site for Oxnard Trolls from their Ip address. Especially the troublemakers on the forum.

I will just repeat what i said here. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...533#post448533

I dare say that people are planted into certain forums to disrupt the flow of sharing and learning from each other. Not just here. Utube is totally inflitrated by them. Kerry is going through this kind of attack on utube at this moment. But to discern who is being just downright negative because they know no other way to communicate and who is being planted to disrupt the flow is difficult.
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And looking over some of new nagative/attack threads posted recently here on Avalon it feels to me that a cleansing process is setting itself up and coming into play.

peace

[mountain_jim]

This very thing is what the 'former white-hat' blog is doing to Bill, Kerry, Wilcock, and many other alternative community contributors.

Duncan called him out by name, said something about CIA-related as I recall, but their mafia-selves are too busy smuggling drugs and threatening and killing folks, I suspect... the dis-info divide-and-conquer does seem so much more up the NSA's alley.

I created a thread about the Wired article about the NSA's new data-center in Utah and how they work to collect and index every post and email and internet search and phone call and biz record of every citizen in the US, and continue to beef up their code-breaking muscle to decrypt everthing, but nobody had any comments here about that.

[Kimberley]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
I created a thread about the Wired article about the NSA's new data-center in Utah and how they collect and index every post and email and phone call and biz record of every citizen in the US, and continue to beef up their code-breaking muscle to decrypt everthing, but nobody had any comments here about that.

Jim are you talking about this below? whether or not who ever posted what is below, thanks...

The Feds have been forced to release their social network monitoring manual, which contains the list of words the government watches on social media and news sites.

Earlier the Huffington Post reported on the Feds have been forced to give up their list of words they monitor on Facebook, Twitter, and comments being posted on news articles so I compiled that list below.

On pages 20-23, in the link below, is a list of words that the authorities are extremely interested in.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/82701103/A...inder-REDACTED

[InCiDeR]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
I believe some of these Oxnard Trolls from The NSA may very well be here on this forum as well. They could have slipped through the cracks and set up camp. Maybe the Admins could check this site for Oxnard Trolls from their Ip address. Especially the troublemakers on the forum.

Thank you GlassSteagallfan for this thread, it is highly interesting and important in my point of view.

WhiteFeather, I am with you on this suggestion... however I still have some questions that I have to figure out:

1. NSA are not retards. If they would like to create chaos in a forum or discredit anyone in the alternative media... they would probably not use same IP-range. It is to obvious.

2. IF they used same IP-range to discredit alternative media, they probably did it deliberately... the question that follows are WHY? Why did they want us to know they were behind it? To spread fear?

Hmmmm... I have to contemplate a bit about this questions still!

[Selene]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
I believe some of these Oxnard Trolls from The NSA may very well be here on this forum as well. They could have slipped through the cracks and set up camp. Maybe the Admins could check this site for Oxnard Trolls from their Ip address. Especially the troublemakers on the forum.

I would say that it’s an absolute certainty that they are here – and in significant numbers. They simply cannot afford not to be here, since we are becoming larger and more influential as a group. Not all of them are obvious: some of them are embedded as sleepers to emerge as necessary, some of them are busy making friends and awaiting their next move, etc. But they’re here, for sure.

They tried to break us up with “Charles/Atticus”, and failed. They’ve tried other feints that haven’t had the desired results. But that doesn’t mean they’ve given up trying by any means. There will be more.

The relatively high level of both intelligence and spiritual evolution of the members here makes this task more difficult, of course. As a group, we are – on the whole – probably more emotionally mature and psychologically well-balanced than the general population. Yes, I think so.

But it doesn’t mean that we are immune from reacting stupidly to the “proper” stimulus. It only means they have to invest more energy in finding out what stimulus that is. They’ve got to put a smarter and more subtle group of trolls on our case.

Which is why, if I may say so, many members have been wisely cautioning against blind gullibility for accepting or promulgating supposed ET’s making wild, unproven channeled claims, etc. The NSA is perfectly well aware that some here may be more willing to believe these channeled claims than to accept an actual human’s credible whistleblowing testimony. They understand our psychology, our emotional weaknesses, our human vulnerabilities. It’s. their. job.

Per the agents provocateur tactics identified in the OP, it is good advice for all of us to check out perceived insults or dissing with the supposed originator personally before reacting in anger or disgust. They know that if they fling enough mud, some of it will stick.

Stop and think: Am I being set up here? before reacting in kind to another poster’s comments. Yes, they may be asking an honest question or making a fair comment without any other agenda.

Either way: Chill, first. If the comment stings, consider perhaps that it may have an element of honest truth. Or someone may be deliberately goading us. Either way, we have nothing to lose by cooling off before responding.

Cheers,

Selene

[sunnyrap]

Well, you have to expect this kind of news to muffle online communication, but, I tell people outside the blog about it all the time, and have conversely heard others bring it up as well--e.g., heard just yesterday: '...you know THEY listen to and read all our communications, don't you?' Especially with the NDAA etc...

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
This very thing is what the 'former what-hat' blog is doing to Bill, Kerry, Wilcock, and many other alternative community contributors.

Duncan called him out by name, said something about CIA related as I recall, but their mafia-selves are too busy smuggling drugs and threatening and killing folks, I suspect... the disinfo divide-and-conquer does seem so much more up the NSA's alley.

I created a thread about the Wired article about the NSA's new data-center in Utah and how they collect and index every post and email and phone call and biz record of every citizen in the US, and continue to beef up their code-breaking muscle to decrypt everthing, but nobody had any comments here about that.

[CD7]

YES to me this seems very obvious....Abracadabra Welcome to our WORLD!!...these tactics have been happening since the dawn of time!!! STOP !IN THE NAME OF LOVE...before u....

[sunnyrap]

marshal artists are the first to point out that an attacker-initiator immediately loses tactical advantage in any apparent conflict; also, the way of avoiding taking damage from a thrust is to flow with it letting it pass rather than trying to meet/stop it. Proper response is to simply move aside or apply leverage at the right point so that the attacker's own energy causes their downfall...not yours.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Kimberley (here)

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
I created a thread about the Wired article about the NSA's new data-center in Utah and how they collect and index every post and email and phone call and biz record of every citizen in the US, and continue to beef up their code-breaking muscle to decrypt everthing, but nobody had any comments here about that.

Jim are you talking about this below? whether or not who ever posted what is below, thanks...

The Feds have been forced to release their social network monitoring manual, which contains the list of words the government watches on social media and news sites.

Earlier the Huffington Post reported on the Feds have been forced to give up their list of words they monitor on Facebook, Twitter, and comments being posted on news articles so I compiled that list below.

On pages 20-23, in the link below, is a list of words that the authorities are extremely interested in.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/82701103/A...inder-REDACTED

I was referring to this post/thread :

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-on-NSA-Center

[Taurean]

It wouldn't surprise me if these morons are responsible for all the junk/spam email that proliferates every inbox.

It's all designed to irritate and annoy.

[TargeT]

Posted by Selene (here)
They tried to break us up with “Charles/Atticus”, and failed.

"You" tried to break "your" self up with that...

really, if you FEEL anything about a topic analyse that, because EMOTION and FEELING has nothing to do with facts or reality. I find that particular subject very interesting as I have explored it and found nothing but miscommunication, ego & rank paranoia at fault.. I think there is some PTSD involved as well, obviously the "issue" hasn't been proccessed fully by some.

[highlyter]

They don't just see US coming, they know WE have arrived. Thank you, trolls, for the repeated comfirmation TPTW feel us. We know they hear the song and the lady, she is bodacious!~

[jjjones]

obvious is the way to not obvious! in plain sight is an operational m.o. never take anything for granted and on assumptions. namaste, love and peace universally

[mosquito]

I agree that it would be nice to get rid of these people, assuming they are in fact here, but it remains an assumption. Some things to bear in mind.....

1) Some people are assuming that Avalon has been infiltrated, could this just be a typical egotistic resonse, in order to bolster our self-importance ? as in - "we are so important, so powerful, destined to change the world that the government simply must have infiltrated our ranks".

2) Therefore, acting without first of all establishing the facts would merely lead to a witch-hunt, and if you care to look at any of the witch-hunts in history (including those in process right now) you can see that at some point, they all had a moral justification of sorts (not MY morals by the way), but soon take on their own momentum, becoming causes in their own right, and as they become more and more ferocious, the goal posts are eventually moved in order to cast a wider net.

3) While having no respect for the "intelligence" of the people who work in these agencies, I think it's fair to say they are not total morons. By opening a post saying "look out for Oxnard IP addresses", you have effectively alerted "them" (if they are here) to the fact you know how to spot them. So what do you think they're doing right now ? Running around in circles like headless chickens saying "oh my God, oh my God, we've been discovered, what are we going to do ??!!" ? Unlikely, all they have to do is change their IP addresses !

The best course of action is to bide our time, and if anyone should again become privy to the technical means by which infiltrators can be spotted, they should notify the administrators via PM, not emblazon it across the whole forum. But that isn't meant as a criticism of the OP, I hope it isn't taken that way.